Boss Analysis # 66

[@kamilslup7743]

i do love that graham's final phase looks like the creators of the game tried way too hard to make a biblically accurate angel and just made something that looks extremely self-conscious

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

That's Japan for you: gloriously edgy when they want to be. Also I HOPE that's the thing's tongue.

[@_dot_tea2774]

29:17 Mega Satan is the first final boss of *Rebirth* iteration of Isaac. There was an original Adobe Flash version of the game which ended on Sheol and Chest floors (the latter didn't have a golden door). Isaac always had a lot of bosses that you could consider final.

[@blackbloom8552]

Even just counting rebirth on release, mega satan was only the final boss in runs where you fulfilled all the required conditions and there were plenty of other bosses the runs could end on. Through only mega satan does apply as a tfb among them

[@SSFplayer2]

And repentence had the mother, aka the alt floor final boss as this kind of poss for the 1st phase

[@LauBauBer]

I don't even think Mega Satan had a reward or a completion mark after beating him in rebirth. He was basically just a secret boss until afterbirth

[@carlosemilio5180]

Final bosses Flash: Mom Mom's Heart It Lives! Isaac (I think) Satan WotL: Blue baby (I think) The lamb Rebirth: Mega satan Ultra greed (I think) Afterbirth: Hush Afterbirth +: Ultra greedier Delirium Repentance: Mother The Beast

[@ohhi1000]

@@carlosemilio5180 The Lamb was added in Rebirth, and Ultra Greed in Afterbirth

[@user-gb4jn4my6j]

I saw Mega Satan in the thumbnail and never clicked on a video so fast. TBoI has me in a chokehold, thanks for including it!!

[@Borti_Ovi]

14:24 That warning? That warning applies to the whole game itself! DO NOT PLAY PULSEMAN IF YOU ARE PRONE TO EPILEPSY!! That game did a number on my eyes to the point I started seeing images after I was done looking at the screen!

[@KrimsonKattYT]

I heard that the Wii/Wii U port fixed a large amount of the eye poison in that game. If you play Pulseman, try to track down that version to play instead of the SG version. However, since both online stores are now perminatly offline, you'll have to hack your Wii/Wii U to play them or somehow track down a ROM of the VC version rather than the SG version.

[@Ryusuta]

So, as the person who recorded the Mega Satan footage, I also want to point out that I turned off the "Flash Filter" in the game while I was recording this for everyone, in spite of the fact that I'm probably the only person on the planet that prefers to have it on. Truly, I made the most noble of possible sacrifices that day... (In all seriousness Lub Lub, thank you very much for calling on me for this. It was truly an honor to be of service. I absolutely loved the video!)

[@ValiTheSaltMan]

Ah yes, the big head and hands final boss troupe.

[@vincenthaynes3603]

Such as PVZ1 Zomboss

[@carnage0685]

@@vincenthaynes3603Necrodeus (Kirby), Andross (Star Fox), Cackletta Soul (Mario & Luigi), Tiki Tong (DKC Returns), Demon Head (Wario Land). And those are just final bosses, because you have Wham Bam Rock and Jewel from Kirby, Bongo Bongo from Zelda, and so much more.

[@VespilloSanctus]

Background Bosses?

[@genericperson360]

⁠@@vincenthaynes3603I don’t think Zomboss really counts, tbh. He doesn’t attack with his hands directly (he only summons zombies and throws the van) and they aren’t separate targets from his head. Plus, the Zombot’s hands aren’t really given too much attention- you really only see them when they’re “attacking”.

[@vincenthaynes3603]

​@@genericperson360also the bungee ambush. Really the only attack of the Zombot that doesn't come from the head or hands is the stomp, and that only happens if you plant in columns 6 through 8 (you can't plant on Column 9 anyways,) or if a hypnotized Zombie is in those columns, and rarely at that. It for sure counts.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

RPGs love this kind of boss too- I remember Wild Arms 2 made it a mechanic where a boss' attacks changed depending on which limbs had been lost. Persona 5's original final boss gets 4 hands, each one with different weapons, resistances and abilities, and the most dangerous part of the fight is when he summons all 4 together with the head.

