Wargaming Forsake Their Apology In Less Than 1 WEEK!

[@thomasgronin2504]

Community: "WG, why are you guys digging yourself this deep hole? Maybe don't do that and come up again?". WG Management while digging deeper: "Shut up! You can only critizise us if you have dug you own hole!" Community: "..."

[@000BlackSoul000AMVs]

10/10 comment! 🤣🤣🤣

[@iamfodder1017]

There are words, and then there is action....and we all know which counts most. True colors on full display...again.

[@but_can_you_meme4056]

''There are words'': - Fuck you WG and your disgusting practices ''Then there is action'': - We support WG anyway by playing their games everyday Just by signing in players support WG. Why would Wg change when their playerbase is purely vocal in their actions?

[@misterthegeoff9767]

I'm a business analyst with over 10 years experience. It is literally part of my job to criticise developers, especially for not paying attention to the requirements of the customers. And I agree with everything you have said here about the problems with the culture at wargaming starting right at the top.

[@anvutrong6870]

Wow

[@darkhawk4863]

Hey Geoff... long time no see! ...yes, that Hawk, aka Zhang here. ;) If it's not you, then nevermind. But... yeah... they really make it harder and harder to like this game, don't they?

[@misterthegeoff9767]

@@darkhawk4863 Long time no see. Yeah I took a couple of years off and came back recently, started watching this channel to remind myself how to actually play half decently, but apparently picked a doozy of a time to come back. Playing on EU these days not US so things are active in my time zone.

[@siriusczech]

@@misterthegeoff9767 welcome back to this tragic comedy, you have come to the creepiest show of recent times!

[@darkhawk4863]

@@misterthegeoff9767 Yeah, makes sense. And the thing is: the core of the game is still really fun... as long as you have limited interaction with carriers and certain specific ships that break things. But yeah, WG themselves are trying SO HARD to ruin a good thing, it seems.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

The usual dumb company behaviour: "Lets cut our hand to save one finger" Logic 100.

[@legiran9564]

They not only cut off the nose just to spite the face but remove the entire skull too.

[@darkhawk4863]

WG: So... we'll harp on about communications, blame the players, then fire the wrong guy and hope no one notices. Us: Totally noticed WG: ...also... Nerf the Germans again, and don't tell anyone, because why communicate?

[@YTPartyTonight]

//I've met Sub Octavian in person. He seemed like an arsehole, NGL. Incompetent and malicious are not mutually exclusive.

[@OOZ662]

From the Reddit perspective, he was basically everybody's bro when there were only minor complaints about the game. Then the CV rework hit, everyone started hating it, he was tasked with defending it, and when people didn't put down their pitchforks for him he took it personally, had a meltdown, and went on "haitus;" basically he just ran away. Eventually he came back, found things onl slightly less hostile, I feel like I recall there being some business about him "talking behind the players' backs" about how dumb/ungrateful we all are, and when that came to light he vanished from Reddit for good.

[@atpyro7920]

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." I think we need a WG Razor: "Attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, for that stupidity loops back into malice anyways."

[@UhackUdie]

Agreed.

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

How about "if you don't play the game, don't F with it"? If I can't criticize "balancing" because i am not a developer, by WG's own logic they should not make changes to agame they don't play (know anything about).

[@Dcarp7]

Yep. Sounds about right for everything.

[@jaywerner8415]

OOOOF, 10/10 burn.

[@simongodfrey3765]

Excellent comment!

[@Boatswain_Tam]

Love your choice of ship to feature in this video. It's as broken and stupid as the company that made and market it

[@jakebendixen1157]

Lol you don’t have to be a fire fighter to say the building is on fire. What a dumb way for them to approach people talking about balancing decisions

[@mkgaming990]

Well taken Buddy I like the way you express the situation hats off.

[@zobayer1]

If they can say, "don't criticize us unless you are a developer", can we tell them "don't tell us the game is balanced when you don't play your own game". I agree that it's easier to criticize others' work, but that does not make criticism invalid.

