Bow League starters Better than Ever(wands too)

[@okstus]

You have prolly already noticed it, but seemingly with a large thread of hope jewel, you can hit "quickstep", "one with nature", "primeval force", "master fletcher", "king of the hill", "split shot", "aspect of the eagle", the "wind dancer" keystone and the two new notables perfectionist and multishot.. Seems like a lot of value for a single jewel

[@Avvoltoyo]

indeed. tho u usually put a timeless there...will have to see if it's worth

[@wideawakeanimal1]

@@Avvoltoyo With all the saved points, you probably will have enough to put timeless some where else lol

[@Avvoltoyo]

@@wideawakeanimal1 oh sure, we just have to see if it's worth it. But would be nice to have a different bow tree for a change

[@chuckliddell6492]

do not let doomers affect your league everyone. Gonna be an amazing league for many builds

[@Somerled_Pox]

Doomers don't even have any ground to stand on Just be happy, it's easy!

[@hotdog5927]

don't worry that last 10% of melee players will stop being doomers and swap to ranged soon enough

[@TheSilverwing999]

This league is too hype to have doomers even put a dent in

[@urghertable]

cant upvote this enough. the "omg nerfs" train is overhyping some minor stuff, and if crucible weapon system is as powerful as it looks, builds will be nutty.

[@blahblahgdp]

the only doom i see is how the overall game is structured if you're not willing to trade. and TFT being a cancer and not being dealt with for years. but hey yall dont get past T5 anyway so who cares

[@GROGOLOG]

People are sleeping on the new reworked uniques as well. The new xophs bow adds 30-50 flat fire PER ENEMY PIERCED. It also gives pierce all burning enemies and ignite prolif, so as long as enemies are close enough to keep the chain going, it has infinite pierce. With return I can see firing into a legion and having the return projs coming back with like 20 enemies pierced being VERY strong.

[@CaptainLance9]

big agree, i am personally really stoked about build with abyss uniques but other reworks are fantastic upgrades as well

[@Dargor_]

Vaal breach technology with this bow seems fun

[@TheTickyTickyTicky]

nimis + xoph's nurture

[@nathanielnizard2163]

Maybe but don't plan around a breach item on D1 to D3 unless you're certain it won't be meta, Xoph's blood for example got crazy expensive in some early leagues and this time blessings will be way rarer too.

[@kimserne]

But it dosent give ignite proliff?

[@waitwaitwaitwaitamin]

Adrenaline on swap was killed by GGG, it now removes damaging ailment.

[@trackts]

FYI, you can also put a large Thread of Hope to get all this projectile nodes + 3 Pierce. I'll be farming Sirus, for sure.

[@chx1975]

While it's a bit further away, Dance of Blades is not that far and if you are swapping stances anyways you get Onslaught on top of Adrenaline and that wheel gives 30% CD to Stance skills, gem level gives 50%, gem quality gives 10% that's already 90% CDR. If you get a little CDR from elsewhere (Shaper/Crusader boots/belt, abyss jewels) you are looking at permanent Adrenaline *and* Onslaught as long as you don't stop moving with left click...

[@slouch186]

yeah i was reading the patch notes and saw the extra projs on tree and thought "holy cow i'm definitely league starting a bow character." didn't really understand the projectile returning thing myself so thanks for explaining what that meant, exactly.

[@MasterRisto]

TECHNICALLY.... you can use AUTO Hot KEY to set up a macro for Blood and Sand to activate over and over. WHY? Isn't it against ToS? NO, because PoE says that so long as a Macro only does ONE function, (this is how they justify log out macro) then the macro is okay. So the ONE function this would be.... is to press (whatever) key that you put Blood and Sand on ever 1.2 seconds. For those who don't know how to make a macro or Auto Hot Key scrip you can go to almost any AI (like Chat GPT) and tell it "Make me an Auto Hot Key script where (whatever key you choose) is pressed repeatedly very 1.2 seconds) You can't get adrenaline while you HAVE adrenaline and it lasts for 1 second so that's why you have it pressed everyone 1.2 seconds. (Additionally imagine how you can now abuse champion ascendancy)

[@flyYyify]

The way you present your builds always make me feel better when I'm having a shit day. Thank you :)

[@xTobsecretx]

This league is all about Formless Inferno for me. I am SO EXCITED for it in SSF. Gonna run it on Occultist and have a siiiiick time clearing maps and delve.

