Boss Review, Six Flags St. Louis CCI Wooden Roller Coaster | Should RMC Fix This Ride?

The Boss at Six Flags St. Louis is a colossal wooden roller coaster built by Custom Coasters International. The ride is one of the tallest, fastest, and longest wood coasters in the world. And this makes it one of the most challenging rides in the world to maintain. Many consider Boss to be rough and many want to see the ride get the Rocky Mountain Construction steel I-box treatment. But what do I think of Boss? Find out in this review!
Video Credits
Boss Off-Ride (David.Hahner)- • The Boss Off Ride @ Si...
Boss POV (Six Flags St. Louis)- • 2018 The Boss POV
Titan Track (Great Coasters International, Inc)- • GCI STEEL Track Promot...
Background Music
Life in the Jungle - Electro Tripping (Copyright Free Music Maker)- • Life In Jungle - Elect...

[@hewasnumberone4476]

That first drop is pretty unique, flying through that structure so fast must be pretty intense! If Rmcd, it would likely become a top tier coaster in the country tho, I'd like to experience it before that maybe happens.

[@CanobieCoaster]

It's a unique ride for sure.

[@daveyboy8907]

Go now. I rode it today and man it's running good right now.

[@lukestange]

SFSTL native here. i've ridden boss probably hundreds of times, including with the double helix. i loved the intensity of the helix, but that bunny hop into the brakes is really the only instance of ejector airtime you can get in sfstl. I miss getting constant floater and not getting trimmed to death, but the first time i rode boss after GCI redid the ending, i was absolutely blown away by that bunny hill. This coaster absolutely smacks. But it'd smack a lot harder if it was RMC'd lmao

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'll keep hoping for an RMC conversion, but I'm skeptical SFSTL would invest that for the park.

[@lukestange]

@@CanobieCoaster yeah, i just hope that sfstl has been saving up money with the lack of any major new additions for so long. we'll just have to wait and see i guess

[@CanobieCoaster]

I hope!

[@Blitzol]

I dont remember the double helix cause i was like 9 (currently 12) it is my home park and back then i went to the park once a year (total gp) I wish i had ridden it before they re did it and i was older so that i could remember it 😭

[@sammyers8550]

I can’t imagine the trim and no double helix I loved it the way it was is it still as good? I haven’t been in probably 6 years or more

[@CoasterRoaster]

Lol I spent the first half of the video just trying to figure out what in the world is going on in that background music

[@ethanhcomposer]

Ayy Coaster Roaster

[@d3th2m3rikkka]

CCI: Our coasters have good layouts but get rough over time RCCA: Ha! Our coasters have awful layouts and are rough when they open

[@Blitzol]

Lol

[@CanobieCoaster]

Lol

[@HarryPorpise]

Lol

[@oof3597]

Lol

[@lionelcopeland7805]

Lol

[@FanThemePark]

I think it should be RMCd. That way St. Louis would have that stand out coaster for the lineup!

[@CanobieCoaster]

Agreed!

[@blitzn00dle50]

I also think it should be RMC'd because we have no standout and this thing is a snoozefest with a huge structure, I'd love to see what RMC could do to make the boss worth your time. maybe a launch so that the high points aren't so dead? lol six flags would never though

[@solo.digital.gaming]

I rode this back in the 2000s as a child WITHOUT THE TRIMS and let me tell you, there was almost a sense of accomplishment or bravery earned in school if you rode this thing because it was truly crazy back in its prime. Each of those big drops gave you floater-ejector in the back seat and it felt like you were falling off the face of the earth! this ride is so slept on, probably because it didn't age well, but I have so much love for it because I know what this ride really is at its best, and it’s top tier (or used to be). This was better than many B&M hyper coasters back in the day with the airtime it used to give!

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish I could have experienced this opening year.

[@ericspwncer1274]

I agree with every word you said Solo Sea. I used to live in Memphis back in 2000 when this first open and me, my mother, father and cousins used to rent a van and head to down to St. louis for that 4 or 5 hour drive. And let me tell you, this ride was our favorite. My mother used to say the boss is the boss. lol. It was fun , smooth but with a little roughness to it, and it was a wild out of control ride. I think the last time i rode it was maybe back in 20012 and it didn't age well. So with that being said, they should RMC it to bring this coaster back to life for good. It will be worth a good investment for sure.

