The only discernable difference was when they weren't plugged in. Ergo: irrelevant.
@Wonderlust694202 жыл бұрын
Kinda dug the bolt on more. It’s subtle differences, but the bolt on seemed to “sing” a bit more, especially in the mids, where the neck was a bit thicker in the low mids.
@tommysedin2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ola, are the any retailers for Solar Guitars near Gothenburg? Homepage just says "under construction" for Dealers..
@ikestoddard24582 жыл бұрын
GOOD REVIEW!!!!! First time I have seen this topic covered!
@Raspyist2 жыл бұрын
This was a good comparison between dot inlays and no dot inlays. I was surprised by how much of a difference having dot inlays made. I personally prefer blocks as there is more inlay and therefor much more tone.
@AtTheSourceStudios2 жыл бұрын
OH SHIT 😳AWWW NOOOOOOOOOO IT'S ALL RUINED NOW!!!!!!! 😬😬😬😓😓😓😓😥😢😰😨
@ConspiracyRangr2 жыл бұрын
Somebody had to do it! 🤣🤣🤣
@abunai.j2 жыл бұрын
legend
@russellzauner2 жыл бұрын
that's why they call them tone blocks.
@jephjacques2 жыл бұрын
I hate how luminlays sound, I much prefer mother of pearl for that vintage tone
@Desu-Desu-Chan-San2 жыл бұрын
Main thing for me between the two is the neck joint, I do not like the jump between the neck and the body that most bolts have. I personally enjoy the feel of a neck through's transtion.
@deadheadcentral25142 жыл бұрын
Could agree more! I loved my Jaguar, but the neck joint was rough
@MatthewTaheri2 жыл бұрын
Man. I've been waiting on a true comparison like this for...forever. Took a metalhead who also owns a guitar brand to finally make it happen! Thanks Ola!
@aniquinstark43472 жыл бұрын
The acoustic test was drastically different. Neck through sounded fuller. Didn't notice anything significantly different when plugged in though.
@michelbr13892 жыл бұрын
I found my comment. 🤝
@redlkb2 жыл бұрын
Acoustic test for electric guitar is absolutely meaningless.
@leoneddy14922 жыл бұрын
I thought the same
@michaeleaster18152 жыл бұрын
I agree though I would say acoustic was "noticeably different", which is amazing given compression over the internet, laptop speakers, etc. I generally think tone demos are bogus on YT.. gotta be in the room
@petelcguitar2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@AlexAlexandrov2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ola, unfortunately the neck through guitar had more inlays than the bolt on guitar, which renders your test completely invalid. Naturally the extra plastic will dramatically decrease the astral projection of the tonewood's chakra, which will then resonate at a different karmic frequency, thus inhibiting sustain. Nice try though
@gonza.shreds2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what if he tuned guitars to 432 hz.
@chadpace62912 жыл бұрын
😆
@serpentsbane91662 жыл бұрын
@@gonza.shreds Can't help you there, but I tune exclusively to 428 Hz. and it sounds great! \m/
@indinisbet2 жыл бұрын
Everything about this comment made me angry, so job well done Sir or Madame :D
@anthonyb52792 жыл бұрын
@@gonza.shreds I once beat the shit out of a hippi in Maui for trying to tune my guitar to 432 bullshit. The idiot actually came up to me and asked what was wrong with my guitar he could not retune it. He thought it was possessed. He didn't know what a locking nut was... "GIVE ME THAT" [SMASH!!] "don't touch other peoples instruments without permission asshole."
@AustinTheDeathMetalUnicorn2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts on the sounds: Acoustically: hard to deny there's a significant difference with bolt in having more high end/less bass Clean amp: audible difference in the same regard, but not enough to matter too much imo High gain: no noticeable difference Disclaimer: I listened on phone speakers, so that could have an effect on this.
@alexosborne36422 жыл бұрын
let's be honest, the majority of people are listening to music through tiny speakers lol
@AustinTheDeathMetalUnicorn2 жыл бұрын
@@alexosborne3642 lel yeah
@t3hgir2 жыл бұрын
@@alexosborne3642 many such cases! Sad!
@BM55562 жыл бұрын
@@alexosborne3642 big shame
@chaptermasterpedrokantor16232 жыл бұрын
@@alexosborne3642 let's be honest, the majority of people are listening with their eyes and preconceived bias.
@royzero1485 Жыл бұрын
The sustain part makes sense to me. If more vibration is allowed to travel into the body in a neck-thru, that will draw more energy away from the strings and decrease sustain. As a bass player I'm familiar with how high-mass bridges increase sustain by PREVENTING the transfer of string energy to the body.
@Mrdude3010 ай бұрын
I allways tought neck thru made more sustain. My schecter has neck thru with really good sustain and my stratocasteren sustain sucks, all the vibration gets lost in the little semi floating bridge bridge
Is great to find someone that notices this important physics phenomenon, has to be bass players 🍻, is also more noticeable on bass due to stronger vibrations, is kot about which one is the best, is how work on the particular instrument construction
@koenstrobbe81015 ай бұрын
Nonsense. A high-mass bridge will actually transfer more energy to the body than a low mass one. What determines sustain is how the components work together and whether or not one or more will dampen the response in that frequency range. Every material has a different frequency response.
