phenagen.blogsp... 16 September of 1982 The Commercial Zone Era. R.I.P. JJ Jackson Thanks to Steve Lodge.
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@sratus2 жыл бұрын
Hats off to the only man I've seen keep control of a PIL interview
@paulgardner9763 Жыл бұрын
Yep, I thought that ! Very cool !
@AlexanderLaurence Жыл бұрын
Very sad to hear the brilliant Keith Levene has died. What a legacy he left. His guitar playing on the first PIL records was the blueprint.
@swerdna1206911 жыл бұрын
This is probably the most comfortable PiL interview I've seen.
@hamburgerhelperflick6 жыл бұрын
It's because the host doesn't condescend to them like Tom Snyder. He's on their level and he talks to them like what they have to say is important.
@dimbulb11784 жыл бұрын
hamberderhelper He was the only MTV veejay who could’ve done this interview. JJ Jackson drove Led Zeppelin around The States during their first US tour. He was a real music guy.
@hashamulhaq1112 жыл бұрын
I think they respect that the interviewer holds his own around the 11 minute mark Aswell
@donsolis12 Жыл бұрын
you got that right lol
@davidellis51413 жыл бұрын
This is as chill as John has ever been & as talkative as Keith has. Good job by JJ.
@fpicc88077 жыл бұрын
JJ handled that very diplomatically considering Johnny would make interviewers sweat and go on the defense.
@XellKamikaze11 жыл бұрын
It's a shame Keith didn't get more attention. The guy was very charismatic judging by this interview, and he understood the psychology of making intriguing tunes. His guitar style is one of a kind!. A true post-punk guitar hero, for lack of a better term. I'm sure he'd cringe at that though.
@jonesy21116 жыл бұрын
He's a truly underrated and innovative musician
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
he's a musical virtuoso
@glennoc85852 жыл бұрын
In earlier interviews he was like a mute.
@whalemedicine Жыл бұрын
RIP Keith 😢
@bencolemanart6 жыл бұрын
JJ Jackson is very chill. I like his vibe a lot. No wonder these two were so reasonable in his presence.
@jamesgretsch48946 жыл бұрын
JJ Jackson was a heck of an interviewer. He was genuine. Kurt Loader on the other hand they would have walked out on him in a New York Minute, literally.
@miked31685 жыл бұрын
James Gretsch loder is a smug twat
@iamnotcoolandproud12 жыл бұрын
The best PiL Interview ever. Keith has plenty of valid points to make, the interviewer knows shit about them and respects them, and when Lydon does speak he's at his best.
@Wearenotreallyhere9 ай бұрын
John is so perceptive, he’s much more relaxed with JJ than he is usually in interviews because he seemingly likes him. Says more about most interviewers than it does about Johnny. Johnny’s one of the most sincere genuine people that’s ever existed in music and most just can’t handle that!
@danielnewman34282 жыл бұрын
This interview was so good because they all respected and considered each others opinions. Too many times the interviewer looks to interrogate Lydon and doesn't give a dam about his opinions, JJ did so well.
@merbac6 жыл бұрын
JJ is smooth. Not intimidated by John or Keith who can be rather snarky.
@diegoloera4356 жыл бұрын
Gotta respect the interviewer for not backing down. In fact, he actually makes them feel like regular guys.
@stevezilla682 жыл бұрын
I have seen dozens of interviews with John Lydon, and it's amazing to me how differently he behaves here on this MTV set because he genuinely respects JJ Jackson.
@jamesgretsch48946 жыл бұрын
I think John Lydon and Levene are in shock that JJ Jackson's interview is actually quality unlike most the other interviewers that came before him.
@TheDunzweiler Жыл бұрын
JJ definitely handles Lydon extremely well in this interview, gives him just enough stroke to keep him smirking. These two gentleman could smell “the man” a mile away. JJ Jackson was a class act! RIP Keith :/
@buzzbuzzerson3592 Жыл бұрын
Great interview. JJ Jackson did a great job!
@ronbo1112 жыл бұрын
I really liked this interview. It was interesting to hear the chatter before and after the official Q&A started, John Lydon was actually somewhat "friendly" and Keith Levene was a revelation to me. I think J.J. did a great job and I just wish PIL had stuck together (and gotten Wobble back) - they were great but could have contributed so much more.
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
That's true I'll say working with John over time would be a nightmare
@guynelson23412 жыл бұрын
For me, Keith Levene is one of the unsung guitar heroes of the twentieth century.
@shilohxo92912 жыл бұрын
Yes
@glenmiles62792 жыл бұрын
Yes,he even said,”I’m acting now”.