[@gregorymoore2877]

I rode the Boss during my one visit to Six Flags St. Louis which occurred in the early 2000's. (It will always be Six Flags Over Mid-America to me.) It was a beautiful park with lots of personality. The Boss would have been untrimmed at the time. The double helix was really intense. Not only did the diameter seem to be smaller than it should be, but it appeared to be at the lowest elevation that the track would reach. That's a powerful combination. It felt like the train was trying to throw me out. It would not surprise me to learn that this coaster is where the phrase "Gertz hurts" was coined. My favorite part was the second part of the double dip. As you said, it will take riders by surprise. I'm sure RMC would make something wonderful out of The Boss. But, they have the tendency to cut the track length significantly on any remodels they do. I sampled The Boss twice, once in front and once in back and that was enough for me. I spent much of my time on Screamin' Eagle. Mr Freeze was down that day, so I missed it (although I have ridden SFOT's installation several times.) The GCI did not exist at that time. I sampled the Ninja once and wished they had kept their other Mine Tain instead. Two vintage Arrow Mine Trains adjacent to each other sounds like a win to me.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I like Boss, but would welcome an RMC hybrid if done well.

[@coasterdaddy7123]

This ride is really up there on my bucket list!!! Imagine how impressive this would've been for a wooden coaster upon opening in 2000 given how impressive it still is. The ones ahead of it at the time I can think of are mostly ones now defunct! Mean Streak, Son of Beast, Texas Giant, Colossus...

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree. It's a survivor.

[@that_1_guy_you_know]

I believe giving it the GhostRider treatment would be better than being RMC’d. It keep the tradition wooden coaster feel. They could even throw the helix back in!

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd be on-board with the GhostRider treatment as long as it worked long-term. So far GhostRider is holding up.

[@Blitzol]

Gci: lets remove this helix Also GCI 3 years later: time to put this helix back in

[@leitakcoc]

Yes please!

[@leonardo_decapitated4644]

I think a GCI retracking like Ghostrider would be the best option, six flags wouldn’t, but some traditional wood coasters like ghostrider should be preserved in their original layouts, and Boss is one of those m. GCi tightened steel track is another good option that might be more realistic for Six Flags. I love RMC, but i do think The Boss deserves to be a traditional wood coaster due to it’s unique layout

[@CanobieCoaster]

This is another layout that's pretty good.

[@goofygorf1520]

I rode the double Helix in 2017, and it still has left a mark on me. It was pure insanity

[@CanobieCoaster]

Sounds it!

[@CoasterRoaster]

I actually liked the Gerstlauer trains because of how unrestricting they are

[@user-pw5ve2xc7t]

Facts

[@CanobieCoaster]

They're good if you aren't stapled.

[@ThrillsofColdplay]

These trains remind me of the GCI Trains from the front

[@mitchellries256]

I still stand by what I said about how they should give this the RMC treatment. It's important to remember that sometimes it's not just the ride but the park in a whole that you have to think about on whether it needs that or not. Sure this may be expensive but it's going to bring in a lot more thrill seekers to the park and it's going to save them lots of money so they don't have to continously retrack it so it's going to be worth every penny in the end. Six Flags Darien Lake should've done the same thing with Predator as well. That's one of the more lesser popular parks in the chain and a renovation like that would've been a success for them as well. I don't know why they didn't either.

[@OutlawRunnerSDC]

I agree, to a point, Instead of investing in smaller rides for a few years, SF:STL could devote a lot of money to The Boss to make it an All-Star RMC hyper-hybrid potentially. If they did that then they could afford to not add new rides for several years here since the Boss would draw SteVe-like crowds for a long time and SF could, in the long run, profit off of this

[@CanobieCoaster]

One of the downsides to the Six Flags approach of giving a park a new ride every year is that it becomes harder to save up for the big addition.

[@mitchellries256]

@@CanobieCoaster After this pandemic, I don't see them doing that continuously doing that. After all they didn't announce anything for Frontier City. Until then maybe they should take turns on which park gets something big.

[@mattw8910]

@@CanobieCoaster Yeah, rn SFSTL is a ghost town due to COVID, so I think if this park is to make enough money, Six Flags may really consider an RMC Boss, but would wait until its safer to go to the park, maybe in 2023 or 2024.

[@CyberTurtle13]

@@mitchellries256 You also need to take into account the GP. To a lot of thrill seekers (excluding myself) the boss isn’t as rough as people say it is, but to the GP who don’t ride wood coasters or coasters in general as often, it is one of the worst rides in the park. The RMC route will be more expensive, but the GP makes up a large part of any park’s attendance which means that they could hugely benefit from RMC’ing this ride and make it more appealing to the GP and thrill seekers alike

[@natczat]

grew up in Eureka, lived at Sixflags every summer, and The Boss is still my favorite coaster there. Such a fun, shaking classic! I remember being so sad when they removed the double helix.. it was intense. But you could tell that it wore the track a lot.. still a great ride, despite being pretty rough😂

[@CanobieCoaster]

It's definitely a fun one.

