Two Real Example Cases of Treating Narcissism | DIANA DIAMOND

[@nietzschesmuse]

Wow interviews with Diana Diamond are an eye opening, I love how her views have depth and empathy not just another witch hunt expert on narcissism.

[@katkatkatkat463]

So true she’s a breath of fresh air on the topic

[@madduxtroy8619]

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[@nietzschesmuse]

@@madduxtroy8619 Google your answer.

[@judeannethecandorchannel2153]

Great profile name Nietzsches Muse

[@nietzschesmuse]

@@judeannethecandorchannel2153 Thank you! I hope you are safe!

[@ML77619]

Diana Diamond is a leading expert in personality disorders, we’re very fortunate to actually hear her describe real life cases. It’s wonderful, she’s very good.

[@rachelsimbhu4383]

Gosh I so love Diana Diamond ! She's 1 of my favorites !

[@martinanderko9893]

Dear Diana. In my eyes, you are true Diamond in psychoterapy. Greetings from slovakian narcissist.

[@Jana-em9hi]

slovak :)

[@Honest_review85]

This is a true therapist! Very empathic

[@hannahpumpkins4359]

Getting a Narc to therapy and then getting them to continue therapy and then getting them to actually work on themselves and take responsibility for their actions other than blaming everyone else is the hard part.

[@rabinraj15]

That entire process can take the life out of someone 😅

[@CampfireFiction1010]

I wonder if positive reinforcement would work like, if you go to therapy we’ll go out for ice cream after. I believe something can be done.

[@karlataylor1172]

😂 The ice- cream suggestion! Brilliant.

[@TEJ11]

​@@CampfireFiction1010 🤣🤣🤣

[@kentburge6701]

I see it. I hear it and I comprehend it. It is so clear and obvious when explained with examples and people in specific conditions. Something had to have triggered the need to seek insight from a therapist however. This is the tough part when we love someone that cannot see help is needed. It is almost as if the nature of the disfunction denies the disfunction. I would give my right arm to show my wife how much this narcissism is destroying our marriage and me.....and there is no payoff or benefit in the big picture. We are so vulnerable in this condition. Thank-you Diana Diamond, you inspire hope.

[@fredwinslow744]

There is a correlation between the interest to seek help and insight probability itself in one with any strong personality trait like narcissism . and so harder it may be as may be in your case sometimes it is only when there is a threat an ultimatum or consequences for the partner that have narcissistic traits will they be willing to subject themselves to counselling but as mentioned this is a harder hence your frustration possibly If what you say is true ultimatums interventions and consequences may be the only stimulant to them seeking help A possible approach is for a loving spouse to empathize with everything they value about the relationship but then present the problem as a shared issue between the two And to suggest that you think of both entered couples therapy environment you can grow much stronger as a couple and team where the therapist can help both What will happen is that the therapist may mediate insight as a couple together Best wishes

[@kentburge6701]

@@fredwinslow744 wow, thank-you for such a thought provoking response. I am still deep in working through all the experience seen and unseen with my marriage to a full on malignant narcissist. I will be reading your response a few times to pull as much out of it as I am able. Mr. Winslow, it really is something to me when someone as yourself, takes the time to share their perspective as you have. I am grateful. 🙏🏼🔥💪🏽 🌱

[@ange7422]

@@kentburge6701 try reading Wendy Behary’s “disarming the narcissist” she has a way of speaking to pwNPD that she teaches in her book

[@kentburge6701]

@@ange7422 Dear Ange, I will find this book. I have now, spent the last 2 and a half years working diligently towards understanding the intense degree this illness of conscience, destroys everything good. I have not seen or heard from my wife this whole time (I did contact her lawyer 4 times, and crown prosecutor 9 times and phone call to mutual friends) I still love her dearly but i will no longer give a single inch to this character disturbance. It has almost cost me my life to love my wife. Again, thank-you Ange. Kent Burge 🙏🏼🔥💪🏾 🌱

[@sofiajacobs8002]

it's admirable that you're able to see your wife as a human despite the strife you've experienced with her but please don't put anyone else above your own health and safety ❤️

[@platinumare]

Diana Diamond is quite helpful here. I think we are all prone to lapsing into a little narcissism, some more than others. Either way, it's wonderful that Diana is providing help rather than giving up and attacking the narcissist. Thank you for posting this video.

[@terrywade3696]

I think it’s interesting how both of these two types of narcissists were both self sabotaging in their choices. Especially for short term and superficial self gratification. They literally threw away their lives for a “piece of pie” moment!

[@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye]

You probably meant 'enjoyable'? (rahter than 'interesting')

[@ImLehwz]

@@ThreetwoOne-wu7yewhat?

