Asymmetric Vs Symmetric Bowling Balls

2 types of bowling ball cores. 2 different type of reactions. We talk about them in this video!
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[@peteg475]

Symmetrical mustaches vs. Asymmetrical mustaches...

[@AverageLeagueHack]

Asymmetrical mustache = lost bet

[@ericw6043]

I had no idea Freddie Mercury did bowling videos....

[@andrewguzman7395]

YO HE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE FREDDIE WTF

[@cernokit]

😂😂

[@adentan9431]

HAHAHAHA

[@S.Clause]

Aaaah you got it !! I was like who’s he look like ....??

[@kansasjayhawk8386]

He does look like him huh? Haha

[@chriskelleher5294]

Can you guys consider making a PART 2 to this video explaining how to drill the 2 different balls. Pin Up vs Pin down mass bias ect. This is all a little confusing to me but I'm doing my best to understand it. Thanks for your videos

[@eugenetaylor3732]

Love you videos just started bowling again after 15 years. The game has changed and your teaching has brought me up to speed. Thanks again for your work.

[@boyitsame]

Bread and Kyle: *uploads* Everyone: *mustache mustache mustache*

[@philperry3639]

The goalie on our minor league hockey team has a mustache like that. When he is introduced on game night, some of us chant "Fear the 'stache!".

[@geraldcovington7121]

I am a true FAN of y'all. I have learned more in the past 5 or 6 yrs than the whole 20 plus yrs i have been bowling. This is the one thing i have been looking for. I REALLY have been blind to this an now i understand. Thank you fellas for this. I look forward to seeing more of your videos an one day meet you on tour.

[@infinimetrical]

I've been playing Disc Golf for over 10 years now. Some of the terminology that translates to functions of how a disc flies reminds me of ball reactions. A stable disc wants to "fade" sooner, than a flippy disc that wants to "flip" or, move towards the particular clockwise/counterclockwise rotation that you throw it. I figure a symmetrical ball would likely want to have a balanced reaction, whereas an asymmetrical has an offbalanced weight to it's core to influence it's rolling pattern. Just things that are going through my mind after years from having not bowled. I miss bowling.

[@88Mickyfan]

Brad and Kyle give a good geometry lesson, lol.

[@xrilander]

Excellent video, answered all of my questions. I started bowling again after 15 years, bought an asymetrical ball, 2 actually. I've have had nothing but issues with hook and control on my league. My average is almost 20 pins less than where I left off. I just purchased a Roto Grip Icon Helios, and can't wait to get it drilled, and to get my control back!!!

[@Zyhxle]

how'd that go ?

[@xrilander]

@@Zyhxle Not a top tier bowler, but my average is 184 right now. Up 21 pins from the end of last years league. Striving for 190 at leagues end👍

[@autodoson1]

Yup I have seen my asym absolutely just doing what you did this video about on a dryer oil. On heavier oil it does exactly what it was intended to do and is so controllable. Thank You for the clarification.

[@brigham2250]

I'm waiting for remote controlled bowling balls. I really need more control and think this will finally get me the results I'm looking for.

[@jakesnussbuster3565]

Mark rober made that a long time ago

[@dangriffiths1392]

This was done. It was as lame as you would expect.

[@gregsreelrevival]

Just getting back into bowling and will be starting out with my 1980's Hammer Fab. Asymmetrical bowling balls have intrigued me recently so this was a very good video. Made me think on the asymmetrical hooking less on a dryer lane. Made sense though. Great content!

[@jeffjensen4577]

My favorite part of this video is Kyle's Mustache. LOVE IT!

[@dakotastorms1255]

I wish i found this video sooner, very clear explanations. I had no idea before, you made this easy to understand

[@DaBeardedBowler]

I was looking to purchase another bowling ball, and I really appreciate this video helping me make a choice. I already have the DV8 troublemaker. Thanks for the great material you guys put out

[@mcfaddinbrotherfishing7017]

Love the content and videos you’ve change my game ever since

[@phildeering3830]

Nice job, especially the explanation about some of the more subtle areas bowling balls and the choice you make and why/when to use each of them.