[@kaydenvortex1984]

Only problem is we don't know how rare the blessings will be, might take a couple of days to actually get the formless inferno

[@knicklichtjedi]

Infernal Skitterbots? Or Popcorn SRS something?

[@bartekhenryk5361]

oh boy 7856.2 base damage seems like old CoD RF minions are back

[@niuage]

@@bartekhenryk5361 Where did you find this 7.8k base damage?

[@niuage]

Why occultist? for pops?

[@BuffMcMuff]

Looking good man, had fun talking about this in your stream chat yesterday.

[@GoodGuyGaming3]

bOw LeAgUe? haha. Hope you and the family and the home are doing well. Thanks for the video! The +1 on the tree straight up has me stoked.

[@TheRedRedKroovy]

Elemental Hit should make a comeback in the meta IMO. The buff to Xoph's Blood makes pure fire Ele Hit so much better both offensively and defensively, not to mention all the buffs to bows that are present now

[@sciencetherat788]

I leaguestarted bow gladiator in 3.19 and it felt okayish (I like wacky starters lol) but I ultimately abandoned it at early red maps. I think you just convinced me to try it again. I was already enjoying stance swapping with this playstyle, and now I get adrenaline, onslaught and mana reservation options? Sick! Puncture linked to the new snipe skill for big targets with ensnaring arrow ballistas. Somethin' stupid like split arrow should be fine for clear with bloodsplosions. The "(New) Damaging Ailments cannot be inflicted on you while you already have one, Non-Damaging Ailments cannot be inflicted on you while you already have one" mastery makes me want to experiment with something like self bleed+chill (Venopuncture+Golden Rule?) for ailment immunity! AND THEN I GET WEAPON TREES ON TOP OF THAT! This league is bringing FUNK!

[@Eleriath]

Definetly bow league. I'm crazy trying to figure out if Manaforged arrows is like a busted trigger for bow attack skills. Manaforged Arrows: Supports bow attack skills, causing them to trigger when you've spent an amount of total mana on other bow attacks based on the supported skill's mana cost. Supported skills deal more damage based on their mana cost. Cannot modify the skills of minions. Thanks cap for this info. you are the man at showing this nice details/interactions/information!

[@Tirinir]

Definitely great for utility with Ensnaring Arrow and Frenzy.

[@youradhere3476]

​@@Tirinir Rain of Arrows/Blast Rain/Storm Rain with Withering Touch and this new bow support gem + separate Mirage Archer support w/ Withering Touch setup + the actual damage setup on a posion bow PF should be able to get fat wither stacks extremely fast.

[@virrre]

Manaforged Arrows is free maloney's mechanism for utility bow skills like lvl1 frenzy and ensnaring arrow. You have a separate 4-link with utility which triggers automatically while spamming your main skill.

[@90DatteRo]

Man you're genius. Add culling support and that's a gg 4-link.

[@contrakt666]

dont forget , u still need to have the mana to pay the skills. triggered spells still need u to have enough mana. so 3 skills + supp triggered might cost up to 50-100 mana each time.

[@virrre]

@@contrakt666 No worries while using it for utility and lvl 1 skills.

[@90DatteRo]

@@contrakt666 just don't level the gems

[@Fragmaster01]

I'm definitely feeling Cobra Lash this league. Better masteries mixed with +Proj on the tree means it's easier to make an assassin that doesn't die immediately, and gets more damage out of not needing to run GMP. Usually the single target gets nerfed because you need GMP to properly deal with mobs of enemies, but if you can just run an LMP or even forgo the support entirely, that's a huge damage buff. Also Cobra Lash is just a fun skill and I want it to be good even if it's been meh in several past leagues.

[@RobertN734]

I've been an archery coach for 10 years and shoot a 100 pound English longbow. The closest I've felt to enjoying PoE bows like real archery is Scourge Arrow, then Assailum. Speed shooting in archery is all about rhythm. The channeled skills capture that. Finally I can just play with the Snipe gem.

[@bro_1337]

Unless I'm missing something, blood and sand stance switch on left click won't work. It doesn't switch stances for me when I click while having it on left click.