@fezmey61172 жыл бұрын
I am glad to see someone finally do a comparison with guitars that are identical except the neck joint. I have seen several videos like this before where they use 3 different brands (usually Fender for bolt on, Gibson for set neck, and usually B.C. Rich or ESP for neck thru), and that can't really be used as a comparison of the neck joints as much as the companies. It was also good to see that the bolt on sustained longer than the neck thru. A proper bolt on design will sustain longer as the bolts/screws will pull the neck into the pocket tighter than glue or the natural wood binds to itself. This was something I first heard from Neal Moser, and at first I wanted to call BS. When he explained it, it made sense. I actually took the only bolt on guitar I had at the time apart at the next string change, I noticed the bolts were gripping into the holes in the body and neck, instead of just the neck. I then drilled out the holes in the body to let the bolts slide through. I restrung the guitar with the bolts only gripping into the neck wood and not the body, and HOLY CRAP! It was a huge improvement in the sustain having the neck pulled tighter into the neck pocket. I have since checked to make sure on each of my bolt on neck guitars that the screws can slide through the body instead of biting into the body wood. I am having a hard time wanting to go back to neck thru guitars anymore.
@koenstrobbe81015 ай бұрын
Sorry but that is nonsense.. I own 30+ guitars and been playing guitar for decades. While what you said is true, that if the bolts grip the body (which they should never do anyway) it affects the body/neck joint, there is no way that a proper bolt on will sustain longer than the other by design.
@NeoCat19932 жыл бұрын
As I've also watched Jim Lill's videos recently, this is about what I expected. Side note for the sustain test 6:46 - notice how the amplitude of the bolt on is slightly bigger at the start, but the decay of both guitars is very similar. So If you had picked with the same force, they would be much closer in sustain. Good video! If I didn't build my own guitars, I'd get a Solar 😂
@athmaid2 жыл бұрын
Yeah ignoring that amplitude difference is pretty misleading imho, albeit I doubt it was on purpose
@bevo652 жыл бұрын
+1. Noticed the same thing right off the bat. It'd be interesting to see how much of a difference there'd be if the levels were normalized somehow.
@IanMainBliss2 жыл бұрын
I noticed this too. Could be picking, could also be tolerances in pickups. I don't think they're going to be exactly identical..
@Rolli66692 жыл бұрын
Honestly don't know if it's just me and with what I am saying all variables are in play but I find my bolt on neck guitars sound louder than my neck throughs. But everything is variable in this opinion which is why I have never put any validity to the statement. But maybe just maybe there is something here. If only Ola could do the test with something that picks exactly the same every time.
@bevo652 жыл бұрын
@@Rolli6669 You raise a valid point.
@francescobarbaro71142 жыл бұрын
One thing we can agree they have in common is that they're both visually phenomenal!!!! 🤩🤤
@RockMattStar12 жыл бұрын
It's interesting the difference between the basic sounds however like ola says at the end.. You'll probably tweak your amp settings to adjust out most of the tonal difference anyway.
@MichaelScottGuitar2 жыл бұрын
I feel I have a unique "go to" tone that I will try to dial in no matter the guitar. So I would say it does not matter if it is bolted or through, it depends on what one likes.
@patrickwardein33002 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that the bolt on neck sustained longer. The neck thru had more depth. Both are sick guitars! Thanks Ola!
@BeardyGit892 жыл бұрын
Tbf it looked like the bolt-on one was hit harder so not sure how accurate that is.
@Xyphelmuetz2 жыл бұрын
@@BeardyGit89 you are right. If you compare those amplitudes (by overlaying) you'll see that the signal of the neck-thru is about 20% lower than the one of the bolt on. this may be due to different input/output levels (for whatever reason) or the different strength when hitting the string...or different zoom level of the tracks
@mrcoatsworth4292 жыл бұрын
@@BeardyGit89 Yes. It's also probable that both guitars weren't set up exactly the same. If one of them has a slightly higher action, or the pickup is slightly lower or higher, that'll influence the whole experiment.
@patrickwardein33002 жыл бұрын
Yes i did notice that his attack was a bit different at times, also the 2nd chug a chug on the bolt on was a slower temp. At least it seemed to be. But hey that what these comparisons are for to get people discussing them.
@TheGilmourJones2 жыл бұрын
There have been many studies between bolt on vs set vs neck through, and it’s hard to deny that the results on sustain are always the same. Bolt on wins in that department.
@blackdrop38442 жыл бұрын
Ola you always stay so positive in these sh*tty times ..whenever i feel down i just watch your videos and you lift my spirit up . you are awesome !
@Communism.is.a.cancer2 жыл бұрын
Why are these times shitty?
@fim1344 Жыл бұрын
@@Communism.is.a.cancer Joe Biden
@Communism.is.a.cancer Жыл бұрын
@@fim1344 😂 you're right on that one.
@robertdonosobuchner31292 жыл бұрын
For me it was really surprising that the bolt on neck has more output and sustain! Great comparison! But as you said, it depends on the taste of the guitarists what you choose and why. Both guitars have their own character.
@conrauxyann53982 жыл бұрын
I prefer neck-thru for cleans, bolt-on for distortion, and I like both for solos ;-) ! However, there are much more difference between different pickups than between two neck constructions for a same guitar, so...
@griiseknoen2 жыл бұрын
Funny that. I'm the exact opposite! 😀 To reach his own, I guess...
@realtruenorth2 жыл бұрын
My ESP neck through puts all my other guitars to shame in the sustain/resonance dept.