[@Gaminboi2864]

Hey, I want you to know, that your boss analysis series is whay inspired me to create my own series, but specifically on the most difficult bosses in video games. I just want to say, thank you for the inspiration!

[@averysmalman8191]

"I now await the day when one of these bosses shows ... up in a visual novel or sports game" Now I'm imagining a new Ace Attorney where the final witness is a giant with the defense and prosecution standing on the hands while they debate

[@polybius32]

When I need to win an unoriginality contest but my opponent grows two giant hands and head

[@GameAlicornLuna]

'They're going to call it New Super Mario Bros for a million years' Signs when your video was created before the latest direct. Oops.

[@PikaSmasha]

Here's a suggestion, being Miitopia. I feel like even though each hand and the body are all different phases fought with different party members, it definitely counts.

[@epikitee2186]

yeah that was the first one i thought of for this premise. probably because i picked it back up again a couple days ago.

[@ValiTheSaltMan]

That boss was a huge struggle to me

[@Keitoded]

thought the same thing, the hands are way too easy though...

[@mr.randomdudeguy4329]

Definitely.

[@RandomGirl.RandamuOn-nanoko]

I think Danganronpa 2 technically had this trope, with the giant Junko at the end. While we don't fight her personally, when Monomi shows up she takes down the two hands first before going for the head. VL

[@charziz6693]

There is one in a visual novel! Git was right!

[@funniusername4355]

I was about to mention this when he said that. All that's left is a sports game... does Shaq ever turn 40 feet tall and you have to play against his head and hands in a NBA game?

[@ilikevideogames4331]

Thank you very much for not spoiling these JRPG final bosses.

[@psychopianist630]

The Giant Robosa from Drawn to Life: The Next Chapter is one of those kinds of bosses (though not its final boss). It's more similar to Wham Bam Rock from Kirby, though, since you can only attack its hands. Its main twist is that it inhales you several times throughout the battle and forces you to fight its mechanical innards (both of its eyes and its heart; once you destroy its heart, you've beaten it). I think it could've been executed better, though. Each time you beat one of its eyes, it spits you back out and forces you to fight its main body again with no change to how it fights (not even its attack pattern) except its movements getting a little faster.

[@eltiolavara9]

whois covering isaac?? what a day isaac has some real creepy bad endings potential

[@GrndCruz]

I have to admit though, Mortamor in his cliché form definitely had quite the entrance!

[@browncow5210]

Shoutout to The Messenger. In the DLC, you fight the final boss in a Punch-Out style fight AS the former head and hands boss.

[@karlispovisils5297]

King Olly from Paper Mario Origami King should count as another one for Mario RPG final bosses. In the final phase, he becomes giant and looms over the arena with his body and hands and remains stationary. He first uses his hands to scramble the magic circle. As you're unscrambling the circle, he will occasionally try to attack with his hands. Sometimes it's a straight slap, but he also turns his hands into hammers or swords. You have to dodge at the right time to avoid instant death. Once the circle is unscrambled, you can finally use your 1000-Fold Arms and Olivia as a hammer to defeat Olly. Sounds like another one on the counter

[@OmniMon94]

These tropes of bosses with big hands are a big thing. And it's good if it's done right. Even basic bosses are at least ok and not awful

[@ChanivonKarpa]

Gud ol' Moon Lord, from Terraria. The canonically upper half of the sibling of Cthulhu, who, due to its lack of lower body, attacks using his hands lasers and head lasers. Golem also technically counts, as it was the final boss of terraria before Moon Lord was added. Who first attacks you with its rocket hands, and then the head pops out and you gotta destroy the body quickly before the head destroys you. Honorable mention to Skeletron and its Prime Version, since they are literally a head and two arms (or 4 in the prime version). But alas, they are not a final boss.

[@AnonymousFrogNG]

Technically, Skeletron could count, back when version 1.0 was released, before the Wall of Flest + mechanical bosses.

[@ChanivonKarpa]

@@AnonymousFrogNG Oh, fair point.

