Bombshell Article Reveals TONS About Deshaun Watson and the Browns

Did you read the bombshell article by Jason Lloyd at The Athletic? On today's Cleveland Browns Podcast, we discuss the article and the reports from players and personnel within the Browns locker room and organization. It all explains what we just witnessed in 2024. Get entertaining Browns news with the #1 Cleveland Browns podcast -- Cleveland Browns Podcast for January 15, 2025.
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[@StSmith-g5v]

Nah f* that all yall defended Watson for 2 years 😂😂😂

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Yep, we did. Because all the stuff available was speculation. Now we're actually getting players speaking out about him on top of his play on the field being historically bad.

[@smercxz]

I’m guilty as well. But even before he went down I threw the white towel in on him early in the season. As a browns fan of course I was rooting for my teams qb to succeed there wasn’t enough of a sample size to make a premature judgement between the suspension and injury. This year was his final straw and I just didn’t see what I wanted to. I never liked the trade to begin with I wanted Baker, Baker loved it here he wanted to be a Brown and build it the right way but it didn’t go that way I blame Haslam or Depo they are the reason for this mess.

[@StSmith-g5v]

@@TheDawgsPodcast a red flag is a red flag you ignored it because you thought he was something that he wasn’t the same signs and red flags that was there after 6 games are the same signs after 19 games imo

[@GRASSNBASS]

These goof balls on this channel constantly DEFEND STEFANSKI

[@anthonypa8045]

​@@StSmith-g5vexactly after the first 6 games in cleveland. You could see he was not the same player, then the following year even though the defense carried him to a 4-1 record if you watched or even looked at the stats, you could clearly see he was TERRIBLE, now after this year it just confirms what the real football guys (me and you) have been saying since 2022... be happy they admitted they were wrong though. It's progress, I'll give this channel another shot.

[@wolfc7280]

I dont think it was a matter of Watson being unable to learn the system. He didn't want to learn the system or make adjustments to HIS game.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Yeah, that's how I took it to mean too.

[@2500BC]

Yea, sadly he aint got no game. At the same time even before the shoulder in 23 he was not impressive at all. It looks like he was done by ‘23

[@jackhoyle4743]

I agree he didn't want to learn, but I propose he also wasn't capable. I think Watson is truly stupid. Bill O'Brien covered for him.

[@wolfc7280]

@jackhoyle4743 I think you're right

[@anthonypa8045]

​@@2500BCyes you could tell that deshaun was bad way before the surgery. The stats were bad, and the film was even worse. Even when defense could carry him... you could see deshaun was a bottom 5 qb. All traditional stats confirmed that too.

[@jermainehouston2425]

To me, Lloyd was not saying anything that we all wasn’t talking or speculating 🤔 about for months, or 2 years really based on how Deshaun played. No surprise 😲 to me.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Nope, no surprises except now we have anonymous players speaking out about it to confirm everything we'd been saying all season long.

[@jermainehouston2425]

@ It’s just like we were saying all along. I believe that he was injured 🤕 before the season started and was never recovered. Then, throwing the ball 🏈 injured 🤕 just made it worse and the Achilles tendon injury just finished everything. Nothing we didn’t say before. It’s like the old saying, “Men lie, Women lie, but the film 🎞️ doesn’t”.

[@MaxC-rf5ss]

Should be a surprise, when he got injured they still didn't win, so stop using him as an excuse.

[@MaxC-rf5ss]

​@@jermainehouston2425just shut up pretending to be smart, you only knew anything, cause you heard it somewhere else

[@jermainehouston2425]

@ You can tell who is a troll and not a real Browns fan. Because you can put everything together and understand why they didn't win. The season was doomed before the first game. It is about Deshaun for the last two years. That is how you can tell who a real Browns fan is and who is a troll. The article just confirms what most Browns fans was thinking.

