Fixing a Bowed Guitar Neck - The Nuclear Option!

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The Guitologist

The Guitologist

Күн бұрын

This Kawai S-180 "Hound Dog Taylor" model Japanese guitar had been set up once before by me, but I was never 100% satisfied with it because the neck had a bow in it the truss rod would not adjust out. In this video, I'll show how to correct this by removing the fretboard, planing the neck, and reattaching the fretboard. Finally, we'll finish it off with a little fretwork.
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@mikhielthorsson6033
@mikhielthorsson6033 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Brad, I just wanted to let you know really how much I enjoy watching your videos. Between you and Crimson Guitar, you're my favorite channels on guitar maintenance and building. You both teach and inspire me to try new things on my own, instead of having someone do it for me.
@benwilliams9075
@benwilliams9075 7 жыл бұрын
I love seeing these old Japanese guitars inside, would love to see more videos like this!
@alfaalex101
@alfaalex101 6 жыл бұрын
I love the humble DIY nature of this all - LOVE IT!
@skycarl
@skycarl 7 жыл бұрын
That knife is a pallet knife used in oil and acrylic painting. All artist supply places should have them relatively cheap. Good vid.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Yep. I realized that just last night while watching Bob Ross. There is a link in the description to two places to buy the same knife. One is much cheaper.
@chaisehombre7723
@chaisehombre7723 7 жыл бұрын
God Bless Bob Ross.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Yes sir, Hombre. Bob Ross was a Zen master.
@Iam_Dunn
@Iam_Dunn 6 жыл бұрын
...Yup.... Stewmac are gouging bass-tards... All their stuff is overpriced. I’m super cheap, and hey, people in China need to buy food too. So that’s where I get 95% of my tools from... :)
@DevunGames
@DevunGames 5 жыл бұрын
Don't pay stewmac 40$ for a putty knife
@einarabelc5
@einarabelc5 7 жыл бұрын
Whoever you are, you're a beast!! Kudos to you!!
@will2741
@will2741 6 жыл бұрын
There's a simpler method: heat the neck up (I use an iron on the fretboard to get it going, then wrap an electric blanket round it), clamp it up so it's straight or slightly too far the other way, then let it cool off and see where it's at. I normally take a couple of swings at it but it DOES work, despite the naysayers. I don't get on with the planing method myself- you end up with a skinnier, narrower neck.
@greaserleo
@greaserleo 4 жыл бұрын
how long do would you leave in the heated blanket for
@Artguitars
@Artguitars 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t always work especially with maple. I’ve fixed hundreds necks over the years. There’s many many methods.
@brunocejas
@brunocejas 3 жыл бұрын
How much time does it lasts?
@vulveeta
@vulveeta 7 жыл бұрын
Great video sir.I need to do the exact operations on an old Ibanez hollow body and a coply of 70s harmony strat copies.You made it look pretty easy.I am grateful indeed.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Just go slow and carefully. Don't get in a hurry.
@StephenTack
@StephenTack 7 жыл бұрын
I've got a Univox Scroll Headstock Violin Bass with a broken trussrod...this I good inspiration to pop the fretboard off and fix it! Cheers!
@megwatts1903
@megwatts1903 5 жыл бұрын
I did pretty much the same thing on an Egmond Lucky 7. The fretboard was even worse: a paper-thin veneer of rosewood on a PLYWOOD fretboard. My first idea was to remove the frets and plane the board directly. I'm glad I didn't go that route. I did drill aligning holes for pins to align the board when re-gluing. Makes the job a whole lot easier.
@shoominati23
@shoominati23 7 жыл бұрын
Man, I just got the neck straight on my Squire vintage modified Jaguar HB (humbucker) special bass..Still buzzes on certain notes. Next order is a fender hi-mass bridge and a graphtech nut. It's amazing what an 8th of a turn does really! Just did my Classic Vibe Squier too.. No buzzing anywhere! just need some new pickups now.