@thadsiphone2 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best comparison between neck through and bolt on guitars! Thanks a TON for this video! :)
@moskitoh26512 жыл бұрын
There is a nice germen phd thesis about the physics of the electronic guitar, which shows, where the sound comes from: 1. Strings 2. Pickups 3. String height over Pickup 4. Electronics (incl. cable in case of passive PUs) 5. Bridge and saddle need to work fine And everything else, if there are no general mistakes, is not really worth mentioning. Tonewood, shape, ... forget it! Buy what has best playability for you. Thus if you want to adjust the sound: 1. Change the string height 2. Introduce capacitors in electronic (passive) 3. Change strings 4. Only if all of the above does not help, change the pickups Now feel free to kill me... :D
@maxwellblakely79522 жыл бұрын
I agree. “Tone wood” has very little to no impact on the overall sound of an electric guitar.
@alexisjordan33032 жыл бұрын
Picks have a massive effect on tone.
@maxsignori3162 жыл бұрын
@@alexisjordan3303 yep, especially their distance from the strings (always try this before replacing them). And if they have adjustable pole pieces, their setting has a big impact as well
@ignacioibanez61382 жыл бұрын
Can you show where I can find this german whatever… Things are simple, you don’t need a PhD, only elementary school physics to understand, but there may not be different for tone deaf people, as there people with absolute ear,there people who don’t discern nuances like dynamics, then: the bridge and the nut are attached to a body that absorb and resonate with the vibration of the strings according to the density of the wood, could be same wood species but with different density, so it will have an effect on the sound as this “standing waves” or the energy that moves the body came back to the strings and interact, the attack of the note is the most notable, hence people mention the “snap”, that the attack, then the sustain could be spected to be actually less ( as shown in the video) on a neck through cuz there way more absorption of the body, while many people just “think” it will be more, is the opposite. I’m an audio engineer, electronic developer (audio processors) and a musician with profesional degrees on this fields, but I notice the difference since I start to play electric instruments.
@moskitoh26512 жыл бұрын
@@ignacioibanez6138 "Physik der Elektrogitarre" [Manfred Zollner, 2016]... hope you understand german? It is full of theoretics as well as experiments and fun to read! It is really not so hard to understand (well I studied physics, so maybe not for all people). You can even download sound samples with different materials and body sizes. If you really think the body is important, you can check for a video, where at the end the guy removed the body completely... and still the sound doesn't seem to change. The reason behind is, that in contrast to an acoustic guitar, the full body electronic guitar does NOT resonate an therefore also not absorb much (just very little). You can use metall or plastics or ... The interesting thing is, that the people working with guitars for the longest time, trust a lot of myths the most. Seems like repetition does cause trust... Absolute ear means by the way, that someone can hear the absolute frequency of one tone, not just the intervall between two tones. That doesn't help here at all. 😉
@AlefSousa0172 жыл бұрын
Ola forgot to mention the MAIN difference between these guitars other than the neck construction: THE FRET INLAYS! We all know that the difference in tone comes from the guitar having fret inlays or not, obviously! Jokes aside, when they were unplugged, the difference between them was clear, the bolt-on definitely was snappier than the neck through, but, as soon as they're amplified, these differences in tone get thrown out of the window and the pickups define 99,99% of the tone. I personally prefer neck through designs not because of the "longer sustain" or anything like that, but for the fret access at the upper frets. I hate feeling that bump or bulge when playing at these higher frets, even with great constructed bolt-on guitars like Ola showed in this video, I still prefer the "free access" that neck through designs offer. Great video, Ola! Thanks for making this one!
@badrogersgr2 жыл бұрын
Based exclusively on the unplugged test, I think it makes sense to have neck-thru basses and bolt-on guitars in studio.
@crovaxthelich2 жыл бұрын
I think the Floyd plays a big role here in sustain. It would be interesting to see a sustain test on string-through body guitars. Maybe the neck-through can push sustain a bit more? In my opinion, if parts are well built together or glued together, the differences would be a minor concern, especially with high output pickups.
@doedesjel2 жыл бұрын
It might be very interesting to do the same comparison with evertune equipped guitars though 😋
@RyoCanCan Жыл бұрын
Not really. The sustain is more about string pull from pickups and steady picking, not bridges.
@michaelray50232 жыл бұрын
I prefer bolt ons for 3 things: 1) Sustain 2) Tighter chugs 3) Bright tone ** You need a beefy pickup in the bridge to balance out the tone though. Dimarzios do very well with bolt on construction.
@DaveAtonal2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for shooting out this video, it was a myth buster for me. Now I don't feel so bad about having only bolt on guitars LoL 🤘🤘🤘
@thirteenthandy2 жыл бұрын
I was the same neck-thru elitist for almost my whole life, until a year ago when I picked up a used bolt-on Kiesel Aries. That thing was just plain fun to play. It had something special going on. That was amplified when I received my new neck-thru Aries and found that it was missing something that the bolt-on had. Very surprising. But still... I sold the bolt-on and kept the neck-thru, so take that for what it's worth.
@canman872 жыл бұрын
I haven't used a bolt-on since my first squire strat almost 20 years ago; I've been neck-thru ever since. For me, it's more about the feeling of the neck than it is the tone. Maybe I've only ever played lower quality bolt-ons, but I've always felt more restricted on accessing the higher frets than on any neck-thru I've ever tried. Tonally, I've never noticed much of a difference that could be attributed to that particular feature of a given guitar. I watched this on my phone and will need to watch it again on my computer later on for a more accurate audio experience, but I didn't notice too much of a difference between the two on this particular viewing. Maybe a tiny bit more brightness or treble on behalf of the bolt-on, but likely something that would be rolled off during mixing anyway.
@HCkev2 жыл бұрын
To me, neck-thru VS bolt-on is more a matter of comfort and whether you want to be able to replace the neck easily or not. I've got a Schecter with what they call "ultra access" set-neck, basically, they managed to shave the wood so the access is very similar to a neck-thru, in fact, you could mistake it for a neck-thru at first glance with the way they finished it
@scotticidal2 жыл бұрын
I just appreciate the fact that you used the SAME riff when comparing the two.