[@sambrown8224]

LOLOLOL WTF?!!! When is the last time they went on the WoWs forum? Players have ALWAYS tried to get the Devs to listen to the community's suggestions and complaints. They are all there for anyone to see (If anyone is looking)

[@onemileperhour]

its crazy that you and Flamu both used the "chef" and "director" examples to counter the same statement, lol

[@saavedra909]

Gnei was one of the most hard-working, dedicated and also good nature (something extremely rare in Wargaming) worker that would welcome you kindly, read your problems, actually take some time from his work to seek for a solution and display humanity unlike others of his former *backstabbing* co-workers. He was first thrown under the bus with the Yukon fiasco and now finally executed by the blood-thirsty russians.

[@taterkaze9428]

How to send a message: organize one-day strikes, all players chose another game, and make sure WG knows about it. Suggestion: Naval Action, an age-of-sail combat & open-world game developed in Ukraine. The Russians would really hate that last detail. If the WoWS streamers organized something like this it would do more than issuing commentaries or making complaints.

[@jross985]

Now to redistribute commander skills costs 125 doubloons - more money grabbing.

[@sigmawarrior.fokeryou]

Always has been. And that's not only 125db. It's the price for a low skilled commander. 19 point is 500db.

[@SSky2195]

Redistribute skills should be free… or cost credits. It’s stupid how they charge you to try new skills… or change skills as your captain get new points.

[@sigmawarrior.fokeryou]

@@SSky2195 that's not stupid. You can do it with Free commander XP or money. It's fair. The game is not free to develop and maintain. But you can play mostly for free. There's nothing wrong in the company pay his workers and profit.

[@SSky2195]

@@sigmawarrior.fokeryou I would support the company by buying premium ships and skins.. but charging me for captain resets? I agree you can do the free exp thing, but I still feel the greed.

[@aristosachaion_]

Dude, EVERYTHING in this game has been monetised in some way or another. If the only place to spend money was in the armory for ships, camos, and doubloons, sure, but CREDITS, the resource you're supposed to get just by playing the game, is something you can buy with money. Captain resets, retraining, dismissals, and upgrade demounting SHOULD NOT have the option of, or in some cases be the only option of costing REAL MONEY. That shit is predatory as fuck. Not even EA monetises every single aspect of their games like this.

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

TOLD YA, apology without action is meaningless

[@alinmeleandra3175]

As a SW architect I can promise you that the process WG is talking about may exist but is defiantly not followed... What it appears is that there is a guy at the top who dictates all the moves, and all the team lines up behind him... and since is based on the 90's soviet ruling system the priority for the entire company is to protect the big boss (probably in Kremlin), protect next boss (probably CEO), protect the chief on WoWS, and so on the so forth... The least protected are the players (customers) and just above them are the devs who work outside Russian borders... For most other companies, the order is board of investors, then customers and then parts of hierarchy I mentioned above.... but soviet companies (this was also true in the 80's and 90's) really don't care about customers, at all... They don't care about the board either since investor are in most cases "dubious" persons who use a multinational company to laundry money via off-shores (like Cyprus)... PS. I am not talking about all Russian companies, I only talk about those who appear to be build on soviet "standards" and WG, based on the way it acts and communicates is definitely a soviet company...

[@pleiotropik]

Woooo... That really puts a dent on the fender of the old Volga car Bezhnev liked to drive.

[@CaptianMoePedro]

What WG needs to realize, it's perfectly reasonable to be critical of something that you love. It's like you and your SO telling each other about annoying habits, yes they are annoying but you talk about them because you love being around that person. WG has a great concept and game people like playing it and we want to see it be even better. Be critical of the things you love, just be nice about it and don't blow off others critiques of you and your work.

[@ParkHillProjects]

Who actually thought its was a sincere apology? It just got to much attention Internationally , thats why they tried to damage control. As for the german ships, they hated them from the start. The russian bias is actually real and the nerfing of germans is always been that way. They buffed the freaking nevsky, never touched the zao, its ridicoulus

[@ParkHillProjects]

@@Legendendear Never ever trust any company

[@hipperguy1654]

If you think Russian bias is real you're just objectively trash at the game. It's a cope for bad players who can't counter them. Lol.

[@ParkHillProjects]

@@hipperguy1654 oh look a troll😱 I try wargaming logic. Have you ever had a 4000 + XP game? Had you ever more than 300000 damage? Have you had more than 7 kills? If the answers are no, you cant talk to me 😇

[@hipperguy1654]

@@ParkHillProjects If you think Russian bias is real you can't reach those numbers in the first place. Yes, I have had a 4000+xp game. 5500 in ZF-6.