[@thefergyfilms]

The Boss RMC'd would be a top 5 hybrid, without a doubt. Six Flags St. Louis of all places would have an elite, top 20 worthy coaster. However, the layout is great as is so I think a Titan track would also enter the coaster into this elite category, possibly for cheaper.

[@CanobieCoaster]

The setting and ride's length make it extremely tempting for an RMC conversion, but I know it would be pricey.

[@bschlegs99]

I rode this back when the helix was still there and the trims didn't kill the pacing and it has been one of my favorite wooden rollercoasters ever since then. Would love to see Gravity Group brought in to do some structure work as well as install their pre-cut engineered track on the ride. And maybe put the helix back in as that was the best moment on the ride! The perfect finale to this awesome coaster ripping through its layout!

[@CanobieCoaster]

I would not mind a full retrack since the layout is strong.

[@Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee69]

It’s funny you mentioned the old layout and riding at night. the first four times I rode the boss was in the same day. It was before 2018. I think it was in the Sumer of 2016, That would explain why it felt more rough back then it did this year when I rode it. The first one I took at the end of sunset which was insanely beautiful. And The last three rides after were back to back in pitch black before closing. The ride operator let us stay on because we where the last riders that night and sent us three more times till more than half the people got off, and he closed it for the night. Never realized how lucky I was till now. Wish I could remember it better, but most of it I can recall is was being thrown around in the darkness not knowing where anything was or what was even happening. There are absolutely no lights on it except for the the loading dock. Once you go down the first hill you couldn’t see anything. So, the only details I can give you are. It was fast and it felt like almost borderline whiplash. But like in a fun way. That and the slight panic of getting airtime for the first time in the dark on an old ass wooden coaster thinking for a split second thinking something went horribly wrong and I was gonna die lol. Good times….

[@CanobieCoaster]

I really need to experience this at night sometime.

[@andrewcox1025]

SFSL is my home park, and I've ridden Boss many times. A GCI retrack is all this needs in my opinion. People say it should get RMC'd because "it'd give SFSL a standout coaster." I say this IS the standout coaster, its just that it's rough, and even as a massive fan of this coaster who DOESN'T want to see it RMC'd, even I'll admit to that. I got a night ride during Fright Fest back in 2016 (good god that was 6 years ago) before they removed the helix and just let the train coast through the MCBR. It hauled ass through the second half, and the drop off the MCBR and turnaroud gave excellent airtime in the back (you can still get a decent pop on a hot summer day though). It was honestly an amazing experience, and I feel like a lot of the people who aren't fans of the ride would change their tune at least a little if they experienced it. Sadly, I don't even know if it's able to run during FF at this point, let alone at night. October can get pretty friggin' cold here, and as it stands, nobody will get to experience what I did in 2016, if for no other reason than the trimming and removal of the helix. A GCI retrack to get this ride running smooth and without trims (and maybe, just maybe bring back the helix) will make this ride amazing again, but even in its currently nerfed state, I still love this ride. Good god I basically wrote a small essay on this coaster.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree a full retrack and toning down of the mid-course trim could make this ride special.

[@teddym2808]

Give it the ghost rider treatment with the trim removed, or titan track it and it will never need a retracking again. The layout is great. I rode this before the trim when it was smooth too. First year of operation. Trust me it's a good coaster.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd be in favor of that.

[@isaiahpinto5675]

Totally agree with the aggressiveness statement. This ride is not painful in that it's rough, it can be painful in that it is a lot. The ride just hits those drops with so much speed and that speed is elevated by the surroundings that it can be overwhelming. The turns and aggression is something else. I was fortunate enough to get a trim less ride and i can confirm it's epic. It completely sends the second half to the point where i can't stomach back to back rides. All in all I personally love this ride

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish this ride could run full-tilt in the second half.

[@CyberTurtle13]

@@isaiahpinto5675 I find it painful in the aggression like you said, but my biggest problem with this ride is that it shakes so much. For me it just hurts when you are being thrown around and shaken in that car with minimal padded lap bars.

[@AlexRuckusFTW]

I missed an opportunity to go last year hopefully I'll make it out this year. It looks intense!

[@CanobieCoaster]

It's a solid all-around coaster

[@GummyBlocks]

A ride op said RMC Boss is coming 2023. It was supposed to be this year but got pushed back.

[@CanobieCoaster]

Hopefully!

