BOOMcast #53 Special Guest AvoidingThePuddle: Let's Talk About Tekken 8

[@NinjaSlugUdder]

Nice, Bringing Aris in on the first T8 one is great. Good to see you all together.

[@NinjaSlugUdder]

Liked and subbed.

[@josepartida1711]

hey keep it down will ya?

[@jaykelley103]

​@@donny303you are virginal

[@deathcare]

Its crazy how differently Aris seems to look at these games than like the general (mostly casual/intermediate) player base. He like really knows the mechanics of the game and the history of the game but also understands what makes competitive games actually competitive and interesting.

[@BloodFireDeath_]

unbiased view, which majority of people don't even understand the concept of.

[@666slateran666]

I would say aris is the definition of biased especially in terms of tekken​@@BloodFireDeath_

[@Isaiah1234567890]

​@@666slateran666Can you give an example?

[@666slateran666]

@@Isaiah1234567890 he grew up competing in tourneys and commentating. He's a literal oldhead

[@Isaiah1234567890]

@666slateran666 I mean like a specific thing hes said thats out of touch. When he says something thats meant just in a competitive setting he usually prefaces it or implies it. Im not a tournamnet player but im pretty decent and when he says scrubs are complaining about something thats not a real issue hes usually on point and I agree.

[@gh41996]

The classic combos in Rickstah's background are so sick

[@brotatochap_7563]

Lol my eyes were peeled to that in the parts of the video I was watching.

[@ShiningSta18486]

ikr

[@AmesShareButton]

Same here. I recognize a lot of those. Brings me back.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

These were the days man…..Good times.

[@LevelUpYourGame]

When the Law Tekken 4 combo vid came on I was hella distracted

[@tekkenpunishment]

"There are guys that steal my f-ing content and put huge compilations on youtube, and they don't know that they're going to hell but they'll find out." -Aris

[@loto7197]

Sneak dissing no pants

[@kbkksh91]

@@loto7197he doesnt need to sneak diss n0pants he talks shit abt that guy every day harhar

[@IamPang]

1:05:26

[@MrTwizzy]

​@@loto7197More like TheMaskedOutsider. N0pants is literally Aris' editor

[@atpclips]

well shit

[@TheArsenalty]

Hell yeah

[@blaximum]

@TheArsenalty Good morning.

[@Apostolis444]

The legend himself

[@Devdavis32]

NOCTIS LUCIUS CAELUM

[@GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom]

I didn't even know Aris' camera still had the ability to not be green at this point LOL

[@BooAxe]

Sometimes it malfunctions and isn't green. If he shines a bright light on it up close it breaks 😢

[@Bounty2223]

​@@BooAxeAvoiding the light

[@mosswine5417]

​@@BooAxefirst one comes to mind when he fought that boss in sekiro that caused a huge flash of lightning hahahah.

[@ralleks]

😂

[@XraHuTeL1]

So happy to see Aris, I hope he will returns to commentating the game at tournaments

[@bilbobaggins7075]

unfortunately he does not dick ride bamco enough for that

[@bobbywrtm]

me too, but since he is focused on variety stuffs during covid, he is getting bigger on Twitch and getting more donations that working as commentator is kinda not worth it financially

[@vulcanh254]

​​​@@bobbywrtm He has said that he's open to it if they invite him. He just doesn't want to hop on a plane. He's not the type who's gonna go around begging to be on commentary but if some TO really wants him to commentate he's not completely against it. At least that's the vibe I'm getting. Maybe I'm way off.

[@Serggiyo]

keep hoping lul, maybe if they organized one at his house :D @@vulcanh254

[@ViperOfMino]

@@vulcanh254 From what I understand he isn't interested at all simply because he doesn't think it's fun (it's basically a one day/weekend job to him and we all know how he feels about jobs).

