The EFL allowed an owner who didn’t know that Bury was a town and had no proof of funds as well as having no football interest - the EFL should be blamed massively for this
@JamieLandan5 жыл бұрын
The EFL not gonna show you how to run your club, why should they? Fans need to organise and take ownership of their clubs and really stop moaning. You need custodians and board members who care and build foundations. There are well run clubs all over the country. What you see at Bolton is bad management coupled with fan apathy. On and off the pitch.
@swaglad97285 жыл бұрын
Nah it's the fans fault really They should have flat our refused to buy any tickets or merchandise untill the owner walked out If the fans wanted him out They should have paid him nothing
@no.fourteen93165 жыл бұрын
Jam SF My point is whilst Bury and the owner should take the blame as well , the EFL should never had allowed him to take ownership of the club
@calzonie57635 жыл бұрын
swag lad no it’s not the fans fault you clown 😂
@sjewitt225 жыл бұрын
@@ryanedwards805 /it's a lot better than religion, Fotball is real.
@Jsart875 жыл бұрын
I was living in Manchester last year from the US.. Traveling to Bolton on a odd Saturday or Sunday fixture was one of the highlights of being in the UK. Some of these teams should be treated as historical sites. Lovely fans and dedicated players that deserve better. Bought a mug from the club for early morning football here in the states. Cheers Bolton!
@mattbwfc61255 жыл бұрын
Jonny you’re always welcome
@ryancoackley36603 жыл бұрын
U should come back now the football is top stuff. Play like Manchester city
@londontalks63712 жыл бұрын
@@ryancoackley3660 lol
@ryancoackley36602 жыл бұрын
@@londontalks6371 it's true we play total football. Our cbs end upfront sometimes
@thearsenal28085 жыл бұрын
Finally a video that’s not about the top 6 😍😍😍😍😍😍
@JamieLandan5 жыл бұрын
That absolutely no one cares about. 😕
@reecemcguinness5 жыл бұрын
Jam SF Fat nonce
@sisloan5 жыл бұрын
@@JamieLandan you utter numpty. People have jobs at the club. It brings revenue to the area on match days. It doesn't just affect the players. It has a knock on effect right across the city. go give your head a wobble you trolling prick.
@wrighj5 жыл бұрын
But you're an arsenal fan why do you care ? Stop sucking people off for likes
@ianbarrett41665 жыл бұрын
Si Sloan it’s sad but sky should take some of the blame they only care about the big teams the lower leagues don’t bring them money
@Mr5foxy5 жыл бұрын
“I don’t do anything up there, I didn’t even know there was a team up there to be honest with you. I’m not a football fan.” - Steve Dale (Bury owner) How was someone like this allowed to buy a club? the EFL should be ashamed of themselves.
@russell60755 жыл бұрын
Why would he even buy it then literally makes no sense
@Mr5foxy5 жыл бұрын
Russell Morton probably thought he could buy it, help it grow short term and then sell it for a profit, but obviously he doesn’t know anything about football so he didn’t really think it through
@mbotela99795 жыл бұрын
He was the only one willing to buy them back then. If he didn't they would have gone under
@wimbledan5 жыл бұрын
EFL don't care about clubs. While Bury were going out of business all they cared about was Milton Keynes getting their name put on programme. Sums the EFL up.
@stevenrushton66855 жыл бұрын
He bought it for £1
@TonyStark-kz3ct5 жыл бұрын
Finally hearing about Bolton from someone other than StuntPegg.
@johnwick-vo7ig5 жыл бұрын
Tony Stark,she's not a proper Bolton fan,she doesn't hate Wigan or the 2 vulgar money bags manc clubs!
@JakeBWFC4 жыл бұрын
@@thesamalyst4309 wtaf?
@Oakeedokee73 жыл бұрын
@@thesamalyst4309 I wish I was blind
@mikeystorm2753 жыл бұрын
Err thogden and thogdad
@PNE26115 жыл бұрын
Wimbledon ,Leeds ,Charlton ,Blackpool ,Villa , Portsmouth ,Sunderland . The list gets bigger and bigger because the EFL and FA allow these takeovers and do not intervene with any restrictions to stop club mismanagement .
@donaldmather71415 жыл бұрын
Just want to say a big thank you Phil for all the good moments you have given us and Good luck to your future you will be remembered for it BWFC I’m a Bolton fan and what you have done for the club is amazing with no money you got us to the championship and you and survived just shows what a Quality manager you are ♥️♥️
@matthewwhittaker2085 жыл бұрын
Have so much respect for Phil Parkinson. Stuck with us through everything and gave his all for the club. Good luck, Phil.
@Nolaris3 Жыл бұрын
Seems like he got massive luck after all
@kess145 жыл бұрын
Parkinson really impresses me. I'm glad he brought up Villa,, because I've been sitting here feeling intensely lucky we went up this season. We would have been in MAJOR trouble if not.
