(1741) Brady SafeKey LOTO Padlock

Video 1741 is the result of several of you sending in requests to look at the new(ish) Brady SafeKey LOTO padlock.
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[@JoePicksLocksport]

I don’t know whether or not you’ll see this Bill but I wanted to thank you for so much of your time, help, and knowledge. You’ve taught so many of us so much. I wouldn’t be where I am today with locksport without everything you’ve taught me. Enjoy your retirement Bill. You deserve it.

[@jamesford9222]

Bosnian bill these are some of my favorite videos when the majority of us don’t get to see locks like this and you disassemble them so we can see how the internals work. Thank you for the excellent and informative video.

[@paulmoore3893]

How are ppl supposed to learn about locks with our your guidance period

[@JoshStLouis314]

Very interesting design, especially for a LOTO lock. And you can always bend the face-plate back since it is mild steel.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

Well, at least it will really show the tampering with the lock. LOTO's aren't really for security, they are for signaling.

[@ccadama]

@Bosnianbill. I laughed @10:35 when you said"... it will not be good news so let 's do it!" with enthusiasm. And then at the end, the less elegant way to open the lock. Thank you Bill not only for the education but the entertainment. I understand that lock was only intended as a safety lock like for electrical boxes to keep someone from accidentally turning on power when an electrician is working on a circuit and not for security. I guess the unique key makes it easier for workers to remember which key is for the lockout. I appreciate the lessons and what you do in the name of science. Hope you and your family stay safe and well.

[@davidcovington901]

Love that. "Stay safe, stay legal" followed by a successful screwdriver attack. And as often does, he learned a few new tricks while we watched. The real deal, here.

[@douro20]

"Stay Safe, Stay Legal" is an internationally registered trademark.

[@ANonnyMoose5]

Bill apologizing for saying "crap" is the most adorable thing I've ever heard on KZbin.

[@johncage3025]

You’re so creative and innovative! It’s so awesome how good you are at adapting to something that’s outside the norm... I love everything you do!

[@freshgino]

Thankyou for taking the thing apart and destroying it instead of “keeping it in your collection”

[@Xeonerable]

Bill thank you for breaking it for science! That is a very bad flaw being able to just pry it open, take out the core, and then open it.

[@donaldasayers]

It's only a LOTO padlock. It just needs not to be openable by accident or with the wrong key. Brady do the same lock with a nylon body.

[@ishtimal]

Yeaaaaa. It's not meant to really secure things, it's just a lockout lock. If you have to open it with anything other than the key, someones working on something.

[@CrplCon]

I just looked up another lockpick video dealing with this exact lock. The camera was terribly placed, there was almost no dialogue explaining what was happening and the picker was completely unprepared to get each of the tools he needed. I really appreciate the quality of #Bosnianbill videos. The audio is very consistent between videos and he explains everything in a way that I, a non-picker, can understand. I appreciate his self-deprecating humor because, even though he's a knowledgeable pro, he makes me feel like I could do this kind of thing, too. Keep up these great videos!

[@daveh7720]

"Now you broke it, Bill!" Nope. Just unscrew the plate, pound it flat with a hammer, and screw it back on as good (heh) as new.

[@harrychung433]

Don't forget to give it a light buffing. Have to get rid of those incriminating fingerprints.

[@fbidetector4343]

Loving everything you’ve been doing Bill!

[@22k203902]

You must have got it unlocked at 8:22 without the tensioner. Loud and clear click. Great work!

[@Mr.WizardFrumble]

Loved this video! Thank you, thank you :) if they had used better steel for the keyway plate they would have gained a customer. Wonder if they would be willing to make them for security purposes 🤔

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Brilliantly analyzed and defeated, Bill. I'm sure that mild steel plate will work just fine once removed and hammered flat, so the lock is ... still usable.

[@WardenWolf]

it's jut a LOTO lock. It doesn't have to be sturdy or secure. I think this is more than sufficient for what it is.

[@OneOfDisease]

Master brand LOTO locks are some of the hardest locks to pick in their lineup. Great training locks for a picker.

[@Level1Bob]

I think the utmost thing a LOTO lock should be is secure. It is used to lock out equipment that can either mangle or fry the worker accidentally.

[@Harmy79]

@@Level1Bob Noone would pick a lock by accident.