[@adrien_iller]

My favorite top 15 FGC podcast

[@TheElectricUnderground]

Happy to see aris return to the show! Also the throw system changes, added lag on whiff, and environmental damage are all from Aris's favorite series DOA. The DOA director worked on Tekken 8 :-)

[@Chowdizzle]

Throw changes from DOA? Brother throws can't be teched in DOA they are generally what you punish with. Not sure what part of the throw system you are referring to. Also throwing armor isn't granted extra damage in Tekken where in DOA they get significant damage increases if you throw a hold.

[@cammyshill3099]

@@Chowdizzle Well, if you use throws as punishes in Tekken 8 the throws turn either untechable or much harder to tech, so there's that. Throws are definitely buffed in this game.

[@dat1faclesdude]

this guy cant stop mentioning other games when he talks about tekken! ok we got it dude

[@loto7197]

​@@ChowdizzleI sense the tism within you

[@kbkksh91]

buffs from the cooch and teats guy? lol

[@JoIhnnyRage]

It's crazy how often Aris has had a smart outlook on each topic.

[@LemurianTime]

He's been playing for a trillion years you'd hope he would lol

[@Napstablooky]

People don't really see it but Aris is very intelligent on topics he cares about, he just acts like he's dumb and has dumb moments (like everyone does) but you can very quickly understand he's a very smart guy when you listen to him.

[@weirdo911aw]

maybe you should @ him this really kind remark on his chat when you have the time. I'm sure he'll really appreciate it

[@borponoida9161]

@@weirdo911aw Lmao another sacrifice for rip

[@justinmorsheim3942]

Except when it comes to the seeding topic. Proper seeding is "cheating" what the heck?

[@The_Humble_Hurricane]

Always a pleasure with ths crew. Especially Aris. #goat 🐐

[@AZNBeefcake]

I have to admit, i appreciate those replay channels. Any time, anywhere, i can watch a top player play my character and learn stuff. I dont have to boot up the game and search replays in tekken fighter network or whatever.

[@KhIDp0is0N]

Big nostalgia seeing all four of these guys together on a pod

[@hamidofwinterfell8002]

Yoo throwback squad! So happy tekken is thriving

[@Shovel_orz]

The video they're talking about from 9:27 is "Tekken 8's Input Buffer is NOT Broken" by Gelatin.

[@saintjasin]

I miss those long form character guides this squad used to put out. Are yall planning on putting something out like that this go-around?

[@LevelUpYourGame]

We were going to do Azucena soon but last night they said that new patch info is coming next week. So lets wait and see for a few more days

[@feerfree8986]

I'm only here because I saw a green dwarf on thumbnail, thanks for inviting him :)

[@ryangalloway3107]

Relieved to hear you say Rage Arts are too strong. Being forced to not press buttons at the end of the round in this game feels so silly.

[@rook9309]

Dude @10:20 I’ve noticed this, I never been launched punished from whiffing a jab as much as I have in T8. It’s crazy. It used to be something you had to thread the needle with electrics only, now so many characters can easily launch a whiffed jab

[@SilentSolvent]

aris on a podcast again is crazy

[@nabzzyforevah5586]

This was so fun! I enjoyed each and every second :D

[@vista1456786]

55:47 Speaking on this , for Jin did anyone find out if a secret input for to do the story mode rage art in normal gameplay exists? That RA seems kinda useful because his normal one side switches (I think haven't got 8 yet) and that story mode one didn't.

[@urielz7554]

When the topic of Azucena came up I was hoping for a discussion on the T8 newcomers. But I suppose like the balancing and other new system changes it's still fairly soon to tell. But other than that, great Boomcast as always! And having Aris is always fun!

[@trxyjxzy1075]

Rage arts not being launch punishable by every character is pretty dumb, they need to be like -50 on block. When a move ONLY loses to block it should actually lose to block.

[@CharlieMarno100]

Well said.