[@TNTspaz]

People are sleeping on the changes in general because of how toxic the main subreddit is being. Some of the changes are completely broken and we haven't even touched the league mechanic yet. Sometimes the subreddit gets change complaints right but it's literally every time I see them upset about a change and call it a nerf. It takes two seconds to look a little deeper into the changes to realize it was actually a buff cause they moved the supposedly removed thing somewhere else more accessible or just straight up introduced something better

[@derbengel8172]

Oh boy i am so HYPED! I also have a feeling that this new Prismatic Burst Support Gem is btw really intresting to play around with. Especially later on as an attribute stacker.

[@MidsummerNightScream]

everyone is hyper focused on what are nerfed and unwilling to try new things. thanks captain!

[@SuSp3cT666]

even the things that have been nerfed are a lot less impactful than reddit and some of the community make it out to be. you just cant take the same 2 masteries on every build and call it defense

[@vix99]

the new vaal bow skill had my attention already so this is great ! thx Cap o7

[@andrewcollins3950]

I already wanted to do ice shot from the video, really appreciate the tech!

[@Doominated69]

Hey, thank you for nothing this interaction specifically. From what I understand from reading the patch notes (they confuse me a little) Tornado shot projectiles will no longer fire secondary projectiles both when the return starts and when it ends on you. It is only gonna trigger when the projectiles have actually returned to you. It is still a decent damage increase but i am not sure if it is actually that big a change, maybe I am wrong on this however, I would appreciate your feedback.

[@esaesaeesaesa]

This is definitely the league to come up with your own wacky build. Already crazy interactions found and we don't even have the weapon skill trees datamined!

[@TenaciousDealer]

Yeah I'm looking forward to this so much, I didn't play a bow build last league so planning on starting bows and transitioning into a Voltaxic LA setup and trying to farm a good crucible upgrade tree. Love the look of the new league.

[@paulsaalfeld9844]

What bow skill do you plan on playing? :)

[@Tripleyou]

Normalizing Return was the highlight of the patch notes for me. Vengeant Cascade gang!

[@Croonerr]

Thx for the video i am hyped and waiting your bow build atm 😬

[@PublicNemesis]

yes yes ice shot builds incoming? pausechamp

[@n8doggy733]

Sab Vaal Ice Shot, Asenath Mark and Trgger Bots

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

@@n8doggy733 ah pass on that

[@Arcticun]

If I hadn't already decided on a Spellslinger, I absolutely would've decided to go bow. But honestly, Sabo EoW/Ice Spear spell slinger feels like it will be absolutely nuts. Throw in Heatshiver and the new ele mastery that has a 25% chance to invert the monsters resistances and you should be able to get hits that are something like 12 TIMES damage if you've frozen the enemy and assuming the enemy has 75% res. Getting double -75% res on a Heatshiver build in general will be absolutely nuts and I'm sure there are better/bigger chunk damage builds more suited for it, but I'm excited.

[@NathanielKuros]

Real quick, this is just a math thing, so maybe I'm wrong. But if you're banking on 75% res becoming -75, 25% of the time. That means 75% of the time you're also dealing 1/4 the damage you could be doing 75% of the time. This equals an average of 3.2x damage overall. If enemies have no resistances then it's lower damage. So you genuinely have to hope they have resistances :/ And... I mean. If you just have two curses with avatar of fire you're lowering enemy resistances -65/70% resistances based on how much you're building into curses. that's "full damage" on any enemies that HAVE resistances, and like 6 on all other ones because it's not inconsistent.

[@Arcticun]

@@NathanielKuros Of course it's not consistant, that's where 3x 6 Ice Spear proj and 3x 8 EoW projectiles come into play. 25% is a large enough number to where it won't be uncommon to trigger it several times in a row. It's absolutely more catered towards a nuke/stars align type deal but it's intrinsically counter-synergistic with Exposure or Pen as it is. Plus, any and all higher tier maps and pinnacle bosses will have resistances and it allows me to just care about putting up Snipers Mark.

[@unikstar]

vengeant cascade work on totems? =) thinking about ballista deadeye build this league.