@mariuspetrescu87535 жыл бұрын
It’s sad what’s happening to Bolton not long ago they were in the premier league 😔
@lewisthegamer22795 жыл бұрын
Marius Petrescu and in Europe
@bigmoneysteppa5 жыл бұрын
And they thought they didn't need to listen to big sam.
@smiddyboy19715 жыл бұрын
what year were bolton in the premier league.
@somerandomer6545 жыл бұрын
@@smiddyboy1971 Got relegated in 2012, to a goal that was a handball on last day of season. Same time as Agueroooo
@kieran-55855 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that the Man City fans were outraged about the draw against Spurs . All of them moaning on social media saying things like I am never going to a man city game or football is done for me . Whilst other clubs are struggling to survive. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I hate when the rich snobby clubs/fans don’t understand the passion for football and really don’t care. All they care about is winning the prem or something like that. The richer get richer poorer get poorer
@neilproctor51635 жыл бұрын
These aren't the first clubs to go t*ts up ... Until the game gets restructured, we'll see loads of others follow suit! With exception to the top 10 in the Premiership - I expect all the other 80+ clubs are one bad deal away from financial ruin! A massive restructuring is required, with some of that top money needs to move to the lower leagues! These clubs are more than businesses, they are community hubs and are historical treasures!
@sisloan5 жыл бұрын
I'm a Villa fan. We couldn't pay a tax bill last summer. This nearly happened to us. We were incredibly lucky that new owners stepped in when they did. I could't agree more about the money being spread around. The financial divide between the top and lower leagues is mindblowing. Football TV deals are slowly killing the lower leagues. Top tier clubs (including mine) getting so much money and the others get a pittance. It HAS to change, before it's too late for a lot more clubs. The championship final playoffs were constantly billed as the "the richest game in football". If you took half of the money that Prem teams get and spread it around the lower leagues, situations like Bury and Bolton could possibly be avoided.
@benguy86765 жыл бұрын
Theres only 72 clubs in the football league bro
@mbotela99795 жыл бұрын
@@sisloan they get paid proportionally to what the league brings in I think. The argument you are making is just as unsound as women asking for equal pay in football when they bring in 20 times less money
@stephenhodgson35065 жыл бұрын
@@sisloan The latest TV deal by the EFL was opposed by the top clubs in the Championship including Villa because they said the EFL had sold the clubs short. But it went ahead because the teams in League 1 and League 2 were happy with what the were going to get. They could have had more but they were short sighted and got £ in front of their eyes. Most of these clubs will never be shown live on TV so they don't care they will take what they can get. I support Leeds and almost half of our games last season were shown live and the same will happen this year. We joke at Leeds that when the fixtures are announced that for Leeds they should say some time during the weekend of ***. This messes the fans about particularly the bigger clubs because some of their fans have to fly to get to games. In the case of Leeds and I think this will apply to other clubs as well for a home game they get £100,000 for a live game but for an away game they get just £10,000. Compare that to what happens in the cup, for the away game at Newport in the cup that was shown live Leeds got £144,000 for an away game. As I said at the beginning there has to be something seriously wrong with the way the EFL negotiates its TV deals and the way the smaller clubs are more than willing to accept what ever is offered.
@sisloan5 жыл бұрын
@@mbotela9979 We may as well just shut all the other leagues down then if it's only about what the league brings in. If you don't support grass roots football and filter enough money to the lower leagues then the situation Bury have found themselves in happens and the game dies, apart from the very top level.
@billycole35655 жыл бұрын
Imagine asking a person who they support and they say "well I WAS a bolton fan" thats mad
@Jaminho3975 жыл бұрын
or a bury fan
@billycole35655 жыл бұрын
Jamie Stephen Dunne yeah course, but bolton were in the prem like 12 years ago😱
@alfiep86715 жыл бұрын
Billy Cole thing is it was literally 8 years ago
@camjones16725 жыл бұрын
@@billycole3565 bolton were in Europe 12 years ago beating athletico Madrid and drawing against bayern and now they are struggling in league 1 its a disgrace to football that the EFL allowed two greedy bastards ruin two clubs with over 100 years of history
@Jaminho3975 жыл бұрын
@@billycole3565 they were in the prem in the 11/12 season and got relegated :(
@jameslewis1215 жыл бұрын
Watching this sad sorry tale from Australia. My Dad was born and raised in Bolton and it's so sad to see a club with such a rich history be dragged down like this. I really feel for the fans of Bury and Bolton - the heart of their community will be ripped out by incompetent or selfish owners who just don't get that Football is more than a business - for some people who have a lot of crap in their life, going and watching their local club is the only bright moment in their week - the EFL needs to do better - the fall of these clubs are like the canary in the mine - they are a warning that there is something terribly wrong with the administration of the game.