[@ivortering7120]

@@AnonymousFrogNG Nah, you can fight him first, before other two. In fact, he is is easiest to encounter, having no prerequirements. So even if he gives free pass to dungeon, and considered toughest of the three first bosses, he's still diqualifed from being "final boss".

[@toxictincan]

Mentioning how the NSMB2 boss was kinda like a Punch Out Fight reminds me of Mike Tyson in IWBTG. He's the first boss of the game, so he wouldn't make it on the list, but still a rather difficult fight.

[@Janex-06]

IWBTG my beloved!

[@xelius2683]

And the actual final boss is just a head with no hands

[@doodoofartman]

There's also the final boss of Alien Soldier: He barely attacks you with his actual hand, if at all, but uses his other gun hand like crazy!

[@GMOPsyche]

Mega Satan being in this list is even funnier since when asked about the importance of this boss to the game's lore, Edmund McMillen (the creator of the game) said "this one is just a videogame boss", even Ed knows how generic this trope is.

[@OhCrapI_He]

I wonder if Moon Lord from Terraria would count as a "Typical Final boss." He does have a head and hands, but the hands don't really make physical attacks (grabbing, slamming, and in fact, he's the only boss that doesn't deal contact damage (until you take out the eyes and they reveal mouths with teeth, but he doesn't actually try to hit you with that)) like you'd expect. Instead, they open to reveal eyes that fire projectiles or summon more eyes. The head itself also has an eye on the forehead that fires an infamous laser that can be quite difficult to avoid and deals massive damage (especially in Expert mode or higher). I know Skeletron would definitely count in version 1.0, where he's the strongest of the three bosses, and most players would fight him last in that version (He's got the head and hands thing down to a tee, and the hands swipe at you and deal damage on contact. He also has an attack where he raises his hands above his head, which aggressively spins towards you)

[@niwie9784]

[SPOILER] Funnily enough, Gravity Circuit, a Mega Man X-styled game that released literally 6 days ago, has a TFB of its own. The game is also fantastic, would strongly recommend.

[@flabberghastio]

both the “giant robosa” boss in Drawn to Life: The Next Chapter, and the final boss “Necrodeus” in kirby mass attack come to mind.

[@sacripan4425]

Moon Lord in Terraria too

[@igorcheglakov333]

Now that you've mentioned Isaac, Enter the Gungeon has 2 bosses like this: the Dragunn/Advanced Dragunn and the Lich (though only 2nd phase out of 3 qualifies)

[@ezekielbaskerville2710]

Mega Satan also doubles as another "standard final boss" I think is used frequently: The "constantly sics his minions on you". And a third one, that being the "obligatory boss rematch" only in Binding of Isaac's case, you don't need to have fought most of the thirteen bosses and minibosses that are said minions. Not even the two which yield the key pieces that grant you access to Mega Stan "need" to be fought, there's an item that opens any door, and it works on Mega Stan's big, bountiful boss door. As for Git's comment about "final boss until updates added way more", uh... going by "unlocks an ending"... the game has twelve. *TWELVE* final bosses. In fact, the way it works, you can end up fighting as many as six of them in a single chain.

[@froobleton]

That transition between chrono trigger and Mario and Luigi was clean as hell.

[@Ender41948]

What about the first phase of "Mother" in The Binding of Isaac Repentance? You fire at her head, while her arms launch attacks at you.

[@RaceBandit]

Good thinking. It's also impossible to continue the run past Mother without mods.

[@DoctorNovakaine]

Wow. This really is the most powerful final boss trope out there. You could even say it's the final boss of final boss tropes, and it'd probably be a head with hands boss itself, because how could it not be? Why is it so common? I guess because having only three elements to focus on makes them simple to develop, animate, and fight. But you'd think they'd get wary of it being overdone...

[@maglev0789]

The reason for their commonality is actually because they were an efficient way to make an intimidating opponent with the hardware limitations of old and the idea stuck ever since

[@ericb3157]

an old "Dungeons and Dragons" arcade game comes to mind. there's a Red Dragon boss that qualifies for this list, EXCEPT, it's an optional boss, not the final boss.