[@Blitzol]

Boss is at my home park and i have never gotten airtime on it but i still love it for the laterals Also the laterals are so strong one time i was riding with my brother and we went into a turning valley and my head got yanked onto his lap and i physically could not bring it back up till we got back t the top of the next hill, this ride is awesome

[@CanobieCoaster]

I got airtime in both 2018 and 2020, so maybe I've just been lucky. I agree on the laterals though.

[@blitzn00dle50]

I don't agree with your assessment (I'm boss is trash gang all the way) but that's because I don't like laterals from unbanked turns nearly as much. I love laterals from a change in banking, but the turns on this ride feel like I'm in a car making a right turn, so this ride just doesn't do it for me. Of course if you love the boss I can see why

[@Blitzol]

@@blitzn00dle50 The boss is fun but I do see why you would not like it but I would rather have it RMC'd than not

[@dead_fish243]

if i were you, i’d ride second to back on boss. it’s actually smoother than the front, and gives the same airtime as the very back

[@CanobieCoaster]

I usually avoid the wheel seat to be safe.

[@collinparsons3363]

I think this ride is in a similar situation to the original Cyclone at Six Flags New England. It's quite rough, but still rideable, and has some redeeming qualities. It also has the same problem where the ride's pacing is killed by a devastating trim brake. I think it should be considered to be RMC'd, but only if they can keep the length about the same. The full retrack and titan track in high stress portions of the layout would also help a lot, but I think it's clear that the ride should not be left as is.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree the ride's layout is good if they can get it running at full speed.

[@casuallystalled]

i wonder if they'd do something like titian track or RMC 208 track for the roughest parts, because it would be cool to see it remain mostly wooden

[@CanobieCoaster]

That would definitely help.

[@OutlawRunnerSDC]

I commented my piece on the last video, but I don't want the Boss RMCed unless Six Flags is willing to pay the extra money to make it a World's-Best Contender. Also, the Boss was sooo much better with the helix in place, it was the perfect finale for this monstrosity, plus the mid-course was untrimmed which gave insane ejector off of the midcourse and great flojector on the swooping turn on the next hill. I will say one thing, if they made Boss a #1-contender RMC that long queue would complement the lines it would draw quite nicely. Edit: You should definitely ride the Boss at night, it completely blows you away and you can't see anything. You are completely at the mercy of this wooden behemoth, I can't even imagine how good the night ride would be on a RMC Boss

[@CanobieCoaster]

If they convert the whole ride, I have no doubt it would be one of the best rides in the world. It would just be pricey.

[@robertblechle6365]

We in St Louis need something. Either retrack or emcee the ride , or add a raptor would help the collection and bring the park some lost luster

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree.

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

I didn't like my 2 rides on Boss in 2016. It jackhammered horribly, so much that I don't even remember the helix finale. I just wanted the ride to be over. My 2018 rides were only a little better. A couple of those were night rides, and I loved how you had some light at the top of the lift hill, then you plunged into total darkness. It was still too rough for me to enjoy fully, but I'm hoping that I will have better tolerance for roughness the next time I ride it.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I need to get on this one at night.

[@mateoalvira7826]

What would you like to do with the mid course trim on Boss?

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish it was removed.

[@cliquet3scliquet3s96]

If the mid course trim slows down, you said you still got some airtime but what would you like to do with the mid course trim?

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish it ran trimless.

[@MrNavajoRug]

Been riding this coaster since it opened. It really is a shame how rough it has been at times. As a kid it didn’t get to me much. And it wasn’t that bad. But once I was older than 22 it will give me a headache for the rest of the day if I ride it more than once. It really was a great coaster when it opened imo. Nothing earth shattering or anything but very enjoyable. The helix was gnarly. Friends of mine would grey out on it. Very intense. Everyone knows it is one of the best RMC candidates left in the world. Will that happen is STL? Probably not. Haven’t had a custom steel coaster since ninja...just too pricey for them to care I guess. I get it, it’s a small market. And the added enthusiasts from an RMC addition is hardly a fraction of the additional revenue they’d be needing.

[@CanobieCoaster]

RMC Boss or even a full retrack would be amazing.

[@Joypyf]

To say the restraints are unforgiving is an understatement lol 🤕

[@CanobieCoaster]

Yeah...

[@cliquet3scliquet3s96]

I like this coaster as-is, do you like how it runs, the mid course brake run, or what do you wish?

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd prefer the trims off.

[@braydenmunger8391]

I feel some titan track would be nice not to completely redo the layout or just a gci retracking with no steel also change the train to a gci one

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd be fine with that since the layout is solid.

[@leitakcoc]

Exactly!