@pattycifra20768 жыл бұрын
Shut yer gob, Bette Bleu, and the rest of you who made ignorant comments here. You're the unpleasant ones! If you were actually LISTENING to the interview, John's not rude once. He is friendly with JJ, smiles and jokes, and answers all the questions intelligently. He's quiet and contemplative at times when he's lost in thought, which I find fascinating to watch, because John's a deep thinker. He's lived an insanely intense life. And yeah, he jokes that he's been acting all his life, cause he's been a stage performer since age 19 with the Pistols, and has had fame thrust upon him unexpectedly at such a young age. It always makes me sad to John and Keith together, two brilliant, talented young artists who were close friends, and then sadly the friendship / partnership fell apart. They seemed so right together. Hope they have, or will, make peace one day. It's fascinating that there exist two versions of PiL to this day, performing in front of audiences. What a fantastic band. Thanks for the brilliant music you created, John and Keith. Much love to ya both.
@voyeurcoma6386 жыл бұрын
Patty Cifra this is the best comment I have ever read on KZbin, your a purveyor of the truth.
@jonesy21116 жыл бұрын
Absolutely... Johnny isn't an easy interview but is always a good one... he is able to express himself in a very honest way
@MahatmaLevolence5 жыл бұрын
Lydon was a rent boy at the House of Commons, he's a liar.
@Bpg5012trick5 жыл бұрын
@@MahatmaLevolence only a rent boy could know what an other rent boy is doing.
@MahatmaLevolence5 жыл бұрын
@@Bpg5012trick Not necessarily true if you research King Mob, who and what they were and which members were servicing politicians, primarily in the House of Commons.
@JRDStv10 жыл бұрын
11:39 well MTV is definitely not that now, just all about teenage pregnancys
@Gerkinstock9 жыл бұрын
Jay Smith JJ Jackson was the only person at MTV who could have pulled off this interview. He was the ultimate pro. Very smart, very perceptive, very knowledgable, not intimidated at all by interviewing smart people who will suffer fools gladly (or won't suffer them gladly, whatever the correct phrase is).
@kathy19777813 жыл бұрын
Keith was really into this interview, and yes he was talking with a lot of enthusiasm. He always tried to be the voice of reason, even when Lydon went off on the interviewer.
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
probably a major factor in why he left
@Tomversal Жыл бұрын
According to Lydon, Levene was hard to work with - I think that's bollocks (excluding the drugs)
@kathy19777811 ай бұрын
@@Tomversal Tom I worked with him from 2011 through early 2016. Keith was a perfectionist. He worked long 30 hour days on everything that came out of the CZ2014 project (as he says he did during Commercial Zone) not just in Prague but also in Florida and London. He was always professional, hard working, dedicated and motivated to do the best possible work. It showed in the work. Thank you for ignoring the bollocks.
@user-kl4bh4lq6r3 ай бұрын
Being to kool for Skool with the Cigarette's 🚬🚬
@jasmineblack9778 Жыл бұрын
it was so exciting as a teenager watching PIL play music & watching their interviews
@Eire_Go_Deo3 жыл бұрын
God I love watching them smoke and relax and chat before the official Q&A.
@campbellfiles90197 жыл бұрын
Why 5 people didn't like this? JJ is a great interviewer
@Utuber-hk9xj6 жыл бұрын
Bw Campbell Nothing wrong with the interviewer, the interviewees made it very difficult for him, Johnny Rotten has a different attitude these days I would say!
@marguitar313511 жыл бұрын
Amazing how the interviewer said MTV is a "rock and roll" channel. My, how things change.
@Eleventhearlofmars6 жыл бұрын
Mar Guitar it used to stand for music television but does it still play any music? I’ve heard it’s all silly pregnant teenagers shows and reality shit today. Not that I’d want to hear any of todays corporate crappy music.
@rotallyPumpered Жыл бұрын
Great interviewer. They come off so spikey and dismissive at first, but really grow to appreciate his respect and genuine interest. Like watching a world-class negotiator.
@LuiePool Жыл бұрын
Wow, I think that from a certain point in the video Johnny started to respect J.J.. And enjoy him.
@MrDoremouse11 жыл бұрын
Lol when the camera lingers on Lydon when Keith is talking away 10 minutes in. It's Johnny whose hard to interview. J.J.Jackson deserves a medal.
@joeyfrederick91568 жыл бұрын
The last 5 minutes of this interview almost made me cry; "Oh, what MTV could have been!" Back in the days when they actually played music videos, you could see a PiL video, then Olivia Newton-John, then Rainbow, then Roxy Music, then some artist I never hear of but found interesting...now it's all--ugh!--reality shows and stupid game shows...SOB!
