Boring Ships With A Gimmick | First Impressions Dutch Cruisers

[@VuHien2011]

My experience with the Dutch line is that independently from what the specs say, their fire chance is very high, comparable to British HE. The airstrike is not OP at all. There are many situations I wish I have torps instead of the airstrikes. However, I like the airstrikes because it brings a new game mechanic that I do not believe break the game as you said. On the contrary of CVs that can sit at the back of the map all day long, Dutch cruisers have to take calculated risk to be able to launch those airstrike within 12 km. The 15 second delay also needs some leading skills. I do not believe that the game mechanic will break the game because ships hiding behind island and lobbing shells all day long can actually stop any push. Dislodging them with airstrike is actually a good thing and bring a counter game mechanic to that meta.

[@rockefeller63]

Whats your in game name and server?

[@mikkodoria4778]

Can I buy you're account?

[@VuHien2011]

@@mikkodoria4778 First of all, I have researched almost all the TEch tree ships and I have at least 60% of the premium ships so, it would cost a fortune for you to buy ha ha! second, i still play WOWS.

[@VuHien2011]

@@rockefeller63 why?

[@1mol831]

I find that same tier CV would do more damage than the Harleem airstrikes. Shokaku would do around 18k with the strikes, though they will lose planes.

[@jonathansullivan6706]

I gotta say, despite all the hype and outrage over these ships, I've been seriously underwhelmed by their performance. That being said, it is ironic that the tactic of hiding behind islands, which the dutch cruisers were meant to counter, is a very effective way to use them.

[@StanleyPain]

Yeah they are underwhelming.

[@curbacz16]

That is an effective way to use them. Which still is bad for the game.

[@1mol831]

One of the ways to remedy this problem is to remove islands from the game and have larger version of the ocean map instead.

[@TheMustangLegend]

Well, as long as Radar is able to detect ships behind islands, I would say it's totally okay to do airstrikes behind Islands

[@SCorre-le4fg]

I don’t agree. There was 0 counterplay to US island campers which are lobbing shells over islands with impunity all-day and now there is. Finally.

[@alejandropinchetti8302]

Imagine if they just give this Cruisers the old Secondaries from de Agir. Just that and boom. 100% people lobing this lines

[@vivekpatel3752]

Even accurate guns will go the job...think about American high tier cruisers. Or Russian cruisers ..when your main weapon is underwhelming then no amount of gimmick can save the line

[@DennisTjhie]

Well I think Mighty Jingles said it best. They are underwhelming, because of that video that went the rounds of a Dutch cruiser nuking some ships. This caused outrage that they might possibly be OP. However the problem was all these ships were stationary behind an island and well kinda deserve to have that happen to you then. They then nerfed the airstrike due to the outrage and now they do pitiful damage if you manage to hit them, which wasn't that easy before and still isn't but now with reduced damage.

[@KarlBarbosa]

I kinda like the idea of airstrikes as a way to counter camping since it's extremely difficult to hit a moving ship unless they sail in a perfectly straight line for a full 15 seconds without moving their rudder even a smidgen. On the other hand, ships that just sit in one spot, like a DM behind an island, DD in smoke, or Petro/Moskva/Kremlin sitting in one angled spot, side to an island, and impossible to dislodge, are easy targets. OF COURSE, they make sure the pen on those bombs at high tiers are strong enough to smack any ships that are not Russian. Obviously. The game badly badly needs things to counter Petro and Kremlin, so they introduce something that counters everything else but.

[@KunJayMaster]

All I hear is how every new mechanic introduced is unfair…but there are things we take for granted that could also be considered unfair. Was the Moskva enjoying himself getting hit by airstrikes? No, but neither is a battleship being chased by a dd torping him while invisible, or a cruiser shooting over islands without being spotted. Moskva didn’t have to stay in the same place getting hit 3 or 4 times he could have moved.

[@hectorc7080]

I had not played them enough to do a real judgement, but don’t you think that the air strikes are a way to manage precisely the people that camp behind de islands? I found them very annoying too, so at least we have now another way to dislodge them. And don’t forget that maximum range of the air strike is around 12/13 km yes?

[@1mol831]

Why not play the carrier and the submarines, there are counter plays.

