Bow Players Must Use This | Throne and Liberty

[@7orgetmenot]

finally a new bow staff guide from the hair god himself

[@user-dg9kw3jp5d]

Get off your knees G

[@bizneschopczyk3180]

thanks! i was waiting exactly for this video with new rotation!

[@ralmslb]

Thing to note regarding the example clips, this approach is always good, however, it gets amplified by crossbow users (from experience) as they hit very often, and in Whelps party, there are 3 crossbows.

[@nocomment4u]

0:55 I am not an expert ,but I am using bow/daggers and have concluded spending 7 points for zephyrs nock cooldown is not worth it .The spell has what? 5-4 sec cd? i havent noticed any crazy difference like almost resetting after hitting bullseye stacks,seems like you getting a 2-3 sec reduction .That should be a 3 point imo come on

[@MrProbstandrew]

i dont use nocks cdr.. i dont think most do either..

[@LastLordTime]

Cause that is supposed to be used when u do strafingx2->nock strafing->nock; If u do 3 straging->nock like he does in the video nock spec is wasted

[@Qbikk]

another tip if u arent a full bow party as in vid: if u got mark with bullseye specialization (assuming u dont cast it twice) on a target up, the cdr spezialization on nock and decently high attackspeed and if ur cdr isnt high enough also the cd spell up u can do strafe > nock > strafe > random skill or 2 > nock > strafe > another skill or 2 > nock. without high attackspeed/cdr u might can only get out 2 nocks per strafe cd. also when casting fireball barrage try chaining it with either the manareg spell or blessing or both as u will proc alot more the staff passive of those manaball eruptions(about 50% with just blessing), for lance u have to cast blessing before casting lance (with bombardment spec)

[@herbermonteirodutradeolive2924]

Whelps u the best ! thanks for share the TL content for mages :`)

[@pauliusbaltas]

We go with 1 bow and stack xbows, that way your CDs just disappear, cuz of many hits of xbow. Tho never thought about Blitz on marker, gonna try it today.

[@ninj1stic208]

Thank you. Could we get a PvP Guide please? For small scale like arena and large scale.

[@batich3865]

Would love to see a PvP skill video from you ❤

[@petkovfilms8264]

What about Passive ?

[@Grungni]

That was very informative,thanks!

[@drkk9]

ditto on the rotation. double marker high focus rotation is life for all

[@biggusshrimpus9156]

yo whelps, do you have a rotation,build,specialization, passives for bow/xbow?

[@true.is.around]

ty 4 ur work EU.

[@Dynatos-99]

pretty fresh bow/staff here and using a maxrol basic build. Does this work better with limited lower gear as well?

[@Quickstepz-OG]

Thank god you come out with this video after the buffs and nerfs. 😂 See this getting patched asap.. I can’t get in parties. People only taking 3800 bow players 😂

[@Tom67Slick]

If I'm using the new rotation and my cooldowns are still bad, that means I'm in bad party? Would the old rotation have been better in that case? How can I tell which one will be better before I start the boss fight?

[@NS-ih3yr]

What about flash wa? good for damage and healing? So we can get more chance for drops iteam if we make damage and heal in same time ?

[@Insane-1704]

What passives are you using in this build? i am struggling as a newer player for a great PVE Dungeon build and then AOE builds. so any help would be amazing

[@AnhNgo-m6i]

Have you try vigor stone in arena pvp yet? I cant use it since I upgrade to it. Is this a bug?

[@Skunkboy95]

What passives do you use?

[@juanluisfernandez1447]

For secret dungeons, is this rotation better than the previous one? thankss you

[@Whelps]

nah this is when you are in party

[@hahabamay]

can you do a PVP rotation vid?

[@elguerrero363]

will they ever fix skill bugs? like shadow strike not teleporting? does this happend in korea too?

[@ribi3384]

would you still consider the skill setup when using belandir staff (inferno wave applys more burn so higher chance to the effect to proc)?

[@Whelps]

The proc is not important for single target dps, you could use infernal over zephyr tho maybe

[@andrecosta7515]

Whelps, imagine i go a random dungeon with randoms players and im the only Bow of the Party.. this still be better than the rotation of the last video

[@creeziii9649]

Will u make spear dagger video ?

[@lesdoleague]

I am on tier 1 global and wanted to know If I should be saving guild tokens, ornate tokens and how much blessing I need to stack for traits on my tier 1 items so I can level up stuff on my teir 2 items.