@blackfender100
@blackfender100 6 жыл бұрын
I removed a fret board on a Dean years ago.I used a flat Iron. On top of the frets.Don't tell my wife.But i was shocked it did not take long and off it came in perfect shape.Your way seemed to work fairly well also.
@PseudoNym13
@PseudoNym13 4 жыл бұрын
This helped me ID the make of this little guitar I have The headstock, string bar and paper thin rosewood veneer were the giveaways. Its a cheaper model with only one pickup though
@smartmind23
@smartmind23 7 жыл бұрын
what an amazing guitar!
@harrypalmer3481
@harrypalmer3481 4 жыл бұрын
That was strangely soothing to watch, a bit scary, & then soothing. That guitar & your videos are the poodles plumbs!
@nerfnerfification
@nerfnerfification 7 жыл бұрын
Loved the Video - I have a similar era Kawai bass and it has exactly the same 'economical' use of rosewood frettboard facing. I found that out when the side binding dropped off one day. Loved the method but had a thought based on an Earlewhine picture. How about instead loosening off the truss rod, putting some washers under the nut, then clamping the neck down into a backbow (cutting a reverse bow board shape in say 2 by 4 to clamp it to) then tightening up the truss rod. The idea is that 'helping' the truss rod in this fashion may enable it to hold the neck straight from then on.
@shoppingamericanarecording5808
@shoppingamericanarecording5808 3 жыл бұрын
Mate that was awesome. Good job.
@gryzew
@gryzew 7 жыл бұрын
Question: if you have a neck with a bow like that, and you plain the fretboard side, doesn't the back of the neck still feel bowed? Meaning, isn't there a "humpy" feeling that it gets fatter in the middle but thinner again up towards the neck joint? Did you ever try fixing the bow by using clamps to introduce a backbow force, with or without applying heat? There are a few videos using varieties of that approach, but I always wondered about long term results. I also think, like other people mention, I wouldn't be plaining the neck without something to support the back, that's why you get surface inconsistencies and then gaps after regluing the board. The plainer is basically bending the neck as you work, more so towards the headstock.
@fongy200
@fongy200 3 жыл бұрын
I miss that sound in my house. All my kids are grown now, well both boys 20 and 16. Thanks Brad. i'll email you about the Pioneer mixer.
@MrMeatflaps
@MrMeatflaps 7 жыл бұрын
Ah stuff it, i guess after half a dozen vids I'll sub. nice work mate, really enjoy your content.
@woodsandbarclay
@woodsandbarclay 5 жыл бұрын
You're very talented very nice work
@stevehogan8829
@stevehogan8829 6 жыл бұрын
Ha, doing some reruns tonight.. It already has a thumbs up from me so I guess I enjoyed this lat year too. Great job..
@anderjl276ps
@anderjl276ps 7 жыл бұрын
great job Brad. I'm about to embark on a similar project myself. hopefully turns out as good as yours did.👍
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Good luck, John! Let us know how it turns out. Just take it slow. That is the key. Never get in any rush. Stopping and thinking costs nothing.
@johnpick8336
@johnpick8336 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting, great job. The big block is expensive ? To use the smaller sanding block you can use a black Sharpie to color the frets and the high points on the frets come shiny first after being planed by the sanding block. Remark the frets and keep using the sanding block to plane the fretboard until all the frets come uniformly shiny then recrown the frets.
@snowdiddley4634
@snowdiddley4634 7 жыл бұрын
Dude, I collect old Japanese guitars, Teisco, Guyatone, etc. Several need fret jobs, I several spares, think I'll just switch fretboards. Thanks a million.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
That's an idea. Just ensure the scale lengths are the same and widths, etc. Might be less work in the long run.