@nleak925 жыл бұрын
The EFL have to take the lion's share of the blame for what's going on at both Bolton and Bury. Didn't do proper checks on the owners and allowing them to embezzle money out of the club's. These aren't new situations, Leyton Orient, Coventry City, Leeds United and so on have all have owners that have failed them and the EFL could have stopped this by doing proper checks
@evan98935 жыл бұрын
Cov is so complicated tho, it was nore the council than owners
@ianbarrett41665 жыл бұрын
All sky care about is the premier league more teams will be going out of business in the lower leagues.
@glennbrennan79995 жыл бұрын
Sadly these clubs are so in debt that finding an owner who has a genuine affinity for the clubs and deep pockets is really unlikely
@johnnymainly29123 жыл бұрын
But we now have owners who are bolton fans born in bolton and have supported bolton
@joshuacraven75623 жыл бұрын
Im just glad we still have a club to support feel sorry for bury
@notreal14775 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for all involved. It just reiterates how lucky my club has been(Chelsea). If it wasn't for Roman, CFC would have went this way too.
@alanbarnes45405 жыл бұрын
Fair play to parkinson for being so honest
@hikerwoody1823 жыл бұрын
the right person to take Wrexham back into the EFL 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌✊♥️
@stasiusclay73485 жыл бұрын
Anyone remember Big Sam's first couple of years promotion to and then the first few seasons in the PL with that Bolton team 2000-03?Jääskeläinen, Hendry, N'Gotty, Campo, Nolan, Okocha, Djorkaeff, Salva to name a few off the top of my head. May they please return to them days again coming from a Celtic and Arsenal fan 🙌🏻
@steffanh93685 жыл бұрын
The first time I ever saw Daniel Sturridge play was at Bolton. They really are the whole reason we got him in the first place
@russell60755 жыл бұрын
Remember when sturidge was at bolton doing bits in the prem
@LC_985 жыл бұрын
Russell Morton wilshere too
@1990198520075 жыл бұрын
2010/11
@joecarmody55445 жыл бұрын
This fella deserves massive respect ✊
@paddynevs58855 жыл бұрын
If Bolton and bury were founders of the football league why not let the clubs be the efl borad members don’t leave it to dickheads who don’t know what they are doing and just ruined both histrionic clubs with out fail
@azarulahmed7895 жыл бұрын
Borad histrionic
@curtismoreland74475 жыл бұрын
Do u remember when parky managed bradford and we beat u 4-2 😂
@blondeboi225 жыл бұрын
Azarul Ahmed it’s a blend of iconic and historic- histrionic
@paddynevs58855 жыл бұрын
Curtis Moreland totally irrelevant
@zainchandia73555 жыл бұрын
Paddy Nevs Bolton were founders but Bury weren’t.
@peteenty625 жыл бұрын
With regards to the handling of Bury FC by the incompetent English Football League (EFL)... I feel if we the genuine supporters of English football, where to just say 'ok that's it then', then we will be the ones to let this happen again and again to other clubs, and accept what the EFL has done to be correct! But what the EFL has done isn't correct, because what they have done is to take the easy way out, and not give an ear to the new bids that have come in from interested parties as far away as Switzerland. Also I am so disappointed with The EFL, because I feel they could of given Ivan Lewis MP for Bury South and his consortium, a further twenty four hours to take over the club. As I stated earlier, in the amateur games teams have to make up an eight game deficit to finish off their fixtures and in some cases, they only had two weeks to do this! We the supporters need to pile as much pressure onto The EFL, stating that they are not fit to rule, because if they where they would have stepped in and suspended the sale of Bury FC for £1 at the time it happened. And just to rub salt into the wounds, The FA (who have kept quiet throughout) gave out a statement saying that Bury FC, would not be able to contest the FA Cup this season! This news I heard on Sky Sports, and this was followed by news on Alexis Sanchez' loan move to Inter Milan, of which Manchester United would still have to prop his wages up to the sum of £6 million! To sum up. It feels like the EFL have had to come down hard on Bury FC, its staff and its fans. They have done this to show Bolton Wanderers what will happen if they dont get their act together. I think the EFL don't have the compassion or the empathy to understand the complexity of the situation, and have taken the easy way out!
@sisloan5 жыл бұрын
the EFL seem to have double standards. Bolton have been given extension after extension. It seems the justification for it by the EFL is that Bolton were still able to play games and Bury couldn't. Lets hope that one of the Bury offers works out and they can start again next season.
@edd..e5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the money Man utd will pay alexis sanchez to NOT play for them for a year would have paid Bury's mortgage for Gigg Lane practically twice over .. it's a madness
@seltonk51365 жыл бұрын
Burp
@vikmagdani42705 жыл бұрын
Finally a good debate. Great content
@aj4785 жыл бұрын
Didn’t agree with his tactics most of the time but as far as managers go I don’t think you can beat parky for resilience. Loved the 2016/17 season and the fact he did it under a transfer embargo speaks wonders about the job he did under the specific circumstances☝🏻
@Jim-so3zm5 жыл бұрын
He was certainly a fantastic figurehead for you lot. Dignity and class personified.
