Bosch GBH 18V-22, Hilti, Flex Vs Granite

[@6atlantis]

That Bosch needs a core battery on it. Great vid

[@20020gamer]

Thats not true. Its not a BOSCH BITURBO Tool. Only BITURBO Tools need the Procore Battery with at least 5.5Ah. The Bosch GBH 18v-22 has 1,9J which is 0,5J lower than the Hilti. The GBH 18v-24C is the better competitor.

[@greentjmtl]

@@20020gamer It is true somewhat, the core batteries have bigger cells inside which are more capable of discharging without heating up, so more efficient.

[@20020gamer]

@@greentjmtl​​⁠ yes your right. But thats Not what i said. I said only BITURBO Tools NEED the ProCore with at least 5.5Ah. I only use ProCore Batteries because they are more efficient also for non BITURBO Tools.

[@plan_b_adv]

Thanks mate, great review. It's interesting to see the extra engineering that goes into Hilti to fulfil its generous warranty period.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Yeah mate, it's super interesting! But Hilti does slower updates than other brands, so how will it hold up in 10 years? Time will tell

[@weegeeRK]

damn, man. This video is great! :) I really appreciate how detailed you are with all numbers comparisons etc. I googled Bosch vs Hilti to know how much "worse" the Bosch is (as my father has Hilti and the Bosch is available on a good promo now) and I did not expect to come across such a professional review. Thanks! :)

[@BoltahDownunder]

Thanks mate! I don't do everything so nicely as these are very slow to make, but I do try to give actually meaningful data rather than just my opinion. But if you want my opinion: Hilti is simply the best tool you'll ever use, but most people don't need that. Bosch is great with a bigger lineup and lower prices it's probably the better choice for most people overall, because most people don't need the absolute finest quality of Hilti

[@toolscientist]

9:58 Flex and Hilti are same voltage. Flex is using 4V MAX and Hilti is using 3.6V to get 21.6V, then rounding up. Both are 6s Li-ion.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Oof, 4V is a bit of a stretch! Does anyone else do that?

[@toolscientist]

@BoltahDownunder almost everyone. Makita does it with XGT (40V max = 36V nominal) and CXT (12V MAX = 10.8V nominal). So every brand with a 12V line is doing it (Milwaukee M12, Bosch 12V, Dewalt 12V). Dewalt is 20V/60V in NA, but 18/54V in the rest of the world.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Ah yeah true. It's interesting how nobody bothered saying 10.8v, except maybe Makita in Japan, briefly?

[@shinrah4772]

@@BoltahDownunder The 10,8 V are what the battery has under load. But since especially in America bigger numbers mean better everyone started using 12v which is the battery not under load. I don't have the exact math in my head but basically wether multiplying the individual cells in the battery to get to the final voltage. Hence why it's a big difference wether the voltage under or without load is used as the base. To my knowledge 18v is for example still "under load" so all the 24V or w/e tools are basically the same as 18v, just not using the cell under load as a base for the calculation.

[@ironpirate8]

@@BoltahDownunder Bosch used to say 10.8v for a while. I still have a couple of batteries labelled 10.8

[@Zozo806]

All are solid drills..At least here in Germany the GBH 18V 22 is right now with dust extractor 210 Euros. Also bosch mainly advertice this drill for light duty and over head applications with 6, 8, 10 to 12 mm in Concrete. 22 is the max but between 6 to 12 is its sweet spot. Also Bosch released a new battery nsmed Procore+ with tabless cells, especially for long life. At least they claim 80% more efficinty. I allready saw Tests with an serious increase in run time myself.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Yeah that new battery looks nice for some tools. Bosch said on one of their recent streams that it's only going to improve the bigger biturbo tools, which makes sense as smaller tools don't draw enough current to worry the batteries. But yes getting 73% more runtime or whatever it was on the big SDS max hammer is quite surprising!

[@rockiesbouldering]

Great review and test! What's your take on the difference between the GBH18V-22 vs the older GBH18V-26? I've seen the latter on sale as of late - specs seem similar. Drilling in godstone (limestone). thx

[@BoltahDownunder]

The 26 is a bigger drill, for drilling up to 26mm/1 inch holes. It has about 20% more impact energy, so will drill faster & /or bigger than the 22. Both will handle your stone no worries, but the 22's comfort zone will be up to 14mm ish, whereas the 26 will be optimal up to about 18mm or so

[@toolscientist]

11:00 ok, so Flex is lying about their Wh. Should be 21.6V×5Ah = 108Wh. That will change your numbers a bit.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Ok, I reckon I'll leave it since they're lying themselves into less efficiency here

[@toolscientist]

5:40 will be interesting to see how the HR010G goes as you showed it's basically a 40V DHR182. Do yo have a XGT 2.5Ah so you can direct compare to the DHR182 with 5Ah?