[@tibby4503]

Have you ever heard of the flash game "A koopa's revenge"? It's a Mario parody game where you play as a koopa adventuring to save bowser. As you could guess, the final boss is mario in a giant mech who atacks with its hands while staying in the background. Yeah, it's played pretty straight.

[@mariogirl8100]

And the song JENOVA from FF7 plays during the final battle.

[@tibby4503]

@mariogirl8100 I don't see why that matters but yes

[@mariogirl8100]

@@tibby4503 Because I'm a FF7 fan, and I felt like I had to point that out.

[@tibby4503]

@@mariogirl8100cool, it is a really good song too

[@jdb2002]

Vivian not only proves herself to her sisters, I believe it's at least implied (not sure, haven't done that battle in a long time) that the Shadow Queen is their mother. Also, Sonic 3 and Knuckles has an example of this kind of final boss.

[@carnage0685]

Mother/Creator, yeah. Although, given that the Shadow Queen we see is just her spirit, and she closely resembles the Sirens, it’s very possible that they served her in life and she was their actual birth mother. Then again, she’s a demon, and there doesn’t appear to be anything resembling a male Shadow Queen, so it’s just as possible she just created them out of nothing. Very ambiguous situation. God, I love the Paper Mario trilogy.

[@777omen]

Since you mentioned the final boss of M&L Superstar Saga, I guess I should mention the one from M&L Dream Team, which is kind of like a typical boss fight : Dreamy Bowser. This boss has two hands : the left one blocks his weak point and the right one can grab one of the bros and throw it at mach 5. You can actually defeat the boss without destroying both of his hands, but it's best if you take out the left one. He also summons Dreamy Minions and goes to the background to restore his health, so you better get rid of them fast. You can use your Temper Balls to enrage him and let him destroy his own minions as you run from him.

[@tailpig6417]

Another boss like that is Sonic Advance 3's fake final boss, Hyper Egg Robo. It mostly attacks with its hands, and those have to be used as platforms to get to its head

[@wannabecinnabon]

wasn't that in the first video

[@shadowmaksim]

I kind of find this funny since I just finished playing a game recently that featured this exact trope. The final boss in "Relayer", a mecha-based SRPG, is separated into being a main body, a left arm, and a right arm. The right arm specializes in buffs, the left arm specializes in debuffs/status ailments, and the main body specializes in straight up damage. Including a massive laser that goes straight down the map and can hit multiple of your units. You only need to take down the main body to end the battle, the arms can be completely ignored. But since the main body obviously has a lot of health to burn through, it is risky to ignore the arms since their buffs/debuffs will really hurt in the long run. Even worse, there is a steady flow of enemy reinforcements on top of the ones already there. They spawn in at the far right and left edges of the stage, while the boss is at the top-center. Starts with two, one on each end, but will increase by one for each arm destroyed, making a total of four at two in each end. The grunts aren't as strong as the arms but they can still be annoying if they end up swarming you. So here's the dilemma, the entire fight is about trade-offs. Are you going to focus on the body and hope you can destroy it fast enough or will you aim for the arms to prevent getting locked down by buffs/debuffs? Will you condense in the center to avoid the reinforcements coming in or spread out to avoid the massive laser the boss's body can use? The final boss here was quite a significant step up in difficulty compared to anything you've faced prior to say the least. And that's not even touching on how there's an even harder, powered-up variant in the post game. And then the post-post game introduced via DLC where you face two of them at the same time.

[@QuiltedDusknoir]

Miitopia has this boss trope too with the Dark Lord. You fight each hand separately then the main man himself.

[@ShadeMeadows]

Love 'em giant bosses with 'em classic head 'n hands weak points! *VINTAGE~*

[@frenchfrywaffle7082]

Super Meat Boy Forever has the Giant Head & Hands Final Boss trope but the head is a giant nebula in the background in the form of Dr. Fetus's head. Also Miitopia has it as well.