@sexobscura5 жыл бұрын
There wasn't the plethora of clips to play then - MTV made the video industry flourish
@chogokin6666 ай бұрын
The future was better in the past. I like the way you put it. From soup to nuts, the possibities were endless. Now it's utter shite.
@stevegasparutti83412 жыл бұрын
I love the way john slightly mellows with each interview - He was the ultimate wind-up - i doubt anyone quite got it - even his fans. Genius. JJ got it, poor old Tom Snyder didnt
@chogokin6666 ай бұрын
I think Tom in his corny way was quite good with them. But yes it was much more adversarial.
@davedogge2280 Жыл бұрын
I knew the face for many years as the 2nd promotional guy for PiL but I never knew he was also from The Clash - RIP Keith Levene.
@andybiddle9088 Жыл бұрын
RIP Keith....Very sad loss indeed
@SlimyboyDave Жыл бұрын
R.I.Peace, Keith Levene 💔
@B0yardigi0rn012 жыл бұрын
These two are hilarious. Saw them live in Seattle, probably the greatest show I have ever been to.
@Neurogami13 жыл бұрын
Nice how the camera stays on Lydon even when Keith is speaking. :) Funny, too, to hear MTV considered a music channel. Once upon a time ...
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
MUSIC television
@gogoyubari366 Жыл бұрын
I always loved listening to JJ on the radio in the early 70s.
@mikesilva50853 жыл бұрын
“They cast their versions over everyone” . Lydon’s comment on UK’s journalists.
@creativeed67883 жыл бұрын
And now that has infected the whole world. Political journalism has become activism and propaganda for journalists to spread their own political views and control the "truth", and unpolitical journalists are vultures who will gladly record corpses and the misery of other people for more audiences and a quick buck. I absolute detest what journalism has become.
@susanamartins74543 жыл бұрын
It's almost an eggcorn for "cast aspersions on everyone."
@alistairmcgovern90302 жыл бұрын
Is Lyndon a new band member? Well corrected Mike Silva Lydon is correct.
@mikesilva50852 жыл бұрын
@@alistairmcgovern9030 sorry my spelling 🤦🏻♂️
@Midnightwhiskeymassacre2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Journo scum. Leopards dont change their spots do they
@tillwesenberg11782 жыл бұрын
So critical, but still supporting the tobacco industry. Love it.
@edwintorres7397 Жыл бұрын
What's with the camera refusing to include Keith when he's talking...how frustrating. Yet very PIL...to stare at John's boiling intensity while the world goes on around him. One of the most honest and brilliant minds on culture's truth and belonging that we've had, from the very beginning.
@VoodooFlintstone12 жыл бұрын
That's JJ man, he's a boss.
@JustK0093 жыл бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🍻
@user-kj1pq6zh3x Жыл бұрын
The interviewer deserves an award for his patience
@williamr3840 Жыл бұрын
An intelligent interviewer who has actually taken the time to research his interviewees! :0)
@Xcorgi11 жыл бұрын
I think the only other person that goes out of their way to make an interviewer feel as awkward as John Lydon would be Morrissey. They come from two totally diffrent styles of music but niether really like to answer anymore than half of the questions they are asked. Even so, they are still entertaining to listen to.
@johnegan75523 жыл бұрын
Thats how the Irish any question
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
It's because they're both extremely thoughtful and intelligent people
@hellion751412 жыл бұрын
And speaking of things that have changed in thirty years, it's amazing that this was an interview on MTV of all channels. The points JJ Jackson makes to defend/promote MTV are light years from its 2012 incarnation of Snookie and teen moms. Imagine! A long interview with musicians about music! On Music Television!
@Eleventhearlofmars2 жыл бұрын
It shouldn’t still be called music television or MTV.
@hellion75142 жыл бұрын
@@Eleventhearlofmars Is it still on the air?!
@matthatter28495 жыл бұрын
Gee, people think this was BAD interview with Johnny? Gee, I guess some of you haven't seen the one with Tom Synder two years earlier. Now THAT'S one where you'll want to punch Johnny in the face. He's being quite respectful here.
@mossfixx2 жыл бұрын
This was very enjoyable on my left ear!!! Thank you for this video 😁
John usually acts much like Andy Kaufman would act. He would be the Johnny Rotten character. The interviewers didn’t know what to do.
@dbomdnb2 жыл бұрын
Excellent interviewer.
@YouKnowWhereYouWentWrong Жыл бұрын
JJ was the heart and soul of MTV from 1981 to when they kicked him to the curb. He was shat on.
