Boxing vs Wing Chun - can wing chun handle the jab?

[@mjb7015]

It's so great to see someone finally using wing chun chisao the way it's meant to be used. Most of the wing chun people you see online seem to practice chisao as an isolated drill and they don't seem to use the concepts of chisao in sparring. This is fantastic, and it's how we use chisao in sparring and self defence at my school.

[@brucekai7462]

💯💯Herein lies the problem!! 99% of Wing chun out in the world think chi sao is the be all end all and don’t realize PEOPLE DONT FIGHT LIKE THAT 🤣🤣🤣 Use it as a tool to help in the close range reality situations you might face.

[@tatiustate]

⁠​⁠@@brucekai7462Interesting stats. You happen to know the percentage of people that BJJ and don’t realize that people don’t actually fight by just rolling on the ground? Or perhaps MMA folks that don’t know that the streets don’t fight with gloves and judges? Not taking shots at anyone here, I just genuinely find it interesting how people come up with such generalizations and hard stats about something that’s been studied and analyzed for literal decades. By all means, its probably better than worse for a martial art to be questioned so people aren’t blindly following everything the guy that takes your money tells you. That being said, is it any better to base your perception on some KZbin videos of a handful of jackasses who got a little over their head and found themselves getting rocked on camera or perhaps look at the bigger picture and consider finding out who the guy in the this very video trains with, or trained under, and then perhaps who trained them, and who did they train with and so on? I think that would bring provide a better analysis to further judge a style or system as a whole because as handsome and as well versed as the man is in this video, I guarantee you he didn’t just revolutionize the Wing Chun by putting out some videos. And again, I don’t mean anythjng negative about any of the that, I’m just sayin some things that were on my mind. Like people used to IDOLIZE Kung Fu but ever since the pendulum has swung there is some how and army of dudes that weren’t even alive when Kung Fu was hot on the block talkin about how it ain’t ever been shit as if some how people just evolved over thirty years to all of a sudden become hand to hand combat titans yet they train for sanctioned bouts in front of a referee and tons of sponsors. And power to them but how did that suddenly change legitimacy of their origins?

[@ISkandarash]

The fact that so many people in the traditional take an exercise for the combat itself explains why in ancient times a master chose his disciples scrupulously and in limited numbers. He didn't want some idiot to mislead his lineage.

[@beelzebootthecanadiandevil9600]

​​​@@tatiustate Wing Chun is Bullshido all the way up to the top. So ineffective. Total crap. I do get a kick of listening to them theorize all day and pretend like they know how how to fight. It's just embarrassing when their delusions compel them into competition. Every. Single. Time.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@beelzebootthecanadiandevil9600Funny how you say that, yet in the video, they just prpved how effective it is. So you’re delusional

[@Aniontedone]

Wing Chun is essentially stand-up grappling, emphasizing the importance of closing the gap and establishing contact. This is where the development of sensitivity skills becomes crucial.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes it’s a very specific skill set

[@MYVLMA]

What can I say. Again a great experience and fun time with you my friend! I really enjoy and appreciate our exchanges. God bless you!

[@inside_fighting]

It’s always an honor learning from you 🙏🏼

[@FuryoTokkosho]

I am sure mike tyson is still searching for youtubers to do exhibition fights

[@FuryoTokkosho]

By the way tyson has a youtube channel too, why not say hi mike to him

[@inside_fighting]

@@FuryoTokkosho I would like to say hi to Mike.

[@MYVLMA]

@@inside_fighting me too

[@urbanxselfdefensesystemsby2076]

I love the fact the channel is about teaching principles over techniques, it’s so much in this thanks for sharing this

[@inside_fighting]

Appreciate that. I always found that to be the best way to learn

[@archangel98632]

My experience with this concept is as an FMA practicioner vs HEMA, specifically Espada y Daga vs Destreza Rapier and Dagger. I never realized how my more squared-stance as an escrimador made me move differently, and yes, there are lots of other factors of bladed weapons vs empty hands, as well as plus/minus of theoretical exposing more target areas, but the movements and mindsets are VERY similar in this exchange. Thank you for continuing to demonstrate the openness to learning from each other, all for mutual growth!

[@RollinBoy]

Back when I was kickboxing in Europe I knew a Savate guy that kicked with his toes (Savate usually use shoes) and it was shocking how painful Savate kicks are, THEY HURT. He dropped one of our guys with a round house kick, that was technically blocked, but he was aiming with his toes to go around the block into the liver.

[@inside_fighting]

It is truly an amazing skill to toe kick as crazy as that sounds lol it really hurts just like you said. Shockingly painful and almost impossible to stop

[@teovu5557]

Check out uechi Ryu toe kicks.....brutal

[@jw-vx8im]

Very underrated savate

[@LunaticReason]

People dismiss other martial arts like Wing chun when they make a direct comparison to Boxing or MMA and when they try to make it work as such it doesnt work. and dismiss them as useless. Its great that Milos shows how the structure and mechanics actually functions. Something I never considered myself was how it handled distance differently and bridges the gap but once shown it makes sense. There can be more than one way of approaching things. I find people are often too myopic when it comes to martial arts. An airplane and a Helicopter have different structures and mechanics but both fly but an airplane pilot wouldnt necessarily be able to make a Helicopter work without the proper training. Doesnt make the Helicopter useless.