[@Level1Bob]

@@Harmy79 Not by accident. You need to understand the history of the need for LOTO mechanisms. For some reason, some people, when a machine or system is shut down, and they they think they need it back on, have gone to great lengths to turn it back on. There have been a lot of deaths from this type of intentional accident.

[@joshr408]

The core is actually pretty important, the company using these does not want people getting these off non destructively. If they were very easy to pick, Someone could get it off and hurt themselves, and say the machine wasn't locked out. So having a decent core protects the company from lawsuits and osha.

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

That's pretty good security for a lockout lock.

[@bobforgey5572]

Took me a while to be able to get mine open consistently. I ordered the orange and got the orange. The place the side bars grip is plastic, so I imagine a screwdriver could force it to turn without too much effort, even without prying up the bottom plate. Thanks for the video!

[@japudjuha]

Thanks for a great video Bill, very interesting lock mechanism, reminds me a lot of the Tu-bar vending locks.

[@brandonbarker6752]

Like Bill, I too also say, “in the interest of Science...” before destroying something due to my curiosity. That way no one will complain and I can have a little fun.

[@tomwilliams8675]

Interesting lock. But it just feels wrong breaking into a lock out lock 😲🙄☠ I'm a retired high voltage technician 😁👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@KeylessEntry]

Tom Williams Check out #lotolocktuesday We do this for fun in safe conditions👍

[@KeylessEntry]

J Magnusson Certain industry require an all plastic loto, in Australia they are very popular in the Uranium mines

[@tomwilliams8675]

@@KeylessEntry all my loto locks were plastic body with steel shackles. The locks were far from easy to pick too.

[@KeylessEntry]

Tom Williams Were they Master 410s? The hardest loto I picked was a Lockwood 215P40, they are beautiful. I just got in an Abloy AP300 loto with a DD core, it's a monster pick.

[@boboften9952]

@J Magnusson It's About Whom They Can " Ping " For Breaking The Safety Rules . Hint ... Don't Share , Lend Your Lock Or Key . It May Just Lead To A Manslaughter Charge . Protect Yourself , To Protect Others .

[@TedTinker]

hahaha loved the screwdriver attack at the end.

[@RWBHere]

Thanks Bill. A swift blow with a hammer will flatten that metal plate again, after you've disassembled the lock. Good as new... A hardened steel p!ate would also have been better, without any need to cut a slot for a tab. Maybe they did that at first, and then cheapened it?

[@twjohnson1203]

And the poor key had to stand by and watch all of that! "Oh the humanity..."

[@legendarywolfgeneral5572]

Oh the lockmanity

[@brianfield58]

Missed your video this morning. I was going through withdrawals. Thanks for the fix.🙂👍

[@bosnianbill]

Yeah, this new KZbin creator interface is pretty confusing. I THOUGHT it was supposed to publish at 0800, as usual, but noooooo.

[@junkman8742]

My morning was missing something with my coffee, Bill

[@XenoWiz]

Bill you're a hoot man.. I love watching you fiddle with locks learned a lot from you keep it up :) (not gonna destroy 20 dollar lock) 2 secs later yes I am !

[@Redcattledog]

Good to see the cat hair make another cameo appearance 😼

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

This way, the supervisors can remove it easily when the tech loses the key :-)

[@parapicktog7734]

That was really interesting. Very different style. Like some other locks you've picked, the real challenge in this one is being able to tension it with that weird warding. I wonder if a Y wrench like the ones used for car door locks would work, or maybe one of the circular ring tensioners with the little pins. When I first seen the key bitting, it reminded me of a tubular lock and what one might look like flattened out.

[@proberts34]

Wow! The leveraging screwdriver attack. Brilliant!

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

I wound up getting this from you Mr.Bill, but but it back together working great. CHEERS Mate

[@pbacina]

Very interesting and clever design.

[@ntrf-xyz]

Oh, that classic voice recorded through a camera. Brings back memories, esp Almont ReKey video. I'm a bit disapointed that this video didn't end up with the same amount of flying lock parts, but it's a cool lock mechanism anyway. Thanks, Bill.

[@BryanTorok]

For a $20 lock, it would be good enough for a garden shed or kids bike. The core was actually fairly pick resistant. The average picker is not going to have a specialized or custom turning tool for this lock, so in the wild that would stop the thief.

