Brady Quinn on Mel Kiper Calling for a Ban on Two-High Safeties: "Dumbest Thing I Ever Heard"

2 PROS & A CUP OF JOE-Brady Quinn explains in depth to LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox the problem with Mel Kiper's rant that two-high safeties in the NFL are ruining the game.
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[@SocomElite]

Some of us actually love the run game & miss how the game was played 10 years ago. & I'm only 37. These new commissioners have destroyed the NFL & NBA

[@keithgupton9349]

Analitics has destroyed all sports!

[@daa_97]

Nah the former generation didnt pass down how things go are the reason for the product now

[@mauricewells7838]

Exactly and the run actually opens up the deep passing game. It’s almost like the game is turned to 7 on 7 in some cases

[@davidcovington1046]

I agree

[@jacobjones5269]

I gotta say baseball too.. Think about being a left handed pitcher and not being able to stymie the running game anymore?.. Because you can only disengage twice?.. I’d be hot about that!..

[@TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000]

Guy is legitimately crying about the defense being to good at...DEFENSE!!! Absurd.

[@evileyevalaus]

That's what took me out went from defense wins championships too the defense is too good 😭🤣🤣 there's already too many rules for the offense to be more effective anyway

[@williamhermann6635]

The problem is nobody runs the ball. Every offensive coach wants to show everyone hes the smartest guy in the building with their fancy pass concepts. Quit whining and run the damn football.

[@Ewalk03]

The chargers??

[@sffan10]

The thing is, the smartest offensive coaches all value running the football. Run into all these light boxes and set up the pass off of that.

[@williamhermann6635]

@@Ewalk03 What after 2 games? Im talking about the overall trend of the game over the last decade.

[@Jmw357]

It’s not 1970. The rules favor passing.

[@MinisterManDan]

@@Jmw357the league has over adjusted and we’re due for a correction. Thats also how football works, it’s a constant cat and mouse. League got pass happy, defenses have gotten smaller, and we’re gonna see the top offenses over the next few years be run oriented. Chargers are gonna be ground zero for it

[@chinaexpat1827]

QUINN IS 100, TODAYS SPORTS IN GENERAL HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN AND ON TOP OF THAT, SUBPAR ATHLETES ARE AMAZINGLY OVERPAID

[@davidcovington1046]

Exactly!

[@desmondbush8804]

Daniel jones comes to mind 😂

[@benjaminbrown5143]

I've been saying this for years. The NFL product has been not good for years

[@CutFromADifferentCloth7]

Wow, I was never really a Brady Quinn fan before he became a part of the media, but the more and more I listen to him the more and more I like him, his takes and opinions. Great Job Brady Quinn!

[@DeCurtaRican]

I only listen to those who played or coached and won at the highest level. You have failed or average-at-best QBs out here talking like they were Joe Montana! I don’t listen to those idiots, even if half of what they say is correct. Besides, Brady Quinn lost my respect with that hit-piece he published on Russell Wilson two years ago. It was cheap and unbecoming of any writer, let alone a respectable one.

[@11179221]

@@DeCurtaRicanokay?

[@langlang420]

@CutFromADifferentCloth7 yeah, if he knows so damn much why was he a total buster in his brief playing days???

[@CutFromADifferentCloth7]

@@langlang420 He has more accomplishments than you, made way more money than you and has been with very attractive women that you'd never even come close to getting with. He made a name for himself and made it to the NFL - you haven't done anything remarkable in your life please be quiet.

[@irandleIV]

He absolutely proves that it’s much easier said than done lol Listening to him you’d think he was Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on the field lol

[@agag2684]

"Brett Favre, when he was doing what he did"😂 has a new context nowadays

[@gabrielgalindo1]

Why does anybody take this man’s opinion seriously, he never played, he never coached, all he is is a huge fan like most of us. Any of us could be qualified to give our opinions and make hundreds of thousands of dollars for it

[@CashTheRealest]

Run the ball, those safeties will cheat. Then take the top off. It’s simple basics

[@keithgupton9349]

I think Mel Kiper could place some of the blame for the lack of the deep ball on. .1 The Bill Walsh West Coast Offense which played to Joe Montana lack of a strong arm. The ball was out of Joe Montana's hands quickly. A lot of offensive coordinators copied that model. The addition of the RPO to the NFL! The speed of the edge rusher! Also. Analitics infected the NFL. The bomb isn't considerd efficient offense!