@SaultiBalldeip
@SaultiBalldeip 7 жыл бұрын
Cabinet scraper for the binding, always. Makes it super quick and easy :)
@marcryvon
@marcryvon 7 жыл бұрын
Hi ! I'm new here. Thanks a lot for showing me how to remove a fretboard. I recuperated my youth bass guitar from my late much talented but deeply depressed nephew who killed himself 4 years ago at 40. :( Anyway, I gave him my Japanese copy of the fame Höfner violin semi-acoustic bass when he was 14 years old. As he got in heavy metal rock with his kid friends, he destroyed it real good, he badly tweeked electronics, smashed body & repainted it in white. :(( Anyway, I decided to restore the thing as a memorial, stripped all the paint and had to remove the top since he re-glued at some time the sides using some kind of heavy stuff. I ordered a new set of electronics, controls etc. The neck now shows a serious bow so your vid couldn't be more helpful, thanks to you ! I still miss the rosewood, adjustable bridge... Hell, a site asks 75$ for a copy ! You wouldn't have used one in stock ?? Would be of great help of course, I'm now now retired - an old 68 year old fart - with limited $$$ of course... Oh and, the hum buckers test resistance ok but are numb. Any idea ?? Thanks for helping me out!
@diarrhea_splatter
@diarrhea_splatter Жыл бұрын
This is awesome!
@bkul44
@bkul44 6 жыл бұрын
really cool vid !!! you made it look do able not like its something you cant tackle on yourself
@danejurus69
@danejurus69 4 жыл бұрын
Cool looking guitar.
@jdisom
@jdisom 6 жыл бұрын
How did the fret leveling block exactly work...it wasn't in the video..good stuff!!
@StephenTack
@StephenTack 7 жыл бұрын
With the fretboard off would their be a different way than planing to straighten the neck? Perhaps steam/hot water and clamping it with some back bow? Then washer on the truss rod?
@leesbassment6393
@leesbassment6393 7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't pull the first and last fret, and drill a little pin whole for alignment. It makes gluing them back on so much easier. Nice repair overall. Did you force the neck into a slight backbow when gluing the board on? I had to do that with a Spector Rebop 5 bass I have. Good times.
@JamesMcCutcheon
@JamesMcCutcheon 5 жыл бұрын
I need to straighten and old Silvertone Faux Tiger 15 Dollar Parlor guitar strings left on this 1963 made. It has no truss rod. Is it possible to straighten.
@einarabelc5
@einarabelc5 7 жыл бұрын
I like your work bench, wish I could do it like that.
@ricklee4513
@ricklee4513 2 жыл бұрын
Why have you not masked off the headstock front to prevent it being damaged when you were planning the neck?
@Paul-gz5dp
@Paul-gz5dp 5 жыл бұрын
I have an odd question that I have not figured out yet... What would make the tone change when picking the strings. The harder the lower the tone, and as the string volume goes down on this electro-acustic the tone goes up. It is impossible for me to tune it.
@mybluesable
@mybluesable 4 жыл бұрын
Nice save
@janbill79
@janbill79 Жыл бұрын
So, how did taking the fret board off and put it back on straighten the neck? was the shaving/plaining you did just on the high ends?
@olgoat52
@olgoat52 6 жыл бұрын
Some good ideas here. I have always used dry heat but it can easily trash the binding so your hot water idea might be a bit safer in that regard. Norrmally you want to clamp that board once it is off the neck as it cools. Also good to scrap off the glue while hot. Lastly popping two frets (1 and 14) and using two steel pins (finish nails) to re-register the position the board when gluing it back on is a big help with a fixed bridge type of guitar like this. Thanks for the video. Great to see some other ideas for those of us set in our ways. :)
@Strongholle
@Strongholle 7 жыл бұрын
I've got an old harmony acoustic with the steel reinforced neck that needs just a slight bit less relief. Is it possible to clamp it down somehow and reduce the backbow, if it's just a small adjustment that's needed?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
You're saying the neck has TOO MUCH backward relief? That's an unusual problem on a Harmony. Most of those need a neck reset or, the easier thing is this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIqvemiahpaabtk
@CallMeBigWorm
@CallMeBigWorm 2 жыл бұрын
Less than 2 minuets for the next 10 inches... that's what she said!! Bahaha!! Omg I died laughing!! 😂😂😂
@humnpwr
@humnpwr 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video
@bishlap
@bishlap 5 жыл бұрын
What's up w/ the "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" BG music? Good video. Thanks.