[@inside_fighting]

Well put. I used to be one of those guys tbh and this channel allowed me to experience a lot of different styles and gain an appreciation for them so I’m thankful for that.

[@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst]

@@inside_fighting Respect. That means you are an honest man. A wise man told me, "when an honest man discovers he is wrong, either he stops being wrong or he stops being honest."

[@Bonsai-Sage]

​@@inside_fightingAmerica thinks wing Chun is fake because it's not really here. China doesn't mind that white people think it's fake because it's still theirs. France and England know it's real because they invaded and even occupied China. USA didn't. The states treat king fu like soccer. Same thing with Tai chi. Americans think it's just a dance because they didn't create it. But it's deadly once you get it

[@Wise-Fool97]

World’s Finest at it again! This was actually the video I wanted to see! I had this problem occur when I was just using my WC in a playful sparring manner with my MMA coach. Watching this video I see everything I did wrong! Guro Ilan’s explanation and adaptability from Sifu Miloš teaching off the jab especially off a real boxer / or combat striking experience. - I’d love to see more breakdowns like this especially maybe some sparring Esq breakdowns, maybe off the double leg takedown, or wrestling movements or mma movements. Good example I can think of is the classic jab cross to double leg. Or just the heavy outside fighting footwork of a boxer. Sifu Miloš truly is the only martial artist I’ve seen kinda not chain punch like the classic WC guys but actually adapts and moves differently than the classic WC guys jsut chain blasting in. Love to see the Worlds Finest at it again

[@raccoonmyroom6861]

Lots of gems in this video. Awesome stuff!

[@bojanbandulaja]

The more I look at you guys the art and style of both of you I like more 🤩. Very realistic, tried and tested ...100%legit💪🙏👋✌️God bless you guys

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you 🙏🏼 really glad you enjoy the videos. Milos is the real deal. God bless

[@johnl2648]

I really like the small window of striking+handfighting blend that Wing Chun and other styles emphasize, though it seems tricky but so satisfying when it works

[@Kane-ez]

When you realize what works for you thats when these martial arts really open up , we all have diffrent gifts and strengths, and of course our weaknesses, thank you for your great work i always learn so much still at 51 , i feel better than ever.

[@derrick_smitty]

This video just randomly popped up, very good content. When you can actually fight regardless of what system you are in, you can analyze other systems intelligently and I can tell you are a legitimate fighter and martial artist. thanks for posting.

[@martialgeeks]

3:00 that kind of Leg placement is such an overlooked element in a lot of striking arts, we do it in Judo and Ju-jitsu, but it's also more common in maybe shuai jiao, so aside from eating the space it's chi gerk from which grappling can flow, pair that with relentless wing chun strikes and you're golden! 💥

[@inside_fighting]

It really takes away someone’s ability to counter

[@martialgeeks]

@@inside_fighting right! And it's the same thing with an outside leg placement, like Zabit used to do and even Jones did last night, the sneaky "o soto gari" type thing that's hard to see

[@inside_fighting]

@ zabit is the king of it. Jones said he just saw it in the moment which makes it even more impressive

[@martialgeeks]

@@inside_fighting Jones and his IQ moments ⚡

[@thebaneking4787]

My favorite channel. Thank you for your content.

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks brother

[@theinnerg6196]

This is an excellent video

[@davep2323]

Mate! I found your page because of the Tyson Fight reaction, as I have zero history/experinece with Martial Arts (although I have followed boxing for 35+ years) Anyway, I'm a music producer and love your little jingle hahaha! I'm going to make some music for that for you! It's totally up to you if you want to use it, but I'm hearing a proper 80's hair metal vibe, lol! Will be in touch bro! Keep up the good work! P.S., not looking for any payment or promotion rubbish, just found your jingle fun, haha

[@inside_fighting]

You rock brother. I’m super excited to hear it! 🙏🏼 I’ll definitely share it on the channel. Glad you found the videos

[@gw1357]

As soon as I saw the title, I knew this was going to be the lesson -- follow it back in, get in to trapping range.

[@inside_fighting]

Milos is awesome. Always has a good take on movement

[@martialgeeks]

The Dynamic Duo is Back!!! 🔥

[@inside_fighting]

We filmed a bunch of stuff 🙏🏼 back in action. I missed training with him

[@martialgeeks]

@@inside_fighting 🔥💥💪

[@Wise-Fool97]

Worlds Finest! 🌍 🥊

[@MYVLMA]

@@inside_fightinglikewise my friend! It’s always a pleasure!

[@gaylonmcdowell3823]

Your content is consistently excellent.