[@JeepinBoon]

You and me gonna get windshield wipers classified as burglary tools! Most handy tool ever on nearly all vehicles

[@umbraelegios4130]

when you see a video longer than 3 minutes you know its going to be interesting.

[@tigerchills2079]

14:38 I understand that from the perspective of a locksmith this is a big issue. But if you think from the perspective of construction sides, it probably makes sense to have a partially destructive override. I could imagine that the situation might emerge, where the machines are clear to run, the team is in safety but someone lost his key. Let's pop that lock before we lose another hour of revenue on the machines.

[@hxlize4913]

bit of a late comment here but from a tradesman, most workplaces using LOTO will have all teams locks keyed the same eg: one of the electricians will come and inspect it and take their branch’s lock off. doesnt matter if the original key is lost as any tradesman of that branch can verify safety and remove the lock.

[@rcatyvr]

Where would LockLab be without a big fat cat hair in the middle of the picture? Love it!

[@bradw0535]

Weird, I had ordered a silver one from Amazon awhile back.. received an orange one also! Thanks Bill, good thorough review of this lock 👍🏻

[@AltGrendel]

Keep in mind that this is a lock out lock, not a security lock.

[@GaryCameron780]

I concur and am confused why the extra security

[@michaelkartman3543]

Gary Cameron it’s used for applications in factory’s on equipment, and things along those lines. Locks require a certain level of resistance to picking, as to avoid injury or damage to machines by someone messing with the locking mechanism, but must be easily cut with a set of bolt cutters in case of an emergency.

[@FrostSimula]

EXACTLY. This lock is meant to prevent ACCIDENTAL INJURY OR DEATH, not crime. Nobody is going to pick a LOTO lock.

[@666Tomato666]

@@GaryCameron780 so that people don't mixup keys? I mean if you have 200 people working on a site, you don't want every key opening every fifth lock or so...

[@agentvx8320]

@@666Tomato666 Exactly. The point of this lock isn't increased security, it's patent protection for the keys such that only the manufacturer can make them. LOTO locks usually have a soft (or even notched) shackle because they are intended to be cut off rather than opened with a key if they are left on when the person issued that lock goes home or loses their key. Think of them more as reusable seals than security devices.

[@norlin76]

Can you pick one with the plastic covering? They get stuck partially rotated because the back of the chamber the core is in has a point that the lock gets stuck on and doesn't provide tension on the core anymore.

[@mstriker3656]

Loving these vids ! Just got my first pick set with a practice padlock. Under 30 seconds to pick, did it 4 more times with different picks. Now wondering what to pick next ;)

[@vpsaddict]

Good job, like a banjo player once said, keep on pickin

[@ehsnils]

You don't want a lockout lock to be too secure because if someone messes up and loses their key then it's better to break the lock than the machine it blocks.

[@jessecagle3116]

It's just best to not to mess with me period

[@Richard.212]

AAAAHHHHHHH you broke it Bill. That was a nice looking lock.

[@lockpickingbelfast]

RIP wee brady lock 😇

[@Rx7man]

I think the "weatherproofing" part is more of a key retainer so you can leave the key in the lock and it doesn't fall out

[@Compgeek86]

You could also add some more cut-outs to some of the pins to use with a master key

[@someloser993]

Curious to know if the quality of the lock would be better without knowing the key? If you didn't see the key first, would it have been more difficult?

[@idkidk4334]

Fun ending a 9hour shift to see a video of a cool unique lock

[@dragade101]

looks like a tubular lock. Maybe a specific impressioning tool can open it with similar ease?

[@supc8162]

i love your videos and which key pad locks with long shackle would you suggest will be more secure and useful

[@thomasw.6945]

Hi Bill, check the TUBAR (chicago) lock, it was clearly inspiration for this lock.. ;-) nice video btw

[@Whisper555]

So a properly constructed and possibly hardened armour plate + some false gates would make it a pretty good and secure lock?

[@363.2McMasters]

Hope to build my skills, excited for my first kit.

[@derekbroestler7687]

Seems really complicated for LOTO... Just speculation here, but MIGHT have been based off a more secure lock and they intentionally switched out the plate to provide another option if a worker forgets to take their lock off and leaves for the day. That way, should it happen a supervisor can, after verifying that the work was complete and the employee is indeed off site they can just bend the plate back, let the core fall out and the only thing that needs to be replaced is the plate (which could prolly just be bent back into shape) .

