Brace Yourself: EV Charger Speeds Are Taking a Hit!

[@antoniopalmero4063]

I just charge at home for 8.5p kWh .

[@rocket3man]

Me too or at least 95% over the past year.

[@johnwinters4201]

For a PHEV to be of any practical use you still need a home charge point.

[@cuoresportivo155]

and certainly for financial sense, 70 p/kwh or more is not uncommon at commercial chargers.

[@G6EJD]

Yes but a PHEV is one of the most efficient ICE vehicles around because it can recuperate energy used to accelerate the vehicle - ie it can use the battery to slow the vehicle down.

[@cuoresportivo155]

@@G6EJD that's true, but it doesn't offset the extra purchase cost in my experience. at least not before the end of warranty.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@cuoresportivo155 The public charge network in some of my area is priced at 45p per kwh if you use one of the three subscription rates they offer....

[@CW-om2qq]

​@@G6EJDA self-charging hybrid makes some sense storing surplus energy to release it when required. A PHEV doesn't since the battery isn't large enough to give range, and you're just lugging round an unnecessary heavy load in ICE mode.

[@G6EJD]

PHEV’s are not that expensive to use, a gallon of fuel costs £6.08 (£1.329/litre) which buys 21kWh at the cap-rate and an an average of 3-miles per kWh yields a consumption equivalent of 63mpg so much cheaper to charge at home than to buy fuel. On a low rate tariff the savings are huge.

[@markrozee]

If you do have a driveway, you would be mad not to buy an EV. They cost virtually nothing to run. My daughter has an ev and now never pays anything for fuel. Her office has free chargers.😮

[@markotrieste]

Nothing you've said about PHEV applies to me. I'm so sad to see EV drivers hating PHEV more than diesel. My average MPG (UK) over 100.000 km is 94. About 60% of the distance is made on pure EV. As for why I didn't get a pure EV since I can charge it at home, I already explained you that there are those periods of the year called weekends and places where I go that don't have charging points, because the whole point to go there is that they are remote places. Yes, PHEV offer the best of both worlds, if you know how to use it. PS mine has also DC charging.

[@ziploc2000]

How very British to have solar and wind farms built, but be unable to use them because the grid is virtually Victorian. In other news, I have a garage full of gasoline and in a few years I plan to buy a car. We really can't trust the government to have a clue how to get anything done right, can we?

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Complete rubbish - the UK was one of the first countries to modernise it's grid in the 1960s onwards creating a country wide supergrid network. The upgrades happening now are relatively low scale dealling with issues of the past such as addressing congestion points, extending the network to areas previously poorly served and connecting up the coast for offshore renewables. The grid itself was designed to support 80GW transmission capability at it's peak in 2005/6 but nowdays, mainly due to efficiency gains, only operates at 20 to 30GW (with peaks of 40GW on some winter days). The solar/wind farm (onshore mainly)/charging site connection issues are less to do with the grid are more about local planning and provisioning via the Delivery Network Operators. The log jam is more buearcratic than capacity related as demand has grown significantly; an issue that is being addressed with more funding now being made available and the ramp up of resources to manage requests. The number of sites with capacity issues is relatively small, and often related to the issues of the past being poorly served areas with substations and grid connections. You need to be mindful of that gasoline, particularly if seeking to buy a car to use it in a few years, it has a shelf life and will gellify well before then and so become useless.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@GruffSillyGoat Plus, if ever there was a fire at his home, and his insurance company discovered he was storing that much petrol in a garage, I doubt they'd pay out on any claim...... And yes, if it's been there more than a few Months without any fuel stabiliser in it, it'll be borderline unusable.....

[@ziploc2000]

@@GruffSillyGoat Obviously I was joking, the grid is not actually Victorian, but to be serious, a well-managed project gets this stuff done in parallel. No point in having a wind or solar farm ready to produce but can't be connected to the grid, whether that's hardware or software or paperwork. It's just wasteful. The stories I'm reading from the National Grid website and various other sources including the BBC suggest this was implemented in a less than ideal manner. The gasoline is no longer a problem now my garage has burned down.

[@Yeadon65]

Would have been nice if you’d talked about the regulations that will apply all CPOs regarding reliability levels and data availability and not just focused on the effect on Tesla’s network.

[@rogerphelps9939]

This man is just a Tesla fanboy. It gets rather irritating.

[@stephengreen8986]

A phev as a company car is a huge government oversight. Most people will just use free company petrol.