@anthonydevito12982 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was surprised how much of a difference there was. I agree with most, bolt-on is snappier, tighter. Neck through is thick, maybe more balanced tonally... Preferred the chug on the neck-through, god that shit was phat. The biggest thing is that it seems clear that the acoustic characteristics make it through the pickups and out the amp intact to some degree. That is huge! Well done Ola! Also I agree with that other guy, probably was the TONE INLAYS lol /s
@user-lx7kl4sp2y2 жыл бұрын
This is perfectly in line with my personal experience....it really doesnt matter enough to be a significant factor.
@Leo_ofRedKeep2 жыл бұрын
That's the big point about all these tiny differences people fantasise about and buy for ridiculous prices from smarter salesmen.
@helderlouro2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm not a guitar player but I always wondered about the differences.
@srbaran6 ай бұрын
I just love the way neck through construction looks.
@davidcampbellii63422 жыл бұрын
Incredible comparison, both guitars sound phenomenal. Thanks for providing the information.
@jonas36102 жыл бұрын
The neckthrough tone sounded like what I imagine the bolt on would be with the pickup closer to the neck. Comparing them with the neck pickup instead of the bridge pickup would be interesting!
@Undercoverfire2 жыл бұрын
The difference in tone and sustain between these two guitars is well within the amount of variation you can hear between two completely identical guitars from the same factory made on the same day.
@juancarlossuarez74862 жыл бұрын
True, the slight variation in tone could as well be due to a difference in density from one lump of wood to the next
@TheSturling2 жыл бұрын
4:01 the fact he included his heavy breathing shows he thinks of you. All praise ye ole Ola
@koenstrobbe81015 ай бұрын
The main difference in my experience is that a neck-through has a more even response across the neck. A bolt-on is more prone to loud/weak spots in different register. This is best heard if you play chord progressions up and down the neck. But yea there are a lot of variables, doesnt mean one is better than the other. Personally I prefer neck-through, especially reinforced ones, most stable guitars I have played (I own 30+ guitars in all variations of construction).
@daneues942 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed the feel in hand is the biggest difference between the set neck, neckthru and Bolton designs more than the sound. I prefer Bolton since you can swap the necks (repair, replace or even upgrades)
@petermuller1612 жыл бұрын
I like this construction method because it uses less fine lumber. It’s better for trees
@klap002 жыл бұрын
*Michael Bolton noises*
@daneues942 жыл бұрын
@@klap00 sometimes you gotta let autocorrect do its thing
@RacerX8882 жыл бұрын
Agree, not to mention I have had lots less problems with weather/humidity affecting the neck with bolt on than neck thru or set neck guitars. Sold all my set neck guitars because of that.
@pmenzel862 жыл бұрын
The only reason to go to Bolton is to use the park and ride services into Manchester
@MarkLumsley2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say that acoustically the bolt-on sounded brighter but then it actually may be just lacking the 'fullness' that the neck-thru has. An interesting comparison! :D
@TheSadistNat1on2 жыл бұрын
oo ya..that makes sense..ive owned a good amount of guitars and the jeff loomis signature rang SO hard for me..and ive had others upon others..id say neck thru truly sounds better but idk..havent had too many bolt ons..
@crate718 Жыл бұрын
good now I feel good having bolt on guitars. thank you Ola
@dimitridieleman20172 жыл бұрын
i am impressed by your seriousness in this video , bolt on has been my choice for 20+ years.
@Kevin.Kelly.2 жыл бұрын
The bolt-on seems a little thinner and quicker in all regards.. even acoustically. I prefer the neck-thru.
@attempt582 жыл бұрын
Same
@preston26362 жыл бұрын
I like the thin sound. I run an 80 gauge string tuned to drop f/drop e. I avoid bolt ONS and mohagony bodies for these tunings. Thin sounding tonewood on a guitar means jack didly shit when you use bridge cables for strings like a real man.
@preston26362 жыл бұрын
I also prefer a thinner and more treble focused wood choice for guitars for playing live as well. You'll never cut through the mix using a mohagony on mohagony body neck setup scooping your mids but fuck people just love to do that. Idk why.
@maurogerth72272 жыл бұрын
I felt the same fullness on the neck thru but I also think that all that extra fullness will be cut in a mix/master process in favour to a less muddy sound, at least in a heavy mix
@krabuh2 жыл бұрын
@@preston2636 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
@haydenkinley52662 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, neck construction doesn't really matter one way or the other in the grand scheme of things. Sonical difference is there, sure, I can hear something, but it's negligible, I think, comfort of use and aesthethics are more important here, it's purely preferential. I personally prefer neck-through or deep set neck at least, and built for speed in general, it's the most comfortable option and looks the best in my opinion.
@Kylora21122 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Outside of the pickups and your tone circuit, any tonal difference (outside of incredibly clean jazz stuff) on an amplified electric guitar can be dialed in with tiny tweaks to your EQ.
@jesseanderson9912 жыл бұрын
Things I didn't expect to see today: Ola playing clean 3 chord pop progressions
@Tessmage_Tessera2 жыл бұрын
Eddie Van Halen, Yngwie Malmsteen, Jimi Hendrix, Richie Blackmore, David Gilmour, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Beck, etc. always played bolt-on necks.