[@LittleRedRubberDuck]

Im very tempted to go for a pathfinder as my league starter, but having the option to go into a bow build will be great. I never tried a bow character on no budget, and it seems like this might be the league to make it work :D

[@Ilyak1986]

Lance, you big bozo. You missed a big MCLARGEHUGE wheel. There's a new wheel called Excess Sustenance right at the supreme ego dex node that says 5 LGoH/5 LGoH/15% chance for 200 LGoH. That means that with the zillion and one projectiles that Tshot craps out, this thing becomes "40 LGoH, no questions asked". Makes me think that a poison Tshot Pathfinder with darkscorn may be something really juicy, since that will allow you to potentially be very tanky (sustain progenesis), have some terrific clear, apply withers like crazy because of all the projectiles you throw off, and just grind down hard fights because you become effectively immune short of something like uber slams, and even *those* might be able to be tanked depending on how much recoup you have. But yeah, 40 LGoH + Tornado shot + easy access to more arrows = holy moly?

[@0Ceress0]

Question: If I hit the boss with Frost blades, will this make the damage like this: melee hit+7 (or more) returning projectiles? (if I stay close enough)

[@konaga3510]

its additional proj, so melee hit +8 and +2 from alt quality, and also you can get multishot for +1 (11 proj total) and adrenaline tech too. If this is true, easy 12 times dps from just melee hit dps.

[@0Ceress0]

@@konaga3510 sadly, it's trash. Only 1 projectile/skill/return damages, and frostblades projectiles don't have an end of flight so they wont return at all.

[@Kelsera3252]

Are we positive that all bow attacks can hit enemies twice with vengeant cascade? I thought it would only work in some cases, for attacks like kb or la that have extra explosions around targets they hit. What about non-bow attacks like frost blades / sst? Also, what about interactions with sniper's mark?

[@kittiesgomad]

Yeah I'm also wondering how it would work with snipers mark

[@AlienFromBeyond]

It should work exactly as Nimis does with Sniper's Mark, because it's fundamentally the exact same mechanic (other than only being for attacks instead of all projectiles). The ground targeted projectile change for return means Caustic Arrow and Vaal Burning Arrow will no longer "shotgun" when abused with split, but Shattering Steel, Ice Shot, and Kinetic Blast should all still work. Considering Ice Shot is getting a vaal skill that looks very good I fully expect it to dominate the meta eventually, but Kinetic Blast might beat it out at the ultra high-end.

[@TheCaner135]

Mad scientist looks happy more than ever, this league will give us a looot of bangers lol

[@seanmcgrady8688]

"Bow League" is a funny way of saying "Righteous Fire League."

[@MyNameIsSalo]

righteous fire league for the first 8hrs then respec something else maybe. But i see no reason to stick with RF beyond yellow maps, its dmg scaling still sucks even with fire trap.

[@seanmcgrady8688]

@@MyNameIsSalo tbh, I don't like having more than ~3-5 million damage. It makes the game too easy. RF can hit those numbers. I'm happy with relative immortality & that damage.

[@anthonylowe8819]

As a major bow enjoyer I’m so excited right now!

[@PWARGaming]

My favorite build was my tshot lightning warp build in sanctum for super high speed and vomit inducing screen movement think I wanna go for that again and this update feels like a perfect start! interested in vaal iceshot too. after that I finally wanna make a big coc/cwc build with shadows new ascendency

[@striker987]

Do tornado shot work with vengeant cascade?

[@oskartu12]

@@striker987 kinda hard to say from their wording, imma test it on league start proabably

[@Navveo]

OMG You just made my choice for a league starter so easy THANKS! SST sounds awesome now

[@fazzi4924]

+2 proj on he tree is nice but it comes at the cost of a lot of % damage that used to be on the master fletcher wheel.

[@Cyclopsided]

Blood and sand does not work on left click, u gotta put it to a button like space bar. You can shift left click but that doesn't work if u hold left click either

[@kyllonorkesdigas-mas8481]

i'm planing a ice shot deadeye build as a league start , and i can't wait to see how it will performs for lvling or bosses !