[@matthewrichards6889]

I had no idea Parker Bohn III did these videos

[@danieloutlaw2585]

WOW!!!!!! I understand more about Assym vs. Sym balls now than I ever have in my life. Thanks Brad and Kyle👍👍👍. Going to get me a new urethane ball and a reactive Assym ball soon. Can I get some pointers on what kind of Assym ball I should get? I am a high to medium rpm bowler what ball would you recommend I get for Reactive Assym?

[@Jqwerty38]

One correction about asymmetric cores - they can actually be symmetric when split in half. With bowling ball cores, we are talking about axial symmetry, not planar symmetry. What makes a symmetric core "symmetric" is that it is symmetric around the axis created by the pin.

[@SimpleRick22]

Okay nerd jk ty for this awesome insight

[@Phillip_Viera]

The mustache says we must call him: “Super-Commander-Admiral Kevin” and his partner “Sergeant Brad”

[@ericneff1202]

Couple f weeks ago I started with the Redemption Solid and switched to the Web Pearl in the middle of game two after a couple of weak tens. Back on it with the Symmetrical Web Pearl.

[@bowlingxp8345]

Nice video, thanks guys ! Something i noticed. In the 1st shot of both balls, the Asymm hooked more downlane but also the Symm was thrown 1 board left at the arrows and 2 boards left at the breakpoint. On the 2nd shot, they were thrown pretty much at the same targets, and now the Symm hooked more.

[@jacksonparsons4438]

Can you guys make a video on axis tilt?

[@cwagner4704]

Very helpful , I’m just getting back into bowling after 30 yrs. This makes it clearer to me why my Gem 💎 appears to roll out , I was thinking it was me , either too much up the back or lack of revs , but on my house shot it’s not always a higher volume of oil . ( especially on a night we bowl after the high schoolers have a match) this info will be useful in knowing when to get out of the one ball and moving to the next . Thanks guys

[@greenmachine6146]

A lot of excellent points here, and things I never thought about before. My PSO had similar comments. I was having trouble late in league and tourneys with my asym's... they used up energy before hitting the pins. I could get to the pocket but started leaving single pins (back row). Picked up a sym ball and instantly solved my problem.

[@MrImAWrapper]

I’m a new fan! Been looking through your videos and it has been helping with my bowling!

[@alexvanleuven6146]

same

[@willbertot82]

Sym- High Road X. A sym- Omega Crux. The high road is nice and hooks hard on the end of the patter. Love it.

[@nicholaskelley8022]

Good stuff. Been really struggling with getting comfortable with my Asymmetrical stuff lately.

[@shawnpugh6052]

Thanks for the breakdown boys. Headed to Vegas tomorrow and may bring a couple of new balls home

[@slickytru5]

both of you guys are fun to watch. love your content. keep up the good work..

[@flippperboy]

You can see the prism hybrid slow down faster than the uppercut. Dam Kyle is getting ripped on this board.

[@jackeasum5383]

The prism is a gem

[@timbarden2782]

I think ball speed is an important component. Seems like generally, higher speed bowlers would benefit more from asymmetrical because if thrown too slow the asymmetrical ball will die on the way to the pocket. Just a theory, I could be wrong. Thoughts?

[@SirJoelsuf1]

Yes anyone with under 400 RPMs in their throw is speed dominant and should just throw asyms. Although symmetrical stuff is good for those with reaaaaaalllly slow ball speed. Like old people/little kids etc.

[@dejavu3741]

I have one ball in my bag that my team refers to it as my ignorant ball. I only use it when nothing else really wants to work. Flooded lanes it’s the hardest snapping ball in my bag and on a dry shot it likes to skid forever and roll in. It makes no sense to anyone I know but I’m not sure if it is used when I am ignorant or if the ball is ignorant of what the oil is supposed to do. Either way it’s the oldest ball in my bag that I’m afraid to replace and I don’t understand why it does what it does.