[@oriolguerrero1702]

I personally want to like these ships, i love my battlecruisers but the guns on the dutch cruisers seem overnerfed, id say they should do more damage for the caliber they are and have fire duration of 45 secs, just in between normal cruisers and BBs.

[@marcvanartevelde5586]

It stopped being a ship game when CVs were entered into the game. Calling in air support makes perfect sense. So you think something that will dislodge the island campers is going to lead to a more passive playstyle? LOL.

[@rallius8629]

They have their place in an island camping meta which until now has no real counterplay. I don't think they're very exciting and I think the guns should be buffed to class average values. The armor scheme feels a bit stronger than it looks on paper because the bow of many of the dutch cruisers is pretty small compared to the russians and italians. That said with a decent gimmick, good concealment and good armour you wouldn't want the guns to be over performing too.

[@Mr_Secondaries]

I've found the ships to be good at pressuring dug-in ships. At close range, your airstrikes come in faster, and you can tank surprisingly well. So I play them as brawling pushers. Against dds, or torp weilding ships,, you gotta stay back though. Honestly, if they got good secondary accuracy. Itd make them scarey close range cruisers.

[@general_alexus2533]

Playing ranked right now, discurrageing Moskwa/Stalingrad/Petrovs from camping at Iland corner holding it and locking down a hole flank is in my opinion good for the game. Until now you have to yolo rush them, or spann at them with HE for ages until you can finally move up. The airstriked dont kill them outright, they just fasten the process of HE spamming them down. I have no problem with that. Regarding the Moskwa in the replay: His positioning was shit, alone on a flank sitting there without escapeplan. He deserved to get punished for this, and finally there is a tool to actually do it.

[@Boatswain_Tam]

For the Golden Lion: If you want high tier battlecruiser experience, play the Alaska or the Petro, anything else are cheap knock offs

[@jamesjohnson6443]

Goliath is pretty under rated as a heavy cruiser too

[@alejandropinchetti8302]

Agir/Siegfried

[@cleveland2286]

Those aren't battlecruisers but I know what you mean.

[@vtr0104]

The thing is, those are a bit broken. I don't have any of the Soviet line unlocked, but I do have an Alaska from some time ago and I've had some games where I should have been deleted (I'm talking 3-4 km fights with BBs) and instead you can angle like a BB. And with the 305s, you're unlikely to overpen even at close range, while a BB has to pass a dispersion check, an angle check and even when they pen, it ends up being overpens. My primary stuff is all BBs, and it is so frustrating in an Iowa to shoot a broad-siding cruiser at 15kms and see 7 overpens while he just escapes behind the nearest island. I hate that the Alaska plays more like and better than a BB, than the BBs I spent so much time and Credits unlocking... At least the NC is still fun to play and has satisfying guns.

[@1mol831]

Is Stalingrad good?

[@craigels2143]

Honestly, i think they perform well. I've play 5 games in the golden lion and I was able to be impactful. No, they are definitely not the strongest ships out there, but in reality we don't really want continuously busted ships to be released anyway. Definitely could be better but I do think they still have potential where they are rn.

[@VuHien2011]

totally agree, new ship lines are not supposed to be better than existing ship lines, they are supposed to bring something new.

[@ainzooalgown7589]

the airstrikes are also good at spotting ships hiding behind islands and in smoke especially cruisers and DDs with very short range AA that the DD doesnt turn off permanently, the Airstrikes make them fire the AA and show the rough location of the ship, same can be done with BB Anti sub planes

[@mikkodoria4778]

All hail the sorcerer king

[@rexstuff4655]

Great vid, well-put. And thanks for not starting that clip from North a few minutes earlier... ;)

[@stevenmackendrick6830]

TY so much for demonstrating the airstrike !

[@tenfingerstentoes]

I'm really interested in seeing how these impact the upcoming KotS season. How many KotS games have featured radar cruisers glued in place to strategic spots? Or DDs anchored to unpushable islands in the middle of caps? You can't do either of those things now if a Gouden can just drop 20k on your head from stealth. Now if it really is that good as busting up radar cap control maybe we see it getting banned out every match. But now that means no ban available for Moskva or DM or Nevsky etc, so in that scenario it ends up promoting even more iron grip of radar on caps..... Maybe I'm wrong and it doesn't amount to much! We'll see I guess

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

I agree 100% with you. I'm Dutch and would have loved to see a cool line of cruisers, but these are f*cked up. I hate the entire airplane mechanics in this game, and the airstrike is just another safe way to be everywhere all at once all the time. I think your analysis is spot on as to what will happen once the airstrike becomes more mainstream. A Des Moines can no longer support his DD's from close by the cap, and it all cascades from these. But no doubt we're stuck with these forever now. 😫

[@davidquak4398]

Ik raak letterlijk nooit iets met mijn bommenwerpers. Ik speel het spel pas een maand ofzo, maar de main guns zijn ook shit

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

@@davidquak4398 Blijven oefenen. Dit spel vergt tijd en inspanning om goed in te worden.