@fy7589
@fy7589 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Brad, i wish i found this good videos like 15 years ago or so. I'd probably become a luthier and amp repair guy rather than a software engineer.
@williamgarrett9479
@williamgarrett9479 6 жыл бұрын
An easy fix would be to take off the bridge, remove the two adjustment screws, put the bridge back without the screws, and this will lower the action suffiently to make it play much easier. I know because i did this to similiar electric guitars back in the 70's.
@commandhtf
@commandhtf 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing work!
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Hope it helps someone. There are a lot of good lutherie videos on the net already, so I rarely bother filming this kind of stuff when I do it.
@stevenedwards4470
@stevenedwards4470 7 жыл бұрын
You should...if its not too much extra trouble. People who watch this type of thing don't get tired of it and you often have very eclectic specimens...so its interesting
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. I know you're probably right.
@sammybrahma3200
@sammybrahma3200 6 жыл бұрын
Did you ease the truss rod before gluing the neck to the fretboard? I really felt you should've gave the neck support during hand-planing.
@mtwseneca
@mtwseneca 6 жыл бұрын
I have use a heat / bend / pressure to straighten both a real bad back bow and using the same deal on a normal bow. With the finger board off, I tie down the body to my table with a ratchet strap and a couple shims where needed, move the neck with pressure (maybe 5 to 10 pounds) in the desired direction and heat (I switched from a heat gun to an clothes iron with a steel bar underneath). The wood transmits heat very slowly into the neck. Heat for a couple hours with the iron on high, let cool, release and check straightness. If it is not enough, repeat with more clamping tension. I have not done this with the fingerboard still on the neck, I suppose much more heat time is required. It really bothers me to plane down the neck as you are removing strength therein and bowing may come more readily later on. Mike
@robertcaffrey6097
@robertcaffrey6097 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a very cool looking guitar I was hoping you would demo the sound. Great to see you saved it from the bonfire. Have you ever looked at any of "Rosa String Works" repairs? that man is the most amazing instrument repair guy I have ever seen. He really does bring instruments back from the dead. Truely amazing knowledge and problem solver.
@Tricknologyinc
@Tricknologyinc 7 жыл бұрын
The knife is an artist's palette knife!
@crazyuncleduke8012
@crazyuncleduke8012 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad, As always a great video of resurrecting the dead. I don't agree with some of the ways you tackled this project but that's just me being one of the old farts of my generation. The one tip that I'd like to share with you to "antique" plastic binding is by taping off the surrounding surfaces and using a small paintbrush soaked in hot 3 day old coffee to stain the plastic to the desired effect. For sure it can be labor intensive at times to get it correct but that's how us old dudes did it back in the day. Outside of scraping all the binding back to the same color it seemed like a cost effective alternative. On top of it there was always a reason to tell the boss why you were still on "coffee break"... LOL
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
I'm skeptical on the coffee on plastic trick. :D You'll have to make me a video sometime showing that. I've always used lacquer to accomplish that blending.
@Tricknologyinc
@Tricknologyinc 7 жыл бұрын
Instead of removing all that material, why not heat and bend the neck? Looks like the bridge is still bottomed out and would have benefited from this. Is there any chance the truss rod nut was just running out of thread and just needed washers added to assist in that end? Any idea how they anchor the truss rod in the heal of that neck?
@jonellis2134
@jonellis2134 7 жыл бұрын
did you back off the truss rod so you have something to play with in terms of adjustment after or did you leave it fully tensioned?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Good question. Yes, I did back off some. Over time, the neck will want to go back to the banana shape so I gave the neck a very slight backbow to compensate for that future movement and to further improve the angle. The alternative was to remove the neck, and no way I was attempting that maneuver.
