Brand New Hornby Thompson Class A2/2 | Unboxing & Review

[@lukeslocomotives]

"Notice how much more careful I am being with a model costing nearly £200" 6:55 *Dangles loco by tender*

[@mrbluesky2050]

hahaa... what you said, ! ( see above )

[@SamsTrains]

It's a safe way of holding a loco one handed without applying any lateral force to the drawbar... they're designed for longitudinal force like that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@EC-ms1jr]

That tender doesn't fit with that loco well.

[@willhooker9567]

@@EC-ms1jr Indeed. We’re probably all used to Gordon’s tender by now!

[@alexn643]

Hahaha, I was about to comment that lmao 😆

[@garrymartin6474]

I never knew "Mucus Green" was a British Railways livery ! spoils it for me.

[@SamsTrains]

haha mucus green - that's exactly what it is!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stevesmith9602]

Snot green. Hahaha

[@carnivorousvegan69]

U wouldn't like gwr then

[@ayeshafenner7180]

Garry Martin would you fancy Great Eastern green then? Or Great Northern green?

[@lukeslocomotives]

Was going to buy, glab I saw this 1st and don't think I will now. So, thanks Sam you just saved me £200

[@SamsTrains]

No worries mate - yeah overall I can't recommend this one! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@liamgough6520]

I have to say the same

[@rossnation8092]

Hi Sam, great video! If you want more info on the Thompson Pacific’s check out Railway Manias video featuring Simon A.C Martin. It’s very interesting. It’s called Edward Thompson hero or villain. I thoroughly recommend it! The reasons behind the rebuild are very interesting. Especially when the prototypes availability figures (time available for service) improved after the rebuild. Anyways keep up the great work, Ross.

[@SamsTrains]

Hey Ross, thanks so much for this - that sounds great! It rings a bell actually - I may have even seen it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

I was going to recommend this video too! It's a fascinating interview, esp. for someone like me who didn't understand what the furor against Thompson was about.

[@rossnation8092]

@@sharkymcsharknose2979 it’s a brilliant insight into Edward Thompson and honestly anything Simon Martin doesn’t know about the LNER isn’t worth knowing. I’m currently awaiting my A2/2 and A2/3 so whilst I’m waiting I’m building a kit of an A2/1 and the A1/1 great northern.

[@TheRiverLeW]

Another commenter also said this, but I would very highly recommend listening to/watching Railway Mania’s podcast episode on Edward Thompson or reading Peter Grafton’s “Edward Thompson of the LNER.” Both are examinations of Thompson and his engines using contemporary reference material such as actual archived records from LNER/BR days on the engines’ availability figures and time spent in the works. Both are insightful and unbiased, and give the listener/reader a lot to consider on whether or not Thompson is deserving of being remembered the way he is. Also, great review, as usual.😉

[@SamsTrains]

I will definitely look into that Bennett, it sounds like a good watch! Thanks a lot for sharing, Cheers, Sam :)

[@Ethan-jc2nx]

That one of the coolest models I’ve ever seen !!!

[@SamsTrains]

I know - it's super unusual isn't it?! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stevesmith9602]

It’s an ugly beast compared to the Peppercorn.

[@daylightman8459]

You’ve obviously never seen models such as the Peckett W4 or B4? Or B1?

[@A.i.r_K]

When P2 and A1/A3 had a kid

[@Monarch526]

@@SamsTrains Could You Please Give Me Bachmann Henry + Tracks and Trucks Please I am Begging You

[@dcg12b]

Great review. I was sitting tight on making a decision on this. While I'm pleased this unusual loco has been made in model form, the price, quality and livery are a problem. All the other BR Green models in the siding have much better representations of BR Green than the A2/2. Maybe if the price comes down in the future, then I may consider buying it. Thoroughly enjoyed yet again. Can't wait for the next new model to be reviewed by you! :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing mate - yeah that's right, those are a problem really! So glad you liked the review though, Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@greenerell484]

currently there are some for sale on hatton's for 109 pounds if you are interested

[@clintmeyer2112]

Been watching your videos over the years and you are progressing wonderfully! The enthusiasm is great dont loose it as you get older! I love the concern over the price. Here on the other side of the pond a pacific is $300.00 on up! The concern over the paint glossiness is fantastic in my mind. Here in the USA even if only one steam engine example remains from a large fleet, unless there is dull paint, lots of rust, blow down residue all over, then there is hell to pay for not looking as it did near end of steam or as delivered all black. Now if you paint the smoke box silver as they did for safety, and looks when shops had time, trim paint the tires /running boards white, then that is a sign of poor restoration. For me, it is a treat to see UK surviving steam engines dressed up! Great videos

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Clint, really appreciate that! Yes I think it's important to talk about these issues - hopefully we'll see some improvements as a result! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@chrisredding6673]

Thompson had a 'thing' about all three con rods being the same length, making for some weird-looking engines :-)

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah - it's definitely a weird one isn't it?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@richardhiggins6471]

The cylinders set back further than normal seems to upset many people, but I've never heard GWR fans complain that Castles and Kings are ugly even though their cylinders are set back in exactly the same way (though not quite so far). Same goes for the Stanier Princess Elizabeth class. Having cylinders between the first and second bogie wheels just looks more natural (Gresley and Peppercorn Pacifics, Collet Hall and Manor classes).