[@inside_fighting]

Appreciate that

[@dannish2000]

Great video as alway bro! ❤ many thanks again! ❤

[@inside_fighting]

My pleasure brother

[@johnnathan2149]

Impressive ideas!!!!!!!!! Thnk you Sifu Milos!!! We will work on them!

[@alexanderren1097]

Great video! I practice Karate not Wing Chun but our concept of “hikite” or “pulling hand” has many similar principles. I’ll be saving this to help me with Kata bunkai.

[@seechunchong9876]

Excellent explanation and demonstration.

[@inside_fighting]

Much appreciate

[@alexanderren1097]

Beautiful! This is REAL push hands!!!

[@wiezumteufel9024]

It would be very interesting to see that in (light) sparring! This would make an awesome video!

[@inside_fighting]

We will do it once my shoulder heals

[@siciliandefence3416]

I appreciate the detailed review of different systems by experts. I look forward to seeing what kind of experience you gain and become over time. Thanks as always Elon.

[@EliteBlackSash]

“Never stand on ceremony” is rule #1 they tell you Day 1. Standing on ceremony = Standing posing with your hand out. Or Standing flat footed in a “stance.” A hand position is not the same as a guard and a stance is not the same as footwork. It’s any arts responsibility to give you tools and principles, it’s your responsibility to make them come ALIVE. When I was a kid in the 80s most of the guys who gravitated to Wing Chun, and made it look cool to us kids were Military, Law Enforcement, Bouncers, etc, no nonsense kind of guys who put it all on the floor. Badasses. They weren’t chain punching and posing. Their mentality was like one hit one kill. They made Wing Chun popular for the right reasons. Whereas, the Ip Man movie made it popular for all the wrong reasons. The baddest mofo I ever met though had a blend of Muay Thai and Wing Chun. That’s a golden combination right there. The Muay Thai Long and Mid Range, with the Wing Chun sticking flow into the Thai Plum / Wooden Dummy is some scary violent shxt. Lol.

[@MbisonBalrog]

To be proactive with WC, you have to clinch up the opponent. As your opponent is locked up, you can chain punch them. As your opponent tries to punch his way out, you can chisao them. As they wind up for hooks, lock him up again and repeat.

[@junichiroyamashita]

Feels like a standing up striking version of BJJ. Run to clinch to bring them to your domain, and beat them with experience. The domain here being stand up clinching.

[@amospizzey1]

@@junichiroyamashita exactly this

[@maxhensley1685]

re: why guys in MMA aren't learning to do toe kicks- It takes a long time to pay off, but it's also super painful. I've known a couple traditional martial artists who've done this sort of conditioning for fingers or toes, but a lot of others, really tough, fit guys, who said they gave up on it because it was just so grueling. It's also not something you can usually see a payoff for in ordinary competition, or everyday life. Most of the time, people wear shoes, and you can't make use of finger conditioning like that in MMA gloves, so that one's out. You could do toe conditioning in MMA rules, but if people actually started gouging out other people's calves and thighs with their toes, they might ban toe kicks as well. I have a hard time seeing it having a long term payoff for a competitive career investment. Hurts like hell to get hit with though.

[@walterwelander9113]

Kikuno kind of uses a toe front kick. He digs it in just under the ribs.

[@inside_fighting]

@@maxhensley1685 yes i figured the shoe things diminished the value tremendously

[@paparadeliko]

its becoming more and more popular. the reason they dont do it is there are other techniques that are safer and more high percentage and many more skills to cover. hence less time to focus on these type of kicks. but i like them and use them a lot

[@johndough8115]

MMA gloves tend to be fingerless... SO, you actually Can throw finger strikes with them on. The main problem, is that competitions have likely Banned the use of them.. and for good reason. Even a light finger strike to the Eye, can cause an insane amount of pain and tears... and potentially a cornea Injury... especially if their fingernails scratch / slice / dig into the surface. Toe stabbing kicks are fantastic, and Ive used them in my Wing Chun, as they follow the same principle as Finger Strikes. You need to develop strong toes, to perform them... Via Kicking wall mounted Sandbags, doing slow raises + lowering exercises, and tip-toe ballerina walking. Conditioning the fingers, is not that much different. Start by tapping them on a hard surface, like a desk. Slow and light...and gradually increasing speed and power. Some artists have carried around a small metal / wooden block around, to Tap on... all throughout the day. Finger strikes into a wall mounted sandbag, are also necessary. You can also spread your fingers into a bear claw shape, and impact them all, on the same vertical level, at impact. For tiger claw training, they also Add one more thing. On impact, they Close their fingers, and Claw-Grab the target, yanking backwards on the way out. I heard that one schools test, was to nail a piece of carpet to a board. Between the Board and the Carpet, they placed a Garden Hose there... and to pass the test... you had to Tear through the carpet, and Yank out the Garden Hose. Finger Tip Pushups are also a good thing to practice. They also have these Spring Devices, called something like "Eagle Claw training devices". Each finger goes into a metal Loop... and each loop is attached to a spring.... that are all mounted to a large metal Circle. You simply Squeeze your fingers, to pull the springs... developing greater finger grip strength. Karate, (and likely Shaolin), used to grasp large, heavy, clay pots... with their finger tips... and carry them extended distances (or simply raise and lower them, without dropping them). Another method, were very Heavy Bean-Bags, thrown around to each other... and only caught by using your finger tips / claw grips. Having well conditioned Fists, is the most important of all... and most MMA / UFC fighters, dont even do that. They rely on gloves, and taped wrists. If they ever got into a real barefist fight... even a partial impact, would likely break their fists, and possibly even rolling / breaking their wrists. Also, there is no better target to hit, than a wall mounted sandbag... or an Iron-Palm Bag, on a heavy duty, waist high, table. Heavy bags dont even come close, to the same kind of impact forces, as a Sandbag, packed tightly.. full of Coarse Grain beach sand.