[@paratush]

I was torn between RF Jugg (pohx guide) and trying out lightning arrow (likely fuzzy's leveling with ROA), this vid has me convinced on a bow start. I have done RF a ton of times already and maybe this is the league to try bows for a change. Thanks again my mad scientist guy! ;)

[@kusa4441]

lance video convincing someone NOT to start RF 🤨

[@paratush]

​@@kusa4441 right? I never thought I would see that day, but here we are. Maybe I should include the traitor flask tech in my bow build, so I am not straying too far away from the correct path.

[@paratush]

@SabioSabugo check out fuzzy duck, he has some good leveling videos. I tried his roa pob with lightning arrow and storm rain totems instead, and that carried me fine on my test runs on ssf sanctum. With better access to additional arrows, I can only imagine it being even easier to scale LA or switch to tornado shot. Biggest advice would be to essence craft bow/quiver as much as possible so you have enough added damage throughout the campaign and white/yellow maps.

[@paratush]

@SabioSabugo tbh I don't have a fixed strategy, I usually just play whatever I find fun at the moment. I mostly play casually so not really trying to rush anything or hit any # of challenges. Last league I got a few lucky drops I sold for a few divs, made a few divs from sanctum, sold harvest juice for a few and then managed to flip a few things, overall made like 25-30 divs which was enough to run most builds for pinnacles (not ubers). I was thinking of trying blight farming this league. From what I gathered ele bows are cheap to craft now or worst case buy for a few divs. Rest of the gear can be mix of uniques (hyri's etc) and some resist/life/suppress rares. That would easily carry to reds.

[@Xsia1]

left click blood and sand doesn’t actually work like that afaik, it doesn’t actually change your stance.

[@Deaner3D]

make sure "attack without moving" is checked - it works.

[@athaulfberinger582]

after activating the innitial bs buff the effect is running. whenever you "recast" it and the actual cooldown is up ,ou ll switch into the other stance

[@fate0521]

I was already pumped to see how my elehit starter will do with the Widowhail bow, but I hadn't even read through the patch notes to see the projectile returning change. I don't recall if anyone has tested tornado+pierce+vengeant cascade. If a bunch of piercing projectiles get fired into tornado and it chases down a single mob, would they all return to the travel path of the tornado?

[@turbanheadless]

Wonder how the snipe helm will perform with the returning proj notable

[@Rawlingm]

I am gonna league start bow for sure, because they are my favorite archetype in the game, but now you can actually level with them. Just as a test, in std, I used my forbidden jewels (endless munitions) at level 22 I think, to simulate the new "+2 to proj nodes from the tree" and using raider to level it feels absolutely amazing. I am personally gonna go raider I think but deadeye now is probably even more nutty, having +4 projectiles without any damage reduction is so friggin insane The forbideen jewels for endless munitions are going to be worth so damn much lol

[@aberwood]

I'm excited for my barrage totem build. Easy +2 on passive and then crucible skill tree will have +1 I'm sure. That's 3 extra projectiles this league, and the barrage gem attack time is fixed (unlike the support) no matter the number of proj. It's gonna be like a gattling gun lol.

[@father2191]

Hey nice vid. Maybe you could give us some of your nice guides like what to pay attention to, what ascendency when going bow. Cheers

[@Kumoii]

Any chance you might make a Ice Shot build guide? I've always been interested in Ice Shot over Tornado Shot/Lightning Arrow etc. But due to the Voidfletcher nerf/changes. Ice Shot kinda got cucked. And I would honestly love to make a Ice Shot build. Especially since last league, due to making a CB Champ, I've practically fully embraced the mapping only meta 🤣

[@ihavegotnoidea]

You can literally hotswap LA for Iceshot and it‘s gonna do roughly the same thing in all triple ele applications.

[@Kumoii]

@@ihavegotnoidea That's the thing, I don't like Lightning Arrow at all or Tornado Shot. Late into Sanctum I decided to try out Grim's LA/Ballista Totems & fuckin' hated it Lol

[@Kumoii]

I also don't like Lightning Arrow because of the damage ranges. You either deal 9 damage or you deal a fuck ton. I want a guaranteed damage not " Maybe good, maybe shit " kinda damage. And I know, LA isn't technically shit. But you get what I mean Lol

[@MyNameIsSalo]

ice shot build is literality the exact same as TS/LA. Nothing changes. Just gem swap and some minor passives on tree.