[@dead_fish243]

trimless boss’s drop off the midcourse gives awesome ejector, better than ghostrider’s equivalent. other than that, the ride isn’t much different

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish I could experience it like that.

[@HangtimeThrills]

2:30 when i went to the park in October 2020 I got a back row night ride trimless and it was ridiculous

[@CanobieCoaster]

Lucky!

[@cliquet3scliquet3s96]

What are the differences between "aggresive" and "rough? What do you think?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Aggressive is wild, rough is when rides are shaky and bouncy.

[@alantrotter2077]

I rode it for the first time in 2020. I rank it one spot ahead of Screaming Eagle and a little bit ahead of American Thunder. I think the first half of Boss was awesome! I was a bit disappointed with the second half. I didn't find it that rough to be honest. The trim killed the pacing. I think the drop without the trims would be similar to GhostRider's second drop, but maybe not quite as good. I didn't get any night rides but I have heard that is a big plus with this coaster.

[@lizard7001]

I can confirm that night rides on Boss are great. Thrills are always enhanced when you can't see a thing.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I really want to get a night ride on this someday.

[@mateoalvira3514]

Canobie Coaster would say: Boss was especially susceptible to this considering the sheer size of this coaster, and many riders have found this coaster unbearably rough. It is clear that Six Flags St. Louis is aware of this. For one, the ride now brings you to a near stop on the mid-course brake run. This causes you to crawl through the start of the second half, but the reduced speed does help reduce wear and tear on the structure. Originally, the ride ran through this section uninhibited, and the second half was even wilder by all accounts. I've heard of a few lucky riders getting untrimmed Boss rides in recent years, but they're few and far between. Two, the helix was arguably the most intense part of the ride. While I unfortunately never experienced Boss with this element, my first time riding this coaster was in 2018 shortly after it reopened, those who did experience the double helix said...

[@CanobieCoaster]

It had great laterals.

[@fmccloud]

I rode this in 2016 and yeah it was really rough. I’d ride it again, but probably not more than once a day. Also I remember that it seemed to go on forever.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I like the length for sure!

[@Darkage-io4sl]

I now understand why people hate on this ride so much. I had no idea the double helix was removed and I rode it in I believe 2014ish so I rode it with the double helix. I also remember it being better than the other two wooden coasters in the same park at the time, but I can see how people don't like this now which is sad because it was one of my favorite rides there at the time.

[@CanobieCoaster]

This ride is aggressive so I can understand how people can get a bad ride.

[@zoegauthier7540]

i think i-box track and some RMC magic would be great here. If it is considered unbearably rough, it needs a rennovation!

[@CanobieCoaster]

If they'll pay it, it would be amazing!

[@lay10vids]

It’s one of the best CCIs in my opinion. I really hope it stays around in its current form.

[@CanobieCoaster]

A retracking would work since the layout is fine.

[@CoasterVisuals103]

You really need to get a reride on this coaster. It is constantly trimming way less. It lightly taps the train and all the hills after have airtime and/or laterals now.

[@CanobieCoaster]

That sounds awesome.

[@2beJT]

Screamin Eagle was way rougher than Boss a couple days ago when I went. Boss seemed to run faster than shown here. Maybe they set the brake run up a little better for the 2nd half.

[@CanobieCoaster]

That would be great.

[@sammyers8550]

I’ve rode the boss 100s of times one of the best rollercoaster ever.The rough part is what’s fun it’s not that bad we used to rides this 6 times in a row. I’m sad about the trim and getting rid of the helix I want the boss the original way rough and fast! I will always love the boss.

[@sammyers8550]

With the trim and no double helix that’s not the boss I know and love.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I like the layout. Just wish it ran at full potential.

[@stvesty]

The double helix was removed??? I haven't been in a few years but that was my favorite part of the whole ride. If you were sitting in the back, you would fly through the two corners.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I can imagine!

[@jaydenchrist6152]

Yea I think this needs teh rmc treatment it would be so awesome

[@CanobieCoaster]

Agreed!

[@uglymouse1915]

Im from thhe Chicago area and ive been considering making the 5 hour drive down here to check this place out, would you say itd be worth it?

[@CanobieCoaster]

It's a nice overall park. The coaster lineup has a lot of good rides.

[@mateoalvira7826]

Would you like to go again to Six Flags St. Louis?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Yes

[@bridgetraveler7700]

I can't tell if my dad and I got trimmed on the Boss or not at Six Flags Saint Louis. The ride seems to be faster in the second half of the ride.

[@CanobieCoaster]

If you slowed down before the last big turnaround, you were trimmed.