@Ninjametal2 жыл бұрын
Primary guitars, I'll agree with. Always? Not even close. Hendrix played a V, an SG, and a Les Paul on occasion. Blackmore had a 335 he used early on. Jeff Beck had a notable Les Paul phase in the 70s... EVH and SRV utilized a 335 also. For Stevie, jazzy purposes, and the 335 EVH had inspired him so much, he put its humbucker in his first Frankenstrat. Gilmour used a P90 equipped Les Paul on "Brick in the Wall Part 2" solo, and many other gems.... I've seen Yngwie shred on a 59 Les Paul also... I love my bolt on guitars, though; Let me just say that, okay?
@Tessmage_Tessera2 жыл бұрын
@@Ninjametal Let's not be anal. You know what I meant.
@rebel2007942 жыл бұрын
The bolt on consistently has less "thumpy" low end than the neck through. Very slightly different pick attack also. But on the whole not a huge difference, and for the metal chug I actually preferred the less low-end for the bolt on.
@ConspiracyRangr2 жыл бұрын
I agree, but I also feel like it’s easier to dial in more highs on my amp than it is to get the lower end dialed in, so for me on my EVH 5150 iii, I can honk the neck-thru is better. Once you start cranking up the lows on the amp, you tend to get more muddy imo. Highs and miss dial in much easier for me at least… So dialing in the chug is simple, while getting a good rich one with crisp clean “tonely” (🤣) bass is a little tougher. Subjective obviously though
@PrisonerInGlass2 жыл бұрын
Pick attack is in the hands of the player, not the guitar.
@rebel2007942 жыл бұрын
@@PrisonerInGlass While the initial sound of the "pick attack" is of course caused by the players hand, how the guitar translates that sound is dependent on how the guitar resonates. So yes the guitar does (in at least a small way) affect the sound.
@klap002 жыл бұрын
The material of the guitar or how the wood is attatched makes no differnece to the electric sound. Everything electrical influences the sound of an electric guitar. Nothing else. The body is for show.
@rebel2007942 жыл бұрын
@@klap00 Did you not watch the video and hear the difference in the sound?
@Sailor_Man_Music2 жыл бұрын
My favorite was the bolt on as far as tone. I’m going to get a solar next year. I have it picked out already.
@fallenshallrise2 жыл бұрын
It kind of goes against what we've been taught but for the tone of the guitar the pickup height is a variable that you can easily adjust. Record the same riff 4 or 5 times with different pickup heights, listen back and find your favourite. For the sustain of the guitar on a fretted note your set-up and technique has the biggest impact. And on electric with a good vibrato and some volume you can basically achieve infinite sustain anyway.
@nicfrost32172 жыл бұрын
The differences were noticable occasionally, but so subtle you could make them indistinguishable with a slight EQ move
@NickWebbSax2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised at how much difference I could hear between the two when really concentrating on the sound. I think I preferred the neck through tones, especially for clean. Felt like it had more body to the sound.
@H82BUagain2 жыл бұрын
Did you not see the guy who mimicked scale length and electronics and used no neck or body, wood means nothing, I am not sure that it matters what unplugged electric sounds like!
@gonza.shreds2 жыл бұрын
I thought exactly the same. Neck thru rules!
@vocnys2 жыл бұрын
Ironically it has less body and more neck :D
@gonza.shreds2 жыл бұрын
@@H82BUagain You're wrong dude. Gibsons SG and Les Paul have the same scale length, same pickups, same bridge, nut and tuners, and they sound completely different....
@NickWebbSax2 жыл бұрын
@@H82BUagain I saw the video. I could still hear the differences in this video between the two guitars. Less so on high gain, but there was still a definite change in sound here.
@philjy16832 жыл бұрын
I liked the fuller sound of the neck through on clean. Otherwise it's a wash. But your test also confirms what I read about the sustain being greater with a bolt-on which is surprising! It is what it is.
@mauriciogago44652 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the difference is pretty minimal, this test would have to be performed with several guitars to prove whether it's the neck joint or lack thereof that affects the sustain, or just the general construction of each individual guitar, there's too many variables to decide with just one tests, especially with such a small difference. But in the end, pick-ups, pedals and amps are probably the bigger variable.
@OzzyInYourEars2 жыл бұрын
@@mauriciogago4465 you would also have to pick a good amount of times to minimize the impact of a different pick strength in a single comparison
@theaudiorampage2 жыл бұрын
@@OzzyInYourEars Thats what it looked like to me. The bolt on looked like it had a higher pick attack based on the waveform.
@user-rx3ww7nt2s2 ай бұрын
I found the neck through very smooth and natural while the bolt on was a little tinny and harsh. Excellent video. Thanks.
@ignacioibanez61386 ай бұрын
Great comparison, neck trough sound more compressed and tighter sounding and have less sustain due to more absorption of the body dissipating the string vibration faster, bolt on have quicker attack with longer sustain and chimier tome due to the different absorption body-neck, it absorbs less the higher frequencies that are the smaller length one and don’t let the lower frequencies de phased as much and allow better voicing of the instrument using different woods for the body and neck, great video comparison
@bidenthenewfallguy54012 жыл бұрын
they both sounded good but there was a difference. the neck through seemed to have more bottom end and the bolt on seemed more mid-ranged but more fine tuned clarity.
