Ebikes or motorcycles? The uncomfortable truth...

[@Area13ebikes]

Which one of these is your favorite? The Cheetah, P61, Madmods, or X-tour?

[@michaelhorton6166]

I like the look of the Cheetah.

[@Blainerowe3]

All things considered, I’m saving up for a Cheetah! I’m quite interested, first, in converting my giant cypress DX into a custom ‘peddle assist’ E-Bike.

[@haroldbuchanan1284]

Cannot find a link to the X-tour

[@ebikeliverystable]

Plum e-bike out of California

[@pascalkargut3237]

You’re reviewing this as a bicycle these are meant as motorcycles and not bicycles and you’re complaining about pedal position but some of that’s types of bikes are actually meant to have the drive train replaced with pegs you gotta understand these really are motorcycles that found a loupe hole and aren’t bicycles at all

[@Sputz3]

Motorcycles started off as bikes with engines so I think its fair to say we are going back to the original style.

[@megadust5589]

These look cool. I'd like to ditch the pedals for pegs and have a belt drive with a 35 mph speed. Unfortunately that wouldn't fit legally within current ebike definitions.

[@ebikenoob4463]

Remember, Sondors knew about the 50lb weight increase several months before they disclosed the 115lb overall weight. They lied to thousands of customers and are getting away with it!

[@disciprine]

Everything I've read about sondors is that they are kind of shady but have some attractive designs. Glad I didnt go with them

[@handlebars9514]

They recently changed the listed MadMods top speed from 30+ down to 25 so that's another deal breaker

[@Oz1111]

@@handlebars9514 to be fair, it was listed at 28, but nevertheless, it's bad.

[@BRichSolution]

Sondors is 114lbs! I love the look but We need weight watchers

[@peddeler2]

I have a Madmods Scrambler on order since Apr. The latest update says it's supposed to ship next week. I also paid the introductory price of $1499. I'm disappointed that it weighs so much after they estimated it at 65 Lbs and didn't give the true weight until they shipped the first batch. Still for $1499 I figure I'm getting a good deal despite all it's short comings. I do not like the cap on the back of the seat of the Cafe at all, it takes up some room from the seat and I just think it looks stupid. I plan on updating the motor to a Bafang G062 1000w hub motor and bigger controller.

[@Oz1111]

I'd love to know how you will do this. Got my Cafe today and want to upgrade it as well. If you make a video, that'd be awesome. If not, can you share whet to at least get the parts ( ali baba?) And the vendor you will go with?

[@zacharyrivera566]

I have a hyper scorpion and one thing it lacks is really good motorcycle tires. I like the idea of you building your own e bike, only remember we need good solid tires so we don't get so many flat tires.

[@Bluemax54]

Easy fix, change tires. I did it.

[@jesusmaryandjoseph6]

Can't you throw some dirtbike tires if u have the power

[@TheGoKidd]

Noting the standover height for each bike would be super helpful. Thanks for your reviews.

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[@ThomasJLKastner]

I have a Cafe MadMods model and it was supposed to be 65lbs on the estimate. Also, the new bike you share looks exciting but I'm going to be opting for a Xion CyberX instead. Up to 72v 50ah battery. 750/15000watt motor. 28/50mph. Style some folks may not like but I dig it. Full custom color and such, custom LED panels, domino throttle, custom mid drive motor, and choice between street, all terrain, or knobbies for tires. In the $5k range but $1000 off for Black Friday so if you order before November you can get it for 4k or spend that on upgrades.

[@AnthonyTripoli]

Me too, man. Crazy how much more powerful it is than even the “secret reveal” bike in this video. It’s gonna be sick. 😄

[@Altema22]

The CyberX is awesome, and I'd prefer it to any of the bikes here. However, I can't ride a motorcycle on any trails or paths here. With 20 times the legal power limit, it sounds like a hoot though.

[@AnthonyTripoli]

@@Altema22 It has several modes that limit power and max speed.

[@dhdallas]

