CHEAPEST vs MOST EXPENSIVE AMMO! (100-500 yds!)

Trent and Treavor put the cheapest and Most expensive ammo they can find head to head in shoot off to see what comes out on top!
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[@jaimepawelek8028]

Did yall let the barrel cool between the different brands of ammo?

[@whitesturgeon]

There is no takeaway here, other than particular guns like particular ammo, but we all knew that already.

[@HillDogTV]

agree. pissing on the cheaper stuff is easy tho, right? some guns will like this, an others will like that.

[@phild9813]

Yeah I had a 6.5 creedmoor that shot the best at like a half inch with Norma whitetail that I bought for like $20 a box. There’s certainly some consistency lost in the cheaper stuff but it may not even play out that way in reality.

[@brandonjett16]

If that barrel was not cooled down I'd say the second two groups might of been better

[@rodrodriguez9915]

Trevor has a good idea, use the same grain as your sig

[@Randy4me]

Looks like Sig dialed their gun in with their own ammo. Can't go wrong with that pair.

[@kevinh4631]

to have a good test you Really NEED to have the same grain bullet.

[@GregTaylor-ep9bk]

The twist rate of the barrel may not be matched for that lighter bullet. The twist rate is probably too fast for the lighter bullet. You need to match the same grain (140gr) of bullet as your Sig ammo. Seating depth can also affect accuracy between brands. Powder type and charge will also affect accuracy. To many variables in factory ammo. Reloading and building your own ammo is key for accuracy.

[@tylerbeaudoin3310]

Great video, that barrel is pretty thin and was likely throwing shots after the first group (5-6 shots) at 480 due to barrel temp.

[@davefabian2942]

Trying matching bullet weight and velocity next time, and maybe two different brand rifles

[@JosephDavis-s5v]

I have done the same test using all 140gr. Ammo and found that the sig ammo still out performed all other brands that I have shot out of both of my 6.5 Creedmoor rifles

[@ericcochran4831]

It would be interesting to also see the difference between a new sub moa precision rifle compared to a "good" pawn shop find(or Grandpa's gun) of same caliber, same ammo. "Elite" Trophy Hunter vs Entry Level Freezer Filler.

[@stevenfields4422]

Has to be same grain Have to clean the gun between ammo Have to keep what u can control as close to the same as possible

[@jeffnearing719]

Use same grain but have someone mark the case and random load the magazine. Then as you eject the case, have someone record what hit it went with.

[@gregeastman8609]

blind test- good idea

[@jmyhre7340]

Guns for whatever reason like different loads, bullet weight. My .280 preferers 140g , 150 or 160s, not so much. Different powder charges to. Vibration of the barrel, harmonics if you will, all effects groups.

[@derekwwharvey4]

When are we gonna get the clothing/gear review video after a year of you guys trying every brand?

[@danielback3236]

Interesting, as some have said different guns like different ammo. But I can say in my own limited testing with 243 Win, that PowerPoints on 2 deer did not make an exit wound, corelokts on 3 deer didn’t make an exit wound, fusions on 1 deer did not make an exit wound. But Nosler partitions blew out of a backside shoulder. All shots witching 75 yards. To be fair they all died so I can’t complain too much, but my limited experience has me wanting to pay a little more for better Performace.

[@RMM--uv7uk]

Run all 140gr. That is the most common. Available in many many different bullet types. Then do a separate video on all copper bullets, since they are lighter and faster.

[@loochbar1]

I've never seen a 6.5 that liked that bullet weight.

[@jasonbresette8904]

We didn’t see it, but did you guys clean barrel and action ever in this test? Just curious?!

[@markhargrove8810]

Love the video, great comparison, the exact reason that I handload. It is good to know if you are shooting factory ammo, maybe a reality check on how far is ethical with cheap ammo.

[@taylorbundy5632]

You should make a video testing factory ammo vs reloaded ammo. Go through the premium options when it comes to brass like ADG, Peterson and Lapua. Unknown Munitions makes insanely great custom ammo!

[@daviddemand6856]

In many cases, the quality and performance is highly correlated to cost as it pertains to ammunition. You’re paying for consistently measured powder charges, projectile dimensions and precision manufacturing of such, as well as quality of components. If running ammunition from the shelf, shoot various options and see what the rifle shoots best for the intended purpose, and only consider cost when there are more than one providing good results. Otherwise, hand load.