[@Noct31]

I say RMC it still. It'll become a top-tier coaster in the world, and you can call it The Final Boss and theme it to the epic battles and showdowns between ultimate good and evil that our culture loves.

[@CanobieCoaster]

That would be a great name!

[@CyberTurtle13]

I went on this yesterday and had insane chest, back, and neck pains the entire day after.

[@CanobieCoaster]

Ouch! I have never found it too uncomfortable.

[@mateoalvira7826]

How many other CCI wooden coasters did you find to have flawed pacing and do you wish you could have liked in their original forms?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Stampida is another example.

[@bridgetraveler7700]

I've riden the Boss at Six Flags Saint Louis recently and the brakes took the wind right out of me the lap bar hit me hard in the stomach and that hurt like crazy.😡

[@CanobieCoaster]

Oh no!

[@Adar512]

What coaster Six Flags St Louis should get next?

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd love a Raptor.

[@lukestange]

raptor in the tidal wave plot

[@christopherwithers1030]

Did they rebrand the screaming eagle or is this different?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Different. Screamin' Eagle is still there.

[@rossh688]

YES they should!

[@CanobieCoaster]

I wish.

[@BCrouts06]

Do u think they will put Millennium flyer trains on it?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Possibly if GCI one day retracks it.

[@braydenmunger8391]

Wait don’t they just turn down the trims so it doesn’t valley I mean ig ware and tare but that’s why gci should do some work

[@CanobieCoaster]

Considering how much speed Boss builds up by the end even when the ride is trimmed, I understand why they're there.

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

I ride this untrimmed and it is ruthless in both forces and pain. It’s a decent ride, but the pain held it back for me.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I want to try it in that form.

[@keyonjay4319]

I love it

[@CanobieCoaster]

Thanks!

[@thecoastergnome8603]

boss seems like it should get the ghostrider treatment or the i-box treatment

[@CanobieCoaster]

Either would help.

[@Jeronimogrim]

This reminds me a lot of medusa in six flags mexico. It was a really good wooden coaster, but it was unbearable at the end of its years.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I heard little about how good Medusa was at first.

[@braydenmunger8391]

Idk why I really don’t want it to be rmc’d I feel like it should stay how it is it just needs some track work

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree the layout is fine, but an RMC with that setting and layout would be insane (but costly).

[@maxhagenauer24]

I agree this is one of the most polarizing wooden coasters, people either love it or they hate it. For me, I honestly kind of hate it. It does absolutely nothing for me. From what I remember, it has no airtime, no positives, not even laterals, come on, your a CCI, you have to have laterals but the big turns are so high off the ground and so slow, you feel like you are going to valley. It is also very rough but of course that is what to expect for an old wooden coaster so it doesn't bother me to much. One of the worst things about it in my opinion are the trains. I am not a fan of the Gerstlauer trains. I defiantly prefer the PTC trains. The one good thing this coaster does do though is that it will make a fantastic RMC, the layout has so much RMC potential and I honestly cant think of a better wooden coaster to get RMCed.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I've had no issues getting airtime on Boss. I can understand shuffling bringing the ride down.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@@CanobieCoaster I did also ride it in 2020 so maybe that was the issue?

[@CanobieCoaster]

I rode it this year as well. Was it a cold day for you?

[@maxhagenauer24]

@@CanobieCoaster Not that I remember, some of the conditions were back seat, about half to 3/4 of the train full, and I don't think I got stapled. Maybe it was just me and I probably set my expectations to high.

[@Ihatethoosies]

This ride is amazing at night. It feels alot more intense in complete darkness

[@CanobieCoaster]

I want to get a night ride on it someday.

[@justiceleaguebattleformetr9239]

11:15 Screaming Eagle was actually running stupid well in 2020. You probably caught it at a bad time. I agree that American Thunder wasn’t running that great

[@CanobieCoaster]

Did they ever run full trains on Eagle? My rides were with half full trains (due to covid) in the early afternoon.

[@HangtimeThrills]

i absolutely love this coaster, second best in the park for me and i love it’s airtime, laterals, (somewhat) smoothness, and it’s insane night rides, yeah rmc boss would be insane but i’d prefer to keep this as is

[@CanobieCoaster]

I do like the layout, but I can't ignore its potential.

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

This could possibly top steel vengeance if it were to be RMCd theres.so many long drawn out turnarounds high above the ground just imagine the top hat on steel vengeance but like 3 times

[@CanobieCoaster]

It has a lot of potential.

[@coastercloudy]

I think rmc will go there 9ne day I mean they did go to some 9f the smaller parks in the big chains?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Boss is longer than a lot of the rides they converted at smaller parks though.