[@maxhensley1685]

@@johndough8115 MMA gloves expose the fingers, but tend to apply pressure curling them inwards, so they can be used to grab, or with a closed fist, but it's pretty limiting on finger strikes, although not necessarily rendering them impossible. I trained for a while with a Uechi Ryu instructor with impressive finger conditioning, who had once struck a student who tried to attack him by surprise in the chest with a finger strike, which tore the student's pectoral muscles. EMTs had to cut his shirt off him on arrival, and I got that account from several of his students who'd been around to witness it. Sufficiently conditioned fingers can be devastating even to body parts which aren't usually especially vulnerable. That said, very few traditional martial artists train them to this level, because it's so painful, takes so long to pay off, you'll probably never use it, and if you want that kind of force multiplier, you could buy a knife on day one.

[@ReeseRozum-sm1zs]

I learned a lot from this video

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Middle distance, full,martial art for a transitional space that exists for milliseconds before a clinch. It looks amazing but I have only seen it applied successfully in mma for a matter of seconds against the fence.

[@inside_fighting]

Wing chun most certainly is a transitional system which is what makes it hard and in my view historically supplemental but Milos very much has a close quarter approach when you train with him where he fights i the clinch

[@waderands8145]

Excellent teachers, both with awesome fighting intelligence. The kungfu guy is having too much fun. Props to the boxer for giving due credit to his guest.

[@inside_fighting]

Milos, the wing chun master, is a great friend and great fighter 🙏🏼

[@waderands8145]

​@inside_fighting I learned a little bit of Tiger Claw Kung fu about 30 years ago and what I remember most after a lifetime of learning some other styles and specifically having taken a liking to Tae Kwon do, is that my confidence grew exponentially after my very first lesson because of the positional stance and the open hands too. I recall my instructor mentioned one time that they were never invited to fight in mma style events because their advantage was ridiculous and their opponents would get pulverized.

[@huansitoaguilar9405]

Very interesting .

[@kunedoman]

All I can state is AWESOME!

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you!!

[@Aniontedone]

Make the opponent stick to you. Keep the attack by controlling and following him out while in contact and Staying tight.

[@2P2G5C]

As a chunner, I've been saying for a long time that the footwork in the forms assumes rang, and sucks for closing the gape. I've personally incorporated footwork from karate to close the gape. Notice Milos just WALKS forward instead of shuffling. Also, I hate half moon step in Jong. It's too slow. WC is all about stability but lacks mobility. But is an easy fix if open to it. But you have to be a martial artist more than a tradition preserver. Anyways, great vid. Your videos with Milos always get the ideas flowing

[@inside_fighting]

Glad you watched. It’s interesting because when Milos takes my space it definitely feels uncomfortable and makes me want to grapple more than strike

[@2P2G5C]

And that's why Chunners also need to practice the grappling aspect of the art 😉 Thanks for the great content

[@teovu5557]

Yeah sport karate entries are fast and effective as proven by lyoto machida and wonderboy etc

[@enderbykarate]

as in all things artistic, [visual and martial art] it is not the art that is successful but the artist.

[@Dark-Light_Ascendin]

My favorite team up

[@broenslee1981]

Awesome! ❤it

[@Spudcore]

Damn, that's effective.

[@tranquil_dude]

This seems to be an issue with many Taiji practitioners too. When they enter the "ring", they forget their Taiji and start mimicking (kick)boxing stances ... and then wonder why they fail to hold their own against (kick)boxers 😂, when all along the correct thing to do was to maintain Taiji principles, stick to the opponent, harness his/her force, close in, and deliver finisher, because that's what Taiji was designed to do (in a similar way to Wing Chun as demonstrated in this video)

[@inside_fighting]

I agree. People shouldn’t change their system to accommodate other systems

[@peezieforestem5078]

I notice that Ilon is not doing Wing Chun, he's doing his Rhino thing (5:06), yet it still works. So the lesson here is to jam the punches and effectively enter the clinch, and we know modern boxing basically does not deal with the clinch well.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes i adapt the principal to my way of moving. Thats correct but the principal is the same

[@Deathbystrudel]

Yes!

[@NickKano11]

I’d genuinely be interested to see what would happen if he were to step into the cage. Not because he’d get his ass kicked, but because I think we might finally see Wing Chun shown to be effective, and it might make people rethink their view on this martial art.