[@PenguinTamer63]

Brad: Give it a shot at home. Me: ;-; my bowling alleys are closed

[@AverageLeagueHack]

What state ?

[@snikegamer4884]

Your not the only one :(

[@galejenkins102]

I hate Democrats they close everything

[@jaceg8280]

Jesus thank you so much… ive almost given up on on both of my asym balls simply bc they “don’t hook” on my house shot but they work how i want them too when i loft em just weird learning curv ig

[@TheHide]

Great Info, thanks fellas!

[@dominicbartnikowski8250]

Please get some left handed tips out please

[@ericcarey1761]

I really respect you one handed bowlers that wrist and thumb strength is so impressive

[@philippeters3253]

Great video. I have the hardest time explaining ball motion to my teammates, lol. I think a video just like this, but pin up vs pin down would be phenomenal!

[@josephmana6009]

can you please discuss the pin up and pin down and pin location to the side thanks

[@m.wilson2624]

Look at that mustache ...... Did you lose a bet kyle? 🤣

[@jf5618]

Lol...i commented on the same topic, saw your comment and deleted mine. Def must have lost a bet?!!! ;-)

[@popanda3652]

my house shot is like 32" and my hustle wine cant hit pocket, picked up a uc2 a friend of mine has and i was able to hit pocket. it took us by suprise that the hustle had more hook than the uc2 on these lanes. just goes to show, dont be stubborn, if your line sucks grab a different ball. especially during practice

[@CDRFAR]

I also use the Prizm Hybrid and Uppercut. Additionally, I have the Phantom. What condition would that be optimal?

[@SirJoelsuf1]

I like what Mo Pinel says about this, according to him if you have less than 350 RPMs you have no business throwing a symmetrical ball. Same with urethane (although I disagree with Pinel on Urethane). Pretty much anyone with medium or low rotation (which is pretty much 90% of any bowler who isn't two handed) can have nothing but asyms in their bag and be perfectly fine as long as they all vary in terms of how aggressive they are and what kind of surface is on them. A diverse bag of asyms beats a combination of asyms and symmetrical stuff. To me, anyway.

[@brade4640]

Need a video on the difference in ball motion with a strong core/weak cover vs weaker core/stronger cover. Bowling both on a long pattern vs short pattern

[@rickygibson6453]

I'm a tweener, I bought a Brunswick Uppercut this year. It's by far my favorite ball ever.

[@dontswin]

What do you mean by tweener? I don't know that lingo.

[@robertjenkins2578]

Wish you guys would do a video on your bowling jargon. I usually don’t understand what you are talking about. I don’t mean things like curve, hook, and bucket. I mean “stand up” “open angles” “shim” “push” etc. With some hard work, I learned that “flair” is a catchy word for precessing (with an E), which is a word used in physics for wobble. The earth wobbles on its axis; that’s precessing. It does that because the globe is not perfectly balanced. You might say, its core is asymmetrical. Anyway, your stuff is pretty good, but you can be better by speaking English. Use the bowling jargon, but follow the term with a word of clarification. By the way, you are not alone! Most of the bowling videos are peppered with jargon. So why don’t I just Google the jargon? I have! What you find is bowling jargon from 1930. They carefully explain such things as “the channels on each side of the alley (lane) are sometimes referred to as gutters.” Oh boy! Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe your viewers don’t care what you are talking about, or they assume they know. But you guys spend a lot of your video time just talking. Well, that’s fine. I just wish I understood more of what you are trying to say. Thanks.

[@gfcgtv6538]

Great explanation, I would be interested to see a list of terms in the bowling world (their synonyms) and then the definition. When I got back into it three weeks ago I was like, 5th board, asymmertric? I was lost but got into reading. However, in Professional gaming we use key words to call out map spots etc, this seems similar as far as term use.