@MrGts925 жыл бұрын
Did the tactics follow from the restrictions and the quality he had?
@aj4785 жыл бұрын
MrGts92 he had enough players available to him at the time to not play hoof ball every game - vela, oztumer, Connell etc...
@johnlowdon58095 жыл бұрын
Tight fisted Leicester sell a player for £80,000,000 ,then buy a good young lad from Bury for £100,000 when he was valued at £500,000. WELL DONE LEICESTER !
@johnlowdon58095 жыл бұрын
@Oneman Oneman Do you mean stole? Not sure of the kids name I just remember reading that Bury were hopeful of getting £500,000 for the player.
@MJ-dx4rw5 жыл бұрын
But Bury agreed to sell him for £100k? How is that possibly Leicester's fault?
@johnlowdon58095 жыл бұрын
@@MJ-dx4rw If you can`t see what`s wrong with it I feel sorry for you. Leicester took advantage and Bury are gone.
@MJ-dx4rw5 жыл бұрын
@@johnlowdon5809 So, you go to a shop that is having some financial issues. There's something in there that you want to buy that was £5, and the shop changes the tag from £5 to selling for £1 instead. Do you pay £5? Thought not....... Regardless of this - blaming Leicester for their demise seems ridiculous to me
@Kaspisify5 жыл бұрын
@@johnlowdon5809 I'm sorry but that's not Leicester's fault.
@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee5 жыл бұрын
Things like this would never happen in a country like Germany
@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee5 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Nemeth No,the main reason is structure of the leagues,restrictions and 50+1 rule
@aj4785 жыл бұрын
Nah you just cause wars instead x
@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee5 жыл бұрын
@@aj478 Im not german tho
@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee5 жыл бұрын
@@aj478 And my country lost 15% of the population in WW2,so...
@souleymanediawara77145 жыл бұрын
nah even bundesliga is difference,red bull is literally the owner of a club,so the 50+1 rule got holes that anyone can manipulate
@jessicafermin26678 ай бұрын
so fascinating to watch this now knowing how it all plays out, and how all these conversation points have been discussed at length. they're doing it right. super phil parky.
@claytonmoss42745 жыл бұрын
From okocha to this dam I feel sorry for the fans who are they gonna support now
@we_are_arsenal_________34585 жыл бұрын
Nolan Davis as well
@shocxlegendz24725 жыл бұрын
Big john Price they’re gonna support Bolton
@mrkipling22013 жыл бұрын
With the insane amounts of money in the premier league, why can’t the clubs put a bit of money in each to save the lower league clubs that are in danger of going out of business?? The sums that are needed normally to save these clubs is about a weeks wages of a top premier league player. The top clubs benefit as well because they can pick up players from the lower leagues. It’s so avoidable.
@GarethE945 жыл бұрын
Both clubs are about 130 years old. Bolton were winning FA cups in the 1950s! Clubs like this are pillars of English football. I hope things get sorted out.
@lujoja82265 жыл бұрын
Bury even won 2 FA Cups in the early 1900s: 1900 & 1903.
@robertmorley36095 жыл бұрын
Notts County almost went under a few weeks ago, but were taken over just in time. Fans collected money to pay the non-playing staff at the club who hadn't been paid in weeks.
@m_wxm79503 жыл бұрын
Phil Parkinson red army🔴🏴
@mrkipling22015 жыл бұрын
I was at Old Trafford when Knighton came out with the ball juggling crap. Thankfully he didn’t get his hands on United!! That would have been a disaster!!
@dalbsterlcfc925 жыл бұрын
i like the way andy townsend brought my club Leicester into the conversation in terms of what ownership should be about and the way its run with the fact its not just about investing in the club, its also investing throughout the community which is what our owners do. So sad to see a former PL team Bolton in this position and my heart and soul goes out to every person associated with Bury who got expelled by EFL last night. As a neutral football fan as well I felt upset and really angry at the same time because no one deserves to see their club get kicked out as it affects everyone's livelihoods.