[@Kumoii]

@@MyNameIsSalo I know that... I LITERALLY just don't like those skills. Do I need to say that a 3rd time or? Lol

[@TheRoblock]

I wonder if trigger bot saboteur with bows is something

[@Scaradora]

This is going to be great with the saviour as the proj also returns to them as well making it way less clunky as it is now when you include all of your pierce and chains additonals.

[@n8doggy733]

Im gonna go Vaal Ice Shot an use asenath mark with the trigger bts

[@MyNameIsSalo]

bow has been good league start for awhile in trade leagues, artillery ballista fucking claps for single target, and clearspeed was never an issue. Rain of arrows carries early game but you get additional proj so early that you can justify ice shot/LA very early once artillery ballista is linked up and you have your vaal skills after cruel lab. TS still wants helm enchant to feel good though. Lots of DoT bow build options too for those who want something less squishy than a glass cannon deadeye. Almost went bow league start last league but EK ignite won by a tiny amount, bow definitely wins this time though. Probably going ice shot at cruel lab and staying ice shot forever. It's such a satisifying skill and don't need the headache which is TS helm enchants.

[@tsariguzel]

when I saw the changes, I thought the same way about bow leauge start :) Eventhough in past I was a huge fan of necro-summoner and chieftain-melee

[@MrMeltJr]

Definitely starting with a bow build, can't decide if I want to do Ele Hit or Ice Shot.

[@Xsia1]

doesn’t the vengeant cascade change make KB/PS wander great again? I played your int stacking deadeye back in scourge and it was super fun

[@CaptainLance9]

yep, hence i have and wands too in the title :)

[@TheSilverwing999]

Vengeant cascade only works on attack projectiles though. Feels like a lot of people miss that part

[@TheSilverwing999]

@@CaptainLance9 Vengeant cascade only works on attack projectiles, not spells as far as I can tell

[@natankanitz7969]

@@TheSilverwing999 KB and PS are both attack gems

[@lifeloverNorris]

I wonder if you can get Occupying force from Deadeye and have all 3 mirage archers shoot and return all arrows to you, that is like totally insane if it works as I imagine

[@diddykangable]

wonder how it works with vaal ice shot

[@Skilez]

man this is glorious! now im torn between absolution innocence summoner or actually league starting with a wander! those reworked wands paired with THIS!?!?! my god this league will be crazy...i feel it in my bones man!

[@blitzgaming5051]

The new unique bow will be insane for bow dot builds! Especially Toxic Rain and Vaal Caustic Arrow

[@CaptainLance9]

dont forget something like EK ignite, => that bow represents 100% gain as extra / 200 life / 15 frenzy on hits + 100% proj speed / + one other suffix for example.

[@andrewdnistriansky3719]

Not really sure since you can get only about 50 multi on a quiver but on a bow you get like 50 multi, 70 increase and +3 to skills which is massive

[@praetorianmk-ii4522]

@@andrewdnistriansky3719 interestingly enough, this bow doesn't specify explicit modifiers from a quiver, but just "bonuses gained from equipped quivers". They removed synth implicit with +1 arrow, but there is still a +1 arrow corruption, so that might be just +6 arrows from the quiver, which alone is quite cool for something like toxic rain. On a quiver you can have up to 50% increase and 51% multi, from a bow you'll get ~112% increase and 114% multi on top of that - more than a bow will do. Of course getting +1 arrow corruption on a perfect quiver is not very realistic, but even without the corruption lets say its a Broadhead base, thats 10% (aka 32% with a bow) increased Attack Speed, 160% damage increase, 160% dot multi and +3 arrows, plus potentially up to 320 flat life, huge resist from the last suffix (or maybe its 16% -> 52% increased attack speed for even more spam?), maybe you'll even manage to get some utility from the last prefix there (Hunter's 10% -> 32% movement speed, Elder's 15% -> 48% inc aoe?). I think it has the potential, even if 225% they've shown are the max possible roll. Oh, and as for levels, there is definitely still some options to get some from amulet / chest, so it needs some testing still to see how good/bad this bow might be:)

[@marcosdheleno]

@@CaptainLance9 its 255% INCREASED, doesnt that mean, on top of its original bonus? so it ends up as 355% effect?