I have been building human powered and e-bikes from bare frames up for many years and let me tell you, this MadMods Scrambler was the worst assembly experience ever!! The shipping box was beat up with numerous tears. The tube that was inserted through the head tube to secure the bike during shipping was loose (because no one noticed the glaring omission of the head tube’s upper bearing/race which was never installed) and just banged around during shipping (chipping paint on the head tube & fork crown), severely kinked front brake line, the front disc brake incorrectly mounted so the outer scalloped edge of the disc hit the brake housing (needed a spacer), charger not working (case broken), derailleur guard bent too far inwards preventing shifts to the smallest 2 cogs, missing top bearing/race of the headset, and no included inventory of what should be in the box, no invoice, and no manual. Does the headlight come on automatically in the dark, who knows? At least mine has the logo right side up & both brake levers are marked Zoom. The packaging was terrible and for the MSRP of $3500 Sondors could afford to do a better job. I bought a full size 250cc Chinese touring scooter for less than $2k and not only did it come fully assembled, they had a steel cage built around the scooter which was then actually bolted to the cage. It was rock solid and arrived in perfect condition. Sondors customer service was excellent though and they expedited the missing/damaged parts & even offered to pay for a local bike shop to put the bike together. After numerous rides I have only 2 minor complaints. Wow, is that seat ever hard! Ouch! My other suggestion would be to have the storage compartment door open on the right side so when the bike is leaning to the left on its kickstand and you open the compartment door everything doesn’t fall out like it does now. About the seat height: I'm just shy of 6’ tall so I added a piece of 2” thick high density foam under my butt. It is still not the ideal pedaling angle but hey, this is NOT a road or mountain bike so I am fine with it. Eventually I will reupholster the seat with thicker foam. I tried a Super 73 once and unless you are shorter than 5’, forget about any pedaling in comfort. The MadMods pedals just fine and you will quickly get used to the width & weight. As for the reach to the handlebar, the Scrambler comes with a higher dirt bike style handlebar which I angled rearward to greatly shorten my reach and allow me to sit further aft. Try to keep in mind that the MadMods is a moped, NOT a bicycle nor is it a motorcycle! All in all, this is a fantastic electric moped. The construction, welds, and paint are perfect and it is beautiful to see. It rides like a dream and I love it! Even though I got mine at a pre-production promotional price, the MadMods is worth every penny of the full MSRP! I say “Go for it!”

[@ebikeliverystable]

The Plum e-bike is definitely an agile riding machine. It's basically a West Coast Chopper with electric drive. I own the WCC e-bike conversion and it's the bomb. Definitely motorcycle inspiration. Jesse James designed it . His choppers are well sought after.

[@mjweissman6309]

For $4000 you can buy a ONYX RCR or Huck cycle.. 3000w

[@ProlificInvention]

I love the looks of these, but I could never part with my full suspension mountain bike with dual 1500 watt front and rear hub motors. A plastic 20mm ammo can out back holds 2 controllers and a 20ah battery. Thumb and twist throttles, I like it because it accelerates like a rocket and is still kind of stealth.

[@l-Lucid-l]

I’m new to ebikes. I’m coming from performance escooters and all these bikes aren’t impressing me. What would you recommended that has high speed and range that I can also ride with a passenger on?

[@ProlificInvention]

@@l-Lucid-l What's your budget? I could point you in a direction. A bike like mine with a tow behind bike, or convert a tandem bike-perhaps fabricate a tandem mountain bike and electrify it with hub motors and at least 20ah of capacity battery, and at least 1000-2000 watts. There are electric cargo bikes that carry a passenger or even two but they are usually $2,500-4k$+ A converted 3 wheel bike that has a rear mounted passenger seat $2500 minimum usually

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@ProlificInvention thank you for your help I really appreciate it. I was looking at the radrunner plus, the Ariel rider grizzly and the hyperscrambler 2. As these 3 bikes seemed to be the only ones that have good throttle only range and could comfortably carry a passenger, with decent performance. Honestly I would pay good money if I’m getting the best bike for my situation. My budget is 2.5-4K.

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@ProlificInvention I started looking into modding a bike to suit my needs but I’m a bike newbie so buying a grizzly seemed more appealing than trying to build a bike myself. But I’m down to try anything. Honestly if I can carry a passenger, throttle 30miles minimum and also go at least 35mph+ it would be perfect as I’m in nyc and I need alot of torque to avoid getting run over by crap drivers. Also a bike that’s good in the rain and snow is a huge plus, I do tend to ride no matter the weather

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@ProlificInvention the grizzly and hs2 completely outperform the Radrunner so I’m really only looking at those two bikes. What’s holding me back from the HS2 is the grizzly outperforming it in every way, and the tires are horrible for turning and the snow. what’s holding me back from the grizzly is it seems much less comfortable than the hs2 and the design is too immature for my taste.

[@bjornevenrud]

i just wanted to say i have no problem pedaling my madmod scrambler. The handlebars are different on the scrambler so the knees aren't going to be in the way so much. both my brakes say zoom on them. The Bike fits me perfect. I am 5 11 with short legs and long torso. The comfort is very good and the width is what i like. funny how everyone is so different.I've

[@rv10pro]

Can you start using Kilowatt to Weight information when comparing bikes. Weight divided by Kilowatt. 116#/.750 = 154.66 # per vs. 73/.750 = 97.33 # per. 'Fatty" vs. Sprinter

[@ivanvence7717]

Hello, where can I buy the frame of the Bolton p61?