@stephenhodgson35065 жыл бұрын
There is a basic flaw in the way the EFL is run and that is that the main decisions are made by the club chairman/owners themselves. It's like having the foxes guard the chicken house. There is no way the Chairmen will vote for something that may disadvantage themselves. I support Leeds and when the EFL voted on our 15 points deduction a few years ago the Chairmen of Leagues 1 and 2 voted for the -15 points to stand because it was in their interests to get the money from the Leeds travelling fans. While most in the Championship voted against it because they saw exactly the same thing if Leeds got a quick promotion back. Those Chairmen were looking for a short term gain and for some of them it came back to bite them in the rear end when they ran into problems of their own. The EFL have proved time and time again that they are not fit to run their leagues. The FA as the governing body of football in England should be launching a full and independent enquiry into the state of the game within the Championship, League 1 and League 2 and should enforce any changes that, that enquiry makes with the threat of withdrawing a clubs FA registration if they refuse to comply. Under FIFA rules if a club does not hold its governing bodies registration it cannot take part in any league. The EFL have had twenty years to sort these problems out and they have failed time and time again. They've had their chance and it's now time for the FA to take action.
@dinodino94695 жыл бұрын
Remember when Bolton was battling the old Man U and asking real questions i think the finished like 8th
@ay6135 жыл бұрын
Even top 6 or 7th at one point, playing european football.
@boltonwandererscluboffootb46155 жыл бұрын
*This man is a hero*
@RecencyBiasRadio5 жыл бұрын
I just want that Sunday Supplement instrumental 😂
@jamesmcmurrough38113 жыл бұрын
Now sacked at sunderland, good riddance
@kami_svn41355 жыл бұрын
Rip Bury and Bolton ♥
@zainchandia73555 жыл бұрын
Bolton are safe and bury aren’t dead they’re just not in the football league anymore.
@kieran-55855 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that the Man City fans were outraged about the draw against Spurs . All of them moaning on social media saying things like I am never going to a man city game or football is done for me . Whilst other clubs are struggling to survive. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I hate when the rich snobby clubs/fans don’t understand the passion for football and really don’t care. All they care about is winning the prem or something like that. The richer get richer poorer get poorer
@AJ-cs3cx5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about Bury. I hope Bolton can get themselves the potential new owner within timescale that they deserve. Villa were one of the very fortunate few to acquire two very astute, wealthy businessmen, both of whom have sporting interests/investments, to secure the long term future of our club. We went into last season just happy we had a team to watch play. Horrible to know your are potentially one bad owner away from having your heart and soul ripped out of your chest.
@acidarmour4474 ай бұрын
This converation is the reason Rob had a chance convincing Phil to joing the dragons
@minstrelofMir5 жыл бұрын
prem teams like manu and city paying players like 300k a week that could keep a lower team going just seems wrong
@PrinceOfCats55 жыл бұрын
The big problem long-term is who will buy these clubs. You have to have enough money to pay the running costs for two years. If you have that kind of money, why invest it in a money pit? Fans aren't millionaires by and large. They can't buy these clubs. Would Richard Branson buy a club? No. He knows it's a stupid investment. Those who love the club can't afford it and those who can won't waste millions on a bad investment
@dave99975 жыл бұрын
Andy Townsend was a really poor choice of guest on this episode. He's known to be friends or at least associated with Ken Anderson (now former owner of Bolton) and was possibly the least impartial guest Sky Sports could have had on. Very disappointing.
@user-ei5sv3pb5g5 жыл бұрын
I dunno, he kind of plays devil's advocate, but I get what you mean
@liamrowbotham24525 жыл бұрын
Notice how he was 'instrumental' getting Ken and his gang in when things were going well, but 'hasn't spoken to him in ages' since our situation went tits up. The guys a prick. Bang average footballer, sub-standard pundit. His opinion's irrelevant...
@mariusandreipetrescu1365 жыл бұрын
Bolton deserves to be in the premier league instead of Man United
@Danqz975 жыл бұрын
Emery FTW I most definitely agree with you mate, I wish United got liquidated instead of Bury
@Danqz975 жыл бұрын
Ibi 13331 your reply tells me you want to cry😂
@markballerina42775 жыл бұрын
Danqz hillsbrough hahahahahahhaha 96 wasnt enough should have been 200
@Ibi-cm4ul5 жыл бұрын
@@Danqz97 yes
@fergalnaughton22535 жыл бұрын
@@Danqz97 Liverpool should be liquidated
@gfrankthomas76185 жыл бұрын
Knowbody has mentioned the real problem and its the EFL itself ,and its restrictions on clubs trading ,sometimes in order to keep afloat. These Transfer windows have caused more problems than needed in the past you could sell or sign a player to help your situation up until middle of march, unhappy players could leave and not sit around moaning, We adopted the European model that came out of Italy and Spain ,were the top teams owned by unscrupulous characters raided regional clubs then shut it down , leaving them always stronger than the rest , its why the Milan's and Madrid's etc ran away with their leagues every season, its finally happened in England, I'm just surprised clubs clubs haven't fought these restrictions on movement of players in court
@timhuggins19935 жыл бұрын
Good news for the fans but stitch up for Bury ! I could see this happening all along sadly ......... The EFL heirarchy and the Premier League bed buddies out together to save their own reputation and embarrassment able to bend all the rules in order to save Bolton Wanderers who was the former mainstay of their own premier league , for many years and who might well have been in more financial debt than Bury , but chose to bend the rules to let Bolton lifesupport get extended and now a new "saviour" owner take over whilst not extending time letting little old Bury (who sadly probably have no obvious in the EFL saving go to the wall still . Any club on the brink is always sad for the fans who always loose out but atleast for the greater good of the rotten business game treat them Bolton same as Bury, so atleast there would be ALOT more scrutiny of the EFL PREM rules to avoid another big club fail , instead of sweeping Burys demise under the carpet similar to Chester and Darlington etc .