[@davidwilson4468]

Very true

[@mikeymoolane6026]

Most modern hybrid cars are now ulez compliant, and I think that is why people buy them.... They avoid the congestion and pollution charges, yet drive purely on petrol or diesel anyway....

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Why would they buy a more expensive hybrid for ULEZ reason, when petrol/diesel cars also offer Euro 4 or 6 ULEZ compliance? Also, as ULEZ rules are due to tighten over the years up to 2035 both ICE cars of all types (hybrids or otherwise) will fall outside of the current exemptions.

[@pauleast4372]

The Tesla commentary misses the simple avoidance method for non-Tesla drivers - Tesla membership. Use of the Tesla app, reduces the cost of charging and is easily used. Of course, company car drivers will generally not be bothered with this and will only use the 'company card' - thus excluding Tesla.

[@andrewsarchus4238]

Why don’t UK governments ever have anyone as sensible as Dave advising policy? Instead they find some unelected loud-mouthed lout with an empty head dictating disastrous policies. This is a critical moment for getting EV policy right.

[@huwjones5879]

Could be apocryphal, but I've read of PHEV cars going to auction at end of lease with the charging cables unopened.

[@paulweston1106]

In fairness, I've got an EV and haven't opened the charge cables that came with it.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Not only apocryphal it's a pointless statement as it doesn't demonstrate anything - owned a PHEV in the past and now a BEV and I've never opened the cables as used the tethered cable both at home and on chargers when out and about. Still a lot of anti-EV channels put a lot of import on this statement as if it has significant meaning for them, without realising it just demonstrates their lack of knowledge and understanding.

[@Kevin-dp1vy]

@@GruffSillyGoat Its certainly true for the majority of the plug in hybrid cars that my company provided to our engineers a few years ago. The range was only around 20 miles on a charge but it took hours to charge the caar so the drivers never bothered. With an average mileage of 40,000 per year they just wanted to drive and get to the job or home.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@Kevin-dp1vy - most companies in the past for high mileage usage tended to buy HEVs as these higher MPG compared to a PHEV outweighed the company car tax advantage. These days with PHEVs offering up to 90 miles (more for series types / EREVs) supporting DC charging provides a middle ground. But with the budget's disincentive of PHEVs and BEVs offering 300+ miles it seems the government intends to push BEVs more.

[@johniooi3954]

@@Kevin-dp1vy So they could not charge while sleeping? Like may EV owners do?.

[@dgilbert222]

On the topic of prices, Genie Point have today increased prices to 83p 🤑. They obviously didn't get your memo about Tesla! How on earth can 83p be justified for only a 60kW charger.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The CPO regulations allow for operators of propietary networks to meet guidelines within a time period. Allowingup to one year after the site becomes open to all to meet the contactless payment requirements. This doesn't not require the individual chargers to be modified as stand alone pedastal solutions are available that could integrated via APIs to the Tesla charger network. Similarly, those sites requiring registration of parking, such as hotels, can integrate payment solution into their parking reservation terminals. However, for Tesla their concern may be more regarding the opening up of data via an industry standard API as this would allow third-parties to access their site and rates data (such as Zapmap) increasing competition as this could lead to dynamic pricing by competitors (which is a good thing for the consumer).

[@warrenknight5373]

Have to say this government like others talk up a greener future but fail miserably to make it happen. These types of policies along with recent VED changes will not encourage people to greener vehicles. With no government push with the energy sector they too are not making the process easier or cheaper for EV or green technology

[@selbytrotter]

Thanks, but I'll stick with my 12 year old 162000 mile focus.

[@ziploc2000]

The contactless payment upgrade only affects NEW chargers above 8kW and old ones of 50kW and above, so the existing 22kW Aldi chargers shouldn't be affected. 22kW is already pathetic of course, should be at least 150kW or better 350kW, so those faster charging vehicles can benefit from them. But if the UK Government wants more access to slower chargers, so be it. This won't help with EV adoption.

[@raymondo123321]

Remember up to 22kw is for ac destination charge points not dc ccs, massively cheaper to install and very useful for cars that can support the three phase 22kw on board charger. DC chargers from 50kw are for a quick top up not for parking.

[@charlesflouvat1829]

Please remind people that this was all under 14 years of a CONSERVATIVE GOVERMENT. And I'm a tory with a small c

[@peterjones6640]

Government ( all colours) legislation and unintended consequences are synonymous.

[@johnford3825]

Sadly, we are in the hands of Ed Milliband.