[@Zippadeedoodaa-nt8om]

Walsh didn't create the short slant or the comeback route.

[@keithgupton9349]

​@@Zippadeedoodaa-nt8om I never said that he did. The West Coast Offense is designed for quick reads and getting the ball out of the QBs hands quickly

[@sffan10]

Explosive passing plays are absolutely considered efficient offense. Analytics loves QBs and offenses which can effectively push the ball down the field.

[@TLC11857]

Mel Kiper doesn’t want defense on the field at all smh

[@charlesdavis3142]

lol. Sounds like it. Melvin is like “make the defenses count to 10 Mississippi”.

[@danielthurber5586]

This ain't lob city it's waab city

[@sffan10]

The widespread use of shotgun is absolutely a problem, but IMO less so because of QB timing, but because it limits the effectiveness of the run game. The obvious counter to two high cover 4 and cover 6 looks is to run the ball into light boxes. Force the defense to bring a safety down into the box and then you can get your explosive plays over the top with play action.

[@jasonsamuels2578]

Excellent comment Brady (standing O)

[@jameswilliams3310]

OF COURSE KIPER DOES!! THIS THE SAME MAN THAT SAID DANIEL JONES WAS A CANT MISS PROSPECT!!! 😂😂

[@lionsden1984]

When someone names a bunch of people he watched! He has no knowledge

[@alifrombenhill3374]

Nobody practices. Off-season programs are limited. Football is about repetition. Offenses need cohesion, especially the line. Same in basketball. Everyone is skilled AF but they don't practice as units enough.

[@captainyami4605]

I think Brady was was talking about Mariotta

[@Patawon]

I was thinking Johnny Manziel

[@jesuscano9615]

I was thinking Rosen

[@captainyami4605]

Damn those are great guesses too

[@Jup-lg2or]

Im thinking that all you'll right !!!

[@alifrombenhill3374]

These coaches now teach their systems only. Zac Taylor and all them teach their systems, not the game of football. Same in college. Same in highschool

[@rowansps]

Mel Kiper is trying to distract from the fact that Jayden Daniels is better than Caleb Williams

[@TrueSaintly]

WHO IN THE HELL IS MEL KIPER

[@19eightyforeisnow]

He works at the post office.

[@KNByam]

If they get rid of defense, people will stop watching. Look at the NBA.

[@Merkathomas]

Why they use this picture of Kiper 😂 he look like he saying some gangster s**t!

[@danielthurber5586]

This ain't lob city it's waab city

[@lionsden1984]

I’m glad football players are breaking down schemes and football! Not journalists who don’t know what they are talking about! I’m starting to love football again!!!

[@rockjm9876543210]

REAL FOOTBALL IS BACK BABY! I couldn't stand this arena football league where it was no defense. Now you get to see real competitive football.

[@serrahighsfinest]

Your going to pay these RB's..Better get use to that idea.

[@alijordanx8954]

Nobody: Me with a drink in my hand: Who the heck is Mel Kiper? 🥃

[@Poboy448]

With all (lack of respect) for Kiper. He was born when Unitas was arguably at his peak. Unitas’s best years were behind him by the time Kiper was 10 to 12. Simply put, as always, Kiper is FOS.

[@atlantasveryown1206]

😂😂😂😂

[@donpearson2076]

Run and Gun, but what people are forgetting is you gotta run!! That’s the problem Kiper; don’t change the game. Coaches just need to adapt that’s why they’re coaches and your not.

[@rvflex1934]

So true about the quarterback position. It's been dumbed down.

[@kevinjackson313]

A lot of these coaches in youth football just get the fastest kid on the team and use him as qb so he can just run

[@damarquisreeder1057]

Ya'll let him in because he did all of that non guaranteed research on drafts and players. Now he feels like he played and really knows what the bleep he is talking about.