[@lukeslocomotives]

@@richardhiggins6471 the kings castles stars and lizzies needed the cylinders far back

[@chrisredding6673]

@@richardhiggins6471 Thompson pacifics had divided drive, with the centre cylinder driving the front axle. Gresley's locos all drove on the second axle, with the centre cylinder much higher to allow the con rod to clear the front axle. Thompson was a 'martinet', who was not missed by his staff when he left the LNER.

[@johnjephcote7636]

So Thompson picked Gresley's first baby - The A1 'Great Northern'. Not seen as a coincidence.

[@SushiDoge]

Sam this is sort of off topic for this type of video but I just wanted to say that I love your videos and I’m happy that you seem to be happy doing what your doing, you are one of the many reasons I got into model railroading and I highly appreciate that :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much for your kind comment mate, I really do appreciate that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thecaledonian4]

Oh my goodness, these are amazing! They’ll definitely sell out quickly.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, you may be right there! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@carlinemark5331]

More coming later in the year with another variant in the form of Earl Marshal.

[@Upguy-tj3gv]

I enjoy your content, I’m Mexican American and live in America, and I got to say I love your content, it’s really interesting learning more about trains from the UK, and models, I really hope you get to 100k in the next month, you are very underrated, and need MORE ATTENTION......anyways nice review as always!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much - really glad you like the videos! That would be amazing, really appreciate your support! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@halfofacouch2397]

Hello UP

[@Upguy-tj3gv]

@@halfofacouch2397 hello!

[@StaxRail]

In a way, I prefer the muted green over the Bachmann gloss green- it, to me at least, looks much more realistic and would fit better with other Hornby and Bachmann BR green locos in my collection. (Also, the Hornby website pics are usually only a representation- I really wish they weren't!)

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah one or two people have said that - in that case, it's a much better model for those who like it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@MrKenichi22]

I confess your teaching me what to look for in a good model, with your reviews

[@SamsTrains]

haha glad to hear that mate!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@MrKenichi22]

@@SamsTrains You are welcome Sam.

[@andrewdking]

As you know, I already own the Hornby P2 in its non Railroad posh form. I was both miffed and pleased at the same time when they announced two completely new hi-fi toolings of the P2 as the streamlined and the new build Prince of Wales 2007. I missed the fact that this A2/2 was yet a third version this year. I've ordered the first two. Now Hornby have been creating some lovely quality products lately, so this looks like a build quality and paint application disaster. I saw many more wonky components than you actually mentioned. That lining was awful. Someone built yours on a Friday afternoon, after they'd had a pint or three at lunchtime. Now in theory, paint of a said type, colour and lustre, whether applied to smooth plastic or metal, as long as its over a suitable paint primer, should look identical. That's should but isn't apparently. Some quality control issues going wrong here and Hornby should not have let your example out of the factory, but did ? I must say I quite like its appearance, it has some gravitas, but not as much as a P2.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Andrew - yeah I was confused by the new P2 announcement too... but bring it on I say! You're right - there were many more than I mentioned, quality sucked unfortunately! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@barnabykirk7662]

I’m glad the A1 steam loco trust are building a new P2, so that those who didn’t experience them in real life (and seeing as no one has seen one since the 1930s or something, I don’t think there are that many people who are still alive that saw these in LNER days) can do now. Models are one thing but the real thing is just unbeatable. Anyway great video Sam!

[@SamsTrains]

Me too - can't wait until it's done - very few people alive today got to experience the real thing (or at least can remember them!) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@adamwilliams192]

First time have seen you a bit annoyed this year Sam and I can’t say I blame you. That’s a fair wedge of cash for something that has this issues you point out, especially annoying when older models have something this doesn’t (gauge details etc). Well done for giving a fair review though, and I can’t recall seeing a big steamer running that well from new on your layout before.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, yeah this is the first time - certainly felt this one on the cash side... disappointed with the results! That's right - easily one of the best runners! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lukebarber9511]

Those "fin"-style deflectors are unusual in Britain (where either full-height or Witte [aka "German"-style] deflectors seem to be the norm), but are fairly common on steam engines in Poland and Romania (such as the Polish Ty 51, and Romanian 142).

[@LUNITUNZBackup]

I really hope he opens the next video with a skeleton prop, standing in for him.

[@SamsTrains]

haha, dammit - didn't think of that! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@elvisthetankfan9960]

@@SamsTrains do it

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

No one.