[@badassMars]

I'm sorry but i think you are missing one key detail which includes passive skills. and may you also add in the item details?

[@quacduong325]

I'm using xbow/bow, is it better for me to use blitz for deadly marker or for wild barrage since I also have selfless diffusion to lower the cooldown?

[@Whelps]

blitz the deadly marker you wanna have higher uptime on your selfless which is more dps

[@quacduong325]

@@Whelps thank you, time for new rotations learning

[@zethcv]

Just an improvement: not worth it to use the blessing in the middle of the rotation, by the time you use all the skills the marker is gone and thoses last skills wont benefit from it. better to use only damage skills while marker is on. lave the blessing for last since it lasts longer and the whirlpool will still be available for the next rotation.

[@joewj2568]

With tavent bow spam strafe isit better?

[@aprilgodvivi6776]

So ise this in groups even if im the only bow/staff?

[@xzeraCS]

u can yeah

[@GetFight]

hi, are there builds for wow staff on gate of infinity solo?

[@jinxan1808]

I never touched a bow before so this is pretty interesting to know!

[@alexanderanghel7946]

Would you like to touch my bow? It's fully upgraded.

[@DillonKing-o4f]

Would you do anything different with a Bella staff?

[@Whelps]

probably not but you could replace zephyr with infernal if you want

[@Tom67Slick]

What scenario is the old rotation better than the new one? If there are only one or two bow users is the old rotation better? Why we didn't get this rotation first now we have to level ice spear and blitz :(

[@TheEgoShooterer]

Skill conversion books. Also, Inferno wave is still best for AoE opposed to ice spear. Also also, we'll get more skill growth books with upcoming winter seasonal.

[@Keyshawn13]

If you've been playing you should've been leveling them anyways, especially blitz for pvp flash waves

[@Tom67Slick]

​@@Keyshawn13 I'm pve only player

[@Tom67Slick]

​​@@TheEgoShooterer is it worth using conversion book on flash wave to blitz? But I like using flash wave on mob parts of dungeons and open world dungeon, also do we even need to level blitz?

[@Fuz2yman]

@@Tom67Slick you should be able to decide for yourself... if you find that the blitz cooldown is too long lvl it up, ez

[@Gojo.07]

Whelps please do a gs/spear pvp build you are the only one i trust 🙏

[@eazyqt8937]

What Passives you use ?

[@thefishingfinatic]

Thx for sharing!

[@nowgame1]

is there any passive change ?

[@Whelps]

no

[@mizeraklid]

no need to take any spec for marker?

[@freeguy3376]

Would it not be better to remove the burst specialisation off off focused fireball and put the hit chance specialisation on deadly marker

[@Whelps]

no

[@OnceCLE]

You don't need hit for pve as far as t2 that we know of

[@freeguy3376]

@@Whelps how come as bosses don't have mobs so what's the point of burst?

[@freeguy3376]

@@OnceCLE I've missed hits on pve before

[@idgafunk3611]

It blows my mind that people have not been using blitz once the beginning

[@magnofab]

@Whelps Is it valid even if I am the only bow in the party?

[@Whelps]

probably not unless you are bow/wand

[@khalidct4160]

@@Whelpsi tried this build but it really doesnt work with pugs as they suck doing or sometimes not doing deadly at all , hopefully more people watch the v ideo cuz its so painful rn

[@mcdonamw]

Why waste 5 pts on JL with Damage Transfer? That doesn't do anything extra to a single target, does it?

[@Whelps]

It's left over points

[@mcdonamw]

@Whelps ah. Thx. Another question: Why ice shard over sniping? The latter hits like a truck. Is it the charge?

[@Oxigan2win]

The devs all must be bow player. There is no other explanation really.... first came Flash Wave meta in PvP, now comes the Deadly Marker in PvE... what the hell is going on with these devs.

[@mylesmiller5979]

Without both those abilities bow would be F tier,personally i hope flashwave is changed/gutted in favor of buffing bow small scale/single target

[@rodrigoruiz976]

How would an only bow rotation look like?

[@BloodHorn67]

ty !

[@maddyyyCf]

please can you do pvp rotation or how to play staff/bow in arena and tyy !!

[@Ecool27]

If u need to add more heals what power do u replace?

[@brettlewis2900]

You replace your healer lol.. You are a dps and this set up is for min max groups.

[@Ecool27]

@ nah I mean like if the healer dies at like 30ish percent and u tryna clutch it up

[@Tom67Slick]

Does this still work with the global Blitz cooldown of 60s at lvl 5? Why in this video your blitz cooldown is 45s? Edit: sorry I noobed 😭

[@narisa9162]

blitz has cd specialization lol

[@duudedustin]

Why you put Bow in first place instead of the Staff?