[@StephenButlerOne]

I think tesla chargers will be fine. They will keep the waver for historic chargers, and probably when they need replacing/repairing the older ones will get replaced whatever the latest gen is at that time. It makes no sesne for the gov to block use of them. Then again, its our gov we are talking about.

[@memeGT150]

I have had a 2018 330e, only good thing was BIK !It did 17 miles on a charge, charged every day, 13 miles by end of 3 year lease.Now have a Rav 4plug in, type 2 charger full charge 2.5 hours 43 miles on my mates wallbox,not sure why the BMW took so long. On a granny charge says 8 hours but took about 7 to get 42 miles,£2.11 per gallon is my cost on electric .Car does 43mpg on petrol alone, early days but am I mistaken about the 2.5 hour charge speed? I left it there for 4 hours but it came up on display as 2.5 hours and 8 on granny charger?

[@jonathanw1787]

Hi Dave. This could explain why Tesla service centre Cardiff, is going back to Tesla only charging, instead to open to all from tomorrow 1st November. I was told this a couple of weeks ago. When charging my Corsa e . I was going to mention this on comments one of your other KZbin videos. (Why non-Tesla supercharging is a game changer) is this going to be the only one ? Keep up the good work 👏

[@rogerphelps9939]

Just Level 3 charging. Being Tesla does not make it "super."

[@tim66612343]

It is likely that it’s become too busy for the service centre to function properly. That was the reason given for Tottenham becoming Tesla only agin.

[@neilsessions9744]

I'll stick to my 55 year old classic 5.7 litre v8 , ultimate recycling,no mot ,no road tax and ulez compliant,win win

[@ianemery2925]

8 MPG ? For the cost of 1 gallon of 95RON, I can drive around 350 miles, so I dont think you are really winning.

[@dchubworldsharenetwork]

Where do you see 8MPG? If you mean v8... 🤣 it's an engine. Just 1 min of browsing... copying is faster 🙂 👇 "A V8 engine often just called a V8 is an internal combustion engine with 8 cylinders. The engine has four cylinders on each side called banks. The two banks form a "V" shaped angle."

[@ianemery2925]

@@dchubworldsharenetwork I see "5.7 Litre" and work from there; at that point, "v8" is meaningless. As for 8 mpg, it is based off of my experience with old, large, car engines; and I was being generous at 8 mpg, anything other than a feather foot, and it could easily be 4 mpg.

[@neilsessions9744]

@ianemery2925 10 mpg on a good day ,I don't worry about the cost ,life's too short to be a penny pincher

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@neilsessions9744 - oddly the reason life is being made short is due to emmissions from cars like these; so in essence your point means "you don't mind paying to reduce your own lifespan or those of others". Quite an odd mixf Darwinian and Sociapathic attitudes.

[@charlesflouvat1829]

Where's the cash slot on electric chargers? Tyre wear pollution?

[@Brian-om2hh]

Almost all recently installed chargers will offer a contactless payment facility. Even your local petrol station will cease taking cash before too long.... Loaded trucks and vans have had excessive tyre wear for decades, so why the sudden concern now? The front tyres on my Kia EV lasted 27k miles before I replaced them, so pretty much normal wear.. Try not to believe the nonsense you see in the press - especially regarding EV batteries and tyres - written by people who've never owned an EV.....

[@timoliver8940]

Sorry I disagree that HEV’s have no pure electric capability - I drove a Hertz rental Toyota Corolla Stationwagon HEV (I had booked a VW ID3! But they were fresh out of any form of EV at Bergen Airport Hertz despite me having booked and paid in full for one 4 months earlier) from Bergen to North Cape and back in 2022 and that certainly had pure electric capability even though it was only 21 miles range it could still drive in pure electric mode. Average mpg over 30 days and 2900 miles worked out at 70mpg uphill and downdale (and those were very very steep at times, also the 70 and 90km/h speed limits most places helped!). I own an MHEV 3.0 ltr diesel powered Defender and that certainly has zero pure electric capability

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Pure electric means the power is supplied via electricity directly without involvement of other energy sources (such as fossil-fuels). For HEV, the consideration is the electric capability cannot be independently supplied, such as by being plugged-in, rather via a parasitic load on the fossil-fuel either directly via ICE charging or indirectly via recovery of fossil-fuel energy spent in moving the car.