@qlnbd5 жыл бұрын
On the buying clubs issue, should it not be illegal to transfer the debt you have incurred to buy a club to that club? The person or entity doing the buying shouldnt just be allowed to dump their debt on the club. It wrong.
@wolfcrewe74745 жыл бұрын
The whole model in English football is unsustainable and the bubble will burst
@ianbarrett41665 жыл бұрын
Finally someone taking sense and not living in the past
@wolfcrewe74745 жыл бұрын
The only reason the premier league teams are able to function is tv money and rich owners. They are in hundreds of millions of debt most of them but classed as sustainable for some strange reason. Imagine those banks call in that money? Most would be fucked. Maybe it needs to happen! This is what happens when the sport gets infiltrated by politicians and big business
@michaelg34635 жыл бұрын
Players wages massive issue esp in football league. Cap Championship players at 10 grand a week tops. League One 5 grand a week. League Two 2500 a week. Watch how less clubs in football League get into financial trouble.
@Tom-bm1sk5 жыл бұрын
Where did this thing about Bury being a founder member of the Football League come from?
@mrdarren1045 Жыл бұрын
Yeah as far as I was aware there were only 12 founder members, my club PNE and Bolton among them. Had never heard of Bury being among them though.
@pearcegreatesteverleftback035 жыл бұрын
Strange but True: Bolton have a better Premier League pedigree than our very own, former double European Champions Nottm Forest!! As for Bury, well... they did beat us 2-0 at Gigg Lane in 1997😎😂
@Andrewb22045 жыл бұрын
Fun fact Ronaldo’s first game for United was against Bolton
@zainchandia73555 жыл бұрын
United’s first ever game was a 6-0 loss to Bolton reserves.
@TheMcmunro5 жыл бұрын
Norwich had no money and no rich benefactor, so they changed the model. I like what they are all saying but at no point do they discuss the fact that maybe the owners were shortsighted when it comes to running a "club".
@mikepar25 жыл бұрын
The EFL need to urgently revamp their fit and proper person test in who can own a football club
@seanwhite48375 жыл бұрын
Should the EFL board or fit and proper person test or both need updated. So the Bolton & Bury could be help out.
@nicktoovey28235 жыл бұрын
No talksport polls asking if Bolton or bury are worth saving though
@mrdarren1045 Жыл бұрын
Are you kidding? I'm not a Bolton fan but they should absolutely be helped out. Bolton are one of the original old clubs and their potential is huge. A few years ago I would never have believed this sort of situation would affect them. A club like Bolton should always be in the football league at the very minimum. I hope they eventually get back up to at least championship level. All the best for the future from a PNE supporter (no, not a fan... which has become so popular of late. 'Fans' come from Thailand and Korea and change their allegiances with their clothes. Supporters are the life blood of us old clubs, not fans).
@colarmstrong574 жыл бұрын
Haway Phil the power lad!
@Dave-Shearer4 жыл бұрын
The EFL should have the power to force a sale at a price set by a 3rd party valuer if a club enters administration. This would mean that if a club was in financial trouble the current owner couldn't go back and forth negotiating slowing down the process. Bury went under with an offer on the table. I don't know if it was a fair offer, or if it was going to be enough to keep the head above water, or if the administrators felt it gave enough to the creditors. But I will always wonder if Steve Dale refused the offer hoping to maximise his return on investment.
@louisebrown1035 жыл бұрын
If the guy that brought bury for a quid just prolonged the club. If he could buy it 4 a quid no1 else wanted it the efl cant sell something nobody wants to buy.
@Tyler-ys9zn5 жыл бұрын
Bolton’s road to liquidation has begun
@Tyler-ys9zn5 жыл бұрын
Patrick Kieler Bates Mate stop stalking me and get a job 😂😂😂
@Iewdawg5 жыл бұрын
TylerAFC you support a banter club chill
@Danqz975 жыл бұрын
Lzwis that’s United
@chrisdnb81375 жыл бұрын
@@Tyler-ys9zn says the kid who always comments on every football video ever uploaded to youtube, i think u need to reword your response
@philjonesisbetterthenvirgi64985 жыл бұрын
TylerAFC Why not get a life and go outside the house get some fresh air.