[@RobertSzasz]

You'd never do that. You'd just cut the lock off, retain it with the documentation of why you removed it, and then give the person who left without proper procedure hell before they can return to work.

[@soangry]

the core is complex because you don't want two different keys to operate the same lock.

[@OneIroNauT_1]

Great Video Bill. Was waiting anxiously all day for this..😉

[@stevensenlacere1619]

WOW that was overkill for a lockout. the last lockout lock i used was a No 2 master with a restricted keyway back when the cores for master locks were completely brass without the potmetal bibles they use today. keycode was 1C681. assuming the C stood for [C]ustom keyway. we also used cheap 'equipment is tagged out' with a cheap magnet to hold it on the electrical panel. i always used my padlock.

[@danareed1656]

i just ordered a purple one last night! lol looks like im going to have some fun!

[@penfold7800]

What a shame they didn't put grooves on the sliders to make them act like serrations. Sooo because it has a plastic actuator, does that mean you can force it open with a hammer and chisel or tire iron?

[@firesurfer]

I'm thinking not. You'd have to try it. The springs are horizontal. If you strip the plastic it just spins in the same plane. Perhaps if the plastic becomes completely destroyed it would work. It's rather irrelevant due to the plate weakness.

[@grumpygus81]

Thanks for the look at this thing. Even though it's a LOTO, that was pretty disappointing to watch the core guard bend aside that easily 😕

[@Thedoug369]

That's a Sparrows SHANK. You could probably get a couple boxes of Debbies and a few bags of chips for that in the joint! Or so I've been told lol.

[@nah82201]

Thanks for the video; definitely interesting.

[@JohnSmith-gs4lw]

I suspect you could not drop the core if the sidebars were in there because it would not release from the body. So go ahead and pry the plate off. You’re not getting the core out without a drill. Either way, LOTO still performs its function and you have evidence that it’s been opened as well.

[@DonzLockz]

I'm diggin that cool key.👍🏻 You spoil us with good audio normally so anything less sounds wrong. Lol

[@237photo]

I assume you can order new plates and cylinders if you break in or loose keys. Probably by design

[@GenericAnimeBoy]

So basically it's a cylindrical lock that's been flattened? I wonder how it does against self-impressioning.

[@CoreyReynolds24]

What a cool lock. Epilogue: Oh.

[@PeetSneekes]

Oh man, that audio ‘clean up’ in the beginning 🤣 ... guessing the neighbors were making some noise.

[@Melds]

Could this be a good "intro to sidebars" lock?

[@1jviezy]

Hot Damn! Somehow you and I are connected. I didn't know what I didn't know. But now I do!

[@Lockpicker1973]

I've had one for awhile. Haven't opened it yet. Lol. Well haven't without the key anyway

[@BD90..]

Bill is recording in the twilight zone.

[@freakygardener8033]

Now since you broke it, you need to buy one for each of us that watched the video! 😂

[@thelegendofmiles]

Well I'm convinced it took him for ever and many attempts to pick it

[@lmars5933]

Very very cool. 😎🌟⭐🌟⭐🌟

[@wlwlvr]

Often we learn the most from destructive testing.

[@twjohnson1203]

Is a wiper insert actually a "wiper insert" or is it just a name for a particular tension bar/tool?

[@chrisflynn372]

It's the metal strip from inside a discarded windshield wiper blade, repurposed.

[@amateurshooter6054]

Thanks Bill

[@andyalder7910]

How come you get a false set if they aren't security sliders?

[@danielpirone8028]

Perhaps he had 1 of the 2 side bars in place ?

[@bobforgey5572]

The side bars have three V-shaped peaks that fit into three matching cutouts in the plastic shell. I'm guessing that if the sliders on one end are set, then it can rotate until the next peaks that are not set can slip to the next V-shaped cutout.

[@a1919akelbo]

Brady; the sticker company

[@markpatterson7070]

Thanks for the video

[@OneOfDisease]

like a USB plug there is a 50% chance to get it right the first time and yet we get it wrong 100% of the time...and sometime wrong again on the second time :( Is Brady owned by masterlock now or is that old American style shell something that Master Lock will sell to other lock companies?

[@MickInOhio]

Great content as always man thank you!

[@billhenderson731]

Ingenuity to the fore, by realising what you needed to get the tensioner to fit. 👍 Took a little bit of time to get the open using conventional methods. Shame it took less time to rip it open.