[@prjackson7802]

Great video

[@johndoyle4723]

The government investing in green hydrogen? The battle for hydrogen cars has already been comprehensively lost, as back up storage for renewables it is horribly innefficient, for domestic heating forget it. Maybe some heavy plant can use it and also as a feedstock in the chemical industry

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The 11 green hydrogen sites covered by the budget are commercial/industrial ones, such as supporting distileries, where heat can be captured to increase efficiency. None are transport or domestic heating/cooking related. That said these 11 sites are a very expensive form of energy storage, with the £2 billion funding supporting just 125MW of storage, in effect supporting capex of £16 million per MWh, and an operating strike price of £241/MWh. This is signficantly higher than that of battery storage, capex at £0.6 million per MWh and strike price of £44/MWh, and is even more expensive than similar long duration flow battery storage. Indeed domestic hydrogen use has effectively been put on hiatus. With only plans to reduce hydrogen over production curtailment (some hydrogen sites have to operate 24/7 regardless of demand) and even there only 1% mix with natural gass will be allowed. Hydrogen growth as a energy vector is both challenging to implement and challenged by cheaper/more effective alternatives.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@GruffSillyGoat It's basically a box ticking exercise, to get them nearer meeting their Paris Climate Agreement targets, as they're legally obliged to do so. It's clear that hydrogen has no realistic future powering passenger cars, so they need to be seen and heard doing something, and this green hydrogen malarky is it..... Yet another of Ed Millipede's brainwaves.......

[@dazt66]

I have a BYD Dolphin that you can film if you like

[@lessheppard]

As always, doing their best to interfere and mess things up

[@daveyjack1959]

Never heard such rubbish in all my life

[@keithdenton8386]

Yes I am happy that they get subsidies to drive petrol guzzling cars. They pay fuel tax so it comes back, one hundred fold fold. If I gave you ten pounds and you gave me one pound a week for a year, you would come out on top.

[@hansj5846]

Say that to the victims of air pollution....

[@keithdenton8386]

@@hansj5846 There is not any. One death in London proved to be from population.

[@Cardifftoyboy1]

The road to hell is paved with Government good intention

[@marekkedzierski8237]

Yet another reason not to buy an EV, especially if one lives in a flat and can't charge at home.

[@hansj5846]

I live in a flat and charge at home. I thought most flats have dedicated parking space so I honestly don't understand this issue.

[@Chrislayeruk1]

Rather than that, why not lobby your MP and give them the facts…

[@hansj5846]

@Chrislayeruk1 what facts would that be?

[@Chrislayeruk1]

@@hansj5846 The facts stated in this episode of Dave takes it on…

[@Kevin-dp1vy]

@@hansj5846 Having a dedicated parking spot doesnt mean that you are able to charge at home. Our building of 6 apartments has six dedicated parking spaces but there is no power in the parking araea and no way of running power to the car park without very expensive ground works to lay in power cables. The car park is too far from the building to run a 13 amp power cable to the vehicles.

[@Robotadept]

Ofgem never have nor never will be on the side of the consumer

[@robbiehilpert5909]

Us motorists need to get together in our millions head to London and stay bring food etc we do not want these cars and we will not be forced to buy them we will not pay for expensive charging those who have no off street parking a drive at motorway speed battery depletes fast especially with 4 passengers add cold weather lights heating half your range gone which electric company is going to install these fast chargers nation wide let alone for trucks my car range 860 miles 1.6 Hdi engine £62 no worries about refuelling We have to fight people otherwise we are all fucked

[@hansj5846]

You're against punctuations as well? 😂😂😂 Good grief

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@hansj5846 - why bother with punctuation, it won't make any of the desperation, myths and disinformation in this post any more relevant or truer.

[@jamie-hb8gy]

Reducing charging output because the grid can't and won't cope,Never seen that coming,The bubble has Burst,stop this madness now.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Absolute nonsense. The National Grid have stated on numerous occasions that there will be no issues. But hey, what do the people who actually run the grid know about running the grid eh? The vast majority of EV owners charge up through the night on off-peak rates, when the demand on the grid is at it's lowest due to most industry shutting down. That's why energy suppliers offer cut price electricity on off-peak tariffs. They *WANT* people to use it when the grid's capacity is at it's greatest, and demand is at it's lowest...

[@robertedge6326]

Dave, just stop being a jerk, EVs, their range anxiety and their charging is a joke. Plus any owner should be added to the list for prosecution for crimes with humanity

[@hansj5846]

😂😂😂 Jesus wept

[@truebrit3670]

No doubt you're in court tomorrow for the 40,000 UK deaths a year caused by air pollution. Or are you averse to accepting that?

[@Brian-om2hh]

Just out of interest, how many different chargers have you actually used?