[@jw-vx8im]

I think Wing Chun is better for street encounters where there is little or no time for posturing

[@uriahcrawford8338]

if u wanna see effective wing chun watch Qi La La

[@felipeleeuwen]

Not to troll or anything, but I've seen these demos so many times. They all seem to work, but I'm still to see somebody actually make these Wing Chun techniques work in a match effectively and win.

[@ShinjitsuKK]

No one can handle Ilans jab 👊😂 Ps.. Brilliant video on the Tyson fight mate, you called the illness and he had massive medical going on 👍👍 This guy isn't the average wing chun guy 👍

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks brother hahaha yea was rough seeing Tyson like that. I saw he tweeted after i posted the vid that he almost died from the ulcer so it really does make sense.

[@redrenegade7724]

11:04 Yep, absolutely right.

[@johnbaptist7082]

That chin exposure though. 😮

[@inside_fighting]

It’s the wing chun way. They are upright. I’m always tucked. It’s part of the hard part for me in learning the system. The principals are all great though and adaptable to Rosie systems

[@Dark-Light_Ascendin]

Vlma is legit

[@inside_fighting]

@@Dark-Light_Ascendin absolutely. Also tougher than can be shown in a video. You gotta train with him to understand

[@Dark-Light_Ascendin]

@inside_fighting once I get caught up on bills, I plan on commin down to train w yall for a few days. Visit sum family while I'm at it.

[@Dark-Light_Ascendin]

@inside_fighting I been watching him ever since I first saw him on your show.

[@Pesquisando0b1011]

I think it's very stupid to underestimate any martial art style. Any martial art may have something that will make you a better fighter.

[@inside_fighting]

They all have aspects that are amazing if you have an open mind

[@rainfordandrews6930]

Great to see different perspectives, been cross training for over 25 years. One caveat, a lot of these tricks dont work on anything but direct attacks. If that lead jab turned into a lead hook/ overhand…,

[@kecskemetib]

I am not saying this can't work but I am skeptical until I see this pulled off at fight pace. I tell you why: I am usually the shorter guy fighting taller and younger guys (fighting in the amateurs). So I have to close the distance - it is very hard. I don't know if or when the jab is coming, but it is coming hard and fast. It is an absolute must to layer my defense, take the head off center, chin down, change levels, create offensive traffic etc. so if something doesn't work out as planned I still minimize the chance of getting hit. I constantly have to fight for position and try to out maneuver my opponent if I want any chance at getting into range. Going straight in as shown on the clip is a risky move, at least by my standards. If the position and the timing isn't perfect then you are standing there square with your chin up and are going to eat big punches. Boxing gloves are not the issue, catching the hand like this should be possible in gloves too, the reason we don't often see such things in boxing matches is because it's high risk and difficult to pull off. My assumption is that you can pull this off once or twice in light sparring if you can surprise your opponent, but only until they time you. And I see little chance for this to work at fight pace - but happy to be proven wrong and learn something.

[@TheBoneBrew]

Are you guys in South florida?

[@inside_fighting]

Yes we are

[@Bagoth2]

I wonder if that large closing distance movement is from the pole form. I think that what that last bit of conversation relates to the idea that everyone thinks all martial arts share the same level of difficulty. But thats not true. Just from a syllabus perspective, it doesn't take long to learn boxing or muai thai, maybe six months to have the body mechanics and tools feel natural. Things like karate or wing chun, the syllanus is larger with more tools which means its takes longer to learn and become natural. And especially with oakinawan and chinese arts the interesting thing is not im the technique. You can find and learn the technique everywhere, whats interesting is the tactics, energetics, and body conditioning which is very complex. For instance for wing chun power, you need to align your elbow, but you also need to pull your tail bone in so you make your back into a c, then as you punch or chop or palm, you spiral your left hand as you pulk it back. And you be able to do that wkthout thinking about it while making it so small that no one knows what you are doing.

[@erikmitchell6458]

Good insight for a boxer that is getting bum rushed. Or anyone. Close stuff the guard and strike hard … peek a boo style dirty style.

[@junichiroyamashita]

The other key to understanding WC may be Greco Roman wrestling. It feels like the Boxing of the Wrestling world.

[@martialgeeks]

@@junichiroyamashita I cannot state how much chi sao helps in stand up grappling, you can set up so many takedowns, defend so much just from tranining sensitivity like you do in wing chun

[@inside_fighting]

That’s a very unique way to put it

[@rojcewiczj]

"Boxing of the wrestling world" is a good way to express the essence of Kung Fu in general

[@martialgeeks]

@@rojcewiczj the coolest way to put it!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@FuryoTokkosho]

Did you already saw videos on pankration?