[@Reydriel]

I can sort of see the case for not wanting Rage Arts to be punishable by another Rage Art, but the devs should know full well that not every character has a 15f launcher so why only 15f? Make it 17f or something so that every character is guaranteed at least one launch punish lol

[@Micah-g6d]

@@Reydrielthe only logic I can think why the dev decision for make it 15f is so have the chance to still make a comebacj

[@Chowdizzle]

As someone that plays Raven who can't launch punish til -16, this is extremely rarely an issue as by the time they are in rage they are in kill range for his df4,4,3 15f punish. The only time this doesn't work is if they go into rage then gain back a bunch of grey life.

[@hdbngrscrew]

Most characters' 14f punish deals almost the dmg of the rage portion of the health, so it kills 90% of the time.

[@NicoMambino]

Lord Aris returning to the podcast is tight. 🧔🏻‍♀️

[@WeMissDimebag]

Regarding the recovery frames Aris was talking about, that video also showed that lots of moves now have more recovery on block and hit. It’s not just whiffing. I thought the extra whiff recovery was noticeable but the recovery frames on block/hit was driving me mad. Explains why inputs seem to get eaten a lot; the buffer window has moved because the moves have new recovery timings.

[@walmartian422]

I’be already gotten used to it. On launch I was dropping Lee combos for a week straight because of the extra recovery frames. Everything felt a little delayed for a while now it just feels normal.

[@Ninjasimpmunk]

I had my steam friends list hidden on T8 UNTIL I changed my steam friends list privacy settings. Then my steam friends showed up on T8

[@Salgi007]

Oh so that's how you turn it on!!

[@CharlieMarno100]

You da real MVP. 🙏🏻

[@ayosgsauce]

Surprisingly with ADHD listened to the whole thing. Y'all are great for putting this out

[@tamen5369]

I think the wall break situation is becasue after you break the wall the character is still in that same stun as a wall splat so the game allows for wall throws still

[@BlueGamerCast]

this is the first time I've seen Aris talk with another human

[@13Kr4zYAzN13]

He's been here before. He's one of the original homies with this group lol

[@ahmado9191]

Awesome watch, thanks guys!

[@sylwester7]

Regarding replays / ghosts / and all that stuff. I think it's vital to have the possibility to download famous players' ghosts and make them compete in an offline theatre mode. You know, Mechagodzilla vs Kong. Arslan vs Knee. Mainman vs Aris :o) If that's not an option right now, it totally should be.

[@knight_rayner4363]

I find that keeping everyone's matches public and not private is one of the perfect ways for everyone to be forced to get better at the game.

[@martinoy6767]

Good to see Aris. Wait you can break counter hit throws???

[@soppo_404]

on ch theyre all like 10 frame breaks

[@omaisgee123]

I ONLY played Paul in T7 and have played T8 Paul for about 80 hours so far, and I've noticed a weird delay. Let's say you start off the round immediately inputting deathfist... in T7 you can input deathfist and get the move to come out instantly if you have the timing down. In T8, I input it with the same speed and timing and will get a fwd 2. Either T7 was more lenient to buffering inputs, or T8 made it extremely strict. There's other instances with other moves but this was the most straight-forward example.

[@Lexeroid590]

Apparently it has to do with moves that require qcb/f inputs, they cannot be buffered, so they must be done with perfect timing the moment the round starts.

[@omaisgee123]

@@Lexeroid590 Are you saying they COULD be buffered in T7?

[@Lexeroid590]

@@omaisgee123 idk, I saw a video talking about It and It made sense, I'm a Bryan main and I'm constantly messing up these types of inputs

[@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox]

​@@omaisgee123 if it's tied to a stance it cant be buffered it's always been like that. So electrics cant be buffered because they go into crouch dash death fist cant be buffered because it is tied to snake step or whatever Pauls version is called. However you can buffer something like dragunovs qcb2 cuz there's no stance tied to it

[@Waffles2186]

Hell yeah love that Aris is back I hope he becomes a regular for commentating in the future.