[@ParkHillProjects]

@@hipperguy1654 sure, i cant take you serious at all. There is russian bias and i reached those numbers. What a backwards logic.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

When Kane, a villain from Command & Conquer gets action louder then words and WG does not speaks volumes

[@luke_3_113]

This stuff seems unbelievable, but after so long, you just go 'It's just WarGaming acting as usual'.

[@billwalker9509]

If you remember months ago when took you to task in the comments (which got deleted) for much the same attitude, you are now experiencing what I felt back then. I am happy that attitude is gone and your videos are very well done. Oh, I see in the forum a fix for the German BB guns will be patched today, Friday.

[@blademansw]

The best way to enjoy wargaming titles is go to control panel and uninstall them all.

[@s.31.l50]

Ye it’s a detoxicating experience

[@DamagePointSeeker]

Excellent choice my Friend

[@erlienfrommars]

Main topic aside, 7:34 thanks for reminding me of how nasty Thunderer accuracy can get, I do miss that ship after leaving the game after getting tired of all the crap out at WG but I can't bring myself to go back given how WG is hell bent on making me hate coming back.

[@eyema_pierat8993]

They never apologised in the first place. I read their statement several times to try to work out where the apology was. It contained the word apologize, but for what transgression did they "apologize". What transgression did they identify and indicate remorse for - for us being "disappointed". Then they say they are sorry for allowing the situation to come to this (or similar). You say it was well written - as a statement maybe. But not an apology - it was a "non apology", well written for sure.

[@Strothy2]

The game is good IF all of these conditions apply: (add your own below) - NO CV - No Sub - No +- 2 Tier MM - No Smolensk, Thunderer, Petro, or any other broken ship - No one-sided unicum team

[@ParkHillProjects]

No Kremlin, no stealth Radar, no loot boxes, actual communication, dont take the players for granted. Blizzard , a way more significant and beloved Company showed what can Happen if you dont care and do wrong decision after wrong decision.

[@Alex-hy9cw]

Cv's are ok except from a certain few like fdr & the russian ones, though lowering the damage of all other cvs by 20% would make them more fair. (and reduce the spotting range in exchange for some AA nerf or change). Submarines are changed and no longer proven to be anti-dd proof & they're honestly very easily countered. (though all bbs and cruisers deserve some sort of depth charge mechanic.) Yes I hate the +2/-2 MM, I only find this good in specific ships, would rather have it be +1/-1. Smolensk is kinda overrated since its nerf range, thunderer is still a terrible bb for a structured team (hence why you don't see pros using it), petro is getting a nerf (wait and see, petro is terrible vs threats who angle vs it ). Yeah games are stomps, daily I see at least 4 matches where one team doesn't lose more than 0-2 ships and wins within record times, a skill-based system (which is hard to make) would be nice.

[@Adplosive]

No broken matchmaker with all radars/ gunboat DDs on one side

[@axecrow9009]

The game is good only when there are no Russian ship.

[@antoniohagopian213]

@@ParkHillProjects kremlin is shit

[@zlpatriot11]

This isn't solely a WG issue. It highlights the overall issues with the gaming industry as a whole: lootboxes, monetization, toxic work environment, low pay, high turnover rate, etc.

[@harrisonw9883]

PQ as always spittin facts

[@cyrilscordia9565]

"present your feedback and opinions in a smoothed and lucrative way "

[@rbaron7352]

It is not the smolensk, the thunderer, the carriers that is the problem. The problem is how do you allow for multiple types of game play, experiment with new ships and how do you fix things when you get it wrong (for example, the broken economy of the missouri). If wargaming hadn't used the missouri as a cash cow to sell loot boxes, the ship's economy could have been fixed. As the community has generally become aware of the problem of loot boxes during some events and the actual odds of getting a missouri (plus they will eventually publish the drop rate), it will no longer be the cash cow it was.