@MrDoremouse11 жыл бұрын
Poor J.J.Jackson. Like getting blood out of a couple of stones. No, they were very co-operative compared to some interviews I've seen. Friendly even !
@adammontre79448 жыл бұрын
John is every interviewers nightmare!
@riffattack74432 жыл бұрын
@Sissy Davis Bob Dylan 2
@ericaward7022 жыл бұрын
Not JJ’s
@Captain_Rhodes10 жыл бұрын
i love commercial zone. would have been great if they stayed together
@sexobscura5 жыл бұрын
It is great Better than the 'official' release
@kaewonf811 жыл бұрын
JJ has half a point: MTV didn't DIRECTLY control the content of videos that got made and submitted for broadcast. But it certainly controlled what got broadcast, and thereby indirectly affected how videos were conceived, produced and marketed. Hence Lydon's subsequent "we had such high hopes," remark, which was at least half in jest. In 1982 MTV had already lost any "independent" cred it may have had.
@backdoor6811 жыл бұрын
up until the mid 80's or even later it was quite common to see, on the tv and beyond ...
@liverneck200110 жыл бұрын
I believe JJ Jackson used to be on WBCN in boston at one time....
@Serum4625 жыл бұрын
Imagine having these guys in a tent.
@gv-can47182 жыл бұрын
Watching John daydream about thinking back when performing, and video - which in 1980 he was all for - but then realised how it would affect music. Profound!!
@djgforce114 жыл бұрын
& shortly after this Keith & Johnny would part ways.
@saraenneking46523 жыл бұрын
Great interview
@squirrelarch5 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does Keith Levene often sound like a young Bowie at times in this interview?
@glenmiles62792 жыл бұрын
It’s just you.
@stuartmorris62993 жыл бұрын
"How is it better?" "Well..it's one more isn't it" Spinal Tap answer
@nojabjonny3 жыл бұрын
spot on Johnny, "If you want something done PROPERLY, do it yaself".. You can't trust anybody to promote without having their own agenda.
@katoness13 жыл бұрын
Its the early days and they respect the interviewer. Great insight.
@surfboardjoker62993 жыл бұрын
my left ear is going to kill itself. It just wants love
@MisAnnThorpe13 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up. Would never have got to see it otherwise. I find it rather sad that Levene is still talking with such enthusiasm about PiL & he & Lydon seem to have a good relationship & yet it must've been only a very short while later that he and Lydon fell out leading to Keith doing a runner with the Commercial zone master tapes. I've still yet to hear the original Commercial zone as in, the white cover with the embossed PiL logo. Maybe one day I'll get lucky and find a copy.
@escaton7411 жыл бұрын
Around 10:50 Lydon seems to be fantasizing about peeling the skin off Jackson's face. Just for the fun of it. He's holding himself back though while realizing JJ has a point there.
@shaunigothictv10033 жыл бұрын
Hilarious observation and absolutely true!
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
I think he wants to do that to EVERYONE
@sithspitdanikan47252 жыл бұрын
He looks like he almost couldn't resist the urge
@willdenham Жыл бұрын
The only band that I've seen actually change the tables and start interviewing the interviewer.
@conorhealy5169 Жыл бұрын
John is being very sweet in this interview 😎
@SuperG-bb8le2 жыл бұрын
jj jackson for president
@neavewalker10433 жыл бұрын
If you watch john close enough you see he doesnt fucking blink for long periods of time... I find it very unsettling
@PostPunkFan13 жыл бұрын
Excellent interviewer. Did his research.
@adrianboyddodd800710 ай бұрын
John Lydon proved in this interview that he will be nice to you if you are nice to him. So many in the past have interviewed him with their minds made up and can't list because of it.
@ronpaul2008rocks12 жыл бұрын
One constant thing about Lydon: he thinks that the everything is wrong. Lots of things are wrong, but not everything.
@martysmith52603 жыл бұрын
I like interviewers better when they don't affect a "voice." Just having a conversation, in a conversational tone of voice - that seems so less phony.
@jocksilver7 Жыл бұрын
I did the following experiment - sped up the reeling to 1,5x and then search for clarity and understandable articulation throughout the speed marathon (no pun...). Now, JJJ and Kiff, as any person in a friendly, laidback or at least short-of-tension TV chat, tend sometimes to ''eat'' some words or consonants and vowels out of them, so that is why when the process is sped up, it turns even more evident. When Lydon speaks, the acceleration is there but the end result is quite amazing. I'd love to hear your conclusion.
@fretboardmaster702 жыл бұрын
The early days of MTV. When it was all about music ….even if some people disagreed.