[@hopesouthstar4304]

The moment of choice: 1. The high of being very important vs keeping the gains of years of work 2. The high of being very loved vs having the stable lifestyle Is it similar to the situation where; the cake is so delicious to eat vs regulated blood sugar level?

[@avahsieh4645]

“Reflected Grandiosity" Thanks for this refreshing insight.

[@mingonmongo1]

Yep, and maybe also explains some of the power and allure of narcissistic leaders.

[@jamesingold7463]

Much better than medcircle

[@Starstorm111]

What a relieve!! To know there’s someone that does believe in recovery and not always a human being is a no hope being.. at least there are people who truly support the idea of the recovery… I wish my mother could have done something like this before absolutely destroying her life and psique.. and also destroying mine. My heart goes for all the humans in pain , lost inside and I wish them hope and help.. one day this pathology will be hopefully treated and many people saved from this terror. I know what I’m taking about sadly, it’s the most devastating thing..

[@priscillagrrr4405]

I need Dr D as a therapist!

[@RGangi133]

Viewers may be interested to know that Diana Diamond serves as a faculty member at the Weill-Cornell Personality Disorders Institute, the clinical psychology PhD program at the City University of New York, and the NYU Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis

[@Spectre2434]

That's awesome 👍👍!

[@irme8930]

So many titles and she didn't realize she dealt with a histrionic grandiose narcissist in the second case.

[@tlalalaboogz1756]

I would like to hear her talking about treating somatic covert/vulnerable narcissists.

[@ledevingreen7920]

The stories r eye opening!!! My ex is one hope she gets help!!

[@cameliaancacoca4013]

This is very interesting... I thought they lack object relations but obviously for narcissists the object relation got stuck on a different "object" - their grandiosity! It makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much for your insight!! We really appreciate your videos in our family. I wish this channel team get rewarded, this is true value to our society. Thanks again!

[@jonathanjohnson8311]

...and isn't it frightening as all hell to know that such people mingle amongst us virtually everywhere we go, and are probably involved in many/most/all areas of our lives outside the home?!

[@katkatkatkat463]

@@jonathanjohnson8311 why is that frightening? The cases discussed in the video made me feel more empathy for narcissists and less fear of them, and if you are better informed you can recognise these dynamics and protect yourself

[@TempermentalTart]

@@jonathanjohnson8311 I found it refreshing that this is the first video I've seen that documents helping those people. There are literally thousands of videos on KZbin that tell us about how they are everywhere and that there is no hope.

[@jelena7440]

@@TempermentalTart there is no help believe me. The reason why the narcissists behave this way is because they don't think that there will be consequences for them. For example this woman didn't think that the her boyfriend will leave her because she hooked up with another guy the same evening at the party they were both at, he literally saw her getting involved with someone else. Cheating on him. She probably thinks so highly of herself that he would put up with it and when that didn't happen she crashed. Probably her one night stand dumped her too, so she lost two men at once. That's why she went to therapy, she couldn't understand how in real world people won't put up with her sh....t.

[@TempermentalTart]

@@jelena7440 Why would I believe you instead of the experts in this video? You're simply stating your opinion, based on feelings. This channel is about hope and actually treating people with NPD. Please consider where you are and the atmosphere.

[@guyreid8692]

These two patients Dr Diamond mentions have insight and were willing to come to therapy. The majority of NPD patients are hard core and will tell you to go for therapy, because they’re fine

[@davidrife1999]

Like everything else one can acquire in society, access to excellence comes at a high price as well - $$$$

[@dbuck1964]

Those are the malignant narcissists.

[@judeannethecandorchannel2153]

Oh EXCELLENT. THE REAL DEAL. IN DEPTH ANALYSIS. 😌😊😌😊😌

[@Spectre2434]

So identifying the dominant object Relations is critical in this approach.

[@immers2410]

You can give them as much insight as you like, but they will always revert to type

[@mdabdulquadir6136]

Beautifully explained.. experienced therapist..

[@ChrisCoombes]

Joe Rogan should have guests like this person.

[@serenajara1229]

joe rogan should be one of her patients 😭

[@brynleytalbot778]

He has Jordan Peterson instead. A highly narcissistic personality seeking attention with his grandiose delivery and superiority complex over everyone else.

[@doriannemosich232]

Joe will have to be a gentleman at all times, he an do it!

[@k.s783]

@@brynleytalbot778Clearly you know nothing about Jordan Peterson.

[@mavrickmac1393]

No money in fixing the narc more money in the endless supply of self appointed victim's

[@danpatrick24]

This is thoughtful and incredibly helpful 🧠

[@accordionSWE]

Thank you! Great content on this channel.