@AleArzMusic2 жыл бұрын
I think neck thru guitars have a different transient for each fretted note, compared to a bolt on. It's like neck thru has a full warm tone that just decays evenly, while a bolt on has a more fast attack, fast decay but the resonances keep staying for a bit more time
@heikosinus2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't expecting THAT difference... really impressive! Thank you so much for this
@heikkipt6 күн бұрын
I prefer neck through because it just feels incredibly good and looks nice. Thanks for the comparison 🤘🏻 Tack so mycket gamla gubbe 🎸
@ConspiracyRangr2 жыл бұрын
Neck Through all the way! That’s why I ordered the S 1.7 APP - because of the fishmans, evertune and neck through. Should arrive tomorrow finally! 🤘🏻🔥 The bolt on may be a little better in the chug but not much, and acoustically and cleanly the neck- through is way better sounding imo. Def subjective though. I’m shocked about the sustain honestly
@ahnomileeus-14282 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Clean and acoustic : neck-thru easily. Otherwise, bolt-on is as good if not slightly better when distorted, depending on taste.
@EsaValkama2 жыл бұрын
If Ola did 10 tests and took the average sustain for both, the result might be different. The sound wave from the neck-thru looks to me a bit smaller than the one from the bolt-on, even right on the attack, which would imply that Ola hit the string slightly harder on the bolt-on, which might explain the sustain difference. Personally I still think that neck-thrus have better sustain.
@eliasaltman44392 жыл бұрын
Clean there is a noticeable difference in tone but distorted there is no significant difference. Sure, maybe an ever so slight boost in the low end with the neck through but in a full mix that’d be cut out either way
@DudeMcGuybro2 жыл бұрын
In a full studio mix, yes, in a live situation, no. I think I'd go neck thru for live, because you can't always dial in more bass on an amp without hitting mud, but you can always dial in a but more treble and cut on the high end. I think the overall clarity of the neck thru would provide more benefit live than the extra pick attack, but I think it also depends on your amp and playing style. I think in a studio environment you can use whatever you want, provided you have the ability to dial in what you're using.
@DeathBringer7692 жыл бұрын
I always prefer a good bolt-on to neck-thru. My bolt-on guitars not only feel more comfortable to me (when the neck joint is sculpted decently) but both sound "snappier" and even have more sustain from my personal experience. The whole "neck-thru have more sustain" thing is surprisingly not usually true, again, in my own personal experience. Also, with bolt-on you get the very nice option of being able to repair or replace a neck, or even shim it if you're not happy with the action (can help even out the action on a guitar where it's too low near the nut but too high at the upper frets near the neck pickup, something you're just screwed with on a neck-thru if it's not built perfectly right from the factory. There's only so much you can do with a truss rod to address that.)
@MountainMetal2 жыл бұрын
I acquired a Warwick Infinity 5 string bass (one of their most expensive top-shelf jobies) with a 7 piece laminated neck-through, and I'm not kidding, all it took was playing one note to notice how rigid the neck was. Worth every penny, and they aren't cheap.
@YellowLightNinja2 жыл бұрын
Honestly for me it's never been a matter of tone, there are so many factors to tone that the construction of it is negligible in most cases. It's entirely a feel thing, I enjoy having the completely unrestricted access of a neck thru. Bolt ons are fine especially good ones like you said, but having absolutely no wood there at the joint just feels (and looks) so nice
@RobKingRC2 жыл бұрын
I like a bolt on for that spank in the riffs but love the sustain in the neck thru for leads.. My main guitar is a neck thru though.
@YTRopp2 ай бұрын
Well done! I had a bolt on bass guitar which I glued tight together. Significant tighter sound and more sustain. Note: it was a 5 string bass guitar
@CharlesBrinkhaus4 ай бұрын
You are a mad scientist Ola. From death metal to phisicist.
@christianfoster38062 жыл бұрын
A fully floating Floyd Rose adds its own over arching effect on a guitars sound. I feel that it might have been more revealing if you had used hard tail guitars for this test. Perhaps you could do a similar shootout with a hard tail and a Floyd guitar that are otherwise identical?
@xNachtmahRx2 жыл бұрын
Neck-through actually sounds quite a bit fuller even distorted. But it's more of a matter of taste since you have bass and treble knobs on your amps anyway
@reynolds0872 жыл бұрын
The acoustic recordings were very different, but I could barely hear a difference in the amplified tones. I think the bolt-on was slightly tighter like you said. I think it was close enough that I would just go with the bolt-on because it's cheaper, and more convenient.
@pmenzel862 жыл бұрын
You summed it up pretty well… there's a difference in sound, but a) it's a matter of preference and b) the more gain you dial in, the less you hear that difference
@robertweatherill91612 жыл бұрын
I could use either really. For me personally, I like neck thru guitars.
@RyanDavidek2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, this is the third test I have seen where bolt-on wins for sustain. I was always told the opposite was true.
@Trottelheimer2 жыл бұрын
The test is now good. There is a level difference that nullifies it. That said, there are factors other than just "neck trough" and "bolt on" that may affect it (wood density and variability, string height, pickup magnet strength etc.).
@thakyou50052 жыл бұрын
Do more comparisons like these, please! I'd like to see a comparison between two similar guitars except different types of pickups for example. Thanks!
@marioduron43762 жыл бұрын
I was impressed with the comparison. Great taste in guitars. The prestige factor can't be overlooked. Studio quality sound and acoustics was important. Plus even technique in the test comparison. Really great tone in the acoustic test, the upper register tone really sing through clear.
@michael45912 жыл бұрын
I think as soon as you plug in, it all comes down to the pickup, bridge and nut. The wood does not matter to your sound when plugged in. Neck through neck heels feel better to me tho
@doedesjel2 жыл бұрын
Oh really..... What do you play, plug ins?? 😂
@TheFinnViking2 жыл бұрын
Feels like that neck thru gives the small tone bonus when playing clean.. But amped up I think the bolt on is more of a "tool for the job", going to be cheaper to buy and easier to repair if needed. And the difference in sound isn't noticeable. Especially live.