[@fntxy831]

Crit dmg passive

[@duudedustin]

@fntxy831 Is Toublek Staff not better for the Extra Hit?

[@BYTRS46]

@@duudedustinweapons mastery far better than just the weapon skill , you will know it if you reach late game

[@dirtgrid5351]

It doesn't matter which weapon you put first when your spamming skills. It only matter if you're auto attacking or have weapon out standing/running. So it's mainly just preference.

[@mgvikings1484]

is sniping skill useless i any case ?

[@xAztros]

When do we get 4 more skill usage slots?

[@xAztros]

@ilias4082 where we can use 16skills?

[@rodrigoruiz976]

How do I find a group for dimensional trial? I don’t see a find button like for dungeons.

[@another-wildflower]

You can't que like regular dungeons. You have to join a group in and it's only from your server, I believe.

[@rodrigoruiz976]

@ you mean like manually forming a group?

[@another-wildflower]

@@rodrigoruiz976 yes

[@captainbrazuca8301]

At 3:38 when you say now won’t you have a look at my cooldown. I don’t see no difference. You can tell by how blitz cd is ticking. It’s not ticking any faster. What am I missing?

[@captainbrazuca8301]

So blitz doesn’t work. But all the others do. Why is that?

[@LastLordTime]

@@captainbrazuca8301 the skill itself says it is unaffected by cd reduction

[@captainbrazuca8301]

@@LastLordTime Ty. Not home so first skill I wanted to see if we were able to have cdr, but did not know it was like that. Thanks for pointing it out and that explains why

[@duudedustin]

Why is your casting time 0,5s for fireball?

[@alonzobanks7046]

attack speed

[@selenicqt]

attack speed reduces casting time, this is also on KR so more geared so attack speed is probably higher

[@nahuelgallego4276]

what if I used Staff/Boiw?

[@77metin2]

using burning smokescreen with the first two specializations to look for bellandir is not feasible?

[@Whelps]

no the bellandir is not for single target dps just let it proc from meteor or fire bomb, you want the skills to hit hard

[@AleksyMarkiewicz]

nice passive skills :P can you show them ?

[@Whelps]

questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/WinnerOfTheVictory?build-id=163371

[@Rudeuslul]

They’re 100% nerfing this

[@higguma]

Pray to God. It makes playing any other build pointless- gets you kicked from party.

[@Sleepycatsss]

letsgo!

[@brettlewis2900]

@thewhelps so with this change and since cool downs are so fast now should we not even bother with cdr on gear/masteries and focus more towards dmg/atk speed/etc? I feel like with this new rotation the gear could be reworked some for the current t1 bis set

[@Whelps]

it's not like CD clashes with traits like atk speed or anything, if it's available you take it, it still helps with base CD anyway, for PvE gear of course

[@Fatebringer]

Passives?

[@sory9494]

do another bow /staff build with RUNES lord, pls

[@Nirv2267]

Why blitz the mark when there is a specialization that adds another mark, genuine question?

[@StickySubstance]

He literally explained it in the video 😆

[@Nirv2267]

@StickySubstance Im stupid, type it here

[@tyrant3191]

the specialization adds an extra bullseye stack, not deadly marker. translations are bad, don't trust them. bullseye is what you get for using strafing.

[@biggusshrimpus9156]

he explained it

[@sren5746]

​@@tyrant3191 thank you. God . The bad translation is a major turnoff. Insanely hard to get detail mechanics right.

[@sren5746]

I suspect Whelps has high enough crit hit chance to proc cooldown reduction in the many hits. I'm strugling with the Bow passive Steady Aim. I'm trying to boost my crit chance via Steady aim. In theory it should proc when firing on bound or opressed targets. And ICE prison with Bound + Icy Mire should give me targets proccing steady aim for 15 secs. It should even work on bosses since targets immune to Bind should instead be opressed. BUT Translation is so bad and its hard to really test on the dummies. I have a feeling that steady aim mechanics actually only works with ensnaring arrow. Also the reason Whelps is sidestepping SteadyAim which in conceptually from other games is a powerfull skill. Can anybody confirm?