[@megar_potato859]

they've somehow managed to create something thats OP for the enemy team, but underpowered for the user. amazing, really

[@tongnguyenthien9057]

For me, these cruisers are most useful in divisions (not necessarily triple dutch, just 1 is enough) or having teammates with total awareness of what you're doing It is more of a teamplay cruiser than most things in the game because you can manipulate the enemy and provide oportunities for your team

[@freetolook3727]

Dutch cruisers: Aircraft carriers disguised as cruisers. Or...aircraft carriers with turreted guns.

[@facilegoose9347]

Rocket delivered strikes with a limited launch angle, such that they precluded strikes from too close in to terrain might’ve been preferable (the planes really oughtn’t spot, and they ought to _obstruct other strikes and/or CV planes’ path)_ while in action; a friendly Spotter Plane ought to reveal the Strike Target Reticle/Zone, if nearby. Such rocket delivered bomb animations could be piggy backed to Depth Charge Launchers, reducing range & changing models. Bootstrapped to subs, and you have the attack/fleet sub line gimmicks for the German (late & postwar rockets & standoff ordinance) & IJN (I-400 CV hybrids) sub trees. Likewise ‘torp citadels’ are only permissible with damage nerfs on high tier *super cavitating torpedos* (essentially underwater rockets), with _extremely_ limited horizontal correction - if any - _very_ limited ascent/descent angles for attack/littoral subs with limited battery/endurance, inflicting a lower flood chance (or only fire/movement machinery crits); Scandinavian gunboat equivalents with SCT harassing fire on the surface, and slower-in-class Proximity Fused homing torps underwater for ASW counter against larger Hunter Killer subs (but slightly more maneuverable). Second pings for these would increase speed only, and with it further reduce turn performance & dive plane angles if homing’s retained at all. Use in tandem with radar cruisers to buff turn correction on homing might be permissible. And since they’ll have ballistic & cruise missile subs with ASMs and SAMs eventually - because money - what their tolerable parameters should ought to be war gamed by players well in advance - these damage types could offend against static radar cruisers _when_ they use radar (zoning), or intercept CV planes directly (esp. in the case of isolated/down tiered focus); Fire Control Director Radar, as in the Halloween events, might also provide ASM targeting solutions on backline BBs while doing some combination of: fleet spotting (minimap only), prolonging firing concealment penalty, allow one stealth fire salvo (no Priority Target or IFA indicators); *spotting flare shells/air drops* would have dual use in ASW, without dealing direct damage. The service lives of even early Cold War sub’s was long - especially in Russia - they’re coming for that if no other reason (plus the sub-class possibilities). We have to get ahead of this to have any influence at all as end users.

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

bought a new computer, cant even be bothered to install WOWS

[@dsilverleaf4668]

3 words for u bro. - Path of Exile. -if u like building skill tree's. You'll cream ur pants😆

[@mikkodoria4778]

What cartel did you buy you're gpu?

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

@@mikkodoria4778 alienware 3090

[@freetolook3727]

You never run out of planes!

[@fuglbird]

Thank you for your videos. They are very inspiring. I don't agree with your presumption that only ships belong in this game. Plane squadrons launched from carriers and single planes launched from battleships has been a very important part of sea battles since WWII. I agree with your main conclusions though. A cruiser that can launch two squadrons of planes is ridiculous. Games with carriers in the small maps we have are ridiculous too. The planes in the game really needs to be reworked. The submarines belong in the game. Maybe they need to be adjusted a bit. My experience from tier 6 fighting subs in destroyers and cruisers is not bad; but the tier 10 subs underwater speed is ridiculous. A World of Sailing Ships would be nice. No planes, no submarines and a lot of fun adjusting the sails during battle. Maybe I could rise from a potato to an average player ;)

[@danh7411]

Gouden Leeuw only pens 37.7mm as written in the game file so it can't contest USN BB deck. Tho in port it says 38mm, dunno if this is a bug or not

[@r.awilliams9815]

The airstrikes are pretty good at chasing people out of smoke, you can cover most of a cloud if you have both flights up.