[@lukestange]

RMC already does maintenance on this ride. One of my friends back home is a ride op on the boss, and he's told me that there was plans (pre-covid) to RMC boss. Of course, those plans have probably been pushed back years because of 2020, but still

[@CanobieCoaster]

I can patiently wait for that.

[@austinwoods5858]

@@lukestange wait fr

Wooded wooden coasters have the best names

[@CanobieCoaster]

Lol

[@thequackenscoasterchannel2927]

I have gained an appreciation for its unique layout and great setting, but I never get jack for airtime on Boss even in the back row. Not sure what's going on. To me, this ride is rough and boring

[@CanobieCoaster]

That's odd. My rides have never struggled for airtime.

[@Habreno]

Don't RMC it. GCI it. Long-term solution that addresses the roughness, helps the ride, and still keeps it the good ride it is.

[@corkscrewfoley]

Considering the issues RMC has been having the past few years.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I agree a wood retrack would make it great too, but objectively I think an RMC conversion could be one of the world's best rides if they use the full length.

[@BCrouts06]

I think it would be a great ride with Millennium Flyers tbh surprised they haven’t done it yet.

[@leitakcoc]

I’d rather see gci do some retracking than an RMC conversion.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd be fine with either.

[@johnodavidson]

Night rides!

[@CanobieCoaster]

One day I will!

[@blakebetsworth9869]

SF-STL needs a top tier roller coaster BADLY. And RMC'ing The Boss is the cheapest way to get one, the park flat-out deserves a B&M hyper, but being as I highly doubt SF will give that to this park it seems this would be their best bet. OR, and my personal favorite option would be, titan track The Boss, and replace Ninja with a RMC raptor.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd love RMC Boss.

[@lukestange]

lmao yeah, if i ever win the lottery i'm gonna donate all the money to SFSTL and have them RMC boss and build a mack hyper

[@blakebetsworth9869]

@@lukestange haha, hell yeah! The idea of the first Mack hyper in the US being at SF STL is so absurdly bad ass and hilarious at the same time. Enthusiasts all across the US would be like, "what the hell is so great about Missouri that they get all of the Macks first?".

[@mpacz9987]

I hope it never gets rmc'd. my favorite roller coaster I've ever ridden. I love it in its current state... although it was even better with the 540 helix at the end

[@CanobieCoaster]

I would welcome a retrack that allows it to run full speed and smoothly.

[@mpacz9987]

@@CanobieCoaster agreed!

[@MillenniumForceMan]

If that helix was anything like legends then it was probably rly good

[@user-pw5ve2xc7t]

It was, just not as strong but it was still crazy

[@CanobieCoaster]

Imagine what that helix would be like if you weren't trimmed.

[@user-pw5ve2xc7t]

That would be amazing

[@MillenniumForceMan]

@@CanobieCoaster it would probably be like legends if it was untrimmed

[@thequackenscoasterchannel2927]

The helix delivered great laterals but also jackhammered you like no tomorrow. Hurt like a you-know-what

[@mattw8910]

Im from St. Louis, and I hate Boss. For me, its an absolute headache machine. I'd only ever reride it if it was RMC'd or retracked. And I have actually heard from a source that Six Flags is considering or has considered an RMC conversion of Boss, but I am skeptical since I havent heard of it from anybody else. Like if you agree with me, and reply what you think about RMCing Boss, and if this "rumor" actually is true, give me a reason to believe it is 🤣🤣 All I can say about an RMC Boss is that it could be better than Steel Vengeance AND be closer to home

[@CanobieCoaster]

It has the length and setting, so it would be amazing.

[@mateoalvira3514]

Canobie Coaster would say: Boss was especially susceptible to this considering the sheer size of this coaster, and many riders have found this coaster unbearably...

[@CanobieCoaster]

Rough

[@Lucky_9705]

In my opinion, this ride is criminally underrated and gets way too much hate by the coaster community. It’s rough, but the speed, unrestrictive trains, forest setting, and excellent floater airtime more than make up for it. While I do think that RMC should retrack some of the rough patches, I think that The Boss should stay as is.

[@CanobieCoaster]

It's an enjoyable ride as is with potential for better.

[@jtwoolley]

yes. they should.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I hope!

[@olivertacony]

STL here, yes they should be this shi hurts

[@CanobieCoaster]

I don't find it painful, but it could get way better as a hybrid.

[@jaydenchrist6152]

It has a good layout but its rough.

[@CanobieCoaster]

Agreed.