[@egillis214]

WG could EASILY get feedback with a new in game Random battle mode that allows players to pick and filter ship types... allowing you to play with or block some or all CV, Subs etc. Tracking this by frequency would provide WG with infinite feedback on ships and design choices made. The numbers don't lie

[@Admiral_Nimtz]

Totally agree with you that playing for more than a few games now gets stressful. Match making either puts you in a roll over team or on a team where the game is over in 7 minutes. I'm not claiming to be a great player but in the 6 years I have been playing I would have more wins than loses in any given evening of playing. I feel now that I'm nothing more then cannon fodder for Whale's that throw vast amounts of money to the game. Premium ships are incredibly expensive and loot boxes have unreasonable odd's. What I feel is that WG now has a 6 year old game that is declining in its popularity, because of changes they made and not listening to CC's or anyone else in in the player base. So yes they do not care about the long time player base but have chosen to create as much revenue in the game as possible before most players move on to something else. Nothing last forever in gaming, but I do feel if WG was more in tune with its customers (what we are) they would make more money in the long term, than a money grab in the end,

[@arch_2076]

I had the exact same thoughts on the last bit, they’d make more long term than trying to rip as much money as possible from the player base

[@aristosachaion_]

That's the problem; they only care about making cash quickly instead of developing a long-term plan to keep their customer base as happy as possible so they can keep coming back and maybe spend even more money. It's such a straightforward solution, but hey, greed above all else.

[@cmdrvicprower]

Well as for the GK and FdG 406mm guns issue, seems on forums there's a post that states it's a "bug" and they will...fix it soon

[@adayhr]

Many thanks for your videos bro!!🤜🏻🤛🏻

[@lt_walke4088]

I think that the 406mm nerf was an oversight by different staffers working on the new German battlecruisers (which were receiving a nerf to their 406mm pen) My guess is that someone was lazy in coding the battlecruisers and instead of creating fresh code for the new ships, and as a result when they nerfed the 406mm pen of the battlecruisers it in turned nerfed the FDG and GK. It is entirely possible that the individual nerfing the battlecruisers was unaware that the codes were intertwined. Mistakes happen. As to the firing I had heard yesterday (dont remember where I read it either) that the individual was fired because the team in WoWS that he worked with previously pushed for his dismissal? There maybe things behind the scenes that lead to this, not that WG cannot even discuss it.

[@vestal896]

can we just stop a min and ask what the hell was that minotaur at 7:40 shooting at??

[@i4y]

It's a pride "thing". They'll never ever ever ever ever admit to any wrongdoings. (period)

[@austinpowersfasjer]

Even tho im very anti-WG (have been for years), its fair to note that WG itself is not under investigation for money laundring. Its third parties that handle their transactions. If it turns out WG is directly involved then its game over. But i dont see this as a fact at this moment and we should not speculate on this either.

[@freetolook3727]

I feel another "apology" coming out in the next few days from Wargambling.

[@rockefeller63]

ok hold on... Can someone tell me what is this mino shooting at ? 7:33

[@Espere]

I couldn't play the game for a while at the beginning of August and I'm glad I got the break. Seeing the state of the game and WG's recent decisions, I see no reason to get back at the game.

[@nacho71ar]

Most infuriating of all this is that we lost Cabbage Mechanic (WGNA) (my main game is tanks) over this nonsense ... this is all nuts!

[@freetolook3727]

Ironically, WGNA is a local country western radio station. "Yes, we have both kinds of music, country and western."

[@Equalzer]

Can someone explain to me what PQ said about AA change impacting WG bottomline? Must have missed it.

[@johnnypatterson7512]

What I find amazing is the fact that people actually believed it for a second.

[@samuelmcdonough3605]

One major concern for all of us that invested money in ships as well as video streamers. There is a point at which only damage to the company can be done. My investment is calculated hours played, however streamers/KZbinrs should be wary not to bring the house down. I’m afraid most people will end up disappointed at how far war gaming is willing to go. Russia isn’t exactly known for good business practices. Hell even the common citizen will tell you that you need to bribe officials to get anything done. This company has dealings in Ukraine, a well know money laundering country. I’m pretty sure they do see us a just pay pig’s. It’s not like you can expect any better in a western company. This is still the most fair free to play game out there. I know the curve keeps getting harder but anyone can get a t10 for free.