[@pluggedawayzae861]

I think something that should also be extremely highlighted with symmetric balls and any balls in general, is that the symmetry is determined from side to side and not top to bottom. the biggest thing alot of people struggle with when determining if a ball is symmetric, is determining if the core is symmetric from every angle whether it 90, 180, 135 , 142 degrees. for example the Phaze II. its symmetric side to side but not top to bottom. but because side to side is the only thing that matters, it is in fact a symmetric core ball.

[@noampeleg9766]

That is one mighty mustache Kyle.

[@carlosandresguerra3690]

Great video guys thanks for the info !!

[@chrisberdis6228]

Excellent job gentlemen...

[@michaelrogers404]

Awesome video love the details

[@benwintermute2804]

My buddy is just learning to put hook on the ball. He's also about to buy his first ball. Should he go asym or sun?? Thanks for your time!

[@davejustice7464]

Thank you for this video very helpful I have a Halo Pearl and it does not hook at all I use it for my 10 pin ball believe it or not supposed to be a hook monster I think it was drilled wrong going to have to go to a different Pro Shop

[@Mikey-1990]

Funny because that's my all time favorite ball to date lmao. It's always in my bag. I would say it definitely has to be the layout on yours because it is a nice, strong but controllable pearl with great continuation through the pins. I generally like to play straighter, coming hard up the back of the ball with faster ball speed. Mine is drilled to go long with a nice, sharp breakpoint. Ball is very versatile you can drill it if you like to open up your angles alot too.

[@jamesmatheson4746]

Gues what..... When you drill into the weight block with your thumb hole on a symmetrical ball you make it slightly asymmetrical because you take weight out of one side of the weight block only.

[@MMPAspergerian]

When Brad is standing there smiling, he reminds me of Chucky from the Child's Play movie circa 1988. It just so happens the voice actor is also named Brad.

[@jmfoty4280]

I wonder...Would a symmetric ball work on a fresh oil house pattern if playing outside where there is less oil and earlier dry? What happens when surface is added to a symmetric ball? Will it hook earlier and then run out of gas because it tends to be weaker?

[@kille10100]

I have an A sym force ball and this explains why i have seen it roll out straight right as its getting to the pocket. So when it gets to that point I should switch to a symmetric? or is it possible to change your throw to compensate for it?

[@brandongoodman4116]

It's core type of work in plus some of those kind mixed up 20 years old bowling ball

[@kansasjayhawk8386]

Some fake buck teeth, a white tank top w white jeans, and we have ourselves a Freddy Mercury.

[@willwoll3138]

I am a full rolling cranker but due to age and injuries my ball speed dropped from around 19 mph to barely 14 mph. I tried to adjust my grip to flatten out the ball, but with minimal luck and NO consistency. I then found the Pyramid Pathogen Blue Dot which is a plastic ball with an asymmetric core. This ball skids down the lane from the cover, but still flips like a resin due to the core. It turned into the best of both worlds. Just curious, why don't any of the pros use plastic balls with weight blocks (like my ball or the Black Widow Spare) on dry conditions as an alternate to using Urethane?

[@ag7015]

I have a phaze 2 I throw on house pattern that is 43 feet with dry edges. It’s the best ball in the world for what I do

[@joshiebaseball2206]

You guys should do an arsenal video with the new equipment

[@FSUSean2112]

the symmetrical ball went a bit farther down lane before making the move but the asym ball when into the roll earlier and make the move earlier. thats my only thoughts

[@peterjacquemart6954]

That Brunswick hybrid prism..my son shot his 300 with that

[@travelingyinzer5817]

Thank you for the helpful info!! Love Brads shirt...what website/company is it from?

[@hM-ss5yl]

How should a bowling ball fit

[@wmendozer]

Kyle, I dig the 'stache!

[@chrisdavidson6519]

Back in 2008 I bought a black widow venom (reactive) symmetrical drilled 3 in off center. You talk about a strong hook 😳 holy sh#t. If the lanes were even a little dry good luck keeping it on lane.

[@SayCheeseM3dia]

Asyms need the oil to store energy thats why yhey dont hook on light oil

[@christopherascherl2411]

The cover stocks are more important than core with regard with light oil. Polyester covered asyms can work well when the lanes are toast.