[@gyeongchankim5423]

Minor error: 66mph is about 106km/h

[@CanobieCoaster]

Thanks, I just fixed it.

[@knexbox360]

How would you compare the roughness to Wildcat at Lake Compounce?

[@CanobieCoaster]

Wildcat is considerably rougher for me. Boss is comparable to Boulder Dash.

[@thequackenscoasterchannel2927]

@@CanobieCoaster this is something I can agree with. Boulder Dash is more bearable than Boss, but not by much. Wildcat is just god awful

[@SunnylandProds]

They should absolutely RMC it!

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd support that.

[@SunnylandProds]

@@CanobieCoaster It’s got a strong layout that could only be improved by an RMC conversion, and it would easily be the park’s standout coaster!

[@KorraDaTrainBuff]

I visited Six Flags St. Louis this weekend and was actually really looking forward to riding this, but I was _NOT_ prepared for how rough it actually is. If I'm honest, the mid-course brake run actually was kind of a relief lol, even a day after my legs were sore as hell. Still a great coaster though, just not one I would marathon. Normally I'm against RMC'ing wooden coasters but I could see the potential in doing it to this one.

[@CanobieCoaster]

This ride has so much RMC potential.

[@Duelingdragons382]

Even if they wanted to they can’t as the park is on a budget

[@CanobieCoaster]

I think they could RMC this if they saved up.

[@maryrochow3436]

Yes always should be fixed

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'm hopeful something will happen

[@Uncle_Nate]

My biggest disappointment of my 2020 midwest trip. I'm a fan of gci or gravity group adding new trains, profiling, and retracking. Remove the trims and restore it to its glory.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I'd love for Six Flags to do anything to unlock this ride's full potential.

[@Shredxcam22]

You know its rough when my kids wont ride it

[@CanobieCoaster]

I don't find it too rough personally.

[@Shredxcam22]

@@CanobieCoaster I know my perspective was jaded last year from going to holiday world. Then stl. We are going to stl again this year which will be my 6th or 7th time there.

[@prakesh2904]

Short answer, no

[@CanobieCoaster]

Objectively I think RMC Boss would be amazing but I still enjoy the ride as is.

[@prakesh2904]

@@CanobieCoaster true, it would be better but I do like it how it is

[@elevatoralarmcoasterandarc1214]

If The Boss gets the RMC treatment, it can be named Two Face's Revenge. It can have orange and purple rails and feature some inversions, including a barrel roll downdrop like Twisted Timbers.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I don't care what they call it if they RMC it.

[@corkscrewfoley]

No RMC, have GCI come in, and retrack/modify it like Ghostrider.

[@CanobieCoaster]

I would be fine with either, but objectively I think an RMC would be better.

[@Twisted-Coaster-Fan]

I Don’t Like This Coaster is Ridiculous Rough Worst Roller Coasters I Ever Ridden

[@CanobieCoaster]

I like it, but I admit there's room for improvement.

[@mateoalvira3514]

Canobie Coaster would say: Boss was especially susceptible to this considering the sheer size of this coaster, and many riders have found this coaster unbearably rough. It is clear that Six Flags St. Louis is aware of this. For one, the ride now brings you to a near stop on the mid-course brake run. This causes you to crawl through the start of the second half, but the reduced speed does help reduce wear and tear on the structure. Originally, the ride ran through this section uninhibited, and the second half was even wilder by all accounts. I've heard of a few lucky riders getting untrimmed Boss rides in recent years, but they're few and far between. Two, the helix was arguably... A) the weakest part of the ride. B) the most intense part of the ride. C) the fastest part of the ride. D) the roughest part of the ride.

[@CanobieCoaster]

B and D

[@mateoalvira3514]

Canobie Coaster would say: Boss was especially susceptible to this considering the sheer size of this coaster, and many riders have found this coaster unbearably rough. It is clear that Six Flags St. Louis is aware of this. For one, the ride now brings you to a near stop on the mid-course brake run. This causes you to crawl through the start of the second half, but the reduced speed does help reduce wear and tear on the structure. Originally, the ride ran through this section uninhibited, and the second half was even wilder by all accounts. I've heard of a few lucky riders getting untrimmed Boss rides in recent years, but they're few and far between. Two, the helix was arguably the most _ _ _ _ _ _ _ part of the ride. While I unfortunately never experienced Boss with this element, my first time riding this coaster was in 2018 shortly after it reopened, those who did experience the double helix said it had some of the _ _ _ _ laterals on any coaster; but it also became _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ combined with the jackhammering you experienced during this element. There are three words missing in the quote. What do you think?

[@CanobieCoaster]

See my review for the words I used.