[@smnio5619]

If Manfred Von Karma is the damage sponge of Ace Attourney, who would be the Head and Hands of AA

[@temmssmdisnas]

Hi-Fi Rush has QA-1MIL, a fun first boss thats elevated by the gameplay mechanics being heavily based on rhythm games. Every attack is timed to the beat, with the QTE sections also emphasizing that with the boss's melody blaring out. The name is also a reference to its own boss theme, 1 million by Nine Inch Nails. Iconic first boss for an overall memorable game and it does well at testing the player's knowledge of the mechanics learned at that point. CrossCode also has 2 big head + hands bosses I can think of, the X01 Driller H.F.S. in the temple mine, and the final boss. Spoilers for the final boss because CrossCode is a really good action rpg that everyone should look into. It's one of my favorite games of all time. The Designer/Creator is one of my favorite bosses in any RPG series. It tests your knowledge of the elements when dealing with the shield phases, along with having to balance said elemental usage so that you avoid elemental overload. The Creator also builds small puzzles during battle that you have to solve and most moves also have elemental variations that changes its properties. The monologue before the duel is by far the most iconic part of the boss though. "We seek the ultimate experience. And everything changed... when we met you. Once an empty vessel, a caged bird. Now back again, whole and free! Filled with boundless resourcefulness... born out of hope! You are the one! The player we desired! And thus... The ultimate experience... shall begin!!" The only issue is that he could be cheesed with armor that grants regeneration, so overall he was pretty easy. Still a really cool boss.

[@albertusaswin2012]

I remembered Digimon World 2 had a final boss: Overlord GAIA. At first you fight it as a whole boss, then he separates his hands. Size-wise, he is indeed bigger than most Digimon, but not extremely big that it cannot fit the map.

[@RaceBandit]

Ooh, Antibirth music for the Isaac footage! That was part of my mixtape too, with some Flash, Super Meat Boy, SMT3, and DemonCrawl also thrown in.

[@Shyguymask]

Ultrakill has one, and if you are very precise you can parry the giant's punch and it's awesome.

[@aruemon78]

Don’t forget Mother, also from The Binding of Isaac!

[@creativecritters6791]

Asking again for bosses who are mostly difficult because of the minions they bring along with them. You can cover both new and old guys!

[@Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz]

Seeing Kermit give the MvC series some love, as well as main Ryu/Akuma made my day. Apocalypse also shows up in Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter, completely copypasted and still as easy despite his lasers and bullshit drill, but he plays second fiddle to Cyber-Akuma whom he enhanced himself, ironically. My ass really though TFB stood for "Too Fucking Big" at first

[@ashcyr3711]

The Darkest Lord at the end of Miitopia counts as well, since you justified the "hands and head as seperate phases" thing. first phase is the left hand, second phase is the right hand, final phase is the face/head at the end

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Mega Satan isn't even the first _Isaac_ final boss though. There's an entire hierarchy of final bosses. The first _true_ final boss in OG Isaac would be Mom's Heart, then the Halloween update added Satan, then _Wrath of the Lamb_ added in ??? (Blue Baby). Then came _Rebirth,_ and with it, some more final bosses, those being The Lamb and Mega Satan (as well as the Greed Mode-exclusive Ultra Greed in _Afterbirth_ ), then _Afterbirth+_ added in Delirium (and the Greedier Mode-exclusive Ultra Greedier), and finally _Repentance_ added in Mother and The Beast. SPEAKING OF, Mother, the final boss of the Corpse route, also falls under the "head & arms" manner of boss.

[@wannabecinnabon]

Ultra Greed was from Afterbirth. Hush also. (Yes, Hush is not the final boss on any playthrough after the one where you first beat it, but it still gives an ending the first time you win so it counts)

[@chromity-calli4204]

I wonder if Moon Lord from Terraria would count. It's certainly a boss that attacks with its head and hands and remains mostly in the background.

[@PeasMinister]

I’m glad you talked about World of Illusion!