[@geekonomist]

Does Yukikaze think that radar cruisers are fair? Is radar a game breaking mechanic?

[@maudrysilvain5905]

When I see Wargaming with gimmicks it feels like they're putting the cart before the horses. If that doesn't make sense for some, let me take an example, the French line some time ago. Henri was, in the spreadsheet a bad ship and wasn't used that much compared to other tier 10 cruisers. Wargaming decided that they're gonna add the gimmick of the main battery reload booster but for that cost, the reload of all cruiser, from tier 6 up to tier 9 was nerfed (for the tier 6 it went from roughly 6/7 seconds down to 10 seconds, which is long reload) just to add the gimmick of the MBRB So, for the Netherland cruisers, I think they should have built them as heavy cruiser / battlecruiser with their peeks and weaknesses then adding the gimmick of the airstrike, and then working on the airstrike gimmick if it is too powerful, not the other way around and forcing to implement the gimmick of airstrike, even if it implies having a crap ship around Also, having run the dutch cruiser for CB (the actual season with double CV is really fun and engaging BTW), it's quite decent since you can trick the AA to fire your airstrike and dropping bow-in ships

[@2fat4airborne44]

i think they try to open up the game to more playertypes, no matter the....to lure more players in. Statisticly newer players tend to spend more money. Not a single company with such game are tending to their veterans in any way. sad...but that what it is.

[@maudrysilvain5905]

@@2fat4airborne44 Yeah it's also showing that they only care about short-term payback by releasing new ships and putting them behind paywall rather than balancing the game (which cost money that doesn't get payback as soon as the balancing is done and balancing take a long time) And said balancing can come a long way in making a game profitable by keeping players in and making them spend more money on longer period and of that, the best example (sort of, I don't play it), is league of legends

[@2fat4airborne44]

@@maudrysilvain5905 true. Short term is what Investors care about. Balancing is hard is also true. Especially for wows.

[@pikkozoikum8523]

Idk, but why so focused on the air strikes, they are like torpedos on crusiers, aren't they? Also aren't they actually good against camping? When I played them, they did quite well

[@_Saracen_]

Does IFHE affect those bombs? would it make much difference ya reckon? These Dutch cruisers might feel kinda mediocre but when paired up in a squad they can be incredibly annoying to deal with, timed well you can basically be bombed constantly. Really discourages any kind of aggressive plays when you see them.

[@thicketroad]

I quit grinding for the tier 8 dutch cruiser after seeing Flamu's video the other day. You haven't posted anything to make me change my mind on that. Money saved.

[@Cactusjugglertm]

What I like about you channel is the good info and the positive attitude! SO!!! Can you consider covering the game in a somewhat positive matter? We have Trenlass, Flamu, mr G and all of those guys constantly whining about WG. Thats not what Im here for...

[@seraphis]

Apparently they don't pen 38. They pen 37.7 instead. So hopefully this is just a bug? I know it says 38 in port but fitting tool does say the coded pen.

[@ardenritzel4052]

They actually do spot. Say a DD is in the cap, you can send them out over a cap and if they have AA on you can see them shooting the planes down. So a way to know if a DD is close or so forth

[@alejandropinchetti8302]

If you are fighting a DD that has its AA Up you shouldnt worry about him doing shit

[@kevinreed-jones3179]

Excellent review, thank you!

[@skincookiez7576]

Honestly I think this would a long way to fixing CVs. No RTS or controlling your ammunition on the fly. Aim and fire. Sometimes you miss sometimes you hit. And the range on these strikes are only 10-14km based on tier. That is the most broken part of CVs that they never even have to be in range of anything.