[@2500BC]

An NFL GM confirmed recently that he saw Watson constantly looking to bill obrien before each play for help during joint practice. The AB and KS believed DW was coachable and he is not.

[@whitehallfrank]

I always accepted Watson, but I know they gave up on Mayfield too soon. Be that as it may, Watson has proved to be THE worst trade in the history of NFL football. "EVER" Why is everyone so insistent on a QB when our offensive line is an injury disaster from the first week. Get a free agent QB, draft a left tackle, a guard, and draft a QB next year. SImmons (hurt), Banks, or any of the first 6 left tackles is better than Willis. Defensive tackles are deep in this draft, offensive tackles are not. But, never let Watson on the Browns playing field again.

[@epsmith19]

Wow. Dont yall feel foolish for your delusional loyalty and support of Watson for 3 yrs?

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Eh yes and no. We prefer to base that kind of stuff on actual facts and inside information rather than fan base speculation. It’s one thing for fans to say he doesn’t care about football, it’s another for players to tell the media things that make it pretty clear he didn’t really care. Either way, new information, new outlooks, new year. And there will be an entirely new QB room now too.

[@anthonypa8045]

For real smith! I tried telling them for over a year deshaun was terrible and they would defend him like he was still a top 30 qb in the nfl 😂 happy that they finally admitted they were wrong about watson in this video. Takes a big man to admit they were wrong especially when there is video proof of them trying to tell fans that deshaun is a still a good qb.

[@epsmith19]

@@anthonypa8045 right. You didn't need "inside info" to know he was bad, you only needed eyes. Yet they went on defending him and his sexual assaults

[@someperson8151]

​@@TheDawgsPodcastlive long enough you figure out human nature and how people interact with each other. I've had the benefit of living in many places and working and living around a lot of good and a lot of bad people. You'll get a better read of situations the more experience you get in life. Some people on here have that insight. You'll be there one day.

[@drewbell5260]

Steeler fan here. sure I'm not so welcome. but I like Stefanski. I'd keep him. Callahan was a huge loss. I know I sure miss Mike Munchak. Leveon Bell realized what life was like behind a line Not coached by Munchak. Those top tier o-line coaches are simply irreplaceable. Ya'll should be able to get a good qb at #2. With lamar and burrow in our division, it's brutal. Good podcast. Take care.

[@GRASSNBASS]

You want us to KEEP Stefanski bc it keeps us as the worst team in division

[@kevindaniels9943]

Congrats on the baby you are the best thing about this show your insight 😊

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Much appreciated! Excited to bring another Dawg into the fan base!

[@James-e3m4x]

I’m not a Browns fan just live in the area I’m actually not a fan of any particular team love the NFL in general like good football. I’m going to be honest about it thought getting Watson might be a good idea he played like a top five QB at times in Houston I liked Baker but thought WATSONS ceiling was higher.But I hated the way they treated Baker they appeared to try to ruin his career for some odd reason and I was skeptical of how much we were paying Watson especially since he had the off field issues and we assumed he might be suspended for awhile his first season I also didn’t like giving all those draft picks up .My fears were obviously right the picks and the money has destroyed this team probably for sometime now.

[@JohnSwidas-dj6lz]

After hearing all of this. Watson was lazy and selfish. I have no empathy for him. He got back what he gave. Just wanted the money

[@aaronclay4665]

idk man....cle has a history of players like this, and injuries.......sometimes i just wondered if we are cursed.

[@Wholelotta_Pressure]

@@aaronclay4665we learned that we are not cursed wen the Cavs won. We just need better qb play

[@anthonypa8045]

​@@aaronclay4665baker won us a playoff game, flacco took us to playoffs. No curse just deshaun was HORRIBLE 197th out of 201 qbs since 1999 in epa. Historically bad qb play from watson.

[@basher5107]

Starting out with 8 minutes of BS is annoying,not dissing your kids your heat or pimping FB or subscriptions just get on with your take,just my opinion…..