[@dsilverleaf4668]

Nah path of exile is way better. The graphics r up to date. The devs strive to understand their community. Not that they always get it right. But Chris Wilsons actions speak louder than his words. And we get new content 4 free every 3 months. Chk it bro. And dont let the skill tree intimate u eh ✌

[@nacho71ar]

Ships aren't yours, nothing material ... they've all been just a major expenditure... once game is done you lose them unless you sell your account to someone else

[@shadownightshade2420]

@@dsilverleaf4668 I've also been comparing Wargaming to GGG the past few weeks, the difference is both hilarious and horrifying. It really makes me appreciate GGG so much more knowing that companies like WG exist.

[@samuelmcdonough3605]

@@nacho71ar yes, and do you want the streamers and game journalists to expedite the day your investment is worthless. Can you speak for all. There are thousands of people who can do nothing but watch.

[@nacho71ar]

@@shadownightshade2420 I meant they are not an investment, it's something you've spent money on and once the game is gone or fails... they are as gone as your moolah.

[@thatsquidwardfeel5567]

I don't need to be Ayrton Senna to see a car wrapped around a tree and recognise that dude's fucked up.

[@caracallazjoust1028]

I don't even stream anymore because of this game....don't blame you man!

[@stevegentilly726]

I would like to know where the head office is so I can go show them some UNRESPECTFULNESS!!!

[@legiran9564]

They say Activision and EA are still worse than Wargaming, to that I say "They are just larger".

[@jarreauetcobanez3447]

As being predicted, Wargaming didn't apologize but rather an announcement of their future developments.

[@Halbostfriese]

While we're at it with those unfixed bugs... I missed it if they did fix it, but does Yoshino actually fire 310mm shells now?

[@st_cuthbert544]

They ruined my WHAT?!? *checks beloved underpowered Kurry ap damage pre- and post 10.8* WAAAAAARRRRRGGGGAAAAMMIIINNNGGG!!!!!! *Thunderous footsteps fade away in the far distance in the approximate direction of Russia*

[@tazndrew04]

wargaming will never stick by what they say. It will be words and they will go right back to why we dislike the company but enjoy the game to a certain point. You just cant believe what they say ever and thats how the company is run now. "lets say this and mean absolutely nothing" Brillant send it

[@TxTerror1]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 23 times....well, you know

[@ridgundd7932]

the funny part was when you said its a good game when there is not this ship not that ship no thunderer :) and then he is playing a thunderer love it.

[@comrade3909]

Wargaming gangsta until PQ starts ranting about german guns

[@dewannee]

Not only they are arrogant but also coward... It will be such a great combination if stupid and stubborn also involve... oh?! They got them too?!

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

Refight the last warship, naval art, ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts, from the depths. Support competition. Support sprocket instead of world of tanks.

[@Leanginc]

Oh yeah. I asked about 406mm. They said that it will be fixed tomorrow

[@aristosachaion_]

The fact that GK and FDG's 406s, at least for now, hopefully, have worse alpha than Gneisenau is absolutely hilarious to me.

[@antoniohagopian213]

Well, you can't force them to care about anything or anyone if they don't want to.

[@aristosachaion_]

You can if you stop giving them money.

[@Swarm509]

I think the higher-ups in the game just see players as wallets that they need to suck a certain amount of money out of. Just like in any other company, this is just a product to them and they have quotas and ledgers to fill. This is just like any other large game studio at this point which is unfortunate. The real issue is that it seems the developers on floor, maybe just the manager types making game decisions, seem to detest the players and don't seem to actually play the live game... at all. Much like the people in the high up parts of the company they are just pushing a product and need to keep pumping out "new and cool" stuff to keep the big bosses happy. World of Warships is a job to them, and players just get in the way of doing that job asking for things like "balance" and fixes. The response when asked about going through matchmaker and sorting out all the issues it creates is indicative of this... they say they will look at radar cruisers eventually, maybe. Next year. Maybe. World of Warcraft is having the same issue and it seems to be something that eventually happens when a game gets older, the company gets bigger, and the passion is gone. The player base will continue to fall and Wargaming will get more desperate to make money. I really hope someone is working on a new Warships style arcade/light-sim game in the same vain as World of Warships, I am more then ready to try something from people who have passion for their game.