[@enderger5308]

Why is it that everyone is putting their quality cores in LOTO locks?

[@dawolf7784]

Wow really neat little walk I do a lot of gas work where I need to lock out and all the other lock that you can find for safety walk out the entire block is made out of plastic and their crap

[@pfdx]

And people thought my using Best padlocks for LOTO was overkill.

[@douro20]

It is. Most of those things are a bear to pick and are extremely tough.

[@zachaliles]

It is, there's no need for that level of security for LOTO. On top of that most places that have a LOTO policy mandate that all locks used by individuals be matching in build and color so you don't have a choice in what you use at all. Where I work you have to use company issued locks so you can't even just paint a lock you bought, but again, there is absolutely no need for a high or medium security lock for LOTO.

[@ryanroberts1104]

X3. Those aren't about pin security. A lot of the tabs you might place the lock onto are not really hardened or anything either. I do use Best type locks on my ridiculous TSA required pistol box - 2 locks on a plastic case. They get upset if I don't put both locks on it. The locks look absolutely ridiculous there but it matches my house key...

[@zachaliles]

@@FranzAntonMesmer a lot has changed in 4 decades in regards to LOTO requirements. Mostly pertaining to you use whatever your employer provides or they can get fined and you can lose your job (worst case scenario). Again, there is literally no need for high security locks for LOTO. If I have to remove your lock, after going through the proper steps to prove you're no longer on the premises and you're unable to remove it yourself, I'm going to cut it with bolt cutters. I could pick it, but that takes too damn long and bolt cutters are a thing. So no, you don't use whatever you like. At least not if you're employed by a company that has A LOTO program in place and they follow it. You use what they give you.

[@z1z2z3z4z1z2]

sooo close to being a way better lock.

[@junkman8742]

So you are saying everything important is made of plastic, So, it can be opened with a screwdriver twist. But it is just a LOTO

[@davek12]

I'm going to call that very secure against picking. It took a while to pick, with skill and premeditated tools. They need to put that in a better shell/shackle.

[@soangry]

It's a LOTO lock. It's meant to be easily destroyed (once it's verified the employee is safe and the key cannot be procured in a reasonable time). Many of them are in light plastic shells. The important part is that no two keys should ever accidentally fit the same lock.

[@brianjrichman]

Some sound issues for the first 3 minutes today then, Bill? Enjoyed the video. Thanks.

[@bosnianbill]

Yeah, hence the note at the 9 second mark. 😀

[@brianjrichman]

@@bosnianbill Indeed so.

[@Ralesk]

@@bosnianbill At least the camera mic doesn't eat your S-es

[@Prophes0r]

Those sidebars ride inside a plastic sleeve huh? I get that this is a lockout lock and not a security lock. But at this point you might as well use a sticky note or a ziptie. This thing can be opened with a screwdriver and some muscle.

[@soangry]

That's exactly the point. If the employee calls in sick or goes on vacation and forgets to turn in the key, they need to be able to destroy the lock without damaging the equipment. The lock just needs to be strong enough to prevent someone from inadvertently energizing the gear. Some places still use zipties, but a lock is reusable and can't be cut by accidental contact with a sharp object.

[@jayanthcm15]

Nicely explained

[@hackeritalics]

it's always sad to me when a lock is so very nearly a great lock but they do something really stupid like make it with plastic parts or make a stupid part like that top place. I imagine this could be a really secure lock with some false gates, higher quality steel internals, and a properly designed top plate.

[@thorlancaster5641]

As safety lockout padlocks are intended to act as reusable tamper seals, this is quite the flaw. One could open the "pop tin", pop the shackle, put a new "pop tin" lid on to hold in the core, and then screw it back together. Not the easiest attack but far easier than picking and only costs $20, less if you can buy "pop tin" lids separately.

[@danielwalter9983]

I love you bill your great but I have to correct you on the false set there is no such thing as a false set on a lock with no security pins if there is no spool there is no counter rotation to say there is a false set! That’s just movement on the core 😊your still amazing though!! Stay safe stay legal

[@SniperBob762]

I love these videos, but I just died a little when he used a torx to unscrew a hex.

[@rayarsenault4774]

Looks similar to a Tubar lock.

[@elbee2324]

From about the 10 minute mark I was going... "Oh no, it's going to explode. It's going to explode. Don't do it!" :-S