Bow Shooting Tips - How to Shoot two Times Better | Bowhunting Whitetails w/ Bill Winke

[@Mo75149-j]

I had target panic terribly. I switched to the EZ V sight and it changed everything for me. Framing the vitals in the open sight picture helped me a ton. No more panic. More meat in the freezer and memories on the walls.

[@bill-winke]

Good advice. Thanks MD. Have a great day.

[@specag31]

Jordan is a great role model. Hopefully more females will take up hunting and help save the tradition. Bill is a great mentor.

[@bill-winke]

We appreciate the comment and the support. We hope that Jordan's continued presence on the show will attract young girls (and women) to the sport. We are seeing that already from people we meet at shows and just out in public. Have a great day.

[@stevenmarod6191]

Nice to hear robins singing! Great reminders even for an old guy who's been hunting a long time!

[@bill-winke]

Spring is on the way! The fundamentals are the most important part of any successful action. If you get good enough at the fundamentals, everything else pretty much takes care of itself. Have a great day.

[@shaneallison3370]

Great references for each tip. You can actually tell In the clips from when Jordan started shooting to the most recent clip of her shooting that she has definitely applied and learned. Great episode 🏹🦌🇺🇸 thanks Jordan and Bill

[@bill-winke]

Definitely. She has gotten a lot better. She is naturally athletic so that helps, but she is also a good student. Thanks for the comment.

[@kevinfowler6065]

Geez J is a rock on release! Well done

[@bill-winke]

She is really solid. As I mentioned, I think that single trait was the thing that saved her season. But, she is going to have to learn to create a surprise release. When you do that, the follow-through is never quite so rock-solid, but you still need to try to keep the bow on target to the extent that is possible when you aren't timing it. Thanks for the comment.

[@CDP151]

Kudos to you Jordan. Picking it up so close to the season and putting in the work to be a good shot is impressive. Good timing of this video. This is the time of year when beginners should be putting in practice time and really getting proficient with their bow. Or to make changes to their equipment. So when opening day comes you’ll be ready.

[@bill-winke]

That is so right. The off-season is the time for fixing anything that is not perfect so you have time to get used to the change. Even changing sights or peep diameter takes a lot of time to get used to. Good luck and thanks for the input.

[@calhiser8265]

I noticed that practice was standing as opposed to being seated in the blind. Love that you're on target during the draw. Good luck.

[@bill-winke]

Cal, thanks for the comment and the support. Jordan practiced both ways. Seated for shots out the corner window and standing for shots out the horizontal front window. Have a great day.

[@WilliamAM43]

Great episode! I must admit I was leery Jordan starting so late but she did an amazing job, kudos to her. She brought some very good points for any experience level hunter, practice in situations like you will hunt. Confidence and comfort of mind are big factors to help make that perfect shot.

[@bill-winke]

William, yes she did good. By the end she was shooting small groups at 20 yards. Was fun to see. She is athletic and that helps because the bow was easy for her to handle after a couple of weeks. Have a great day.

[@stevenschmidt5712]

You mentioned “floating the pin” on the target here. That helped me immensely back in the day when you and John Dudley did a shooting info session. Until then my shooting was very inconsistent. As long as you focus on a spot (aim small miss small) while floating the pin as you squeeze through the shot, accuracy is greatly improved. I thank you both for that. Perfect practice makes perfect but now I need a red dot sight because I can’t see my pins very well anymore. Always something...more $$ cha ching.

[@bill-winke]

I am with you on eye-sight. I struggle to see my pins now and have opted for the sight light (lighted pins). That really helps me in almost every situation. Have a great day.

[@ericbowhunter]

Great beginner’s information guys!

[@bill-winke]

Thanks Eric. I appreciate the support. Have a great day.

[@missionman4539]

Wingspan divided by 2.5 will get you pretty darn close on draw length . I actually miss the hunting videos from last fall. Was always looking on KZbin to see if there was a new one up when I got in from the woods :-) God bless and looking forward to next fall and everything in between.

[@bill-winke]

My method worked well for me in the past, but for some reason I sure messed it up in Jordan's case. The bow she ended up getting was maxed out on module adjustment and she was still at least an inch short of ideal, so we had to wait until after the season to send it back to Hoyt for different cams, different strings, different limbs and different modules. It should be much better now. Have a great day.

[@gregbunn4642]

Very good video. Enjoyed it alot.

[@bill-winke]

Thanks Greg. Much appreciated.

[@White_devil1980]

Great tips on how to get better results 😊👍

[@bill-winke]

Thanks Mister Ed. Have a great day.

[@watsonthomas8674]

getting a back tension release to shoot in the off-season helped me get that “almost surprise yourself shot” feeing jordan was talking about

[@bill-winke]

Yes, that has been my training aid of choice over the years too. I will be using the B3 Ranger this year. b3archery.com/product/ranger/ We will post a video on using one of these in the coming weeks. Good input. Thanks for the support.