[@nicazer]

The developer using the "you aren't a chef..." argument is exactly the type of thinking that gave the Soviets their "wonderful" and "very well handled" Chernobyl situation. Ignore the problem and it will go away comrade, for the state is infalliable. Not to say that type of thinking doesn't exist elsewhere (Three Mile Island and Fukushima come to mind) but my points stands nonetheless.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Credit to Fukushima. It took an earthquake and a tsunami to make that happen. And even then a simple relocation of the generators and the issue goes bye bye. Chernobyl is pure human error. Little safety features what there was, bypassed so a test could be performed

[@nicazer]

@@paulrasmussen8953 That is true. I added Fukushima in there because there was criminal neglegence (I think three or four high-ups in the company were put in prison for it) as those backup power systems were not up to code just in case that exact situation occured, so I counted it as human error.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@nicazer and I think part of that was they were using GE plans and they didn't adapt to the area just followed it strictly.

[@nicazer]

@@paulrasmussen8953 That sounds about right. My knowledge from a report I did on the ups and downs of nuclear power in high school so my information may be out of date/inaccurate.

[@KingofStreet3]

So random but what are your settings to run this game. Looks amazing

[@kami761]

It's kinda dunny that now Nassau do more damage than freaking Grosser Kurfurst

[@yemannwaiphyo8817]

Correct me if I am wrong. This new Bug? 3 Point skill, "Focus Fire Training" on Battleships is not Working. with this Update 10.8. It is not Increasing the Priority AA sector as it should when I take that skill. Bug, for a month? when Soviet CVs enter Early Access? I hope it is just coincidence. Edit: 2 points Skills for Cruisers as well. "Focus Fire Training"

[@drink15]

I enjoy watching a good dumpster fire. Keep it up!

[@nokuhobune]

Fish rots from the head

[@fuloran1]

At this point, only wholesale senior leadership turnover is left. Nothing else is going to do anything to fix this.

[@freetolook3727]

- Deniability. - Lack of empathy. - Non apologetic. - Quick to blame others. Sounds like some Cold War Soviet communistic mentality there.

[@insanemaniac9317]

That first salvo was disgusting 2 pens 2 fires balans

[@1338Sunshine]

All of the drama unfortunately comes with this game and the company that makes it. This sh*t storm has now cost 2 people their livelihoods and is no longer just impacting people's feelings. Going to cut back my WOWS play time and will continue to boycott in game and premium shop purchases. BTW, I have not played a WOT game in over 3 years now and do not miss it one bit.

[@VikingSCA]

No WG deserves what it gets! Keep us informed!

[@Dirt1061]

If you try to buy a ship from the armory, you get a buy button is Russian, so a bug there

[@floatingstudio6363]

Other people (Jingles) said, that we have to stay on WGs back to make them keep their promises....I disagree, why would I continue using a product I don't like and hope, that it will be a better product in the future? Even pay for it? I thought, the customer decides, what to buy and what not to buy? That is, how capitalism works, comrades. I don't have to be a developer to not buy your product. If at some point it becomes a better game, maybe. The ball is in WGs court, simple as that.

[@joeking9760]

It's because people have spent a lot of time and money on the game and hope that their abuser will one day change and become the romantic partner they initially fell in love with. Some call it sunk cost fallacy. I'd call it blindness or naivety.

[@Admajors]

I've played this game for about 4.5 years now, and spent a large sum ($$$$) of money, because this is the main game I play and I saw it as a form of entertainment spending (like going to the movies). After seeing the events culminating* in this current state of affairs: I'm done. I'm going to cut my play time down from 3.5k battles a year to about zero. I'm going to look at selling my account to some willing party in order to recuperate some funds for other hobbies. I can't continue to support this game and company with such massive amounts of time and money. Now, I feel like those are not only wasted on WG, but enabling the hole dug by the company to go *even* deeper.

[@arch_2076]

May want to have a look into the account selling, pretty sure WG has a term where you can’t sell accounts as it’s their property, I wish you luck though

[@Admajors]

@@arch_2076 They technically do, but there was a discussion on the forums where WG seemed *more* concerned with accidentally shutting down a whale's account. So, it seems to be viable at the moment?