[@dave9456]

What ever you do make them Dual Motor Bro 👍👍

[@TheDurrard]

Any chance that we will see you starting to carry the M625? And is the P61 a one time bike?

[@billorourke7152]

I just got a Sondors MXS 2 months ago, the zoom brakes are garbage. When I purchased the bike the picture showed tektro brakes. Other than that I love the bike just wish Sondors didn't get cheap with the brakes

[@Oz1111]

They said they'd actually be an upgrade from Tektro since they couldn't procure them. Instead, they gave us shittier brakes. Shame.

[@mjweissman6309]

Love the PS1.. are the tires thick enough to hold sharp corners?

[@Hoggdoc1946]

I wonder on the X-Tour if when you unlock the power to 3000W can you also remove the 28 mph speed limit?

[@sector7676]

What's the unlimited mode throttle only top speed?

[@jayko23]

Just to confirm , will the sondors be comfortable considering I’m 6 feet tall and weight 235lbs ?

[@mikemasters4568]

Also The Mad Mod Has a 21 amp hour Battery !!! What are the other Bike's

[@876Tropics]

Why didn’t they use carbon fiber for some part of the frame?

[@MrDroptineman]

Awesome Kyle. I love these style ebike/motorcycle looks.

[@Timbodacious]

sondors is using actual motorcycle tires on that bike? that will add easy weight lol. IS their bike steel it doesn't add up? I was biased towards your bike for performance reasons and also because i know you know how to build a bike haha. there are some hidden caveats about that x1 and its charging rate. you have to be on a 220v system and charger to get above 5a constant charging current (for my 117 volt bike anyways, it might be higher amps for a 52v system)

[@MikeHoncho884]

The P 61 would be my favorite. I would like to find a good quality electric moped or even no paddles at all just pegs. Does anyone have any suggestions for one with no petals just pegs??

[@the48thronin97]

That's no longer a bike, it's an electric motorcycle at that point.

[@sobebikes3225]

Hey Kyle how do I leave a deposit for the Watt Wagon?

[@Area13ebikes]

That can be done on our website. boltonebikes.com/collections/wattwagons

[@CrazyTruckinS10]

I bought the Madmods Cafe. They recently just jacked up the price. And people who have placed orders 4 months ago still haven't got theirs. I ordered mine in Dec, got it 2 weeks later.....I... Madmods weights 116lbs YEAH!

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[@johnw65]

Liked and subscribed... I think I lean more toward the Bee Cool Challenger at 750W48V30AH60miles and 110 lbs $2199

[@jbwjr54]

Oh boy, that was crazy! WattWagon that’s nuts!

[@williamwilhite9193]

Complete the cool look Kyle, baseball cap flipped around.

[@wb7370]

Thank you very much for these ebikes reviews on the newer ebikes , your the best person explaining ebikes on KZbin today,and I watch everyone, knowledge is power,I was interested in the mad mod,but not no more....guess I'm going with the metal gear motors of the areial rieder....thanks

[@Area13ebikes]

I appreciate that!

[@craigapelbaum1629]

All the bikes look very nice. Especially the SONDORS and the other one, which I can't remember the name that you said it to be auctioned off to the highest bidder. Not including me. I can't afford it. Have a good evening.

[@MicheleBohmke]

In my town that would have every cop giving the ebikes the old stink eye 😀

[@electricbikeretrovintage]

Did someone ever bought a Cooler King eBikes?

[@allenm00]

Im surprised that no one makes an electric recumbent bike. Ive seen plenty of electric trikes. I converted my old BikeE to an E-BikeE. It's comfortable and unique.

[@greensavant2573]

I converted a Lightning Phantom in 2011. 359w rear hub, and I have to turn off electric on gravel...it wants to fishtail! No problems with my Trident Trikes E-Spike though, love that trike!

[@robertcurtis3807]

Crazy. I have been riding motorcycles for years. I had an ebike, and 98% of the time it would death wobble at 31-32mpg. Now they have e-bikes that go 70mph, and the bike is like 80lbs; that is deathly.

[@Marilynlovesebiking]

MY husband has a Cheetah and loves it. He says it is a lot of fun. Wow, over a 100 pounds for an ebike. No thanks.

[@mikewade777]

Only as good as their battery beyond that they're useless. So any customer should consider their average distance they travel.

[@JAHDUBProductions]

I'd rather have a motorcycle style ebike. I hate mountain bike seats. Way more uncomfortable. I would get the sonders. And who gets that style ebike to pedal it. The pedals are just a law loophole. Sonders is still the best of those. And a tad cheaper than the new super 73. Yours looks pretty cool .