[@gsxr1189]

In my experience owning precision rifles with Bartlein, Kreiger, Proof Research & Christensen Arms barrels. A good barrel will shoot just about anything even Wolf steel case ammo 1 MOA or less at 100yrds & they seem to like every ammo you feed them. If a barrel won't shoot cheap ammo well it speaks just as much about the barrel quality as it does the ammo quality.

[@Whitey3755]

This guy gets it. 🤙🏽

[@OttoNoack]

I’ve tried those Winchester before on 6.5 creedmor on a weatherby vanguard and holy crap they shoot horrible, couldn’t get a sub 5 inch group at 100, switched back to eld-x and got right back on the money

[@bobroth972]

Same bullet weight and barrel temp would be interesting.

[@DenverBeerMan22]

Its definitely eye opening, but I think they key and most important part here is your gun should always be "Setup" to the ammo you prefer to buy/shoot. Its clear your Sig gun is/was setup to shoot Sig ammo. The different grain could be a play. But a True test would be set up 3 similar guns to each of the ammo types and repeat this test. Set the gun to the ammo repeat the test at different yardages and see what happens. Just an idea. But thanks for this field test it was cool to watch it unfold.

[@blackbeard0323]

Winchester was the wrong choice for cheap, federal is hands down the best budget ammo. Winchester is the highpoint of ammo!

[@phild9813]

High points at least work well. I generally haven’t had good experiences with Winchester ammo lately.

[@blackbeard0323]

@@phild9813 Highpoints are like betting on a prostitute to be faithful. 100% unreliable, Winchester budget ammo is somewhere in that world...

[@erock7382]

You should do some hand loads as well

[@anthonyshields8132]

I got the sig cross .308 and have found that the Hornady sst 165gr shoot the best out of this rifle compared to nosler or the sig ammo

[@dougmccoy1260]

Your shot strings rising, thats usually a barrel getting hotter. I read the comments. On average they are right. Diff weight bullets, barrel heat, harmonics. Find out what it likes and shoot that.

[@josephrogers8213]

Take one round each try to hit paper plates at 300 hundred yards Just to see left over ammo out of your pocket will get the job done

[@kevinh4631]

shoulds put the hornady 140 eldm or 143eldx in there too. Thats the most common and popular ammo for the 6.5 creed.

[@chrisbrooks3569]

Whats the twist rate on the cross

[@russellwatters5891]

This was almost eye opening...lol 😂😅 I figured the Winchester rounds, never a fan anyways, but Nosler?...😊

[@extremeamericanfishing9346]

I’d hope the sig shot best… built the ammo around the gun.

[@dustinburris8739]

It all really depends from gun to gun. I've been shooting different ammo through my savage .270 win trying to figure out what I will use for elk this year. The cheapest ammo I have shot has so far been the best with a group that was a little over 1 moa, all the rest have been more expensive, like $0.50 more a round, but those have all shot 2 moa or worse.

[@clayniss]

Yeah didn't really take anything away from this but I'm also a handloader. This is why you run a ladder test when developing handliads

[@dhooter]

Single feedin factory ammo? Doesn’t fit in that mag?

[@EastCountyMtnMan]

Nosler is worth the price IMO

[@messyfisherman4140]

We where just out shooting my wifes 6.5 creedmoor out of curiosity what round did you guys use on elk a couple years ago

[@rayestrada5195]

I would have like to have seen. One five shot varying the ammo with each shot just to see if it had to do with barrel temperature's wind drift or maybe thermal rise but unless you're in a controled environment those things aren't real in hunting anyway we all know certain guns do better with certain ammo. Most a all previous comments apply. Fun test guy's

[@Nick-jf5bx]

This is why I got 308, so much cheaper. $19.99 for target ammo.

[@dablaugntximntxub2318]

to find out what your gun shoot better groupings didn’t mean it’s the most expensive bullets..to find out but 3 types of bullets and shoot 3 shots each and take the best groupings as your gun preferred

[@kevinh4631]

Next take that accubond ABLR 140gr and the sig 140 OTM and the Hornady 143eldx.