[@artboni3446]

The first boss i think about that uses this trope is Wham Bam Rock so i'd say they're fair ground

[@TARDISES]

Since JRPGs were mentioned, and some bosses with actual bodies, not just heads... There is one that comes to mind, from Trails in the Sky (specifically the first game, and as such there are spoilers for it, **so only click "read more" if you either don't care, or have already finished said first game, as I will be providing some plot context.** On a related note, if you can handle long-form storytelling that's not afraid to take it slow to ease people in, absolutely play the games, they're great.) . . . . The boss in question is Reverie, the final boss of the game. Sealed in an ancient network of tunnels underneath Grancel Castle, it emerges after the Gospel (basically a mysterious device that at the time was only known to shut down technology around it) that game antagonist Alan Richard has with him activates, disabling a seal, which happens immediately after a fight with him, as he's past the final point of no return. It's a giant robot (the first of many the series would ultimately have, as anyone who's familiar with the third arc, Cold Steel, can absolutely confirm), that in its first phase is accompanied by two floating devices - one resists physical attacks, the other resists arts. It is actually a TFB as both devices are targets, as is Reverie itself, though this is not revealed as a TFB until phase two - when it transforms into a more aggressive, almost draconic form (which IIRC it refers to as Genocide Mode when engaging said form), *and the two devices attach themselves to the boss, revealing themselves to have been hands all along.* What Reverie is doing there is only revealed to attentive players in SC, and it ends up getting reverse engineered and the products of said reverse engineering serve as bosses late in SC, though those don't apply as they're based on Genocide Mode, as such bearing the name Reverie Dragion, no free-floating hands there.)

[@Mr.Jim248]

6:20 Oh, look. It's Seaman

[@KrimsonKattYT]

Yeah Anakos's first phase kinda looks like seaman, minus the "sea" part. Manman? Stoneman? No, that's a robot master.

[@monkeman2147]

Whois covering mega Satan after I just beat him as keeper is definitely a thing to think about

[@shiratojin]

idk what that means but okay (it sounds like an accomplishment so good job??)

[@RaceBandit]

@@shiratojin | Keeper is one of the unlockable characters in Isaac Afterbirth onward.

[@deltaquarayza]

Technically, isn't a KZbin video one of these bosses? The video as the head, with the like and dislike buttons as hands?

[@oscarfernandez5599]

@@deltaquarayza animation VS KZbin flashbacks

[@nanidafaq7626]

literally just finished a Lazy Mattman marathon, and this is the first vid i see in my sub box. talk about a coincidence lol

[@RagingRowen]

You could pretty much do a 'Viewer's Suggestions' video on these at this point. I'mma get real niche here and add Valis IV (PC Engine)'s final boss to the list...

[@mariogirl8100]

I think Puzzle and Dragons Z's final boss counts too, except instead of just 2 hands and the main body/head, it's 5 hands and the main body. The point is to attack the core (the main body essentially) while it's open, which happens every few turns, but it will eventually close again. The element for the core changes every time it closes, and the fight only ends once the core is defeated. The main body can revive the other hands, and each of the hands has a different ability associated with them.

[@ZNemerald]

Shining force does 3 heads instead of a head and pair of hands lol but same thing.

[@sacripan4425]

I have a suggestion: The Moon Lord from Terraria is a blatant TFB, you have to kill all the eyes on the two hand and head and then the heart open for the final phase

[@TheVerseG]

Technically, Skeletron could be considered the final boss of 1.0 terraria and fits the trope perfectly

[@thejedisonic67]

Scooby Doo Unmasked kind of does it. The final boss is a Giant Pterodactyl robot, and when you reach the final phase you're just fighting his head. No hands to worry about though

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

I could use some head and hands combo right now

[@mr.randomdudeguy4329]

If you're looking for an original boss but still the hands-and-head style, I have one word for you : Miitopia

[@dylanmaldet6643]

Necrodeus from Kirby: Mass Attack Akuro from Okamiden Jergingha(Single Phase)from The Wonderful 101 Julius from Final Fantasy Adventure(?) Dreamy Bowser from Mario and Luigi: Dream Team(?) The Darkest Lord from Miitopia DJ Octavio from Splatoon The Riddler from The Adventures of Batman & Robin

[@sacripan4425]

Moon Lord from Terraria

[@mariogirl8100]

Enigma from Puzzle and Dragons Z.