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Well if you’ve ever run a business, a podcast or talk show or anything, you know the bills don’t pay themselves. And KZbin has a fantastic feature that lets you skip ahead in the video.

[@basher5107]

@ I listened to the first couple minutes and I was like man how long can we not talk about what you put up,8:00 minutes! Not bashing you I get all the like and subscribe notification bell but my god get to it already!

[@TimMullins2]

The only activity that is better than making a Browns video on a day that your furnace stopped working is the activity of fixing your furnace.

[@anthonypa8045]

I can't believe how right I was about this, go back and check my comments from over a year ago, I told you that deshaun was complete trash, if u watched any games from 2022 or 2023, you should have been able to see how bad he was, on top of watching, the individual passing stats were horrible those years too, which yall chose to ignore as well. I was just speculating when I said "no way his teammates think he gives us the best chance to win, I bet his teammates don't even like him after how poorly he has played" but it turns out I was 100% correct about that too, many teammates and coaches have already spoke up about this dislike of deshaun. This is the ultimate "told ya so" happy yall admitted you guys were wrong a couple times this video, for real! Appreciate that because we had some nasty back and forths while u guys kept defending deshaun 😂

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

The difference is most of the Deshaun hate was fueled by other things and not based on anything evidential, which we try not to engage in doing ourselves. But now there are players coming out and talking about the situation, so that definitely changes things. We don't mid speculating, obviously we have to speculate about a lot of things too. But we just can't take speculation and run with it as concrete facts until something comes out to verify that speculation. Either way, Deshaun is done in Cleveland and we're mercifully moving into the next era of Browns football.

[@matthewweber5601]

Be easy, you’ll break your shoulder patting yourself on the back! Any person with 2 eyes, and 2 brain cells to rub together saw and knew this from the beginning 😂😂😂

[@James-e3m4x]

I doubt Haslim was the main instigator to get Watson I believe it was Berry ,the million dollar question is how much was Kevin on board for WATSON . I think Berry should’ve been fired in the middle of the season and let the new GM deal with Kevin and It’s not just the Watson deal it’s a combination of everything he does he’s mediocre at best.

[@anthonypa8045]

Yes berry terrible draft record also makes me believe this move was more on andrew berry. He is the gm and he has been so bad at every part of his job. He should've been fired by now

[@jamessanders6788]

If it was Berry, I think he would have been fired by now.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

If Berry was the main guy, why hadn’t he been fired for misuse of $230M?

[@someperson8151]

​@@TheDawgsPodcastthere are a lot of front office personnel who are elated to have gotten rid of Baker Mayfield that he's gotten a pass in the debacle. Lot of Buckeye alums are butthurt with the flag planting.

[@phukoffe8587]

This team doesn’t deserve another dollar or ounce of support until someone in the org gets in front of the media, stands up and takes accountability for the Watson trade. It’s one thing to be a pathetic loser organization but the fact that they think they can just continue on without taking responsibility makes my blood boil and everyone involved should be unemployed.

[@GRASSNBASS]

Jason Lloyd article MADE Stefanski look HORRIBLE! You guys have been WRONG about STEFANSKI all along. NO more excuses for Kevin PROVE it or LOSE it for Stefanski. He’s on HOT seat to START season

[@GRASSNBASS]

2nd in penalties last year. 1st in penalties this year and dead last in TO differential this year. Top 11 in turnovers all 5 seasons under Stefanski. Kevin coddles certain players and 40-44 1-2 playoffs but your channel still defends Stefanski. Y’all are Stefanski CAPE drapers!

[@HeathLawrence-o6h]

Gave up at 5 minutes of self promotion

[@jubelraye3782]

FF is your friend

[@HeathLawrence-o6h]

@jubelraye3782 i dont disagree but if i engage with the video and you choose not to set the hook for 5 minutes i can get the information somewhere else

[@2500BC]

I just double tap the right side of the screen until its over. A lot of yt vids require that

[@stilldaclowns24]

Garrett wanting out just proves how pathetic this ownership and front office is. All Truck Stop Jimmy wants is a new stadium so he can make more money. Berry is a yes man who is clueless how to judge real NFL talent. What a s**t show!! SELL THE TEAM JIMMY you are not a competent owner....