[@doctorrobert60]

Is the old "pancake" core older type of symmetric core?

[@dylanmccarthy8974]

I just got the 900 global zen and that ball is symmetric and it hooks so early for me it’s concerning. Hits every time like a champ but still it reads wayyyy too early for a symmetric. Any reason for that?

[@Robthebengalguy]

Hey guys these are really great points but I have questions for you or maybe just a question I acquired about six bowling balls from my brother who's a pretty good bowler himself I'm just a you know every now and again bowler which I bowl maybe one League a year but how do I tell what balls that I have are asymmetrical or symmetrical

[@rickstepina7691]

So which is best to use on a wet dry condition when you want control and early roll?

[@leonfiggins6076]

What do he mean when he said after a couple of games he will change he's bowling ball how many games ? Meaning our of 3game when will it be a good time to switch

[@cyworld2707]

Symmetrical balls are symmetrical only if you split it through the pin. If you don't, then a symmetrical ball will yield asymmetrical sides. A true symmetrical ball is when the weight block is shaped and uniformly balanced like a ball, thus becoming a ball within a bowling ball. In an asymmetrical roll, through centrifugal force, the heavier imbalanced side creates a wobble that tugs the ball in that direction. A ball drilled to take advantage of the offset creates a ball that has less deflection.

[@krazyk57]

Back to the basics...👍Ty boys...

[@drsudz]

i really love your videos.... But. (Isn't there always a but!) Who is your audience? For example, at 10 min, Brad asking Kyle what ball he would use to start, and Kyle saying he would use the assym and then Brad asking at what point he would use the sym? All interesting, but useless to me. I bet a a pro could relate to what another pro uses. I want your advice on what ball I should use as a beginner or an intermediate bowler. I suspect most of your viewers fall into one of those categories. I suggest a video where you suggest different balls based on how fast a viewer throws a ball, age, their average, how much hook they are getting, maybe lane conditions, etc. That would be SUPER useful! For example, I came upon this vid bc I am 60 years old, retired and started bowling 4 years ago, 150+ average but heading down because I started to work out to get in shape and now both my balls are hooking like crazy hard. Even my plastic ball hooks 9" now. I need a new ball and my pro shop does not have a pro - they have a guy with a 140 average and has 2 years pro shop experience. And I live 1.5 hours from the next closest lanes...

[@Clarkson350]

Once drilled are they not all asymmetrical?

[@JM-sz1ck]

Yes, but my understanding is that on a symmetric ball once drilled, the PSA will be in the thumb. on an asymmetrical ball the PSA can be manipulated.

[@Clarkson350]

@@JM-sz1ck Mo Pinel has video showing the two balls after drilling, PSA on asym is just beside the thumb

[@JM-sz1ck]

@@Clarkson350 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHqliIWuh5t6bZo I watched the video. It's very good. He says on sym balls the PSA is in the thumb. A balance hole will move the PSA away from the thumb. Once plugged it will move back, but not quite all the way, more beside the thumb.

[@leedufour]

Thanks!

[@trotva]

My problem is if I should pick the black ball or the blue one.

[@elb5647]

Is there anyway to tell the balls apart other than rolling them down the lanes.

[@Brian_B300]

Every asym ball is marked with a white dot or some other symbol to indicate where the mass bias is located. Symmetrical balls do not

[@samuelyan5297]

how to distinguish from outside?

[@good03boy]

I have a Columbia 300 Messenger ball. Is that Assymetrical or Symmetrical ball?

[@donovanroberts8930]

i love your guys videos would love meeting you one day

[@88Mickyfan]

I second that, Donovan. They seem like really nice guys.