[@TheKamadzU]

except player in global still sucks most of the time, so we kinda need to have flashwaves to heal other player in random coop 😂. i always play on random coop that's why there is nothing I can do about it, 90% of the time I use flashwaves only for teammates never really for myself unfortunately

[@wishlistdestoroyah8245]

can u make a video for bow spear thx :D

[@Ooopsiiful]

been doing this since i got to level 50.

[@rafaellopes5106]

Que videos bons parece até que estou na universidade, pois gosto de estudar. Parabens de verdade. Filhote

[@ooe5905]

Can we get a bow/crossbow guide pve

[@andrecosta7515]

Hello Whelps, in your questlog in this skill build you have staff first, this rotation is for staff first weapon? By the way i think this sometimes bugs.. i was in a world boss, i put 2 deadly marker and others put more 3, and the cooldown still the same xd

[@LegatoC]

good explanation for why wand dps is griefing

[@YLazeY]

Average Carrot Enjoyer

[@HexNinja-Boi]

Did u try Mark + Brutal Arrow (Full specialization) Both are same cd if know how to play correctly

[@OnceCLE]

2 mark overall is better as it's for the whole party meanwhile brutal arrow is only foryourself and I don't mean about the CDR but the amount of hits you would be doing with brutal arrow compared to 6 people hitting with 2 markers

[@brettlewis2900]

Why would i want brutal arrow spam when i could spam meteor/fb/etc all with full buff uptime and buffing regen/cdr for the party more as well? Brutal arrow base dmg way too low to compare to giving up all that + the constant burn stacks add up a lot and boost your heavy atk from passives.. I hardly ever see anyone use brutal arrow cuz it's kind of meme build

[@ronniekoomba922]

Always great information and guides on how to better your playstyle and gameplay while also keeping it simple and to the point. I'm sorry but, Kannon is overrated and makes his viewpoint to aggressive. He is always on edge when he speaks and puts the viewer in an anxious state with overwhelming information. Love ya bro

[@nomlakz]

it doesnt say natures blessing doubles gale stack

[@Whelps]

it's the whirlpool

[@maverickrahming531]

I dropped my deadly marker cause it does not apply to BOSSES

[@AzzKesil]

what?

[@Rasyaboy2018]

Bug and will be fix

[@pumpkinhead5383]

I agree. The deadly mark shouldn't stack or you'll see all the dps playing with bows. This is all in guild war, there are only people who use flash wave until it becomes Throne and flaswave.

[@higguma]

Game already off most people's systems. They had a year in Korea to figure this out but chose to just jerk the bow off.

[@simpleyt3458]

ive already copied this from you since you post island terror guide haha

[@starproxx7144]

I've seen so many bows in t20+ dungeons that dont even use blitz, straight up trolling, can't believe this was not a known thing, common sense

[@Rudeuslul]

Why are you doing T20s with randos 😂😂

[@starproxx7144]

@@Rudeuslul Cause my guild and alliance are "pvp" players and hate pve. But at the same time they are playing path of exile 2, funny Also at least these randoms know the mechs at least so i'll take it i guess

[@senolis100]

that skin is disgusting

[@Carros_PT]

The problem is when the healer is bad we need to have healing touch

[@Layla-f8g3m]

this is what I've been having issues with, I can't get rid of my healing touch.

[@bldzeraa]

wow nice promoting gatekeeping

[@Gameboy-wb1rp]

ngl, guild wars 2 is 10x better than this noob p2w game

[@supplement420]

This game is so broken...i would feel ashamed working as a dev on this project. The abillity to pretty much endlessly stack debuffs is so early 2000s...the whole game feels like its made with A.I.

[@LegendRonk]

Made no sense

[@Oxigan2win]

@@LegendRonk nice AI answer

[@LegendRonk]

@@Oxigan2win oh yeah, totally AI... Imagine thinking AI was prevalent back in the early 2000s...

[@yunsha9986]

Why not blitz nature's blessing? If party gets max cdr uptime, that's way more damage than 2 shitty deadly markers.

[@brettlewis2900]

Party gets max cdr uptime because of 2x marks that are enabled from blitzing the markers.. Blitz on the natues blessing would be pointless. It's only slightly buffing the strafe/zeph combo and we already have plenty of mana regen from 4 natures blessings going off in the group. Also inner peace is still used so any of the staff users (who chew thru mana the quickest) can be back to full in one quick nb/ip combo. All of these abilities can basicly be spammed while having max uptime on our buffs as well.. This all works from blitzing markers. (The whole point of showcasing this video 😂)

[@jordamn8352]

what passives are you using?

[@Whelps]

questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/WinnerOfTheVictory?build-id=163371