@wulfanson1888
@wulfanson1888 5 жыл бұрын
As for removing set necks, use a pressure cooker. Attach 2 ft of fuel line with screw down hose clamps. At the steam out end clamp in one of those air inflation needles used on footballs and basketballs. I use a clothes iron to soften glue under any fretboard extension glued to the top (on steel string flat tops and classical guitars), then putty knife to pry it up. Remove a couple frets and drill down through the fret slot to get the needle all the way into the dovetail joint or whatever. On a flat top you can use flat pieces of maple under the heel and on the top (both sides) as cauls to distribute the pressure, and gently (just a couple pounds at a time) apply downward force to the body with iron C clamps. Be gentle, be patient, and that neck will just back right out in about 45 minutes. No damage, no fuss. As for gluing the fingerboard back on, use a staple gun. Put one in each end of the fingerboard underside and cut the staple off close with end cutters. Carpenters glue is slippery. Makes holding it in place easier. Then you can clamp the daylights out of it with Cast Iron C clamps. Use at least a half inch of newspaper or phone book between the back of the neck and the clamp. No dents, no finish damage that way. You may get newspaper glued to the finish, but a washcloth and warm water will work it off even 24 hrs after you let it set before taking it out of the clamps.
@Iam_Dunn
@Iam_Dunn 6 жыл бұрын
1:55 “I don’t know if this is going to show up in the video?” ... as we look down to see an awesome “ski jump” .... LOL.. :)
@ajaxpowder
@ajaxpowder 4 жыл бұрын
More content like this please.
@r.f2173
@r.f2173 5 жыл бұрын
How long did this whole project take you?
@stevenleek1254
@stevenleek1254 7 жыл бұрын
File is OK if you're going to dress the frets anyway. I don't understand how, after "rough planing" the kick up at the top (did it kick up at the tongue?) you didn't full-length sand the neck while checking for any gaps. Am I just being "Trained" by Stew-Mack to buy more tools? Otherwise, I think this is a helpful video. Thanks!
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
I am very gung ho in my repair approach. You can get as fiddly with this as you like. If it was a really high end guitar, I'm sure I would have taken more precautions and been more precious about it.
@semilivesixstringstrumist5595
@semilivesixstringstrumist5595 6 жыл бұрын
Just saying that is a cool looking guitar man! I love chrome.
@shoominati23
@shoominati23 7 жыл бұрын
Man with a set of Lollar or TV Jones pickups, that thing could be a weapon..
@bringbackthe1960sppl
@bringbackthe1960sppl 6 жыл бұрын
My dad's old tesico also has just a strip of rosewood also, it's corroded away and you can see ply wood as the true fretboard. Also nice joke from your wife haha
@joehiles1420
@joehiles1420 5 жыл бұрын
is there any way to avoid making the neck skinnier?
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
That is the most cyberpunk guitar I think I have ever seen, and possibly that I ever will see outside of some custom job.
@bluesman4894
@bluesman4894 4 жыл бұрын
So you don't need a wire brush?? I was planning on cleaning my Strat and have the brush here. Some other Southeast Asian channel suggested that is the best tool for the job. I also plan on going to locking tuners so I have taken my current tuners completely apart.
@fritsvanzanten3573
@fritsvanzanten3573 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but one thing is not clear to me. The neck was bowed, so the action was too high. I expected the neck to be unbowed, but apparently the neck is not un-bowed (straightened), but (instead) eventually made thinner to make the action lower? I once brought an old acoustic, 'famous' among friends for it's playability and low action to a shop for restringing, new tuners and a clean-up. When I got it back the neck was bowed (high action) and the truss-rod couldn't correct it anymore. The shop said you could never predict how old guitars (old glue) respond to cleaning fluids, so this can happen (I wasn't warned in advance this could happen), so my bad. The guitar wasn't valuable, but I lost a dear friend. So I was very interested in the bowed neck.
@ShadesWade
@ShadesWade 7 жыл бұрын
i have a model similar to this one, on the back of the headstock i found chrome sticker listed as "VN-4". still not quite sure if its a norma,or a kay, or a who knows what. if your interested shoot me a message dude. would love to know what it is!