[@BoltahDownunder]

Matter of fact I did that test recently also, but I only had the 4ah. *Spoilers* She got 44.9 holes, and so ended up with efficiency just below the new Bosch, with 21.8. What's your take on the Hilti? How do they manage such good efficiency you reckon?

[@toolscientist]

@@BoltahDownunder could be that your test is right in the sweet spot for that Hilti. Rotohammers waste energy below their optimum hole diameter and struggle to chip enough off when too far above. Could also be the cooling. Most pneumatic or hydraulic systems decline in performance as the working fluid heats up.

[@Иван-ю8т9р]

Good test, thanks. Tell me, I use Makita 182, excellent performance and most importantly the anti-vibration system, in your opinion, how much worse is the anti-vibration of the new Bosch 18-22 than the Makita, because its body is completely “decoupled” from the handle.

[@BoltahDownunder]

The Makita is a bit smoother but they're both quite small and don't vibrate that much to start with

[@toolscientist]

"Price (AUD)": Prices are mostly not in AUD 😂

[@DDD-ux6wg]

Do one on the bigger flex rotary

[@derkaderkaderkastan]

id like to see the same test with the company's bits to match the drill not the same bits. bosh bit with bosh and hilti with hilti and so on to get the full speed comparison

[@xoulis13]

You have to test the Metabo KH 18 LTX BL 28 Q

[@ArtemX988]

I hope xgt hr010 would completely destroy the runtime test and become n.1 leader

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

Flex is $129 usd on Amazon tool only.

[@SkilledLabor]

Dumb Hilti didn’t keep that 5.2 amp Would have definitely made a difference I have and love that TE-4.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Seems like they wanted to make that battery a single row of cells to keep it small, so they ended up with like a 4ah & 8ah with 1 & 2 rows

[@QuockhanhPham20]

Battle between D handle !!! Hilti TE 5-22

[@BoltahDownunder]

There's a TE-5?! Damn, not in Australia yet😭 it looks nice though

[@MorganJoe]

i wish we could get FLEX 24v in the UK..

[@QuockhanhPham20]

But you could get Flex 18V man They are the same Chervon Company (Flex 24V -Flex 18V - Devon 20V - Skil 20V)

[@MorganJoe]

@@QuockhanhPham20 completely different tools although they're the same brand, and I like the appearance of the Black Flex 24v tools, you'll be glad to know I have had Flex 18v tools and they haven't impressed me at all, Standard performance but I did like them, whereas Flex 24v is regarded as one of the best performing tools in America I would like to see them in Uk Stores... Skil has just come to the Uk and I love the price point on them still not an upgrade for me but definitely a great buy for an apprentice, they've filled a hole in the market for cheap professional tools, something I'm glad to see, and had they been available a few years ago I might have bought them. hopefully they bring Flex 24v to the Uk eventually, or even ridgid, Hercules. My Milwaukee tools are amazing but I'd like to spice it up when I buy my next set as I tend to drift from brand to brand, but refuse to downgrade as I assume you'll understand.

[@m..a.99]

Where can i look at your spreadsheet for comparisons?

[@Kostaslilis13]

Imagine the new te 30 nuron

[@BoltahDownunder]

I am! Very expensive though, this is the only one I've got so far

[@Kostaslilis13]

@@BoltahDownunder thats true, this hilti is already perfect for drilling, that te 30 would also be perfect for chisseling

[@ToolsAddictedRO]

This test is not very good, you supposed to use a bigger drill from bosch like gbh 18v-24 C also with 4ah procore battery

[@dusanmilojevic3017]

18-28 because Hilti is 28 also.

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

That bosh was not made in Germany, even though Bosh is a German company there power tools are made in china, as are the other two drills they are made in the same factory in china.

[@BoltahDownunder]

Only seems like the bigger Bosch hammers are still made in Germany. Very interesting about the other two, how do you know that?

[@robertb.3651]

Bullshit, they are made in Malaysia, Vietnam and the big ones in Germany....

[@slinkytrips]

@@BoltahDownunder I have heard that Chervon (Flex manufacturer) makes some of the Hilti Nuron line, there is not much evidence to back that up. However the Hilti multitool is clearly the exact same as the Flex multitool, while they do have different different outer shells the parts breakdown show the internals are exactly the same.

[@TranceSpirit7]

Most Bosch cordless tools are made in Malaysia of where I live. I used to own Bosch but now the whole fleet replaced by Hilti for mansory, rigid for plumbing and Makita for everything else. Milwaukee is another Chinese garbage, powerful at the expense of short lifespan.