@kernelxsanders2 жыл бұрын
Yup, there's just a bunch of elitists out there who love a moot argument lol. The real difference between the two? Neck through is sexier, bolt on is more practical. But even that is still subjective.
@stevederp98019 ай бұрын
One of the absolute best guitars I’ve ever played in my life was a mick thompson neck thru warlock. It had this insane feel to it where it was just so comfortable and quick to play. One of the things I was blown away by was just how heavy it was. I believe it was likely made from old growth forest wood which would have been readily available in the country it was being made in. Those early 2000s guitars were actually incredible because of this. Because of different environmental laws in other countries they were able to get the same wood that would have been used in 60s fenders and Gibson which contributed greatly to their tone. They also were manufactured by people who because of their low cost of labor actually made the guitar more handmade then a lot of American guitars of the time. One of the reasons why a lot of Mexican fenders actually sounded better than American ones for a while was because they could employ 5x as many people from this super low cost of labor. They also moved a lot of their old manufacturing equipment down to Mexico and updated the American factory. Ironically making it so that the Mexican factory was producing guitars that were very similar to the golden era of the company while the American ones were mass produced with labor that made it difficult to have the same quality control while keeping up with production. This is also a huge reason why American and Japanese guitars spiked in price. It’s very difficult to offer an American fender or Gibson for less than $2,000 because the people working in the factory need to earn a living wage. Meaning they basically have to sell 2 guitars for every employee they have every week in order to just pay for their wages. Not including all other costs. There simply isn’t enough demand for this and there’s a lot of completion in the market. I think it’s a shame that the BC rich, Jackson and Ibanez guitars that were made during this period have lost their popularity. They were producing absolutely incredible instruments for amazing prices. I was too young to afford them at the time. But the idea that BC rich was selling a neck thru guitar with EMGs for $400 is crazy. A Kerry king with EMGs, neck thru, Grover tuners and a khaler bridge for only $350? That likely won’t happen again it’s too bad because those guitars were alot of fun to play
@edwinstovall33342 жыл бұрын
Ola, I forgot to thank you for making this video. When I was (a lot) younger, I sometimes thought about the differences between the various neck joints and what they meant to their guitars. I considered what it would take to do the very sort of comparison you did. I thank you for letting us see your version of that comparison!🤘
@efwfew2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it's just a taste/look choice. I've always prefer bolton incase of an accident, or if I need to remove it for travel reasons. Tone... no difference honestly, barely any and there's no way anybody would be able to tell the difference
@GeneOh2 жыл бұрын
I like roasted necks, so basically only bolt on for me. Edit: I live in a high humidity area.
@gonza.shreds2 жыл бұрын
The tone difference is there, even if it is really small, that's a fact showed in this video. Think that nowadays while software emulates amps at 99%, some people still prefer the "organic" response of valvulars. Feeling and response is important for the musician's performance and comfort, and I think that's the actual importance of comparing at this level, but it's a comparison that someone has to do with his hands, not watching a video.
@athmaid2 жыл бұрын
@@gonza.shreds It's not a fact, because his strumming isn't consistent just to name one of many contributing differences. In theory the weight-difference alone might change the outcome. He is using a mahogany body with maple neck, so the neck through will be lighter probably. What if somebody used a heavy wood like wenge for the neck and swampash for the body? That would lead to different results surely. You would have to test all these options in a repeatable manner (say with a servo controlled strumming hand). Also, maybe he has played on one more already so the strings are more used. There are too many factors even though he tried to have as much overlap between these guitars as possible
@gonza.shreds2 жыл бұрын
@@athmaid well if wood weight can affect as you say, surely construction method will do so too. Almost every detail matters. My point is that they sounded different, blame either construction or wood weight.
@efwfew2 жыл бұрын
@@gonza.shreds I mean sure they sounded different, but at the same time it's because we're kinda listening to it closely. I'm sure you could play 2 audio that are actually the same to someone and ask him to tell what the difference is between the two, guarantee most people would find something, even if theres not. In the end I've never heard someone play and thought 'I know this guy is playing a bolt on I can hear it'. Wood tone, string, cable and all the jazz is just one big lie, the only things that really has an impact on your tone when playing in front of people is your pickup, amp and pedal (and the way you play )Maybe pick and strings, but the difference is so small it has barely an impact in my opinion. In your bedroom through headset probably a bigger impact tho
@vidamedelafey56622 жыл бұрын
Bolt on all the way. I make my own guitars and for my neck/body junction I use thread inserts instead of bolt directly on wood. You get better sustain, what people call "thinner" might just cut better in the mix and if you have a big problem with your neck, the repair is way easier. In one of Leo Lospennato guitar building books, he mentions a study proving that bolton has more sustain than set neck (does not mention neck through afair)
@sonicbluestrat9342 жыл бұрын
I build as well I agree. What I think people refer to as snappier is a better handling of the transients. I think that the bolt on is giving you the full spectrum of the not, but the neck through muffles the higher overtones. The reason I prefer that is because you can dampen the high end with the tone knob or the settings.. but you adding the top end usually sounds brittle and noisy. In other words, its better to cut frequencies than it is to add them
@saarangnarayan1232 жыл бұрын
As with all such tests of wood/construction materials affecting tone, I will reiterate my stance: gain is a great equaliser of all differences. The more gain you add, the less differences there are going to be, because gain adds compression and fills out the frequencies that are otherwise not as loud enough. Wood/construction materials definitely affect tone and feel of a guitar, but not so much once you add enough gain. It is therefore safe to conclude that the more gain you add, the more important the latter half of your signal chain becomes (mic, speakers, post-EQ, etc.); and the less gain you have, the more important the earlier half of the signal chain is (hands, pickups, woods, etc.).