[@doitdoitright5916]

One mistake I made was not testing for eye dominance when I purchased a bow for my oldest son when he was young. The problem didn’t show up until 20 yards, his groups really started to open up. Checked everything twice including his form. Then it hit me, his mother (my wife) and her father are right handed but left eye dominant. I switched him over to a left handed bow and we never looked back, he’s an excellent shot.

[@bill-winke]

Very good point. Thanks for the input. Have a great season.

[@mitchellgenz1373]

Solid advice, great tips for new bow hunters and veterans alike. Stick to the basics.

[@bill-winke]

Thanks Mitchell. I have played a lot of sports in my life and in the end, I finally realized that there are no secrets to success - just keep focused on the basics and master them. The old saying that if you take care of the small stuff, the big stuff will take care of itself definitely applies to archery too.

[@MichiganGreatOutdoors]

how come your not choosing to use a d loop? Having that nock point with the release directly under it creates pinch and can negatively effect accuracy. I used to not use a d loop and when I decided to add one I saw an immediate increase in accuracy and consistency in my arrow flight. Just curios. Thanks!!! Keep the uploads coming!

[@bill-winke]

I do use a D-Loop now, but I always attached directly to the string because with whitetail hunting, shot timing is usually more important than hair-splitting accuracy. I can connect to the string very quickly without looking down. I can't do that with the loop. The loop is just one more thing I have to get right during the moment of truth. I am always looking for the simplest possible system. Also, attaching to the string maximizes power stroke so you get the most possible stored energy in the bow when drawing it. I do think I will stick with the loop, but I never had a problem with accuracy or tuning when attaching directly to the string. I tied a knot of loop cord on the string under the arrow. That was the cushion between the release and the arrow nock. I also wrapped the serving in the point where the release contacted. Both of those factors seemed to smooth things out and keep the release from pinching too much. Thanks for the comment and the support. Have a great day.

[@midwesternoutdoorsandnatur8272]

Good tips! Recording yourself with a phone and tripod on slow mo is revealing as well.

[@bill-winke]

Good point. I think watching your bow hand throughout the shot (what it does - snap shut, stay relaxed, etc.) is something really worth noting. You can learn a lot about a person's shooting by just watching their bow hand. Have a great day.

[@edwardclark5211]

Dream Big brother 🙏

[@brianrobinson7972]

Another awesome video sometimes I just respond to just help out your channel

[@bill-winke]

I appreciate that Brian. It definitely helps. I hope you have a great day.

[@allentodd5436]

Its pretty good to practice for one month and still kill 2 nice deer. I think my first year I was running off my bow shop guys shooting advice and some youtube vids. I ended up taking 2 nice does by the end of the season. Keep up the great vids!👍💪

[@bill-winke]

It took me at least a month to get decent with a bow when I started my second time. My first time was when I was 14 and I just shot instinctively with a Bear Whitetail Hunter and 1918 arrows! I was OK to about 15 yards. That lasted about four years until I went off to college. Then, after I graduated and took my first job in Michigan, I started again and bought a High Country Trophy Hunter (I think) bow and shot a release aid. I did get some advice from the archery shop guys and I shot an indoor winter league, so that was really good for me. It takes time, but it pays to get off on the right foot so you have fewer bad habits to break later. Thanks for the comment.

[@allentodd5436]

@@bill-winke Wow 1918 arrows? Were they carbon? Lol I have a similar story a guy I bassed fished with got me started and I hunted with a PSE Nova. The first time I shot at a deer was at 25 yards and somehow I put it behind the shoulder (with a fixed blade) had good blood and complete pass through but never found the deer. I was pretty disappointed I ended up having a falling out with the guy who got me started and I didnt hunt for 8 years. Started watching Seek One in Atlanta (where im from) and Midwest Whitetail (no joke) really wanted to try bowhunting again and be successful. Thanks for taking the time to answer Bill it means alot take care!💪👍

[@kevindonahue7355]

Just got a hoyt torrex I don't no if it is set up right could really use some help shops around here aren't much help

[@bill-winke]

You can ask questions here and I think our viewers (or myself) can help you. I also did this video on setting up Jordan's bow. I would probably not attach release to the string at first but use a nocking loop instead for starters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5yykmiiatqNicU

[@randyrhoads7681]

Practice Practice Practice. it comes down to muscle memory in time. low poundage to start for beginners so you can shoot alot is best , work your way out for yardage in time, i here a lot of up an comers going to the crossbow . Reason i here most is no need to practice like shooting a compound Good to see you shooting the vertical bow . nothing better in my opinion !!!

[@bill-winke]

I love the fact that you have to draw it and hold the vertical bow while aiming it. Crossbows aren't the same as vertical bows. I never condemn anyone who is using a legal method, but I want to keep it challenging for my own purposes. If I was good enough with traditional archery equipment, that is what I would use. Someday I am sure I will switch over. Have a great day.

[@artbrennhofer8283]

Great video. I am wondering what was going through Jordan's mind when she was at full draw with a deer in front of her.