@mrjones191712 жыл бұрын
really informative interview. great to see some though provoking questions asked. this was indeed a great line up of pil with half of 'brian brain'. they seem really happy together and i wonder why keith was suddenly sacked. i bought the other 'c. zone' in vancouver (levene's version), upon release.
@Wicked_R2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the views on smoking in the 80s had of been the same as today...
@bluestate6912 жыл бұрын
the thing i come away with, is that jj jackson was one hip dude.
@IvanPavlov9997 жыл бұрын
10:45 John doesn't believe a single word he's hearing :)
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
well, he is deaf, after all
@sithspitdanikan47252 жыл бұрын
He knew he had a decent point, that's why he looked like he was gonna flay him and feed him to his wife lol
@navyseals99718 жыл бұрын
After Keith Left PIL wasn't pil.
@etherealcatholic57115 жыл бұрын
Agree
@PunkSk8erGirl112 жыл бұрын
people are scared to interview jonh lydon xD
@bluebanistergirl5 жыл бұрын
AngelaJoe Armstrong who wouldn't be scared?!? 😂 look at those eyes damn
@bluebanistergirl3 жыл бұрын
@Brent F But infact no one is ignoring reality. Who has ears to hear,...hear it ........ No fear or intimidation. Maybe we know each other more than you want me to believe otherwise
@eliaol42312 жыл бұрын
@@bluebanistergirl what with his eyes ?
@niktusacid12 жыл бұрын
PIL pop era with j.mcgeoch was incredible
@adamatomic418 жыл бұрын
This was a bad period for PiL, at least as far as interviews go. It was such an interesting project and it would have been great to hear more about them and what was going on, but they were incredibly boring in interviews.
@sexobscura5 жыл бұрын
At least Keith was accommodating and answered questions properly. At the beginning you could tell Lydon was going to be yawningly stroppy
@ZINCOVIX875411 жыл бұрын
And the Oscar goes to MR.John Lydon.It really does seem to be a front he is putting on.
@MrJampot646 жыл бұрын
I agree. He always seems to be acting out this fuck you attitude. It pisses me off. I want to listen to what he say's and I agree with him on some points. I just wish he would chill out and be himself , he would be more interesting. He is making himself anxious and uncomfortable by being this way. It was ok back in 76/77 but people are getting fed up with it now. Stop this attitude nonsense John.
@rhostatton89443 жыл бұрын
back when MTV was fresh & vital!
@matthewmaurysmith24862 жыл бұрын
Yeah you definitely figure out later that John Lydon is just a really good guy deep down and a true artist and totally respectable and dedicated to his cause. If you want to find something about him to bitch about then go for it because everybody has something. But I love this guy. However, the interviews he and Keith would do around this time, voting may be the most Innovative music I've ever heard young guys like this make, were just so combative and a lot like watching a car wreck. Not really enjoyable but you couldn't take your eyes off. So it's really cool to see this , where this laid-back interviewer, who's straight up for real and gives a crap, meets John on his level and John is digging it. I dig this!!!!
@whatamalike12 жыл бұрын
I guess if lydon dropped the PiL name and continued under a different band name the anamosity towards Pil's post levene stuff wouldn't be seen as a bad thing, just different. Like how Nick cave left the birthday party and formed the bad seeds.
@sexobscura3 жыл бұрын
even if Lydon IS P.I.L
@davidellis51415 жыл бұрын
Taped for Broadcast.
@keith-leecastle67005 жыл бұрын
I love John in every form...PIL, Pistols...But I have to say...not the best looking man...His wardrobe was always immaculate...No people telling him what to wear etc...A true hero for me.
@oliviertruchon5648 Жыл бұрын
Really surprising to see a band like PIL being on MTV as this band is generally experimental and close to bands like Van Der Graff Generator, Can, Neu, Faust and Captain Beefheart than the usual rock bands MTV has in those days.
@kevinharkens352911 жыл бұрын
They always[ the interviwers] always laugh. nerves I spose.
@thureintun16875 жыл бұрын
Only interviewer who can make John under control
@thureintun16875 жыл бұрын
There three of them become like friends talking in a cafe
@fuckdeathpoisonanthrax Жыл бұрын
why tf is the audio in one headphone
@glennoc85852 жыл бұрын
I get what John was saying over the British music media. BBC basically had so much sway back then. Pirate Radio, fanzines, NME was the only Indie scene.
@whatamalike10 жыл бұрын
The thing is that lydon makes the sweeping statements and levene actually backs them up. best PR man ever!
@willdenham Жыл бұрын
This was when PIL were avoiding everything that could be seen as something a band would traditionally do, including touring. That may have hurt them a little. John may have thought it would create bloodlust in the audience.