[@JaysonCrossComedy]

That range is not uncomfortable for boxers. That’s the infighting range

[@amospizzey1]

Free sparring please I really like the principles want to see it in action

[@inside_fighting]

Sure we can do some once my injuries heal

[@amospizzey1]

@ heal well brother . I came up in WC then kick-boxing/ boxing then Bjj now I’m old ( 57) I train mostly Bjj and MMA under the Gomes brothers . Bjj is in some ways “ full body Chi Sau “ and so much of WC makes sense in the clinch standing up so I’m always looking for real sparring footage where we can see it being effective . Love your work and I too see real value in cross training Thank you 🙏🏻

[@AreteAskesis]

@3:48 I’m gonna see if this helps my mma, since I’m primarily a judoka

[@Nimno74]

I can't wait for the day that someone with these kinds of skills decides to get into striking sports. Not just a little bit of this sensitivity and acuity, but someone who lives and breathes it. This is slowly becoming one of my favorite martial arts channels.

[@inside_fighting]

Appreciate that! I think any system in and of themselves is incomplete for mma but would be nice for someone to adopt these techniques and get great at them

[@alexanderren1097]

Wow that old master’s toe kick you describe sounds amazing. Unfortunately I suspect it’s the result of a LOT of hardcore body conditioning that probably can’t be achieved by most MMA fighters during the 20-35/40ish years old window that most MMA careers actually last. Also, I’m going to guess the training necessary to achieve that level of conditioning probably isn’t good for overall joint, ligament, and bone health.

[@bogwoppit792]

Unfortunately our system has been watered down to look like a really bad version of Kickboxing. It's good to see Milos sharing the important principles of WC. A lot follow blindy elsewhere unfortunately

[@inside_fighting]

Agreed it makes no sense to make wing chun in to a gloved sport system

[@uriahcrawford8338]

@@inside_fightingif u can’t fight with gloves then it cant be that effective. It’s one thing to be comfortable without gloves but if u can’t use it regardless of what’s on ur hands then u need to let it go. Mind you I do wing chun. Which is also why i don’t agree with using the stance you would use while drilling.

[@inside_fighting]

@ i actually think gloved fighting is vastly different than empty hand and they are both very disconnected. Gloved fighting does not necessarily represent real world encounters either.

[@uriahcrawford8338]

@@inside_fighting It’s honestly not that different you can’t really grab anything but it’s not too different, it only changes the range and speed of punches. You can do wing chun perfectly fine with gloves on.

[@adim00lah]

Wc is a system of clinch boxing essentially. Sticky hands are meant to be used in the clinch. But trying to stick to a boxers jab is damn near impossible, it's too fast. I would just parry the jab, and pre-emptively trap the other hand as a clinch entry.

[@vxsmokeyxv5540]

Dude i swear you were in the "Slasher" series

[@davidiz1980]

Good moves. Maybe one day if they create competitions like kung fu combat well find out how effective styles like wing chun really are.

[@inside_fighting]

It would be great if there was kung fu combat

[@davidiz1980]

@ maybe there will be one day

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

Yeh, no one is overextending their jab like that. If you're out of range, you're out of range. Everything you've said here is "If the opponent doesn't step into range, I can step into range."

[@inside_fighting]

Not at all. Your jab has to come out with intention to touch even as a rangefinder… you still extend it you just do it with intention to either continue closing in or backing out or circling… also he’s stepping in strongly. I recommend you come try. Are you far from Florida?

[@sebastianwegner1091]

The more important question is will wing chun survive a real sparring with a boxer.

[@inside_fighting]

Depends on the fighter. Milos can because he spars a lot but you lose a lot of sensitive when you put on big gloves

[@MartialArtUK]

This is nice mannered content, I like wing chun but get alot of flack for doing wing chun. Happy training everybody

[@Necroape]

Hi eli, was wondering if I could get your thoughts on shidokan karate?

[@inside_fighting]

I love shidokan. I have a kyokushin background so anything full contact i. The karate space whether kyokushin, enshin, ashihara, kudo, shidokan etc are styles that i have a strong liking for

[@Necroape]

@inside_fighting thanks for getting back to me, I come from a boxing background but watching your vids have really made want to venture out too karate. I don't know which one I would like to go for I've got ashihara school the same distance as the shidokan and kyokushin near mine. But when it comes to shidokan I can't really find too much information sadly

[@inside_fighting]

@ shidokan guys are good. I would try the schools near you and see what feels best from experience. Boxing and kyokushin is a bad ass mix for Stirling.

[@goncalomoreira1217]

Do you think one of the factors for wing chin s lack of success in sparring is that it wasn’t designed to be used with gloves?

[@inside_fighting]

100 percent

[@cocokofman459]

🤔I'm seeing quite a Bromance has developed with you pair

[@mduf26]

Nice lovebite :)

[@kungfujoe2136]

nicze!

[@ПавелПетрович-к2п]

Тнаnks ,very informative and realistic.But how to handle extremly rapid (explosive) jabs ,thrown by somе boxers ?

[@inside_fighting]

It’s very hard obviously. The trick i find that Milos does is that he does not wait for the jab and instead steps in right as he beleives i will throw anything. It cuts off the distance so i have no room to punch

[@jameswilsoncomedy444]

I use wingchunwhen boxing

[@Excene.]

constant broken toes is a good reason to not toe kick as a pro fighter.