[@rcblazer]

I'd say I am only average at best at fighting games, and I don't think I have ever lost to Apocalypse in X-Men vs Street Fighter. He comes back in Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, but he's not the final boss in that game (it's Cyber-Akuma, who actually can be hard) and Apocalypse is even easier in that game! It's almost like a work of art seeing how badly Apocalypse gets wrecked when you use Omega Destroyer on him!

[@icetweiz]

Such a fitting boss for a fitting number

[@theblueincineroar6905]

MEGA SATAN

[@fygygufyufyyfhchcxgxy4290]

Yes

[@michealforguson5317]

I can forgive the trope. Because it's usually used to show how big they are compared to your character.

[@Wiimeiser]

2:50 Which already got much, _much_ worse when NSMBWii became the fourth game to ever outsell the original Super Mario Bros., but yeah, NSMB2 was where the branding thing really kicked into high gear

[@QizLizWiz]

Mentioned it in a comment on the previous installment but DJ Octavio in Splatoon and Splatoon 2 likely counts as a TFB, there’s a body and some of his main attacks are with floating hands (which is actually the main attack you need to counter to progress in the battle)

[@FyeniRetroBaby]

I've been watching your videos for years! Amongst my favorites are Clock Tower, Star Fox 64, and Twisted Metal 2. I hope this one is a hitter!

[@retrosquadchannel2.050]

Maybe final boss from Mischief Makers (or Go-Go, Troublemakers). Marina, Cybot G, faces three bosses fused in one. She cannot reach the main body or head. Nor she needs to -when boss tries to punch her with perfect timing she catches enemy fist and sends it back, so boss beats shit out of himself!

[@DrGreen-ob6eb]

On the topic of Kirby TFBs, the final boss of Mass Attack is a clear choice I think (tho idk if you've played Mass Attack)

[@docs.a.t.7161]

8:14 That Mario 64 pyramid eyes/hands guy showed up in the latest Marip Tennis, didn't it?

[@Jaydakin]

since you mentioned isaac, if you do more of these bosses i think the first phase of "mother" also qualifies for this

[@vallinek]

If we're talking fighting games, I think Takemikazuchi from BlazBlue Chronophantasma counts? If we count bosses that are sitting on the side rather than entirely in the background.

[@cinderblock_]

If Apocalypse from XMVSF counts, I'll hint at another one being Melty Blood's G-Akiha, who literally fights with just her head and hands. Or just her fist in Act Cadenza. Funny how that works.

[@miadesynced]

i really hope crosscode is in this one because its a really good game and deserves to be played by more people

[@mr.randomdudeguy4329]

I bought it and barely played, it was too hard

[@PAINNN666]

23:22 Is it me or Donald say f word when get damaged?)

[@squidtabo]

Just to let you know, Gravity Circuit (great game) has a head and hands final boss, so be sure to consider him.

[@merpington1014]

I can't help but think of NULL (a.k.a Filename2) from Baldi's Basics Classic Remastered when seeing these TFBs. He's like the polar opposite design wise. He doesn't have a head or hands, just the rest of the body! (Yes, he has eyes and hair, I don't thibk that counts as a head)

[@maglev0789]

(It's advised to not hear me out on this, because one factor is not met by these bosses: Being in the background) A rather unorthodox example of a TFB just ocurred to me: Teacher Bun Bun from The Battle Cats. New players may not see him as much of a final boss at all, however he was the absolute final boss of the game clear back at its initial launch and his defeat still yields an ending cutscene, so I still think he fulfills the final boss criteria. In terms of the other requirements, he's one of the largest enemies in the game and attacks by punching. Even a tower defense game has a TFB (though Zomboss in PVZ1 may also count, making that less impressive), though that doesnt stop this fight from being incredibly memorable. Theres also Mecha-Bun (the final boss of Stories of Legend, who is a mech built in Teacher Bun Bun's likeness) and Zero Luza (final boss of Uncanny Legends, a massive gorilla who slams the ground to attack), meaning The Battle Cats has a whopping THREE TFBs!