[@Soki09]

lmao, i didnt expect to laugh so hard, for so long. Aris caught me off guard! 1:05:00

[@Aroused_Pineapple]

I think that different chars have different (sort of) OP things have made the game so that chars feel unique and you are looking out for something special in each char. I like that feeling. Even things like 12's are different for chars and new animations for df2's etc. Chars feel different and in T7 it was the same for everyone 12 df1 and m4 etc. They are pushing chars as different systems with different strengths and made a great job.

[@jefforta4717]

My cheese tech for the new mechanics is heat engager into 10 hit string to chip the hell out of them. With Raven in particular, his 10 string ends with an unblockable so it’s effective.

[@kakimotoK20]

lol that seems like a good troll

[@Scum_Dup]

Until you play against aomebody with any common sense and they low parry you mid 10 hit and punish the hell out of you😭

[@jefforta4717]

@@Scum_Dup It's even easier than that. There's 3 highs in a row that can be easily duck launched. Still, maybe 1 out of 15 players do anything other than eat it. They barely see Raven and never see his 10 hit so they don't know what to do. The couple people who have countered it usually just heat burst in the middle of it.

[@Scum_Dup]

@@jefforta4717 yeah if they dont know the matchup thats on them to just get bodied by a 10 hit😭

[@Grozdor]

1:11:11 with age comes wisdom. You go, Aris!

[@ReticularTunic7]

59:51 What did the Jack player dress up as ? Audio cut out.

[@realweirdIV]

Great pod, guys

[@rakuko]

SF4 had the replay recording "issue". it is also part of how Smug was found, etc. so idk, i guess giving them the option to make private would be the best option.

[@funkrates4778]

Can someone tell me why Aris is always peering from the shadows? I have never seen him in the light. You’d think he was a vampire.

[@snak3oiltank3r]

Thanks for the content

[@j2isndhu]

Always good to have aris

[@ilike3dalot610]

This shit takes me back man. Good shit

[@ettoreozzy9932]

16:12 and 16:20 that is pretty weird specially that after CNT the beta had nerfs on Kazuya so the Jack stuff being only touched on release is really weird, seems like it really is kinda like a reaction to people complains

[@JackBlack-ue3ou]

At 1:36:26 they talk about some tournament having 9 days long finals. Anyone know to what specfically they are referring?

[@jin4576]

I'm pretty sure they are talking about Capcom Cup. The LCQ/Finals have been running all week so far.

[@Xengard]

theres so much stuff about t8 system that no one is talking about. like if you armor and eat a hit your armor move gets to be safe on block. and some armor moves like king's b3 are really good, because you get a tornado in a jumping opponent, which is awesome agaisnt slash kicks, azucenas wr move and lee's and so on also when you are in heat mode, all air juggle damage is recoverable health, instead of the 50%

[@mosswine5417]

Just noticed the armor thing last night because I rarely use the armor move hahah.

[@Fly_Ry]

People who want more defensive options are huffing some good stuff. You've got Sidestep, sidewalk, backdash, rolldash, sway, backswing blows, parries/etc, power crush, high crush, low crush, crouch, making yourself grounded to kill time, stance-based evasion/parries, and I'm sure others I'm missing. I get that its a lil more Bunga but there's still a shit tonne of options

[@koolestkman5945]

Dragonovs running 4 is intentional. The move in the move list describes the move activated under wall splat enemy conditions

[@proinmaking]

Rickstah with the Tekkenzai combo videos - awesome to see. Good memories. I wonder what happened to Castel.

[@Sekleff]

Gotta love Aris man. Great Episode thanks guys. :)

[@KF7FDB]

The ghost is pretty awesome at practicing defense if you use it in that way. It's dumb to try to simply just beat it because it lacks defensive capabilities but for learning a character's cheap stuff, just download any red or purple ghost and practice defense.

[@walmartian422]

Yea it’s alot of fun so far it’s good for learning how to block things even if they aren’t as quick as a real player and also good for trying to learn how to play a new character and you don’t really feel comfortable fumbling around online using a character that you can barely control.