[@aciarduce]

@@marcosdheleno Yes

[@dakotacouch5642]

Sabo phys dot spellslinger/ poets pen seems like it'll be a ton of fun for mapping.

[@Ergdoelloos]

I'm really curious about the new prismatic burst thing, if this works how I think it i'll work, is that it's going to be ment as an early game substitute for cast on crit. Which might make leveling as one of those builds feel really decent.

[@CaptainLance9]

definitely sounds interesting, but need to know the numbers to see if itll be good or not, probably gonna plan on trying it out for my intial act 1 until i get to RF

[@williamkouadio7581]

hey yall, i started poe 2 days ago ans i really enjoyed it. I wonder if there is a discord to talk about thoose bow build because i really enjoyed it, and dont understand nthg rn.

[@wackygoose1]

I really cant fucking wait. I got end league depression. Nothing gives me the satisfaction PoE does :(

[@WesternHypernormalization]

Not going to lie, I'm eyeballing the new Lightpoacher. Seems like it could be sleeper good. Didn't even consider Vengant Cascade no longer being poop with the new return changes.

[@pr4zaVIDZ]

LA Raider into TS Deadeye is probably what I'm going with. But I'm also very interested in reworked Pathfinder and I see crazy potential for an Assassin CoC build later in the league, taking the new 30% CDR sabo node with Flesh & Flame to reach higher breakpoints easily.

[@MrDruchemFTW]

Do you have a guide you can refer me to? I've mostly decided that the main character I want to play this league late game is TS Deadeye and I hate leveling multiple characters, so I'm looking for some ranger league starter that I can transition into TS later.

[@ivonbeton4725]

So what you are saying is that your arrows will return to you no matter what? They won't disappear when they hit the wall as they usually do? So you would just need one pierce then. I'm hoping that's how it works. Still, more of a "midgame" goal though, considering it costs two golden oils. You won't throw that just on any amulet. Regardless, I'm excited!

[@falkon9626]

well im looking forward with that bow leaguestart pob

[@freaktheman]

I've been thinking about going Bleed Bow route (maybe Gladiator, maybe Deadeye with Rupture, not sure) mostly because of Snipe Gem. This makes me even more tempted to do so lol

[@LilithTrill]

Its definitely viable, glad is a clear beast with bleedsplosions, not sure if deadeye is great as iirc rupture sucks

[@Majindro]

a 4 link snipe setup in gloves with Faster Attack, +2 socketed projectile gems, IAS and some PDOT multiplier would make an insane 6 link boss killing gloves. So many of the higher end bosses have easy enough phases to preload a max stage snipe. And by dedicating them to a pair of glove,s you can just swap out the gloves for a map clearing setup when not bossing.

[@LilithTrill]

@@Majindro For a budget you could go +2 proj (and +1 aoe if your skill uses it) and the dot multi essence

[@mikkelborby]

i will say when it comes to league starting bows, rain of arrows is actually really effective after you clear the first act boss. just upgrade your bow from time to time and you're rolling. throw some ballistas of some sort in as well and even better. and i very much speak from experience as a noob who for some reason plays 10-15 builds a league despite not being super good at the game.

[@Kelsera3252]

It's also very easy to path over to point blank / precise technique and abuse steel skills early, since they are always point blank range. Then just spec into bows later when you get things like gmp

[@boy80401]

@@Kelsera3252 steel skills are getting nerfed pretty badly for leveling

[@niuage]

RoA is great yea but it's too bad that it doesnt benefit from either the +x projs and the return mechanic lol

[@MyNameIsSalo]

@@niuage its just for leveling, roa deadeye/raider can do 5hrs into white maps/merc lab comfortablly. You can swap once you have cruel lab for +2 proj, 2 proj on tree, and vaal ice shot/LA, probably ends up better than roa at that point

[@TimberlyPL]

is there any chance that you would look into some kind of vaal ice shot build?

[@101dimsum2]

Hey lance! How do u think about ur slayer lighnting arrow 3.18 for this league? I know that there has been several nerfs on defensive techniques u used before but with new nodes, it seems stronger early game

[@giorgosdiamantis85]

Keen on trying ur SST jugg build for league start, would Vengeant Cascade work great with that as well?

[@mrbronzebar5488]

how would lightning arrow interact with hydrosphere and tornado if one goes with vengeant cascade tech?