[@michaelsullivan5722]

Thanks for that comment. Every year everyone talks about getting this player or that coach while I scream that Haslam should be forced to sell the team first. He doesn't know what he's doing. That fact the league let him buy a franchise with his lack of background is a joke. Nothing is going to change until Haslam is gone.

[@LordJammer3000]

Jason needs to find something else to do, to continue running down Deshaun Watson is kicking a dead horse 😢

[@smercxz]

Honestly forget Watson. I want Abdul Carter, Jalen Milroe/Jaxson Dart, and Henderson out of this draft by all means. If not Henderson at least Devin Neal or Kyle Monangai smaller guys with ELITE vision and contact balance. They will be good backs Bucky has shown us don’t outcast these archetypes Edit: I’d also really I mean REALLY want Will Howard, he’s pro ready and ppl don’t realize it yet. Watch his tape he goes through his progressions pretty well and his footwork is BEAUITFUL. And his accuracy is up there with the best. The way his feet are married to his shoulders that’s elite stuff right there. It’s gonna sound weird but he’s like a mobile Phillip rivers in my eyes

[@Wholelotta_Pressure]

I hope the patriots do us a solid & let us get Joe Milton on this roster. He has the build & arm fir this division

[@michaelsullivan5722]

If he couldn't learn the system, then he's stupid because Flacco got off his couch and learned it in a week. If he didn't WANT to learn the system, then why didn't they gather that before they signed him? Either way, the owner, GM and coach of the Cleveland Browns have as much football and business sense as a rock.

[@kevinrb9532]

Because of the salary cap issue many of the good players will be leaving (It sure would help the team if they had three good 1st round players on a rookie contract). Like it or not, the once great OL is aging. I hate seeing Myles Garrett's Hall of Fame career being wasted on this team. Since they have no choice but to rebuild, they should trade Garrett to a contender, for his sake.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

The Browns will actually be in just fine cap situation this year again. AB takes a lot of crap for things, but one thing you can't knock him for is his salary cap method.

[@anthonysmith2084]

With the article, I'm more shocked that most browns social media peps. Even you guys want to keep Kevin. He has no backbone and the team shows it by being one of the worst penalty teams during most of Kevin's years he's coached. He doesn't hold players accountable, and you just proved it. I can hear Kevin now. Little Johnny i know you're trying really hard. You can do this. Please try to do better okay 😂. And you guys still want him. What a joke. Good a play calling, no pride, soft, spineless head coach.

[@scottyjordan3036]

Why as a guy sitting on a sofa at home Did I know exactly how this would work out the second I heard of the trade? Why would u give THAT guy even in Houston that kind of money? he wasn't that great and who knows if its gonna work,

[@jackhoyle4743]

Death threat? It's sports/entertainment! Totally inappropriate. Now, tar and feathers...

[@DanAubihl]

Is that a tornadoes helmet? Go Dover!

[@LordJammer3000]

At this point it is counter productive to continue running down Deshaun Watson he ain't playing for the browns anymore only in Cleveland would it be controversial to try to center the offense around the QB 😂

[@jasonleonard5216]

Josh, grab yourself a pair of bum gloves. You can still type. I swear by mine.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Bum gloves? That's not going to get me in trouble in my search history, is it?

[@jasonleonard5216]

@@TheDawgsPodcast fingerless gloves. I just call them bum gloves

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Hahaha okay okay, now I'm flowing with you.

[@allenmitchell3770]

A new born baby, At a cold House doesn't mix. Listen dad get your phone is fix first before you bring your baby home.