@untilitsleeps087
@untilitsleeps087 5 жыл бұрын
Just did this to a dean ML, except the truss rod went through the back of the neck, so I'm replacing the truss rod and fixing the hole
@michaeld.mcclish
@michaeld.mcclish 5 жыл бұрын
My first electric guitar was almost the exact model, but with only two pickups, but exact same shape, tremolo, chrome plates, neck(thick as a tree), but it was called a "St. George" I was torn between a Gibson Melody Maker and the St. George, and stupid me took the St. George because it was "flashier" Shows you how naive I was. This was back in 1965, started my first band with it. It would really help to show the changes by measuring before and after the string heights, etc. and showing it on the video.
@RabeHighPerformance
@RabeHighPerformance 7 жыл бұрын
I have a problem with my 2002 fender squire p bass guitar. the fretboard is halfway separate from the neck.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Couple ways you can go with that, you can inject glue into the opening and clamp, or remove the board entirely and reset.
@FretFriendGWaL
@FretFriendGWaL 5 жыл бұрын
Not the way I would have done it but if it worked, well done...
@frankredwood6103
@frankredwood6103 3 жыл бұрын
How much do you charge for this?
@MsPareidolia
@MsPareidolia 4 жыл бұрын
Was not expecting such an "awww" moment in the middle with the wife comment
@stevencollins507
@stevencollins507 7 жыл бұрын
so did planing the neck return this guitar to playable ?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. Played nicely.
@stevencollins507
@stevencollins507 7 жыл бұрын
Thank u for the reply i have a silvertone 1445 mosrite copy with a roller coaster neck ,thinking this might be the only hope for this neck.
@SpringDivers
@SpringDivers 7 жыл бұрын
My first electric guitar was a Teisco Del Rey 4 pickup model. A real twanger.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
I have one of those two right now.
@tatialo37
@tatialo37 6 жыл бұрын
My first geetar along with a tiesco cm30 round amp!
@thomasbaker4657
@thomasbaker4657 6 жыл бұрын
can also go to any artist supply source. ask to see their ' pallet knives'. have fun .
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 6 жыл бұрын
My knife still works well, but that's probably where I'll buy my next one.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 4 жыл бұрын
i hope you clean that stuff growing on the pickups and frets off too...
@philbarrows424
@philbarrows424 6 жыл бұрын
Aren’t you supposed to wrap the neck completely with the rubber band straps? Or is that just for binding installs?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. And I actually have several of those rubber bands for that purpose. Not sure why I didn't use them here. I guess I just forgot about having them and went with my old method of doing it. If I had it to do again, I'd use the bands! Well spotted! The only problem with using those is cleaning the excess glue becomes a bigger chore because you have to mess with the rubber bands.
@philbarrows424
@philbarrows424 6 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, those bands would make glue cleanup a nightmare. I had a very similar Teisco model. Great video, peace Brad👍🏻🎸
@MrRonk55
@MrRonk55 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, this is a SEVEN BOLT neck! I have a Lindell-branded two pickup model very similar to this, and after taking off the plate(and discovering that two of the holes were stripped), I found two flat head screws, one I could remove, but the other lacquered or glued in, plus the neck itself apparently glued. This instrument obviously was designed to withstand Godzilla! I'm going to attempt clamping the neck to adjust the truss rod, but adding a shim seems to be out of the question. I'm not quite ready to go "Nuclear" yet.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
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@thomastommy1192
@thomastommy1192 7 жыл бұрын
The Guitologist Remove one of the bottom frets at the neck joint. Drill two polit hole's. Then steam it off.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. What you suggest works with acoustic guitars, and it is the way I usually go about removing the necks on acoustics, but doesn't work so much with electrics. There is no cavity in there for the steam to exit a second hole. In any case, pilot holes through the top under the frets are unnecessary since we already have some screw holes in the neck already. Resetting the neck wasn't going to fix our neck bow issue in either case.
@chaisehombre7723
@chaisehombre7723 7 жыл бұрын
I've got two words for ya...Heat Gun.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
To each his own, but I avoid heat guns on guitars. Heat guns are dry heat and not only will they loosen glue, they'll also delaminate stuff like the rosewood from the maple on the fretboard and cause shrinking and cracking of both wood and any plastic parts in the way, such as plastic inlays. Heat guns are more destructive than hot water. Wood is usually more resilient to application of water to the surface than dry heat.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
The glues used on most guitars react with hot water to dissolve. This includes both the modern yellow wood glue types and the old hide glue.