[@Ramborc86]

I missed these and this panel so much. Good shit yall keep em coming! And leave king alone! He's for the children

[@coreyrachar9694]

Glad I'm not alone in thinking it's lame there are no tournaments for so long. Can't wait to see what the best players are doing with the new game. Also, about game design I wanted to say that a good game is inherently exclusionary. Def better to stick to your guns rather than trying to appease everyone. Make things for the people who want them, not for some assumed casual person you imagine is going to magically develop interest.

[@EXEveryNote]

You should keep the social media tags underneath everyone’s video. It is better for promotion and good for new viewers to lookup you and the special guests.

[@zacharyalan4977]

When I heard BoxBox was playing, I watched all that content with PhiDX, I thought it was great. I wasn't curious until I heard Scarra was also playing. I just assumed this was the best time to get into fighting games in preparation for 2XKO or whatever Project L is being called.

[@Caddrel]

Can't believe I'm listening to one of the top 15 FGC podcasts!

[@NotLuigi]

I see Aris' point about everyone having access to heat smash making it hard to complain about the power level but there's a couple things I think are wrong about his perspective First of all it assumes all heat smashes are equal which they absolutely are not. Some startup faster than others, have way more range than others, are safer or more plus on block, give mixups on block and what they give on hit is different too so while every character has a heat smash some characters have way, way stronger feeling heat smashes than others Second of all I think that just because I too have the ability to press a single button and bust out a super high priority, plus on block, high damage mid doesn't make defending against a heat smash feel any better. I still feel awful when my opponent just mashes one button that at worst blows through my offense and kills me or at best I block and now I'm minus and I don't feel good when I mash that button and steal the round. I don't think any character should have one button access to all the strengths of heat smash I also think it disregards that the threat of heatsmash completely changes how you defend against some characters and some characters are infinitely more scary to defend against because of the threat heatsmash represents. Kazuya in heat is an absolute menace because he loses his weakness to SSL. You have to commit to a hard read duck against Kazuya to not eat his heat smash and in that matchup a bad duck is death and I don't know if I feel like Kazuya should have access to his normal mixup being that potent suddenly. And what do you get for your troubles of risking your life to block his heat smash? An i14 punish

[@MICKYMAN5000]

Huge agree, the difference in quality and overall value of heat smashes from character to character varies an insane amount, Jack and King will scare you simply for them being in heat because of their smashes, the same cannot be said for Leroy or Bryan for example

[@eVuLeX]

@@MICKYMAN5000 doesnt bryan have a guardbreak in heat? never seen leroy so no idea. btw. didnt aris also say that heat in SF6 (cant remember the name right now lol) is one of the best new mechanics? no hate but i hate it

[@nozuchan]

how many years has it been since the last aris appearance

[@padzman91]

He streams so many different games, it's almost like a gift that he's back in tekken again. I'd give him 2 months, and he'll be back hating Tekken and its fans 😂

[@LevelOneSkelly]

He ready hates the fans. Tekken will probably follow shortly lol

[@angryii5411]

Damn i was just wondering when the first t8 boomcast was coming.

[@justinmorsheim3942]

Proper seeding is not cheating, it assures the best tournament. I don't only care about who wins, I care about seeing the best matches.

[@marcuskane1040]

Hey alright!

[@MaskedGuyCh]

40:57 Not if you play Alisa, her heat smash is too slow at 20f. FeelsBadMan

[@kylecairns2847]

34:22 Aris makes the point about how Heat is powerful for everyone. As a Bryan main whose brother is a King main, I’d have to disagree. The big problem is not even the damage of the move on hit. It’s the forced 50/50 on block. You either eat an unbreakable throw or a knockdown mid that’s safe on block. There’s no real room for counter play so King can just throw it out whenever unless you step the first hit or it whiffs. I want King to be powerful in heat; but there should be a way to punish King for successfully defending against the Heat smash. Then look at Bryan’s heat smash. 44 damage. Slow. Easily low profiled. Now Bryan is designed with poor heat use in mind outside of permanent Snake Eyes. That’s fair enough. But King gets way too much out of that one button press.