[@edgreen8140]

Special or uniques from the 8 Millon people on the earth. Entitled, exploitative of others, envious of others or believe others are envious of them. Cold empathy. Tfp so interesting. Kind of an object relations approach.

[@hakametal]

What is NTFP?

[@CampfireFiction1010]

She’s good.

[@Ama.921]

Diary of a CEO should do a podcast with Diana

[@Star-dj1kw]

Interesting 🤔 video

[@captainswing4487]

Wow.

[@mckaystevens867]

In early adulthood, what’s the difference (if there is one) between grandiosity and feeling a normal amount of dissatisfaction with your current life circumstances- perhaps career, location, relationship? In order to learn what works for you to feel fulfilled, don’t you need to think somewhat idealistically about your dreams, skillset, opportunities? Early adulthood also seems to be an unclear time period for my sense of “self” too. Since I am largely learning it. Therefore, it’s easy to think of hopes for my future in vague terms that don’t feel totally tangible or concrete. I guess I am always interested in what is considered a healthy sense of confidence in one’s abilities/ awareness about one’s satisfaction vs what is deemed narcissistic/ grandiose?

[@alanalbin1988]

With the second example, also a total absence of any concern for the feelings of the person she blatantly cheated on. No empathy. Even after the fact. No understanding of how she must have hurt that guy by leaving the party with another man. Even in therapy, her only concern was with herself.

[@ameliarbaldwin1402]

I live in Pennsylvania. Where can I get therapy?

[@Jokaanan]

Look up "transference focused psychotherapy" in your area

[@erichaynes7502]

I used to think only bodybuilders were narcissists. Now I realize EVERYBODY is a narcissist lol

[@jiminy_cricket777]

I mean, yeah.. read Lasch

[@hakametal]

There's healthy narcissism and then there's personality disorders.

[@racheln8563]

Is obsessing over seeming talented and/or intelligent an indication of pathological narcissism in itself?

[@fredwinslow744]

The slippery slope between self esteem, self love, and grandiosity is not really the purview of the therapist unless it is objectively clear. The second example appears to be more consistent with histrionic traits( need for attention and to be the centre of attention ) than narcissism Having “no idea why she did it “is more reflective of a histrionic need than the narcissistic grandiose expectation of special treatment I feel the therapist has confused this by overly and quickly categorizing in her clinical thinking ( at least in this example ) I admit she may have a more complete clinical picture that allows her to draw the conclusion the patient is grandiose and has a high expectation of special treatment The vulnerable narcissist is not usually perplexed at being rejected , they tend to have a very victimized perception Which her patient did not appear to have . She was more ignorant and perplexed that her need for the temporary attention of the other man should cause a break up rather than a sense of indignation at it ( classic vulnerable narcissist ).

[@brynleytalbot778]

Psychologists are, in my view, rather too academically oriented, whilst psychiatrists are more client focused seeking, within complex mental operating processes, the underlying causes of a clients issues. Sticking plaster therapy versus treating the person. Psychologists have no compulsory therapy into their own underlying issues. Psychiatrists must undertake therapy before practicing and on an ongoing basis. Understand yourself and your behavioural slips before sitting before a client whose life might focus on identifying potential threats and view you, the psychologist, unaware of your slips, as nothing but another of life’s problems to add to the rest. Your assessment of the ridiculously vague client profiles may well be accurate. Dr Yeomans is more clinically precise in his examples. He’s a psychiatrist. Watch him to see the distinct difference between psychologist and psychiatrist.

[@gregansen544]

I feel that the first female case should go verbatim into a textbook.

[@AE1984-v2e]

Personality disorders are so disgusting and complicated./complex Only answer =leave. I've already ran myself ragged learning all abuse terminology +staying in the relationship.

[@lovli31]

Who are these narcissist that are so open and non-resistant to treatment.. lol

[@martinanderko9893]

I am one of them.

[@lovli31]

Interesting.. good for you then!

[@katkatkatkat463]

They don’t seem that open lol; she described a process where she had to kind of tease it out and circuitously get them to realise how their behaviour created problems for themselves rather than just telling them outright, which would probably spark their defences and cause them to leave treatment.

[@jakeyonland8233]

Hi lol

[@rjrnj1]

@@martinanderko9893 Me, too.

[@kiaral822]

Why is the architect she’s talking about sound exactly like Rex Heuermann?? Wasn’t that literally an existing interview on KZbin????

[@CPAndy-x5x]

"I can't understand why my spouse divorced me. I'm so wonderful and innocent. I'm here for depression." "I can't understand why I treated my spouse the way I did. I'm here for depression."