[@arransmith8074]

Its about who throws the ball, u can throw a white dot and still strike if u throw the ball with a good hand, just say it u need the right line and serfuss on the ball thats it lol grate job i cud do better pml

[@louiscsanko3673]

CORRECT, Rudy Revs used to make a Red U.Dot hook on fresh oil, and that ball was the worst on oil, but Rudy Revs had a 500 Rev Rate Before BELMO was even born.[ Garden City Lanes in Long Island back in the 1980's] DUDE IS LEGENDARY 💪💪💪💪💪

[@mikebrown5798]

I'm throwing a Assym and I never leave 10 pins, I'm talking like 2 all year in 10 weeks. The issue im having is leaving 7, 8 and 4s alot more. I just can't figure out why that is.

[@AverageLeagueHack]

The fast 8 is when you hit slightly high the head hits the 2 on the inside sending it to the wall and around the 4/7 leaving one or the other is a slight variation on this hit when you trip them both late those are the dirty beautiful trip 4's we RH's love. The 8 pin can be the ball driving hard and taking the 5 straight back (the 8 will often get a wiggle making it more infuriating) or the head will get to the 5 (after bouncing off the 2) before the ball knocking it the wrong way both of those are bad luck and/or a slightly imperfect rack.

[@dangriffiths1392]

I just bought my first symmetrical ball (Hammer Infamous) and I'm getting it driller tomorrow. So........ Are we saying the difference in shape comes AFTER the break point? I was under the impression that the difference was before, i.e. more skid and snap with an asym and a more progressive arc with a sym BEFORE the break. But watching this I feel I got that wrong. And then comes the question if I should get this drilled pin high or pin low. The Hammer / Brunswick site says pin low will give maximum arc (which I took to be before the break point) and hook (which I took to be after break point), while pin high will give greater length before the break. Man...... My coach said I needed a symmetrical in my arsenal, and he'll also be drilling this for me, so I'm sure he knows what's up, but I like to understand myself what's going on and I'm not sure I'm getting it!

[@meanboy2000]

I bowled today and my hustle and Iq tour was going through the pins too hard when the lanes broke down. I moved in a little more and used a mastermind and the ball went perfectly into the pins. I even carried a couple of 6 pins that I had left with either hustle or iq. You guys know when your talking about! Edit-Maybe I was in the wrong part of the lane and i should have used the asymmetrical first because it wasn’t going sideways

[@christopheratwood6997]

what ball should i use first?

[@mitchelredmond6714]

Brad and Kyle I dont know if you will respond to this but I would like know if stretching is something you might want to do before bowling or not.

[@h20dept123]

I'm not Brad or Kyle, but I do bowl 2-3 x a week. I say you should definitely do some kind of warm-up/stretching exercises before you bowl. Just like any other sport.

[@mitchelredmond6714]

@@h20dept123 thank you dude. I was hoping someone would respond. I actually just won my first high school game this year

[@h20dept123]

@@mitchelredmond6714 Congrats and keep warming up (while others go out with back sprains).

[@judweber3338]

The stache nice

[@grownbabygolf1676]

Whats a plaque 10?

[@dragoon1205]

Hey guys, wanted your opinion on something. Was told because im a no thumb 2 finger 1 handed bowler that I should stay away from asym balls. Is this true

[@jp300]

Uppercut is soooo goood!

[@kevinvelasco684]

Any recommendations for a beginners ball?

[@Kyle_Dunne]

Probably a Hyroad from storm or a hustle from rotogrip

[@davidhartman5594]

Depends on what company but for Brunswick family the Rhino always used to be a go-to, but I dont know if they make them anymore. Storm/Roto have a Hustle Ink that is probably really good or maybe even the Hustle AU

[@peteg475]

@@davidhartman5594 Rhino is still a go-to. I love mine and a great ball to learn with.

[@michaelnevins5820]

Ok I have a question....why dont ball manufacturers make the same ball but with the choice of symmetrical or asymmetrical???

[@Jqwerty38]

That would require a different core. A lot of manufacturers re-use coverstock compounds and put them on different cores - some symmetric and some asymmetric. For example, the Hy-Road Pearl uses a symmetric core while the Astro Physix uses a asymmetrical core, while both use the R2S pearl coverstock.