[@jcurwen]

What is happening to this game is same thing that happened to WoT. Crazy new things and something that they call "improvements", but in reality they are just things that are making game much worst. And you don't have to be some kind of Sherlock to see that WG is milking this sinking (or dying) cow very hard. But they have time still. Players who decided to leave WoT (like me) can always play WT. But the players who would like to leave WoWS behind there is nothing atm, and I mean "nothing good as WoWS (even the game is what it is right now)".

[@tedoyle61]

Yea, I had to earn my Missouri the old fashioned way.

[@franks471]

tired of it? nah. I enjoy a good shitshow.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

OMG! I am SOOOOO shocked!

[@deaks25]

When other departments within the same company are royally pi$$ed at you, then something is *definitely* wrong. There is obviously some seriously arrogant and ignorant people at the top of the WOWS Team, because now the WOT Team are angry at them. The problem is, as long as the same people remain at in the decision making positions without a higher power forcing change on them, there will be no change. The Game Directors, the two name on the Big Apology, need to go and people who give a damn, possibly from NA where people at least occasionally try to engage with players, need to be put in their place.

[@colconn57]

They aren't "human beings" per se. They are a corporation. So they have no empathy or compassion. Just the corporate goals. That's what they judge themselves on. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@DamagePointSeeker]

Reasons i quit this game: -Toxic players becoming more and more common -and all of the stuff mentioned here.

[@lasombra120680]

I've heard more about drama from WG than I have heard about new ships, features ect. for several months now. That is not a good sign.

[@borislohmeyer3695]

'quit' game 3 or 4 times. but the latest brilliant content WG produced made me finally quit this game forever. there was a time when i really loved this game but these times are long gone. played this game on high level, met fine ppl and some very bad individuals, waiting for balance changes for like years, spent thousands of Euros, raged more and more, CV-'rework', Subs, removal of signals from achievements, then the continious bad treatment of good and intelligent CCs and now this shitshow. so sad to see the almost best content this game offers is the sheer incompetence and ignorance of this developer/degenerates. cheers, yours fUBAR_REKt aka fULL_HP_bAXXTER.

[@divingadventures121]

Uninstalled this game and haven’t looked back since. Sad really...it was fun back in the day.

[@seanelucero]

Why do you disable game chat?

[@simongodfrey3765]

If there's a problem with a company's culture, it invariably starts at the top and permeates down. I'm not at all surprised that Wargaming's sorry behaviour is endorsed by senior execs. An inability to examine your actions and accept justified criticism is a basic failing in a mature human being.

[@stevegentilly726]

It is called WARCRAPPING!!

[@batrastardly4574]

No surprise here.

[@deaninchina01]

So if the developers don’t play the game, they should not be able to comment on what the in game mechanics and experience is???

[@Roddy229]

Mal_h's comment says it all. They give zero fucks. And it's them, they're just not caring about who sees it.

[@siriusczech]

Simple answer to "do not criticize something you didn´t create unless you create something similar" is "do not try to persuade us you can balance a game you don´t even play (and know how to play)". Nobody from WG is able to play a CB, or am I missing someone?

[@Mirrodin82]

I think WG should take lessons from Iron Maiden on how to treat their fans....

[@henryhamilton4087]

Just to correct : Wargaming HQ is in Cyprus, I mean saying Russia isn't entirely incorrect provided the context but it would be nice if you can be more accurate! I quit WG titles years ago, and I'm not surprised where it is going now. They should be getting mainstream media attention like Blizzard, EA, and Activision.

[@MikeAndersson]

they are to small ;D

[@BergenDev]

Cyprus for tax benefits.

[@rallius8629]

I've been sort of oscillating between simply quitting or doing something more substantial. As much as I want to do something more affirmative like afk'ing out of every double CV random it would feel bad knowing I'm ruining someone else's game time. In the end even if I'm enjoying every 3rd or 4h game I think its time to quit. Not renewing sub after current time expires. Media drama aside these guys are about as bad and as unscrupulous as I've ever run across in any game I've played in the last 20 years.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

Just for funsies: Can a secondary Gouden Leeuw work?

[@Strothy2]

probably not...

[@Tearnofear]

They didnt Fix the Torpedobug =D