[@Mr_King96]

I've got to say, you make some very good points about why the dutch cruisers are bad for the game and shouldn't be implemented the way they are. Let's see what weegee thinks about your feedback... "Ooops, we printed your feedback and unfortunately it landed right in the waste paper basket. Oh well, it's been dropped. Btw make sure to buy the new russian premium CV because the game is great"

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

You knew this line would turn shit when it was built around a dumb gimmick

[@MCP2002]

I have the Tier X, and so far, the highlights of the line have been the Tier 7 Endracht and the Tier 9....and I'm really iffy on the 9. Most airstrikes are around 3 k. The Airstrikes are fairly useless at Tier 9/10 I've found. Think I may just go back to my Italian BB grind. Lol

[@missk1697]

I couldnt decide if i wanted to main carriers or cruisers, so i went for... this.

[@VuHien2011]

By the way, in War Thunder, Medium tanks can call artillery strikes so there is nothing new with airstrikes. You ask is it fair for the Moskva to receive damage when he was sitting comfortably behind an island. I say, it is about time those campers behind island get a counter. And it is not even an absolute counter. You can still sit behind an island and move around. You don't have to stand still while sitting behind an island. Even BBs can drastically minimize damage provided they do a minimum AWSD hack. On the contrary of torps, you can see the airstrike planes from far away. You have 15 sec to react vs 4 seconds for a torp.

[@Wisewolf_of_Avalon]

There's nothing preventing the dutch cruiser from also camping an island. Now he can camp AND send out those airstrikes

[@VuHien2011]

@@Wisewolf_of_Avalon nope, because enemy Dutch cruiser will dislodge it.

[@Peter-je6td]

I agree completely everything WG is doing is making the games more camp in the back and huddle together its so boring before the CV rework nobody played CV so players used all the map and were free to do flanking plays but now CV in every game so players are afraid of being spotted by some random CVs planes trying to get close making their concealment pointless. Spotting is the single most powerful thing in this game you cant shoot and kill what you cant see right the order of hated classes in game is related to concealment 1st CVs 2nd DDs 3rd CLs 4th BBs and subs will share 2nd place when they are released

[@bttmlesspit25]

Yeah I have to disagree with you here the overall damage output for the whole ship is terrible. The airstrike damge is where the buff needs to occur. Think of it like this would you have done more damage with torps and the obvious answer is yes. Likewise the comparison between CVs is obvious as it ....planes....what else would you compare to....it planes.... Not to mention if something goes out of sight even if in the hit box you will completely miss. You need to compare torps and airstrike and it actually takes more time for airstrike than torps and they do less damge and also without needing to hide behind as in DDs you can hide in plane sight. So yeah think you're really off on this video

[@cleveland2286]

So, whats your winrate with destroyers?

[@bttmlesspit25]

@@cleveland2286 what does that matter the look apple to apple comparison is cruiser vs cruiser not cruiser vs every other ship out there.

[@cleveland2286]

@@bttmlesspit25 It does matter, you just said torpedoes were easier to use than airstrikes.

[@bttmlesspit25]

@@cleveland2286 @Cleveland again apple to apple comparison.... cruisers have torpedoes too and hit boxes concealment manverabilty spotting range etc DDs done so games won on DDs beyond useless. Also please find the quote where I said it was easier.... I'll still stand by the fact any information regarding DD is irrelevant....

[@cleveland2286]

@@bttmlesspit25 "Not to mention if something goes out of sight even if in the hit box you will completely miss. You need to compare torps and airstrike and it actually takes more time for airstrike than torps and they do less damge and also without needing to hide behind as in DDs you can hide in plane sight." Yeah so all I got from this was you saying torpedoes on DDs are easier to use than airstrikes.

[@henry62600]

If you have an AA build, planes drops like 🪰

[@DY06GWD]

Glad to see you forgot to reinstall mods too PQ 🤣

[@davidquak4398]

I never hit anything with my airstrikes so i dont know if they do any damage

[@1992MrGabe]

so its been some time since this whiney video was uploaded.... has anyone encountered these airstrikes much? seems like this game is just full of whiney kids who dont like anything and always say the game or every ship is "broken". idk this just seems like a sad boy here.

[@jaywerner8415]

Yeah the high tier Dutch cruisers are "super cruisers" while the lower tier ones are normal cruisers.

[@rollwax2646]

Totally agree on the planes, they should only have a spot role, the CVs were already a pollution but with the submarines and these air attacks the game becomes more and more frustrating. Too bad on paper without the planes the guns were interesting but as it is I think they are the worst in the game, especially when you see their calibers.