[@inside_fighting]

Definitely hahaha but if properly conditioned, i think they can be devastating

[@lovelife1867]

absolutely np. now go to any circuit and prove it... no hate \

[@lovelife1867]

also , phillip bayer? test with them

[@inside_fighting]

It’s not intended to be used in a boxing match that’s the point.

[@lovelife1867]

@@inside_fighting why are we overcomplicating shit? punch is a punch is a punch. kick is a kick is a kick. compartmentalizing and choosing "the application" brought us nothing but mcdojos.

[@inside_fighting]

@@lovelife1867 I disagree. Combat sports and real world self defense are fundamentally different and require different tools. Especially for the average person. I don't punch often when teaching self defense. I use open hands and I drive in and shell up tight. When Im sparring for combat sports I don't do that.

[@lovelife1867]

@@inside_fighting I think all of the "teachers" created complexity on purpose , to make the programs more sellable. Snake oils have been here for centuries , gullible humans never left.

[@bilbobaggins4403]

Spar a boxer

[@darrenstettner5381]

But who throws only a jab. If you throw a one two he will walk right into an overhand right. I want to see it live or I think it’s just more mcdojo swill.

[@inside_fighting]

He is stepping in on the jab itself so the room (if i throw hard) is to plant and throw which u wouldn’t have space for

[@FuryoTokkosho]

What you said in myvlma video about wing chun and aikido go good together, i actually doubt it. Aikido is very circular, i think a lot of people tried to combine both for getting a better entry without success, maybe do a video about it with an aikido person? You do not seem to have serbian combat aikido in the usa

[@awreckingball]

What if the opponent is bigger and/or stronger?

[@therealdomi7747]

That's the thing about wing chun, it's not about force, but about structure. This is where your strength comes from.

[@inside_fighting]

The principals apply. Everything is harder when someone is bigger and stronger. I’m a bjj black belt and it’s harder against big strong people

[@wlphantom]

I dunno man, how would this work on a boxer that enters with feints.

[@dx5soundlabs939]

It works. There's always a counter for everything. The point here is that trapping styles can and do work if you train proper applications.

[@carlosschaafygarcia884]

It works even better because to feint he would simulate coming forward then he changes direction- let”s say to a hook - but your hand that wanted to receive his jab just continues forward and hits the mark befor the hook even is executed. Do it dozens of time each week. It is a little bit more difficult when the boxer also changes body position/ head level. I usually use a boy tze to check the hook and go back center mass after that.

[@carlosschaafygarcia884]

Edit: I do it dozens of time each week. Also: “biu tze”

[@LunaticReason]

Good question maybe they will answer that next. Its not always a linear answer or response.

[@carlosschaafygarcia884]

I answered that for them in an other video. You greet the feint - let´s say a jab to a hook - with a straight answer. If the jab is still there you meet and greet, if not you hit the directly the head because you don´t follow the hand, you still go straight to target. It is a little bit more complicated with a lot of boxer head movement, but you can manage with some practice.

[@ichigobankai2343]

If you want to know what really works put on some protection gear and actually spar with each other.

[@inside_fighting]

I spar all the time 🤷🏽‍♂️ that’s how i got my black belt in Bjj, competed in sambo as well, full contact stick fighting, bareknuckle fighting in Kyokushin and also Muay Thai. I’ve sparred with Milos

[@AreteAskesis]

It would have been nice to see Mike Tyson cover space

[@ricorod1mex]

Please some one tell him that he over uses the word “ yes”. Good stiff but the yes repeat is maddening

[@inside_fighting]

🙏🏼 it’s how i was raised in martial arts to say yes sir or osu… so it’s a habit

[@JaysonCrossComedy]

No disrespect but block a jab like that is begging for a left hook. Moving forward with your head on the center line is a recipe for disaster.

[@FuryoTokkosho]

If you go for the regular mma match, i am not sure if there is a payoff. The fight is usually very fast, people pretty soon hit with a takedown or pushed against the cage. And the conditioning for such hard styles as goju ryu or uechi ryu are not very popular, you are living in pain for years changing the density of bones and muscles, its worse than growth pain in your youth. Taking this for three years to ten years is for most people unbearable. Another thing is that mma guys are usually not educated people, japan is way higher in this regard even factory workers are usually pretty educated. With the conditioning it is pretty easy to destroy your body if you are not careful, people tend to go too hard in training and stuff and end up with not beeing able to grab anymore and worse

[@sportmuaythaiv1045]

Lol! In Thailand, no WC enthusiast dare face muaythai practitioners. WC has too many fatal flaws. WC is dying in Thailand.

[@darrenstettner5381]

But who throws only a jab. If you throw a one two he will walk right into an overhand right.