[@SNAGEMNTAG3M]

This is great I love it only thing I can think of would say is barrel temp and charge cheap isn't best in most the research I've done with the 300 winmag when my 264 mag eats cheap ammo and grouos pretty well with it idk just love this stuff in general as always keep it up guys

[@SNAGEMNTAG3M]

Also that gun shoots really well I like the recoil on it looks very minimal

[@codwizard7526]

Awesome

[@caseyholt2099]

Would like to see the eldx bullets in this test.

[@coreystoner4129]

So I’m going to say this and I don’t care if I offend anyone but the ammo you shoot depends on what your gun likes. For example in my 88 Winchester in 308 I have shot Remington psp corelok ammo in 150 grain and the gun loves that but I also shoot a 165 grain hornady sst hand load as well and the gun loves that. I have tried higher price ammo and the gun hates it. Now in my 300 win mag which is a model 70 from Winchester I have cheap ammo and it did ok but as soon as I went to the higher priced ammo such as the sierra tipped game kings or the Barnes ttsx bullets the gun started group sub moa at 100 yards. So in reality it just depends on the gun you are using and what the gun shoots the best

[@brandonjett16]

Every gun likes its own grain and type of ammo

[@jaymiller286]

That’s a sorry test, showed no cleaning between types, grains make a difference too.

[@scottladds7574]

Ammo comparison is a hard one. I have favourite ammo rounds that certain guns I have does not shoot well. For example my .308 shoots federal hunter hybrids best. I bought 8 different brands with similar grains of ammo shot them all and my gun shot the hunter hybrids best. My friend had exact same set up as me (rifle brand and caliber, rings, mount rail, same everything) his shot the hornady eldx best. What does this mean lol I don’t no other than he shoots the eldx,s and I shoot the hunter hybrids.

[@scottladds7574]

Also just wanted to add when we shot these 8 boxes we tried each. We cooled the barrel between every 3 and 5 shot group we did. We did one 3 shot group and 1 5 shot group every brand.

[@codywright8218]

You didnt shoot the same grain bullet? Different twist barrels dont shoot different grain bullets the same. Not a good comparison.

[@josepharellano8688]

MY RUGER 6.5 WILL ONLY GROUP WITH HORNADY 142 GR ANY OTHER AMMO IM ALL OVER THE PAPER

[@brandonjett16]

Manufacturer garentee in 3 shot moa

[@stephenmanukas7601]

No valid information gained from this test. Do it right next time. Same weight projectile, let barrel cool. I'm guessing the results will be very different.

[@davidmerriott7356]

Hahahahaha. Now these guys are shooting experts!!! KZbin will pay anyone!!!

[@adamdavis2436]

Too many variables for this to be a good comparison test. Match bullets vs hunting bullets being the most obvious.

[@robertvarner7392]

When reloading ladder loads, you are right in that a rifle barrel may do better with certain brand ammo, different bullet grains, clean versus one-shot (i. e. not pristine) bore, cold bore versus warm bore, etc. I don't shoot more than 10 rounds of one recipe without at least running a bore snake through the bore, waiting for a cooler barrel, then trying another recipe (or brand/diff grain in this case). Jus' a thot. 🤔

[@malieparilla6794]

done watching

[@jp2041]

Waste of time and money and ammo if you don't let the barrel cool between each group test

[@willllew1202]

Test the same ammo with different rifles.

[@Austin_w8]

I don’t need to watch the video, the experts in the comments that shoot 5 deer, 2 moose a bison and 20 deer every year will tell me what to do 😂😂

Can not compare different bullet weights. Your rifle is dialed in with 140gr bullets. A more valid test in my opinion would be to run all 140gr loads.

[@jmgates09]

Just cause it's not dialed in with a certain weight bullet doesn't mean it won't group good still

The gun clearly likes/groups with 140gr bullets. Comparing groups between 140gr and 129gr bullets is not a very good comparison.

[@zachschoels8597]

Hmmm let's use target rounds vs deer rounds..... oh and not let the barrel cool down between groups.... obviously you're going to have very different results.... hopefully everyone watching this and has a brain will understand how irrelevant this "test" is... wow.....

[@aaronaasen9315]

Considering your sponsored by Sig, I would expect that result

[@nathanielv9539]

Test means little. You changed a test variable. Pulling a trigger to show off a sponsor. C'mon you guys are better than this

[@michaelpurvis4019]

Cold barrel/hot barrel go back and shoot the Sig Sauer again and see that group. Does it still hold true.