[@GoldenCat0418]

Gold Lion’s air strike pen is currently bugged, the bombs only pen about 37.something

[@freetolook3727]

What's the range on these planes?

[@ukato324]

Not to mention there's no limit to the amount of planes that spawn from the dutch cruisers. Every time they launch, they're always with a full squadron, there is no penalty like with carriers where they have plane capacity and plane loss. If wg made it so that alongside cooldown for the airstrikes, a plane count mechanic would make for a more interesting playstyle. It would make the player consider when to use or to conserve the strike for a critical moment and think about plane loss against AA ships.

[@terraclaw6713]

I think they just found how to make carriers nicer to play against have it be like this but you cant fire at ships behind islands like the dutch cruisers can

[@diegowushu]

So, first they release DDs that suck at the very job DDs should do, and now CAs that have a toxic gimmick and are overall underwhelming. They're killing it in 2021.

[@Internetzspacezshipz]

I still don't understand why aircraft are not a finite resource in game... Why do carriers get infinite aircraft? It's nonsense. Same with this stuff.

[@Dominus_Potatus]

I can see Pan-EU cruiser will shoot Missile lmao

[@user-ms4ef8xz9t]

I gave up on the Dutch ships. Planes that won't fly as far as your guns will shoot. Not much logic in that.

[@thepancakepower5436]

I’m sorry man, I don’t agree with you. I think these new cruisers are great with their new gimmick. They are underpowered with equally underpowered planes. They are hard to get hits with, and if you get hit by the air strikes that is 100 percent you’re fault for not paying attention to the enemy ships and the positioning of your ship. I have been killed one to many times by island campers and I think this is a great addition to he game.

[@Ronaldopopkings]

Even if you stay hidden, and the enemy cant shot you. They just shot someone else on your team.

[@nickname_5871]

i played them a lot, they are rather bad or at least below decent. Gun damage is just horrible in 1v1 duels you lose every time, only way to make damage is to be skilled with planes and fires. In my opinion the are not really game breaking because it is easy to counter those planes or at least dodge good part of if so you take 3-4k damage what is kinda nothing when in bb. Other types can dodge them without any trouble unless they are sitting still, what at the end of day is their own fault.

[@taylorsimmonds9957]

Just played a game with 2 carriers and 2 Harlems.... Least fun I've had in any game of any type ever. If this is what this game is becoming I'm done

[@MrTrool323]

Leading ships works with airstrikes works IF the player is a total potato and ignores the massive fucking icon coming their way The guns themselves are anemic dmg wise,HE is also pretty crap,long reload and god awful accuracy

[@cmdrvicprower]

i can understand ur arguments, and can see some of the merits of what u say.... but island campers have been one of the things that annoy me for so long, so its hard to feel sorry for them for being ..."unfairly" damaged by airstrikes.... that aside, good commentary tho.

[@chronographer]

It's really interesting to compare the airstrike to the torpedo. Torpedo: High risk high reward - Airstrike: Low risk, moderate reward. Torpedo: Require relative ship positioning - Airstrike: Doesn't require ship positioning. Torpedo: Utilizes map layout (channels between islands) - Airstrike: Ignores map layout (islands). Torpedo: Small hitbox - Airstrike: Large hitbox. Torpedo: Low chance of high damage - Airstrike: High chance of moderate damage. Torpedo: Punishes pushing - Airstrike: Punishes camping. Torpedo: Rewards aggressive play by destroyers - Airstrike: Rewards passive play by cruisers. Torpedo: High prediction skill, punishes passive play by battleships - Airstrike: Low prediction skill, punishes passive play cruisers. It's like the idea was to reduce camping and passive play, but it results in the opposite, even _more_ passive play as the one safe way to advance is now removed.

[@thematrixredpill]

Russian CVs are busted. One attack took nearly 80% of my health in a Bagration Cruiser. xxxx you WG.

[@comrade3909]

Subs aren't making the game passive: Change my mind.

[@robert7984]

Camper Buster if anything.

[@vankristlabs]

Thank god this turned out to be alarmist assumption

[@Hanibaltherogue]

Nothing in this game is more harmfull for it than the 3sec firestarters sitting behind isles... i think its good to be able to annoy them aswell. B ut the whole game is broken anyways^^

[@rickb6694]

Everyone's talking about armor and damage etc etc... and I'm just like um, all those parachutes look dumb as fuck, can we talk about that? Tired of more PLANES being added to World of WarSHIPS.