[@leecee9528]

You takeaway Cover 2 Defensive Coordinators will become extinct. And dont want 7 on 7 football Good take B.Quinn

[@ericmarks6322]

They need to go back to the defensive philosophy of separating the man from the ball or his head from his shoulders. Football is not football anymore with all these pussified rules about hitting people.

[@moltenmetal5645]

How does Mel Kiper even still have a job? His draft evaluations suck every year. Hey Mel you know what offenses was doing in the 60's, 70's and 80's to open up that long ball? They run the damn ball down the defenses throat.

[@HotSauce-mn1mp]

This is exactly why nfl will end up falling like arena football. I remember arena football used to make decent money and was played on nbc and then those numbers started looking like basketball scores and then ppl realized they appreciated the triump of offense over a good defense not just making it easier.

[@hay_w1re645]

Defense is already playing with both hands behind their back. Shut up Mel

[@Vam0629]

What a breakdown, Brady! Go Irish!

[@thomaswolf723]

I’m tired of the NFL trying to micromanage the play on the field every year. The officials have a tough enough job as it is without making yearly changes such as the new kickoff rule. Now a team must notify the opponent if it wants to attempt an onside kick. I wouldn’t be surprised if next year the NFL puts limits on field goal kickers because they are so good in this day and age.

[@CashTheRealest]

He listed guys that threw for 220 a game…

[@Jup-lg2or]

Leave the game alone it's fine. Way too many changes in the game already

[@brandonwilson4740]

The change to the intentional grounding rule is the root of all of this. When they started to allow qbs to thriw out of bounds if they were outside the tackle it gave way to athletic qbs making 1 read and then rolling out to buy time and see if coverage breaks down. That didnt happen before the rule change because you were getting sacked or penalized for throwing it away. The qb has nothing to fear by rolling outside. Russel Wilson made a career out of it and now that the mobility is gone he's useless. The NFL has systematically deleted the pocket passer from the game through its rule changes because they couldn't find enough "star qbs" to market.

[@DeCurtaRican]