@SamButler225 жыл бұрын
They talk about the club being desperate when Anderson originally came in, and that's why he wasn't checked thoroughly enough. But the biggest problem is why were they in that predicament back then? How did the get away with losing so much, for so long?
@Akuzastar5 жыл бұрын
The reason why the whole Bolton situation happened is due to high wages of players and Anderson being in a taking money away mood all the time and not wanting to put in. My understanding of bury is the guy didn't have the money in the first place, but the EFL allowed it through to keep the club going... which defeats the purpose of the "tests" they do.
@brrrstikup5 жыл бұрын
Sad times for these two ....I'm an Oldham fan & we're always on our arse aswell.... especially with the Arab prick who bought us.... he is exactly the sort of owner who Townsend/Warburton are speaking of...no affinity or love for the club whatsoever
@mrdarren1045 Жыл бұрын
This is a sad sign of what has happened to English football. Clubs now care more about 'fans' on the other side of the world than they do about their true hard core supporters who follow their clubs everywhere and at no small cost as well these days.
@johncambridge7339 Жыл бұрын
If anyone is to blame for burys demise it was the owner who sold the ground to Steve Dale for 1 pound
@bigmoneysteppa5 жыл бұрын
Bolton should have listened to big sam.
@vimtocrazy7395 жыл бұрын
When you build fancy stadiums outside of your core audience. Then you have problems . Horwich is not Bolton .
@adrianmonks1375 жыл бұрын
Geoff Langley where is it then?
@vimtocrazy7395 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmonks137 Not in Bolton . A retail park on the way to M6 . Soul less .
@adrianmonks1375 жыл бұрын
Geoff Langley yeah to be fair I agree. Why couldn’t they rebuild Burnden Park? It’s a modern stadium but like you say it should of been built closer.
@BertieMoores5 жыл бұрын
Andy Townsend chirping up about his mate all the time whilst Parky professionally disagrees and keeps a level head. Just let Parky speak for half an hour, someone who's dealt with Chairman Ken for three years, diligently working away all whilst working under a selfish madman and incredible constraints doing a job which does nothing for his career prospects. Wish him well elsewhere, other clubs would be lucky to have him.
@UltraTuber15 жыл бұрын
Always loved parky, great man
@curtismoreland74475 жыл бұрын
Got us to league 1 but down to league 2 again 😂
@Carlosuss19895 жыл бұрын
The Big 6 and a couple others get all the attention from Sky and the EFL. The only EFL team to get any love from Sky and the EFL has been Salford... and we all know why it's where the money is for them! The money going to the top end of football Compared to lower league and grassroots football is beyond any quick fix!
@druhoward3765 жыл бұрын
why dont top league give all a certain amount to help them both and with stratigies to get them back on track so they can start paying it back aswel as the club moving forward
@cm93715 жыл бұрын
So what happens now? Like do they join the national league or? As a football fan this is so sad
@1dls8335 жыл бұрын
Clubs need to be realistic and understand their level. Bury existed for decades yo yo ing between the 3rd and 4th Tiers no way should anyone have gone in there and assembled the squad they had last season. For me Bolton are different as there is some potential long term to climb back through the leagues and have big crowds. Weren't Bolton on the brink when they were in the Premier League at one point?
@johnjones80265 жыл бұрын
Time for all the TV companies to stop squabbling about TV rights and how much money they are all making. Lets get back to what makes this game special... fan bases built over generations. Stop these owners coming in and just buying a club to make a profit.
@burants895 жыл бұрын
A total shambles..."owners" failed to meet some basic criteria and the EFL should shoulder a load of responsibility...shame for the fans...good luck from a Celtic fan
@edd..e5 жыл бұрын
Loads needs to be done! Improve the fit and proper persons test .. fans partly owning the club alongside investors needs to be more promoted and assisted .. efl clubs could place a wage cap for each division to ensure that clubs dont offer ridiculous wages short term in the hope they make it to Prem. All Prem and big Championship clubs should have community partnerships with smaller local clubs. The prize money for lower leagues could be massively improved if the premier league donated 1% of their broadcasting deal to the Efl. Clubs cant start disappearing because we are facing a future where there are less professional clubs and a lot of these current historic but not profitable clubs could become semi pro which would be sad. Hopefully the FA will place a Phoenix Bury club high enough up the pyramid like national league north or something because their fanbase deserves more than that tbf.
@alfmartin80645 жыл бұрын
How dont every team in the epl pay 10 million each to the fa to help fund lower league team. Thats 200 million.
@Mikejames10805 жыл бұрын
Has Townsend just come out of a coma?
@kurtthompson35495 жыл бұрын
Wigan much be loveing it
@Hammerschool5 жыл бұрын
hopefully this kind of thing happens to man united.
@zainchandia73555 жыл бұрын
No more rivalry though. I’m a United fan and I hate the idea of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, etc, going out of business.