[@Parkeastgroupinc]

Go Packers. I’m out as a Browns fan

[@trippeddownthestairs8238]

Jason Lloyd's article explains EXACTLY why the Browns need to blow everything up! According to Jason Lloyd, Kevin Stefanski FAILED to coach Deshaun Watson. My guess is that he is too much of a weak, soft, and pathetic beta male that he couldn't handle a confrontation with Deshaun Watson, so he instead chose to let the entire team fail. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION whatsoever for Kevin Stefanski to keep his job. He is a loser on the football field. He has 3 losing seasons in 5 years, ZERO division titles, and ZERO playoff wins (Mike Priefer won that playoff game). Kevin Stefanski's leadership, motivational, and communication skills are all piss poor. And the culture that HE SETS is absolutely toxic. I don't want to hear another word about "a mulligan'. Paul DePodesta, Andrew Berry, and Kevin Stefanski should all be fired right now, without hesitation!

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

It could also mean he was instructed by his boss not to critique Watson in front of the team. Say what you want, coaches should be men and buck the system, blah blah blah, but I guarantee most people wouldn't tell their bosses to shove it when given a direct order. Which is what most likely happened here.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@TheDawgsPodcast the greatest coach of all time didn't ever give a crap about what Robet Karft had to say. Bill was the coach fo the tram not the owner. Kevin is too week of a coach it was apprebt way back with OBj and came back up with Amaris purposeful drops. He has no back bone & no one the tram repsects him as coach.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

So in your world, Kevin Stefanski is bad and yet should also be compared to Bill Belichick?

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@TheDawgsPodcast I have better qeustion for who the coach of the team Halsem or Kevin? Cause right now ever csn see its actually haslem calling all the shots for where the coach should be doing it. Coach isn't coaching the teamthe owner ow coaching thw team a person that has no clue about anything with the team. Yet you completely failed see the point of my comment.

[@GRASSNBASS]

I couldn’t have said it BETTER! There are ZERO excuses for STEFANSKI yet this CHANNEL is the BEST for STEFANSKI apologetics

[@FoxxyBrown1111]

SB. Lolz.

[@MarkMaletic-b7l]

You know, I agree.He was really bad. But now you all are point.Ing fingers like you did with the previous quarterback. And he led the league in touchdowns. And got his team to the playoffs for the second year in a row. While the browns are pointing fingers at each other and making excuses. 😅😅😅😅 And I'm laughing so hard at all.Your stupidity.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

When did Baker lead the league in TDs in Cleveland? I just remember the 17TD/13INT injury season. And he definitely didn't take us to the playoff two years in a row...hmm...oh you mean Tampa Bay! Did you know he also leads the league in INTs and fumbles, one of those which cost the Bucs the playoff game? Interesting indeed.

[@SaraDeppening]

It took Bakey three teams to mature. But keep wiping out the context that counters your point.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@SaraDeppening no it didn't.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​​@@TheDawgsPodcast yeah & right now baker thrown for 4,000+ yards and 41 touch downs hes 3td in TDs & second in yards. He also with his 71% acccury puts him a third in accury for qbs, but i guess hes still bum even though that puts him in the top 3 qb stats this year. Cleveland could not see taleblnt if was standing infront of then. The team still has an inconsistance problem that you claimed was Bakers problem but it wasn't Its deep down team problem that refuses to go away. All signs point to haselm being the inconsisant issue maker.

[@TheDawgsPodcast]

Who said Baker is a bum? You need to chill, and also you can't copy and paste BM2024 stats into the Browns and think that's what would've just magically happened in 2022, 2023 and 2024 in Cleveland. Sometimes, events in life shape your outcome. I believe Baker playing terrible football and almost being out of the league helped him grow into the guy he is now. Also, he still leads the entire NFL in turnovers, so some things are still the same.

[@molonlabe9635]

I think the Browns will come to an injury settlement and DE retires. I don’t think there is a team that will pick him up because of his off the field 💩 and his on the field play is bad.