*”Replacement Theory Politics: The NFL Version.”* Is that what we’re doing now? You hit the wrong note when you mentioned Russ, but we’ll get to that in a minute. He’s “useless?” Yeah, okay.😏 Let’s discuss this obvious aversion you have to (*ehem) “MOBILE QBs,” to put it delicately. You appear to believe the QB position should belong to so-called “classic pocket passers.” Why? Is it because a certain demographic just happens to fit into that class of QB due yo a variety of reasons? Your assumption reflects a lack of knowledge of the QB position’s roots. The QB was once nothing more than a third RB. It was a running position that morphed into a passing position to fool defenses and, by circumstance, wound up accommodating less athletic players. You had the QB, the HB, and the FB, and all three were athletic RUNNERS…bruisers! Hence, if anything, the QB position was always a running position and a dual-threat position before it morphed schematically into a position for players who typically had less athletic ability. So your replacement theory politics are backward: the QB position has evolved to include QBs who can run and pass! I suppose you also believe the FICTIONAL character James Bond should never be played by someone like Idris Ilba or Djimon Honsou. Any man-made construct can and should evolve. The QB position doesn’t belong to any class of athlete. It belongs to whatever athlete can make it work at a high level. If anything, the classic pocket/passer is a relic of the past that isn’t suited to succeed in the face of today’s faster, stronger, more agile defenders. Now, let’s discuss your woefully uninformed narrative on Russ. Russ is the first TRUE dual-threat QB, i.e., he was the first QB to play the game equally well as a passer AND a runner. No other QB can make that claim. You clearly didn’t watch Russ with a discerning, objective eye last year or in his previous years while in Seattle. If you had, you would know that Russ is more of a pocket-passer who can run than a runner who can pass. In fact, Russ’s passer rating from inside the pocket has been higher than outside the pocket for much of his career! He is as dangerous from the pocket as any other passer, but he has rarely had a pocket from which to throw. He’s also Very adept at hitting receivers over the middle when the opportunity exists. He has been reluctant to do it, but he can do it. Furthermore, QBs have moved away from using the middle of the field in general. It’s not just Russ. It’s EVERYBODY, including Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes. You should also know that Russ’s own coach was trying to tank at his expense last year. Sean Payton most notably threw games against the Raiders, Lions, and Patriots, and there were others. The only legitimate loss the Broncos had in their first 6 games last year was to the Dolphins, and Payton purposely embarrassed Russ by leaving him on the field when the game was already decided. He tried to provoke violence from Russ three times in efforts to have Russ’s contract voided. It had nothing to do with Zeus and everything to do with the Walton-Penner Group’s business model. The Waltons are cheap and always will be. There was no reason Russ shouldn’t have had double-digit wins in 2023, except for the fact that Sean Payton was clearly given marching orders by ownership to sabotage Russ and move up the draft board to try to get a shot at Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. That was stupid on Broncos ownership’s part, and letting Russ get away is going to completely backfire on them. Not only can Russ still move, he remains one of the more dangerous QBs in the league at running, and his arm is still exceptional. He may have lost half a step, but it’s half a Russ step, not half a Brady step.😏 He was the 8th ranked rushing QB in the league last year on mostly non-designed runs, and he did it in 15 games instead of 17 like the guys ranked above him. He can still give you 400-500 yards per season. His problem over the last three years has been garbage coaches (Pete Carroll included) and more garbage for surrounding players outside of DK and Lockett. If Russ had been with the Steelers last year, the Steelers would’ve been a SB team! Here are Russ’s 2023 rankings with a coach sabotaging him by keeping the playbook closed, no run game, ONE reliable receiver, an inconsistent at best O-Line, and a horrible defense: #1 in 4th Qtr comebacks (4) #1 in Game-Winning Drives (4) #2 in Adj. Completion Rate (78.8%) #2 in TD% (5.9) #4 in Completion Differentials #5 in TD-INT Ratio (26:8) #7 in Passer Rating (98.0) #8 in QB Rushing (341, 15 games) #9 in TDs (26) #9 in INT Rate (1.8) #10 in INTs (8) #11 in Completion% (66.4%) According to Sports Info Solutions (SIS), Russ completed 6 passes of 40+ air yards past the original LoS (for 301 yards), good for #1 in the NFL. 4 of those 6 went for TDs. The 2 that didn’t were drops by his WRs. He attempted 16 such passes, 10 of which were deemed on target and none of which resulted in an INT…0 INTs!

[@jameswilliams3310]

AND THE BEST OF THE NFL WAS NOT IN THE 1960S MEL!!! WHAT BEFORE BLACK PLAYERS WERE OFFICIALLY "ALLOWED?" 😂😂😂😂

[@langlang420]

@jameswilliams3310 oh please hush. Every damn subject is not an excuse to cry black. Y'all just don't know how sad all of you look when you say dumb things like that that have no relevance at all to the topic. Get your life together and you wouldn't have to whine on a chat board.

[@jakeMontejo3272]

Mel is 🗑️ - always was, always will be. Everything he represents is what’s wrong not only in football or sports but in life.

[@bigbangbobby]

If they’re playing 2 high run the damn ball that’s all you have to do lol . 2022 eagles are a great example of this . They manufactured a lot of deep shots because teams needed to stop the run game .

[@vaughnwalker9473]

Fans want good football not more passing not more rushing but better execution. As a fan that’s all you can expect from athletes at the highest level.

[@ghawk77]

Mel is irrelevant, which is why he made the statement.

[@jacobjones5269]

Here’s an idea?… Run the football!.. Set that deep passing game stuff up with the running game..

[@trumpdrago517]

I halfway agree. I don’t think ban cover 2 but adjust it. Maybe you can’t press AND do cover 2 at the same time. That man cover 2 press is kinda a cheat code

[@AyoJC]

Shut up it’s football why water it down even more it wasn’t an issue when it’s 50 Tds getting scored but now you have to use coaching it’s an issue

[@donteviushannah7215]

Or hear me out just get better on offense coaching and scheme wise lol why punish the defense for being good at their job

[@benjaminbrown5143]

Brady Quinn is 100% correct

[@MisterMxyzptlk1972]

Mel has a point, there's too much short passing game and it's boring. I miss the 20-30 yard throws, never mind the long bomb throws.