@MrBannystar5 жыл бұрын
I'd rather it happen to Man City being owned by a country that has modern day slavery.
@sonpacho5 жыл бұрын
Why does this sound like they don't know anything? It sounds like they really don't know anything about the situations with the clubs and they're just sitting around talking about an issue they just heard about 20 minutes before the show started? @12:48 - is the financial situations of teams a secret? Is it not known a team is in trouble until the "For Sale" sign goes up? Is that a UK thing? This show? I'm an American and I'm used to all the "inside" coverage of sports here so listening to this is...hard...it sounds like they don't even fully understand the role of the EFL (not that I do, but it doesn't sound like they do either)... Is it the nature of English soccer? I'm trying to overstand how this [Bury getting kicked out] happened and listening to all the coverage it just sounds like the EFL is a hot mess. A hot disorganized mess. EDIT: I'm not trying to be critical of anyone, it just sounds like they're trying real hard not to talk bad about the EFL because the EFL is some sh*t and everyone knows it but no one wants to come out and say it...in doing that it makes this round table sound disjointed and incoherent...it sounds like either they know a lot and don't want to say it or don't know anything about the situation...
@brian80665 жыл бұрын
clubs should show a profit and have next years wages at the end of the year
@peterlovell5 жыл бұрын
If you wish to be an owner of a football club, you should have to put say two years worth of running costs in a account held by the EFL. Stop this garbage of football clubs being a business. It's that mentality that is killing the game. Plus players in lower leagues being paid far too much money. If they want premier League style wages then go join a premier League club.
@thecallawaykid17633 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Wrexham 🏴
@Nightstalker3215 жыл бұрын
They’re a small club and they need to accept that. Glad they are staying in the EFL, but they ain’t gonna be a regional player. Just live within your means and you’ll be fine. Try and push it, and it’ll get stuffed
@colindavidson4305 жыл бұрын
to much money going to the top two leagues
@michaelg34635 жыл бұрын
Got players on like 8 grand a week madness at League One level. Cap wages watch problems financially stop.
@malcolmx47445 жыл бұрын
Who wants to own a football club you make no money it’s just a money pit
@chiragkapoor83165 жыл бұрын
What happened at Bolton??
@no.fourteen93165 жыл бұрын
the ultimate goat MESSI Similar situation at Bury , they have been a 2 week extension (same extension that Bury given) to find a buyer or they’ll be expelled as well
@chiragkapoor83165 жыл бұрын
LegitUser ok thanks for information
@michaelg34635 жыл бұрын
Salary caps needed in football League for footballers. On to much money sinking clubs into financial ruin.
@samgee63255 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Tottenham
@Christians99555 жыл бұрын
Better then arsenal 😂
@Danqz975 жыл бұрын
Christians9955 Ave a laugh 😂
@harrisonbaker1995 жыл бұрын
@@Danqz97 yeah, arsenal are much better, they are great in the champs league too
@philjonesisbetterthenvirgi64985 жыл бұрын
Tottenham are going in the right direction unlike Arseshit
@avikarsewpersad98565 жыл бұрын
Man Utd should be liquidated
@stevencarolthesouthernbarr4555 жыл бұрын
The people of Bury don't care so why should anyone else? Theyre all City and United fans. As for Bolton, that's what happens when you're a small club trying to compete with the big boys for years.
@johnwick-vo7ig5 жыл бұрын
Only 11 teams have spent more seasons in the top flight than Bolton so how are they a small club you moron?
@connortheobald58404 жыл бұрын
Wigan have been left in the same situation
@jjohnsonsfg5 жыл бұрын
Man U has started the same trajectory where the owners refuses to reinvest into the team. We don't have enough players at the key positions all while the greedy owners are selling everyone.
@RJR17875 жыл бұрын
You really can't compare UTD to Bolton and Bury's circumstances at all. Don't be ridiculous
@billycole35655 жыл бұрын
So could any multimillionaire come in and save the club? Or is it more complicated than that?
@no.fourteen93165 жыл бұрын
That could happen but Bury will have to reapply for Non league football next season
@billycole35655 жыл бұрын
LegitUser I see. I was asking mainly about bolton since they have more time
@sisloan5 жыл бұрын
Any deal has to be done in 14 days now. Or they are out of the league. I'm under the belief that there is around 14 million of creditor debt tied to the club by the administrators. That 14 million has to be covered and then you need enough money to run the club. Staff and player wages, overheads. Anyone coming in will need deep pockets. They are playing youth team players since they only have about half a dozen senior players left and no manager. It isn't a pretty situation.
@billycole35655 жыл бұрын
Si Sloan wow I didnt know it was that bad. Thanks
@russell60755 жыл бұрын
Neither are good investment opportunities so its unlikely to happen
@upupnaway59265 жыл бұрын
All the moneys going to pogba and Sanchez the clubs should loan these teams there players and pay there wages