[@Slidebite1775]

Use bullets of the same weight. Bullet weight and Barrel twist rate matter. Heavier bullets need faster twist rate barrels to stabilize them. Lighter bullets don’t always do well in faster twist rate barrels.

[@seananderson1002]

Could you maybe do a full walkthrough of after buying a gun, setting it up, doping it in and then setting up to fire? Like to someone who is new, explain what a MOA is and how to properly adjust for target

[@aaronkenepp5231]

I think you guys are great but this isn’t a good comparison you need to use the same weight bullet on this test so you are comparing apples to apples. Thanks guys

[@aldenfilko9068]

Show same ammo in another non sig gun. Would also be nice to show how custom load development can make an off the shelf gun shoot better

[@magnum44270]

Each gun has a preference. Nothing new. Though you were going to do a penetration and Expansion test

[@garyk76]

The thing is each individual rifle will shoot what it likes the most better no matter the price of the ammunition

[@Whitey3755]

He's right about low round count groups not being statistically valid. The entire box of ammo gets close to that n of 30. The big issue with factory ammo is lot to lot variations. I had a 300 Win that i shot the 200gr Precision Hunter out of, 2 different lots, 1 lot shot 10 shot groups right at an inch (1.1"). The other lot averaged 2-3/4" for 10. And that was shot consecutively. It was more for an experiment as I handload, but still eye opening.

[@MrAustonbass]

My 6.5 Cross hates 120gr ammo. No matter the manufacturer. Try all 140gr rounds. More Apple to Apple.

[@zerokool7968]

Try again but make sure you use same grain weight. All my 6.5 love 140gr. My comp gun hates 129.

[@mattsoutdoors7757]

So my tika .308 i am testing ammo. Im doing my own reloads a factory ammo also. So far i have found that she loves the 150 grn hordany sst bullets and the 165 sst and the hordany factory 165. 155 grn hordany fmj she dosnt like as much but the different powder could be a difference. So it was deff a good test on what your gun dosnt like. But i would try 3 different things next time. 1 same grn factory bullets, make sure the barrel is cooled down and the barrel is cleaned each time. It will change also if you run a led bullet vs a fmj bullet. Copper with throw the lead tip bullet off.

[@isaacshields4516]

I have shot boat loads of factory ammo, every setup will shoot different. You could grab another sig that will shoot that Winchester or federal incredibly well. My bergara hmr wilderness in 300 wm actually shoots blue box federal lights out, but will not group to save its life with hornady precision hunter or nosler trophy grade. That’s where hand loading works its magic.

[@kevinh4631]

That GUN does NOT like 129 grain ammo. Thats is for sure!

[@ballersixty9]

I would like to see this without your sponsor being 1 of them cause obviously your gonna shoot the best with those lol

[@BraxtonDecker1]

It is my dream to go on an elk hunt in Oregon with you guys!!!!

[@alexmartin2527]

Why didn't you shoot the hornady match ammo?

[@TradTech]

Match grain weight of all.

[@superduece2291]

Horrible video all around

[@Accuracy1st]

Norma Whitetail ammo is cheap and shoots best in every rifle I try it in or a very close second. Federal blue box Power Shok is frequently right up there also - $25/box at wahmah

[@jmgates09]

Norma and federal seem to be way better on QC than winchester and remington these days

[@Accuracy1st]

@@jmgates09 Yea I watch WTW videos. He shoots a LOT of Remington ammo. Not once have I ever gotten the accuracy he gets in any rifle with corelokt ammo.

[@jmgates09]

@@Accuracy1st he is sponsored by them he probably gets they good shit

[@Gunnut10mm]

I think your results were valid, that sig was optimized to be precision target ammo I don't know but I would suspect that the Nosler was hunting ammo probably with a premium bullet designed to perform better on impacting game rather than being super accurate. Rifles can be finicky about what particular bullets they shoot better. A big thing you could do to help quantify what some of the problems might be would be to chronograph the shots and see if the shot to shot velocities are consistent.

[@tsnellyville]

I would love to see you compare the sig ammo vs hornandy eldx 143’s. My cross will shoot 1/2” to 3/4” @ 100. I think they are about &46/box for the 6.5.

[@tracks_5991]

You should always sit your scope up with the same ammo you will be using brand and grain

[@tigerthedog1]

This guy is an incredible shot