@ellerbrock-guitarandbassre6421
@ellerbrock-guitarandbassre6421 4 жыл бұрын
Oh boy! All due respect, but so many things overlooked here: no indexing nails for the fretboard, so you can put it back exactly where it was before removal; no scoring the finish between neck and binding to prevent lacquer from chiping; planing wihtout proper support and without protecting the body and headstock (the planer is literally thumping against the headstock!); clamping the fretboard from the ends towards the center (again without indexing nails); did you clean old glue and true up the fretboard's lower surface before gluing?; crowning the frets without protecting the fingerboard... and the action doesn't really seem all that much lower after all. Then again, it's just a quick camera shot so maybe I'm wrong. I think trying a heat press to remove excessive relief would've been worth a shot before going through all this work. They're usually pretty good for these kinds of situations.
@MegaTubescreamer
@MegaTubescreamer 3 жыл бұрын
in all fairness ,the instrument was unplayable, as it was, so the work carried out was always going to be an improvement ,has rescued this individual from the guitar graveyard, and considered economy of effort, don`t you think !
@rohankhemraj
@rohankhemraj 6 жыл бұрын
Those frets looked really low. How do you decide when to refret?
@optimisticmike1041
@optimisticmike1041 4 жыл бұрын
When the frets buzz or they feel worn through. You usually can look at a fretboard and tell if it needs a refret lol
@apirlcreakman9229
@apirlcreakman9229 2 жыл бұрын
why not add a new improved truss rod? just curious
@johnwhite5818
@johnwhite5818 5 жыл бұрын
I've gone nuclear one a 1900s mando. It's a lot of work. Yours was neater than mine.
@victordelanietze4998
@victordelanietze4998 7 жыл бұрын
Cool trick with hot water I have not tried that before. But I really don't understand why you desided to plane down the neck, loosing material from the neck is not a good thing it makes it weaker and you end up with a mismatched fretboard. Surely the best thing would be to bend the neck straight and replace the truss rod.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful comment, and some valid points! I could have removed the truss rod, and placed the neck under steam and backward pressure for a time and maybe gotten it straight again. If this was a 30s Martin or something like that where every effort would pay dividends, you're right, it's worth doing that. But there's no real guarantee it would even have worked on this neck. These early Kawai guitars, and all the early Japanese stuff was hit and miss on wood curing. They didn't do the best job building with fully cured woods that would not warp with climatic change and time. So really, in this case, I'm kinda doing what they should have done at the factory - shaped the neck AFTER proper curing time. In this case the curing time was 50 years. :) As for the concern over weakness, the neck is mahogany. THere's enough material left that with the fretboard laminated on, the neck is still plenty strong.
@the_lancaster_libertarian
@the_lancaster_libertarian 6 жыл бұрын
I have a teisco audition. Same deal. To do this to mine, what would it cost me? Id obviously cover shipping costs.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 6 жыл бұрын
It's probably around a 3-hour job in total with a setup. So in the $180 range, probably.
@the_lancaster_libertarian
@the_lancaster_libertarian 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I got the guitar and amp from my father. It came with an airlinr model 6000 that buzzed so loud i couldnt hear any notes. It had somr funky 35w4 and little 12au6 and t6 tubes. Once i get everything rounded up ill have to contact you
@the_lancaster_libertarian
@the_lancaster_libertarian 6 жыл бұрын
The Guitologist i really love the channel. Thanks for taking us along with you
@leinie6683
@leinie6683 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure Id use original titebond,- I dont think youll ever be able to remove the fretboard again . Hyde glue looses with heat. Then again if you got it straight - it may never need removing. I have a similar issue with a guitar and am considering all the options and your method looks like it would be a much better and permanent fix than heating and bending the neck with pressure. I love the working in the kitchen thing- real life all the way ! thanks
@michaelmoody4133
@michaelmoody4133 Жыл бұрын
Titebond absolutely will let go with heat. Always does.