[@iqbaalmuhmd]

I love ghost battle tbh, i know its only fraction of its real people habit but its alot better than regular CPU. In rare chance i learn something then great, but if not its a really great place to warm up with no stake before playing Online

[@ohnosarah]

S-tier cast for this podcast ... Long live bgc !!

[@lubong]

unfortunate that you guys didn't talk about the potential characters coming back to tekken 8 thanks for the upload and podcast in number 15

[@ATC43]

Yall absolutely didnt even get the CPT seeding issue. It has nothing to do with the random group seeding and everything to do with how the Pro Tour itself was set up. They had a set number of participants for each region able to quality meaning that relatively "no name" players were able to make it into Capcom Cup. The issue isnt that a bunch of Killers could end up in one group like Group F but that there are some groups like Group G filled with players no one has ever heard of and who may or may not be near the level of players who didnt make it into Capcom Cup because of how the Pro Tour was handled. Now, some no name could come out and surprise everyone, but its still a problem that strong regions like Japan only had 2 representatives just because the Pro Tour only allowed that many.

[@PAPALIKO]

Top 15 FGC podcast baby, Let’s Goooo!!

[@kanedalo2822]

thanks Iris Thanks Iris.

[@via_negativa6183]

I wish they kept rage drive and got rid of Rage Arts instead. I'd also rather have that than the extreme damage buff you used to get in t6/tt2

[@Brubrukk]

They don't know how good Kuma's heat smash is. 13f 51dmg +10 on block.

[@FunBox.]

I'm curious what that Jack looked like

[@nomad9098]

+1 on the netcode situation.

[@polyjackets8659]

It's nice to see senior citizens getting air time, grandpa Arnis is a pillar of the community 😊

[@tonisnooker]

How to enable Streamer Mode like Tekken 7 in Tekken 8? I can't find the options on PC/Steam

[@LoveXKnife]

Oh i'm excited for this one

[@pokemondude45]

1:01:12 I def remember seein' this tweet lmao

[@oxygenrailway]

Jack-8 was nerfed first patch. He was in the BETA

[@780Chris]

Bruh my eyes are constantly locked in on Rickstah's Tekken channel, don't even think I was listening to some of these sections.

[@Dopplington]

If Tekken has hidden Dynamic Difficulty adjustments in game. We’re screwed. FIFA has been doing this for years to keep players thinking they have control of the game. I hope these frames aren’t adjustable in real time

[@infraRedRidingHood]

nice video good energy

[@florianneumann9441]

btw... since when did aris turn vampire... i mean when was the last time someone has seen him in broad daylight? or just light

[@writofassistance]

Thats not Aris, thats an imposter. His screen isnt green

[@ayobez4580]

Hol up.. counter hit throws can still be broken??

[@MindGameArcade]

hey alright

[@mustypipes6602]

My favorite part is Airs webcam from the 1900's. Does it come with a hand crank, does he need to crack that shit up before he goes live.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

Boom!💥

[@StevejRodriguez]

My question is: What's the best fighting game story mode if it's NOT Tekken 8?

[@ahigherplace1542]

loving Aris' crunchy ass webcam Lol

[@sorubro2193]

I mean, sf6 reached the million in 3 days, 3 million now Im happy for Tekken, game deserves it

[@jeffreymaxson6216]

My only criticism is Eddie being the first DLC character.

[@zombecreative]

how long do we play it for

[@solid2281]

Lord Aris should come back to commentate again

[@CjExpendable27]

Boom! What’s up, internet?

[@BrunoLiraArraisMaia]

people still surprised that MK is a bad game.

[@elcreyo]

In Tekken 8, chicken mechanic got COOKED.