@mtempz31652 жыл бұрын
This is the kinda question one would ponder on but can’t find a good video online that has a good comparison
@opablosouza2 жыл бұрын
When they where unplugged, i did prefer the neck through guitar, it sounded better acoustically, but the moment you plugged them in, i immediately noticed how tight the bolt on sounded, and it's now my favorite.
@OgamiItto702 жыл бұрын
Here's my take: The bolt-on had a little of that slightly nasal, tomcat snarly, Eddie Van Halen/George Lynch snotty lead tone and the neck-through didn't. Not that there was that big of a difference, though. If I owned both, I'd use the bolt on for leads and the neck-through for rhythms when recording. Live I don't think it would make much difference. Cool review/comparison/experiment.
@e30325ikiller Жыл бұрын
wow thats a really cool video, never mentioned anyone else doing this, its hell of a difference, i need a neck thru..
@C_Moore2 жыл бұрын
The repair/replaceability is the reason why Leo Fender designed his guitars with bolt on necks. With that said, I've never broken a bolt on neck/headstock (largely due to the lack of headstock tilt which retains more woodgrain strength), but I have broken and received broken, several set neck guitars. I do think that the set neck/neck through guitars do sound much more resonant, but I find bolt on neck guitars to be more dynamic due being less resonant.
@nicholasmullins36932 жыл бұрын
Honestly, any electrified differences could easily be chalked up by tolerances in the pickups. The only way to change that would be by switching the same pickup set between the two, to remove that tolerance difference.
@magicmandan92942 жыл бұрын
I think tone and feel is always going to come down to preference. For me, in this test, I thought the bolt on was too brittle and I preferred the sound of the neck through. But as you said, you can always adjust your sound to accommodate the guitar. It's just another chapter in the long list of never-ending arguments among guitar players.
@Turboy652 жыл бұрын
A good, rational comparison with as much being equal between the two guitars as is practical. Nice to see it. I'm a luthier myself and I appreciate what you have done here. I prefer long tenon set necks and don't care much for bolt-on necks but it's just a preference.
@SicariusIV2 жыл бұрын
For me, I find that neck-thru offers better comfort when reaching higher frets. I mainly play sitting in classical position, and it's just easier to get my thumb behind the frets when I'm up to 17-24 while keeping my hand relaxed and without strain. With bolt-on it's thicker overall so the thumb kind of has to stay back at the joint above where the screws are, and even though I have big hands I struggled to get a comfortable position to reach the E, A and D strings at those higher frets. In the end, it's just personal preference; I'm sure other people are more comfortable with bolt-ons! As for tone, the pickups and what you're plugging into probably have way more impact on it than the type of neck you're using.
@JanPatrick2 жыл бұрын
Now that you allready dinged the guitars, are they gonna be a B-stock? 😁
@outtaroute922 жыл бұрын
I actually think I prefer the bolt on. I thought it consistently sounded brighter and slightly more clear across all tests, but especially in the distorted riffing and soloing. The sustain test honestly surprised me, I've always been convinced that neck through was the king for sustain. Great comparison, honestly a very informative video.
@RyoCanCan Жыл бұрын
This test should be done more empirically imo. A few things to consider if you make another one with all joint types: -The setup should be identical (i.e. action, pickup height) -The picking should be as close as possible (strength of picking, location) -The bridge should be a hardtail, as a floating trem can cause discrepancies due to the floating nature There might be some others, but overall a great vid.
@lacabala312 жыл бұрын
I was so scared when I saw the huge difference in sound unplugged. Then... surprise. I love that videos and would be nice to test inlays like other comments says. :)
@Linkacide2 жыл бұрын
I think Jim Lill nailed this one when he did the “air guitar”, to find tonal difference. There wasn’t one that had anything to do with the body for electric. It was all about the pickup and distance.
@howiezeng77322 жыл бұрын
How tight you screw the bolts also affects the tonality and sustain. I have experimented on this with several bolt-on guitars of mine and am really sure about this.
@lthorsemanship81502 жыл бұрын
Need torque specs lol
@PJBonoVox2 жыл бұрын
Did you use tone-bolts(TM)?
@vladv51262 жыл бұрын
But only if it's american made bolts. Not the cheap chinese ones. Also philips head ones have a brighter sound. Obviously.
@torchlord112 жыл бұрын
@@PJBonoVox Ha, I was going to make this comment earlier but decided to wait. I need some titanium neck screws now. lol
@NorgGrimm2 жыл бұрын
Acoustic: a clear difference. Plugged in, clean: slight difference but can be heard. Heavily distorted chug sound: almost identical, bolt on seems to have a slight advantage of presence but not so much that you couldn't dial that in with an amp's or DAW's EQ.
@MrIbanez872 жыл бұрын
I swear, Jim Lill has rocked the guitar community with his post. Now everybody's re-questioning and investigating what is and isn't true. Its really great.
@stephenpeterson75582 жыл бұрын
to make a true tone comparison you would need to have them both built out of the same slab of wood every tree has its own resonance and its own tone
@arashpanahi36212 жыл бұрын
It's weird, but i feel the neck through one hasa more natural sound while the bolt on is more boxy kind of sound
@YTisGay Жыл бұрын
Same thoughts. Bolt on has less tone, and it's even worse when it's basswood.
@GusAndrade2 жыл бұрын
Damn. I wasn't expecting to hear an actual difference in the guitars when plugged in... Awesome video!