@TomTobin67
@TomTobin67 6 жыл бұрын
I like the tuning machines.
@bryantcrawford214
@bryantcrawford214 5 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Hendrix first guitar was kinda like this one.his was just like the other one you have a video of that has the lines in the pick guard.nice
@kevdean9967
@kevdean9967 4 жыл бұрын
After the broom Jimi graduated to his first guitar which was a Danelectro I believe.
@kazkylheku1221
@kazkylheku1221 Жыл бұрын
So that's what fretboard "binding" is for; it hides things like the rosewood just being a veneer.
@einarabelc5
@einarabelc5 7 жыл бұрын
Love the Soundtrack, what is it?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Not sure, but sounds like I was rockin' the Glenn Miller.
@bobbouley
@bobbouley 7 жыл бұрын
Really great video, keep em coming! What's the tool you're using at 12:15?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
It's a plane: amzn.to/2hUyy3W
@bobbouley
@bobbouley 7 жыл бұрын
The Guitologist Thank you!
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4TJfH2Pj8iIo6s
@HeliBenj
@HeliBenj 5 жыл бұрын
Could have used indexing pins
@Sander_H
@Sander_H 7 жыл бұрын
It took you half an hour to get the fret board off??? Mine just came off with a putty knife without heat or water in 2 minutes! They must have used the fancy glue on yours ;) Mine's a Kawai S70 without a trussrod but with a big piece of iron T-bar down the middle of the neck. My fretboard is plywood with a beautifull rosewood veneer. I'll de-banana the neck tomorrow and put it back together, thanks for the video!
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah man! The first two inches too half and hour. The rest of the board came off in about 2 minutes.
@haroldsteptoe6402
@haroldsteptoe6402 6 жыл бұрын
good work but you should of used some stronger clamps for holding down the fret board more pressure applied .....
@carltalbot9212
@carltalbot9212 7 жыл бұрын
I notice you used carpenters glue. I was always told to use luthiers resin glue because it gets like glass when hardened and that makes the parts resonate better. Am I just being old fashion. I seen a you tube video where a guitar shop used super glue on a very expensive martin and the guy did not even use yellow or blue tape to protect the finish while doing the repair. maybe just to old and and don't keep up with speed and slight differences in sound.
@queencitycutty9082
@queencitycutty9082 6 жыл бұрын
carl talbot nah dats knowledge... something's we need to retain... thanks for the tip..
@jenniferwhitewolf3784
@jenniferwhitewolf3784 6 жыл бұрын
Using hot animal hide glue would be my choice. It dries crispy hard for better tone, and farther down the road, it steams or hot-waters apart easier than modern yellow acrylic glues. Other than that, love this video. Made a player out of a wall hanger! Would have enjoyed hearing it... Don’t get to experience these rare oldsters often..
@TheRobman
@TheRobman 6 жыл бұрын
you can here it here, it's the last of the 4 guitars he plays: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKTUYpmpbpyZe7s
@roach2566
@roach2566 6 жыл бұрын
Ouch..That neck looks like my favorite guitars neck,but mine is neck-through .
@DeadKoby
@DeadKoby 7 жыл бұрын
For a "noob" these not-so-valuable guitars are a good place to start learning repair.
@tallthinkev
@tallthinkev 6 жыл бұрын
"not-so-valuable"? Not so much anymore, be very careful some are being sold for well over $300!!
@thevideosinc
@thevideosinc 6 жыл бұрын
tallthinkev >$300 >valuable Pick one
@versnellingspookie
@versnellingspookie 5 жыл бұрын
@@thevideosinc back to 4chan with you hahaha >;^)
@thevideosinc
@thevideosinc 5 жыл бұрын
@@versnellingspookie >cuckchan Naw, im actually straight
@OldPeepaw
@OldPeepaw 7 жыл бұрын
Wow.
@PrinceWesterburg
@PrinceWesterburg 5 жыл бұрын
What else are kitchen floors for?! :D
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