[@HughMorris69]

It's WG they looking for quarters everywhere.

[@danielmillaire6412]

Had exactly the same though yesterday regarding these ships. Bad for the game for sure. Slowly moving away from battleships warfare feeling while playing. Don't know about other new Russian CV yet but the T8 one is just stupidity broken. I don't, can't understand why WG is ruining their game that way. They truly are completely disconnected from their player base...

[@rectusfemoris4382]

I cant do anything when I see the submarine near me.

[@dragonpup5883]

So Dutch cruisers are bad for the game because they won't go after DDs as much early, which leads to DDs capping more easily, and that leads to BBs not pushing because then DDs will torp them? (and the predator of DDs, rocket planes, were nerfed which make them even safer to play) That doesn't sound like a Dutch cruiser problem, that sounds like the problem is DDs influence the game far too much.

[@iridium58]

I used to play the Demoines for hours...loved that ship, then cv ap bombs came, bs sap rounds with citadels....aa useless...been almost a year I dont play the Demoines, wow killed it.. .

[@tech4172]

Was a great airstrike until the nerf just due to whiny no lives

[@mathiasschon5113]

On positioning: If I get hit in my ship behind an island, I need to find another way to play that ship or play another one. It feels like there is too much complaining. New stuff adds new wrinkles, which leads to adjustments. Who wants to go on with the same stuff forever. Is it all balanced? Hell no. But change is good and keeps the game interesting.

[@Alexander27463]

I just want my Dutch cruisers to be pretty decent ships, I'm Dutch And for me this just feels so dissapointing

[@wolf986]

I dont think the buffalo argument was good. The Buffalo can encourage passive gameplay too, no one likes to be HE farmed by a ship they cant see. So they back off. These ships stink, but a lot of the argument hinges on "old days better". Still like your content etc.

[@doge4818]

Honestly they are boring but the 7providences is fun to play.

[@2fat4airborne44]

They are boring.... Gimmick is something that is not reliable Ship themselfes..well...so many better options with better "strenghts" than dutch airstrikes

[@markspencer4357]

Love them

[@marcusfranconium3392]

The nerfed the ships hard. none of the ships have the historic fire controll systems ,

[@squishy_princess]

It's an arcade game not a simulation;3

[@magnus_bd6185]

Underpowered ships with an underpowered gimmick !!!! i ain't wasting my time grinding this line !!!

[@VuHien2011]

it all depends on the situation. Sometimes, you wish you have torps when the BB is rushing you and you cannot do as much damage as with torps, other times when enemy ships are on the other side of an island and you cannot torp them, then it is the only time, airstrike is superior.

[@timoamsbeck9959]

I think this mechanic is not worse Tha other. For example you said it bad for the radar cruiser that should go into a good position behind that island, that I can be dropped. I say radar is brocken in the first place it should not work without line of sight.

[@randalhuffman8827]

yea, you see how little damage it does. who cares if it is easy to use. it still became a worthless gimmick.

[@ardenritzel4052]

And if ur in a battle ship or cruiser and ur sitting behind a island that’s close to enemies that’s not a smart play. A DD could push and kill that person easily. So it’s maybe teaching the people not to put them self in bad spots

[@JohnK68]

Well i was born in the city of Haarlem, a no brrainer to get that ship. And really can't say it's a dull line. And over time ship statistics change also. But to be realistic WoW sucks and they implement the next gamebreaking feature after the other. You only end with wasted time and an empty wallet.

[@randalhuffman8827]

free damage?? lol... that implies you hit, and the strike deals damage...... everyone huped these so bad that they got nerfer to the point airstrikes are pretty much worthless..... if only we complained that much about torpedos.... and subs.....

[@freetolook3727]

Even though this is an arcade game, it defies reality that eight planes can take off of a cruiser.

[@iridium58]

Another BS ship from wow....dying a slow death sad..

[@Keldarahs]

Always Complaining

[@russianbias8003]

based

[@rildain76]

People complaining about the game is not the players’ faults, it’s WG’s fault. I’ve heard him give credit to WG for doing something well. There’s just rarely opportunity to do that.

[@DefinitelyEllie]

A ship line that continues the trend of directly hurting battleships. Battleships keep getting worse and worse with no compensation