[@allenm00]

The headlight isn't upside down. It's meant to be viewed as you fly over the handlebar. 😂

[@larryjanson4011]

40 pounds is for a down hill flyer. ( go yo a ski resort in the summer and fly down the very danger's hills). hack my very old school full boninger bike is great for the trails, and is under 20 pounds. even my skinny tire bike is almost that. both are pre disk brakes.

[@luxuriousforce]

Still waiting for one company to hit the mark. All of these look uncomfortable and impractical. I’d love it if someone made an e-super cub version . I know there is a Shanghai customs, but are they ACTUALLy making a bike? 5 years and never seen one in the wild…either in person or on video, also doesn’t have pedals. I want one that I can easily customize, comfy for a person of any size, ability to hop on and off easily, easy to charge and easy to upgrade for faster longer speeds. Suru was also headed in a good direction but never made it

[@FATHMAT]

I think the Cheetah looks the best

[@goobfilmcast4239]

I do not want to sound like a scold...but this class of e-Moto bikes (the pedals aren't fooling anyone) are going to get "classic-frame" Class 1 and 2 e-bikes more closely regulated and even outlawed in lots of communities throughout the US. I have already seen "kids" in Florida ripping down the sidewalk, bike paths and trails at 30+ MPH. Full disclosure: I have a RAD Rover 5 with an upgraded color display and controller and love the idea of e-biking in general. I used to think that many Euro Countries had too many restrictions on e-bike speeds and motor outputs....look for it t happen here as less responsible riders take to the streets.

[@Thegeordiemonkey]

Damn that watt bike is sexy af, wish we could get it in the UK but would be illegal.

[@rv10pro]

Your new haircut looks like you gave up with self cut and went Great Clips.

[@GlowRiderzEntertainment]

You missed the Micargi cyclone and micargi twenty5 GT-tracer I’ll ride a twenty5 GT-tracer any day

[@debemccarty2763]

I LOVE the cheetah!!!!! Saving all my pennies ;)

[@justed4131]

The Cheetah wins hands down in my reality Kyle! I'll take comfort and the scenic route over police chases and confiscation any day of the week!!!

[@electricbikeretrovintage]

My Cheetah has a front wheel motor of 1500w.

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

if only one of this bikes was made for us 6 foot plus linebacker type of guys(6'5" 380 lbs) I would get one specially when we want to take a bike instead of a car(30 miles or less)

[@FATHMAT]

Wow I feel like a fatty mine, an X-treme ebike is 250 lbs

[@jimstephenson3961]

The Cheetah looks the most comfortable.

[@hamzterix]

I make sure to keep my ebike looking like an ebike and not a wanna be motorcycle. It looks ridiculous when you start pedaling a "motorcycle" You like motorcycle look? Get one.

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[@JAHDUBProductions]

That's the definition of a moped. Motor pedals. Those bikes were e mopeds. The original motorcycles were basically bike. But no one buys this style to pedal anyway. Pedals so you don't have to register them. You can't ride a sur Ron on the streets because of no pedals. I would get that. The Delfast is the best mountain bike style one.

[@gregorybolin4672]

90?

[@mjweissman6309]

112 lbs

[@mikemasters4568]

But The Mad Mod Is a Momo Shocker. The Other Bikes are Not !!!

[@tunatony]

The Mad Mods weighs 116 lbs...needs to go on a diet✌️

[@tjgrafiks]

so it's 2022. where's the wattwagon lol

[@jethroorhtej4126]

116 lbs. Is a deal breaker.

[@perfectdpi6068]

My brakes say Zoom on left and right

[@FightFilms]

No. They are fast mobility scooters. Maybe not the one you built.

[@mikemasters4568]

Also My Mad Mod Does 28 Mph.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

What a bunch of monstrosities

[@justed4131]

The Cheetah wins hands down in my reality! I'll take comfort over police chases and confiscation every day of the week!!!

[@detmer87]

Damn those are ugly 😂

[@모빌란트]

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[@MrMccurley]

electric motorcycles ain't no joke... ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hofZYYGMgauDn8k

[@DivergentDroid]

All Garbage. Batteries are mega expensive and they have very little range, take Hours to charge and little power. I used a 1500 watt 48 volt ebike for 10 years. I got sick of the BS. Bought a 150cc gas scooter that is faster has way more range way more power and is very quick and cheap to fuel. I won't consider electric again until the price comes down to match gas bikes, can be charged in minutes, has proper power and range.. thats not gonna happen for another 20 years.

[@hafijulislam3587]

Fras বাংলাদেশের leghe the

[@mrtechie6810]

Bet it will come in 5 years. 10 years max.

[@ig5501]

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