[@KrimsonKattYT]

Please do creepy bad endings on the Persona/SMT series! There are so many good options. Strange Journey SMT3 SMT4 SMT4A Persona 3 Persona 4/Golden Persona 5/Royal SMT2 Devil Survivor Devil Survivor 2 and so many more. I know you have at least played Persona 5, so you can definitely do lots of CBE videos on that series. There are SO MANY bad endings to choose from in that series. All three OG endings in SJ, all reason endings in SMT3, demon and true demon endings also in SMT3, white, law, and (to a lesser extent) chaos endings from SMT4, the anarchy and early bad endings from SMT4A, the bad ending in Persona 3, the bad endings, accomplice ending, and deadline game overs in Persona 4, (also you could talk about the scary implications of the standard "good ending") the bad ending, evil ending, maruki ending, and deadline game overs of Persona 5 Royal, the law ending of SMT2, and the coward and superpower endings of Devil Survivor 1. So, so many bad endings.

[@DaKing08]

(Mario + Rabbids Sparks Of Hope spoilers head!) Cursa seems to follow this trope as well. First, you fight the arms. (or hands) You have all heroes at once, but need to switch between groups of 3. By either dealing direct damage or getting them to slam onto spikes, you should be able to dispatch them. Watch out for the enemies though, they’re quite rough. Next, you fight Cursa itself. (or the head) And yet again, there’s a third phase. Unlike the previous two, it’s actually quite interesting. Here, you channel damage into Rosalina’s wands in order to land hits.

[@nordgeit]

I need a spritesheet of that Tom in Mouse Attacks NOW

[@superubergoober]

yeahhhh i love isaac! now that i think about it, the corpse ii fight also qualifies, funnily enough it also goes from two hands one head to just the head like mega satan. hmm

[@pingu4938]

Persona 5 Royal has a (arguable) TFB in the final boss of the 3rd Semester's 3rd phase

[@KrimsonKattYT]

Nah that boss doesn't count since it's 100% scripted and the hands and body are one health bar. Music is a banger though, I just wish that fight wasn't scripted especially when the first phase is so good mechanicly.

[@dmas7749]

the cackletta fight forcing you down to 1 HP AND her being able to go first if your speed isn't really high is one of the most ass design choices. you can bring speed slacks to go first, but you still have to redo phase 1 if you lose. not to mention they're not great stats-wise, so a player could have just sold them. not to mention you haven't even had a chance to learn the fight.

[@borjitasstoi]

why make a body when you can make a BIG HEAD and bigger HANDS on a gigasized manner

[@UltimaDoombotMK1]

A very recent and also somewhat obscure one: The Golem Ancestor from Soul Knight. Added in the latest update, but it fits the TFB formula to a T.

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

I knew Mortamor was gonna be the first one here.

[@maglev0789]

You're going to groan so hard when you reach the end of Mario Wonder (or you already did and have already groaned).

[@whoisthisgit]

I have and I did, but it was still the best boss in the game by far.

[@maglev0789]

@@whoisthisgit I mean, 0.1 is greater than 0

[@lesewing]

Legend of Zelda Oracle of seasons has a head and hands final boss, but you only attack the head and use the hands to reach it.

[@RaceBandit]

I think he covered that one in Boss Analysis 50...

[@SSFplayer2]

Is it weird i woyld suggest lisa from brad has a pain into this lmao She essentially does turn into a giant head with giant hands as her second phase

[@BladeShadowWing]

Don’t know if it’ll count since it’s the first boss, but Moonrider has one just like this.

[@quakenshake9278]

I am a simple man, I see mega Satan, I click.

[@Gremblebemble]

17:25 wait a second… DID YOU SWAP THE ROLES OF MARIO ND LUIGI?!?! that’s awesome, I was all like “wait WAIT A SECOND why does Luigi have 84 health AND MARIO 105?!?!” Honestly I should try that sometime.