[@stefanbohm2867]

Yes I am excited to start with bow never done ice shot hope it is good

[@luantib]

I really hope wands are at least ok because I love the "small piece of wood goes sparkle machine gun burr" gameplay

[@MyNameIsSalo]

int stacker wand has been top tier build for awhile, it's just stupid expensive and not league start friendly. I'm sure you could league start with a trinity support wand build using piscators or essence crafted rare wand, to eventually transition into int stacker, if you know what youre doing. First few acts gonna be rough if you level with wands though.

[@Billychandra89]

Say, has anyone think of any build for the new manaforged arrow support?

[@brandonkruse6412]

I’m playing Hydrosphere on Occultist in 3.21 and will probably have no problems clearing endgame lol. The power creep will be unreal

[@tomaszjakis4568]

Hi, CaptainLance9 - could u please advice what bow starter build will be best for average sc solo player ?

[@kidzesty6303]

Vengeant cascade change is fking crazy, honestly still holding my breath until patchnotes.

[@kidzesty6303]

it was a mandatory anoint while having to place and hit hydrosphere, now it’s better in every way including better than a 30div unique.

[@c4tv122]

have you heard of the numlock tech where it used to toggle something for you by itself?

[@uberhuber7903]

shot in the dark, i might play with my brother and hes really good. hes doing a chaos bow build and im trying to come up with something to do but hes always better than me. any new builds that look promising? Can i use the pierce projectiles on wands?

[@3zhay]

Man I was thinking holy relic start but now I have to think about bows too.

[@Soymeatz]

Honestly I just ignore the subreddit and doom/gloom. I'm super excited to give the new bow changes a go and extremely excited to also give Subtractems fire trap elementalist a spin. Crucible looks really fun to me shrug.

[@Shogun192]

hey man , this might sound stupid but im just curious if it can work even in the slightest, the new unique bow that has 200% inc to quivers mods, would that increase the socket numbers on maloneys mechanism? and if so would the new sabo with 30% cdr and trigger bots be able to do some interesting stuff?

[@seana5754]

Very sweet of you to make videos from your insane asylum suite.

[@iguanaATTACK]

I will still play dex stacking balista for the 8 time but i will try the new bow just to see if i can a just 4 or 5 balista with big dps if not iron commander with 22

[@uy9572]

How do you change your tree to see thew new changes? mine still displays old stuff.

[@LikeACrouton]

I haven't played Lightning Arrow league start in like 10 years. I'm ready.

[@ATurtlePuncher]

I have always enjoyed bow builds but now the question lies... which skill to start with. Do I just run CA/TR because I know its ability to progress easily or do I go one of the new Vaal skills and see what they are about? I've always been a sucker for ice arrow NGL. It's really tempting to start there.

[@xDBoomer]

Let be honest its still DOT meta. Melee got a impale bleed buff but its still not going to stack up against CF Reap builds. Good to see bows get some love but I feel like this will be used more effectively on spells that have projectiles. CoC builds are going to have a field day with this change.

[@jamessawyer8801]

Vaal lightning arrow yes? Love how it looks and will feel probably

[@xanrilteneb7673]

Breach changes look phenomenal as well as a bunch of of the abyss changes

[@TheQoogle]

i really would like to start bow and change into a lowlife dissolution of the flesh doomfletch build later, but i feel league starting bows is kinda forced into balista and wilmas shenanigans.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

forced into ballistas for single target dps support, yes. Not wilmas, that's a different build entirely. Just having a 6L ballista alongside your normal clearing skill is sufficient

[@TheQoogle]

@@MyNameIsSalo yeah been looking into it probably just LA + Artillery Ballista and swap to LA ballista once you get vengence cascade

[@vindictivepigeon2586]

I have not played bow builds in a long time though I was thinking of doing a smite champ but have been heavily considering a bow build, any suggestions for league start?

[@RedDragonFlayer]

Well now what do I do Lightning arrow or fire conversion Reap

[@jurgenmaier4335]

my POB does not have the new tree yet and it isnt finding update ...

[@Afridqvist]

So it sounds good, but don't you want to go chain with most bow skills? Wouldn't pierce kinda ruin the clear of those skills?