[@inside_fighting]

@@darrenstettner5381 no the space is cut off

[@darrenstettner5381]

@ nah man. You were just complying with the moves. Obviously that’s the respectful thing to do but you wouldn’t throw a single jab and then just stand stationary and do nothing with your arms/feet. Look @4:39 you just let him do the move. Again, you gotta let him demonstrate for making a video to showcase his technique. However, I don’t believe for a minute that it’s functional against a noncompliant opponent (particularly one who’s allowed to grapple). I trained wing chun as a kid. I practiced it for a couple years and then did some sparring with a boxer. The wing chun shit was useless against the boxer. Coulda been me. Coulda been the boxing gloves, but I think it’s just a fake martial art. If the guy supposedly does it live speed against resistive opponents, how come there’s no footage of anyone using wing chun successfully in a fight against a resisting opponent?

[@inside_fighting]

@ well as you says… you were a kid, trained a couple years, then went and tried to spar a boxer at their game using their rules and their gear… If you are ever in south Florida I’d recommend visiting Milos it’s a great experience. I had no dog in The fight.. I’m not a wing chun guy… I’m actually not even a boxer I’m a Muay Thai / kyokushin guy and black belt in bjj so I’m totally disconnected from proving anything in this specific situation. I think it has value

[@darrenstettner5381]

@ yeah but you need to be good/respectful to the guys appearing on your channel. I get you’re building a platform and trashing people’s schools won’t get you very many guest hosts. But you also have a duty to your viewers to give us objective analysis of different styles. I think in your heart of hearts you know that stuff wouldn’t really work and by and large kungfu is not an effective fighting style. That said, I do think that almost all martial arts can have some core principles that can be utilized effectively. They’re just not complete fighting systems. For instance, the sticky hands of wing chun does have some utility that could work for closing distance for grappling or other stuff. I think the hand trapping tactic can work as I’ve used effectively in sparring though the resulting strikes were pretty weak. I think if you pressure tested his techniques we both know they wouldn’t hold up well. Particularly not against your disciplines but I don’t think it would even work well against semi trained guys in more practical styles.

[@WalterCena-rj2hm]

I appreciate the effort, but I still don't like Wing Chun (and I'm far from being an MMA fanboy who hates traditional arts just because they're not used in an octagon). I think when it comes to trapping, other southern styles of Kung Fu such as Pak Mei, Tong Long or Hung Gar have much more interesting and effective techniques, tactics and structures than those of Wing Chun.

[@inside_fighting]

Everyone has systems that resonate with them more than others

[@WalterCena-rj2hm]

@inside_fighting 100% true

[@christabel2003]

It wouldn't work against a check hook. Too much weight forward. Guards too low.

[@inside_fighting]

In the chaos of a real fight some things work and don’t work but principals remain the same.

[@alexazuaje4780]

Coriously my kickboxing trainaner who also knows about kung fu, told me yesterday a story when once he defeated a boxer using kung fu

[@inside_fighting]

I wonder if he used some similar concepts of cutting off the space

[@teovu5557]

Kung Fu? What is the style/system? "Kung Fu isn't a name of a martial art or style it's a generic slang term for 100s of chinese martial arts.

[@alexazuaje4780]

@@inside_fighting no he said he threw a kick to the boxing guy's head then he dropped to the ground and he applied some kind of Kung fu lock and sumitted him

[@alexazuaje4780]

@@teovu5557 what i can assert it's My Master has trained traditional chinese martial arts

[@CrowdPleeza]

How well did this Wing Chun guy handle this boxer? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKTVmpKJeZl9mdEsi=8XY27ZxEHiakq4fs

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Even the new generation of Chinese fighers understand how weak Wing Chun are and now are training Sanda much more effetive.

[@stonefox9124]

I don't like this style. This will end in a bear hug and taken to the ground

[@beelzebootthecanadiandevil9600]

No. Never. Go watch that Wing Chun get whooped by a one-armed, mediocre mixed martial artist

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

There's a Reason why China never had a Male UFC Champion Wing Chun only work in movies, I also love Wing Chun movies but in reality doesn't work.

[@inside_fighting]

Well it’s also because those are systems with gloves also

[@Mrcashewww]

@@inside_fighting there are systems that don’t use gloves and when they compete in gloved competition they do just fine but WC is the exception I suppose 🙄

[@inside_fighting]

@ what gloveless striking system does well in UFC? Kyokushin did ok in some cases but other than that there aren’t many

[@Mrcashewww]

@@inside_fighting sambo, bjj, wrestling, they don’t use gloves granted their grappling arts but they work fine with the smaller gloves, the glove thing is just another excuse for WC

[@Mrcashewww]

@@inside_fighting bjj, wrestling, sambo, granted they’re grappling arts but they can use most of their techniques with mma gloves or smaller gloves. It just seems like a cop out for chunners to try and justify why their art doesn’t work in a combat sport setting. You can have outliers obviously but when you look at the whole of the art and you see a big disparity of losses to wins on what is recorded then how can you not question the arts efficacy.

[@nombi7636]

So stupid, just for people who newer fight, 😂

[@ibnBobby80]

2nd

[@inside_fighting]

Respect 🫡 thanks for commenting brother