[@bill-winke]

That is a good question. I will ask her. She has actually shot a number of deer and turkeys with a gun so I think that buck fever wasn't over the top, but she definitely kept her cool. Maybe she is just a natural - some people are.

[@timbow50]

One thing I try to new shooters to do is use one pin until they have achieved a decent level of form and consistency. On a multi pin dropping all the pins other than the top one. Less confusing and it’s easier to know where that pin was when it fired. 👍👍

[@bill-winke]

Very good point. For sure, Jordan was not going to take a shot past 20 yards so those other pins served no purpose. Maybe this year she will practice at 30 to make 20 seem easier, but I doubt she shoots past 20 even this year. Thanks for the input.

[@timbow50]

@@bill-winke another thing I like to get newbies to do it make a one dot target about 5” diameter. Sometimes too many dots can be distracting as their trying to pick only one out of the cluster.

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@timbow50 Are you an instructor?

[@timbow50]

@@russelllangworthy8855 no, I only started with a recurve in 1963. Just tried about everything there is

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@timbow50 You and I must be about the same age. I started with a longbow in 1963.

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

On my way to Iowa ....🙂

[@bill-winke]

Drives safe.

[@russelllangworthy8855]

For the Deer Classic?

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

@@russelllangworthy8855yes.. plus looking to buy a farm

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@jerimahjohnson8698 Good luck with that. Do you already know of a place for sale or will you just look around once you’re there?

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

@@russelllangworthy8855 no I already know of a few that look good. Talked to a wp guy yesterday here and was a good first meet. I used to own here before so I know a little bit coming here. Also looked in Illinois and Missouri. I visited my ole Illinois stomping grounds and nothing has changed. Trying to keep it on the DL opsec as I don't trust people till my name's on the contract. Illinois laws have changed over the last 10 years and I'm hearing stuff that the quality is lacking compared too was it once was??? Nothing is cheap and I know there's nothing better than boots on the ground. I was even told about bills old Iowa farm being up for sale and then later told it's now under contract. It's wild this place is like a time capsule nothing much changed. I been gone for a long time and own in Ohio now. Now I'm older not in good a shape so my hunting strategy will employ box blinds food afternoon hunts and key late season food.

[@johnlindsay8630]

Good girl🎉

[@bill-winke]

Thanks for the support John.

[@user-rm4xm3sz3b]

Great article. Can you comment on using wrong pin in stressful situations. I have problems with that. With bows being so fast and pins close together and not shooting at long distances. Can you comment on using 1 pin. Thanks

[@bill-winke]

I do think one pin is a good idea for a lot of people. In that case, I would set it for 25 yards. That will get in the kill zone on a whitetail for any distance from 15 to 30 yards. You will have to hold a few inches low on shots under 15 yards. That would be a good strategy. Good question. Have a great day.

[@StevenSmith-7t391]

Is there any concern of spooking deer by having scent from practice arrows out there? In that one month time, how many hours do you think Jordan spent practicing? Good information for beginners.

[@bill-winke]

I think the real issue is the scent you leave when you go get the arrows after the hunt. I don't think the arrows themselves were enough to spook a buck, but again, we saw so few deer that it is hard to say. Never saw that as a negative factor in the corn plot when there were a few deer out there feeding. But, I do think the ground scent could be a problem. Definitely a tradeoff. We tried to shoot them, mostly, in the directions that we would be going when we left the stand, but not always. She probably practiced about 10 minutes every day, roughly. Not tons of arrows. She would have gotten better faster if she had shot more arrows each day. But if you have to choose between lots of arrows or fewer really good ones, always select the quality over quantity. I think after you get your strength and basic form, it is all about making 10 to 15 really good shots in each session. Much more than that (at least for me) I start to get lazy and sloppy. Good questions.

[@WilliamAM43]

I have had deer actually smell practice arrows I’ve shot with no concern. I do wipe them down with no scent wipe but I agree with Bill, the bigger issue might be ground scent. I usually shoot to an off side myself but many years bow hunting and feel a practice arrow is still a must for me.

[@jcassell111]

Gotta relax that grip a little. Death grip will induce a lot of torque.

[@scottglew9641]

Start out no sights and shoot a hinge dong worry where the arrow goes dont worry about aiming trust the float

[@bill-winke]

Yes, that is really good advice. Completely reprograms your central nervous system. Thanks for the comment.

[@russelllangworthy8855]

Has Jordan ever met Abby Steiner?

[@bill-winke]

Nope. But we have watched her run a couple times. Very impressive.

[@mikemellon80]

torqueing the bow hand is so big. just practice shooting with small amounts of torque right and left. it will change impact and arrow flight in very big ways. Do not torque your bow with squeezing your bow hand too hard

[@bill-winke]

Even if all you do is tense your hand and don't try to apply torque, the arrow flight and accuracy will suffer. The bow hand is your main link to the bow. You can spoil the shot with the way you hold the release at full draw, but not nearly as easily as you can with a faulty bow hand. Good point.