[@beyourself9162]

Interesting. In other words people with narcissistic traits are drawn to people who are even bigger narcissists as themselves?

[@sarahm8775]

This woman is better than Dr. Ramani.

[@saumitrsharma2816]

why?

[@ejinchina4630]

Much more objective, much more stable.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Dr Ramani is a self help guru, selling books & retreats. She also feeds the victimhood mentality with the whole empath narrative. Sadly its a business.

[@JoyFay]

They are both good

[@II-zc5lk]

I disagree, Dr. Ramani is spot on. She's not a self help guru she has a PHD in psychology and a professor at UCLA. She knows what she's talking about.

[@drlarrymitchell]

I wanna tell ya what's on my mind But I'm hopin', baby, you can read between the lines I got this vibe that I hope ain't true But the things ya say don't line up with the things you do I'm always waitin' for your shit to pass And it's gettin' like I'm livin' life inside your ass

[@sailing9802]

I disagree with the architect incident the therapist relayed. Lots of people talk off the record to the press. If it's a reputable news organization, his name will never be mentioned. It's deep background. The architect should have gone to his bosses and seen whether he was allowed to talk off the record.

[@sailing9802]

and as far as a "slavish" journalist, I don't buy it. A journalist from a major newspaper, say the Times, is not going to act in a slavish manner. Charming, ingratiating, but "slavish" is a bit much.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

It was clearly stated that they were forbidden to talk to the press about the project.

[@Jokaanan]

@@sailing9802 yeah but a narcissist might perceive them that way

[@GK222_]

Diana, I love you but I think if my mom was to consult with you - you'd probably resign. Not that I don't trust your abilities but...she's the king of narcs

[@TaymaShine]

Lol

[@fredwinslow744]

Is it possible that the therapists own experiences with men have manifested in a projective labelling of self importance in this second patient as a result of her beauty etc where there is likely more a strong histrionic need for attention ( hence the I don’t know what I did it except for insecurity and attention over rational intimacy ) personality traits are the first focus not Object identification. Which is part of a theoretical structure and not that reliable in arriving at the labels we use in personality traits I assume the therapist has a deeper set of data on her patient than this one story to draw her conclusion I have found in my experience that before we label our patient too quickly ( in lieu of helping objectify with them) we need to be very aware of our own biases and patterns . We all have them For instance a therapist(not referring to the professional in video ) that themselves is histrionic with their own esteem issues with obsessive compulsive personality type whom had a deep history of ultimate rejection and frustrated mastery would tend to project victimization and strong automatic Support for the objectivity of any patient whom had a personal history of being hurt in any way( many patients will come in with a story of this type ) … as a victim outright. Certainly they feel victimized but the therapist Risks overly supporting ( Beyond unconditional acceptance) many subjective patterns of their patient whom they are tasked with objectifying and improving repetitive patterns in their life… This highly specific example is a real one Therapists greatest challenge is not always the Patient but themselves This Grandiose diatribe 😊stimulated by what appeared to be an Overly simplified diagnostic certainly .

[@MarkLupson-it6xu]

There is no cure. She knows this. This woman is making a lot of money from treating an incurable condition. She is involved in an academic exercise. FOR YOU… you just recognise that you’re about to open a hurt locker. Get the hell away from ANY abusive person. It’s not a fight you can win.

[@rudhisundar]

She deserved the break up!

[@youtbe999]

She's simply a gold digger who pretends otherwise.

[@katkatkatkat463]

Lol True but it’s still possible to feel sorry for her because in the end she played herself

[@fredwinslow744]

Did she say the second patient was a vulnerable Narcissist and was swept up into the grandiosity and narcissism of the gentlemen who paid attention to her ????? So she labelled the woman by this example and ALSO A total stranger ! who showed her attention ( who she knows nothing about ) as a narcissist also ??? She was swept up in the “reflected grandiosity “ …?? a little overuse and overreach of clinical acumen I suggest

[@jam6636]

Nothing she said tells me those patients were able to change, she only mentions 1 moment of insight where their only response is "you are right"... doesn´t sound credible.

[@TempermentalTart]

It's a start. They are now aware and see it in a tangible way. They will now be able to see the patterns and replace their poor decisions with better ones. They're waking up...

[@jam6636]

@@TempermentalTart nahh

[@fredwinslow744]

Why does Donald trump come up on this channel so much ?? Very irresponsible to discuss this important topic utilizing such a divisive issue ( the media polar opposite treatment of a current leader ) Politicizing psychology is shameful Half the population are not trumps “willing executioners “ and this evidence of professionals mass delusion is an example of the danger of the soft science of psychopathology psychiatry and psychology in the hands of us “professionals “ - a mental health professional Ps the topic and speaker is ow informative