[@serrahighsfinest]

Football evolves. Defensive coordinators have adapted to these QBs putting up 400yds a game. Gotta run the ball.

[@sffan10]

Why stop at banning 2 high? Just make the defense play with 10 men. Mel Kiper is a joke.

[@jonathanstewart4800]

First of all, I have no idea how Mel has had a career in the NFL media. He’s a joke. Second, as good as those QBs may have been at the time, I don’t think any of them would be successful today. The athleticism of NFL players and athletes in general has grown exponentially over the past few decades.

[@rodriguezpierre81]

Y’all think Quinn was passionate about this topic?! Sheesh! 😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@Dbo_Sports]

You can tell that Brady’s a West Coast guy. West Coast concepts at Notre Dame and in the pros. Under center… 3-5 step drop and ball out before the receiver changes direction. Real football! Not Lamar Jackson/Josh Allen schoolyard football, with scramble drills on every 3rd down.

[@uclamike11]

Mel Kiper doesn’t know if it’s pumped or stuffed.

[@rayshaunjackson8478]

Oline play around the league has been horrible the past couple years.

[@anthonymirkovich5156]

Montana?young? Etc … run the ball make the safety’s come up

[@ramprat5812]

Music was also better when I was young

[@HotSauce-mn1mp]

Result of a guy who’s never played but has a credible role in the league think he knows what he’s talking about

[@langlang420]

damn this Quinn guy giving a take or the damn Gettysburg Address?? He sure talks a lot for some sob who was a total bust. What qb school did he go to? Certainly not the one where they teach you not to throw the ball to the guys wearing a different color jersey.

[@jakemiller270]

Most QB fail so no shame. Plus Brady was a late first round pick that fell in the draft for a reason.

[@langlang420]

@@jakemiller270 say what??? Opposing sentences, neither makes any sense.

[@apex_prowler95]

How many downs has Kiper put in? Just asking...

[@HUDDY85]

Stetson Bennett

[@Bentley7Cruize]

Lol ive never heard so.eone talk about deep shots in the 60s. They always talk anout ru. Game and defense. What is mel talking about? 😂

[@silvergold2140]

and Kiper is just a fast talking Hyster, look at his last 5 drafts.. he's angry..

[@marshallduvall1102]

Show me a team who's offense is more exciting to watch than the RUN , PASS, OPTION RAVENS ! LAMAR JACKSON has ruined football for me ! I dont want to watch other teams ! Its boring ! Kiper is a KOOK !

[@twodogs5395]

Before the season they advertise first NFL season where half of the starting QBs are black. Oh by the way it's also the worst quarterback play in history and quarterbacks run more than ever now too. Funny how that works.

[@Zippadeedoodaa-nt8om]

Mediocrity is the new excellence.

[@mauricewells7838]

Well that’s quite r*cist of you. Also blame the coordinators that run mostly spread concepts.

[@GoonzRUs712]

That’s an incredibly hyperbolic statement. Can you proof that through two games it’s historically the worst QB play in history. Just because the offense aren’t averaging 30+ points a game doesn’t mean it’s because of the QBs are black. The best QB in the league and soon to be in history is black. And what of the other 50% of QBS? Why are they playing so poorly?

[@GoonzRUs712]

Let’s not forget how they heavily skewed the rules of the game in the offense’s favor over the course of 20ish years to allow the offenses to put up big numbers. Now we’re upset because the defenses adapted. This was a sh*t take

[@williamhermann6635]

​@@mauricewells7838 Noticing a trend isnt racist. That word has lost all meaning.

[@charlesdavis3142]

Mel Kiper wants the Defensive lineman to count to 10 Mississippi before rushing

[@DanaBlack8]

Cover 2 has been around since football started its not the problem the problem is referees pick who they want to win