[@ryanworthvalley]

Great video Sam. Would love to see you do a review on the hornby pullman observation car. keep up the great work.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Ryan, I'd like that too - might be one I'll try some day! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@robmasterman]

Great review Sam, and another example of inconsistent production from one of the Big Boys...it's such a shame, as it would take relatively little effort to get these models to be top class....They'll get them right one day, but losing potential customers in the meantime....Bob

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Bob - yeah it's a great pity isn't it? Gutted with this one really! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@robbarker3324]

Thanks Sam , I agree entirely with your review ; I sent my A2/2 Thane of Fife back... Smoke box door was loose within the box , gaps in the cab to plate (could see the fitting lugs) and the same issues with the banding application etc. as you pointed out on this version and i have noticed the photos on Kernows website it has a missing lamp iron on the smoke box door ( Thane of Fife) and missing hand rail to the tender and the C O' N nameplate droops .. seriously considering cancelling my Hornby pre-orders ..this loco was hailed as the best ready to run model to date ..... agree it runs nicely mine never got that far ...Think if you can find a well built one ,keep hold of it ...there may not be many ....

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Rob, really sorry to hear that - no, not good enough for what we paid at all. I don't know who hailed this as the best rtr model to date, but they don't know what they're talking about! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@paddycoleman1472]

Hi Sam, interesting review and once again sad to see you have been hit by assembly issues. Are you able to fix these or is it a case of sending the loco back for a replacement? You really should contact Simon Kohler at Hornby and let him know your findings. It is a shame that a lovely model (with a significant price tag) has been let down like this.

[@SamsTrains]

Some of the issues you could fix... but short of a repaint, I can't see how I'd fix the livery! Hornby's is bad, but I'm not saying I could do better! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Matt-yj8bl]

Hi Sam brilliant video once again My grandad used to be a lampboy on the ecml and he remembers seeing this exact loco and laughing so much he threw up all over the signal. He never laughed at it again!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much mate - ahh good god, that sounds rough, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@darknut9696]

Could you do a video exchanging a 3 pole motor with 5 pole one? just an idea, great vid by the way

[@SamsTrains]

I am thinking about doing that - great idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TheUnknownSoul43]

@@SamsTrains I also want to see that idea too but I also want to see a video on how to change a valve gear if it breaks. Another idea could be how to add a flywheel to a loco that doesn't have one. (If possible)

[@peterball8241]

We always hope the latest model is the best yet, disappointing when it isn't. You provide a valuable service in showing the models in an unbiased review. Thanks

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's it Peter, really appreciate the kind words though - thanks very much! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thurstablelane7567]

If you're going to conduct an "accurate" history of this class, please take a look at the Railway Mania Podcast Featuring Simon AC Martin regarding Edward Thompson, you will find why Thompson rebuilt these locomotives due to their lack of availability and continuing problems as P2's.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much for sharing - I will look into this! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ericholmes8665]

Yes i know why Thompson rebuilt them,but what a mess he made of them,just take one figure of 60501,total mileage 978,597,before rebuilding 616,461.after rebuilding 362,136 and it was more or less the same for the rest of others,heres another 60506 between 1945 to 1959 was shopped 30 times,compared to the then veteran Flying Scotsman with 11 visits in the same time,need any more be said,they were the worst LNER pacifics by far.

[@thurstablelane7567]

​@@ericholmes8665 I certainly wouldn't argue with the figures, the only thing you can argue with the figures is that 2001-60501 was the first built and will have more mileage overall. But I think with BR the policy was to start removing weaker classes and the A2/2 certainly wasn't on the top of the list. I feel the standing issue is that on any other of the 4 companies the P2's would have been scrapped. But I would like to have known why they didn't think to beef up the crank axle to try and achieve a better performance for the Locos...Guess we will never know.

[@ericholmes8665]

Hello Norton,i think if not for the war and Gresleys untimely death they may have made them better engines out of them,their haulage capacity was huge,its going to be so interesting to see the new P2 in action,its not fair to slam Thompson has he took over at a bad time,but his pacific designs were not good,but he more than made up with the superb B1,cheers

[@MaxBreth]

At this point with lockdown, my entire life is spent waiting to watch the next review. Thank you for being such a fantastic reviewer 🙏🙏

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks so much Max, really glad you like the videos!! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@iforgotmymoney5823]

I like that one it’s one of my favorites

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome! Glad you like it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Your channel gives me an insight into the prices and quality of model railway products.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much - that's good to hear! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@bjmorley]

Even before this review, I thought this green was pretty plasticy and flat.

[@jonathancruz562]

Same

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah... and that's with me trying to make the thumbnail look as good as possible! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davidbugler4597]

26.20 Just look at the overhang of the trailing truck on that curve... I am totally amazed that in this day and age Hornby were still prepared to produce a rigid rear end. Maybe somebody in their design office despises Cartazzi trucks. Excellent and honest review, as always, many thanks for the clarity of your comments.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - it looks bad doesn't it? They obviously think it'd look worse with a moving one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@PebProductions46]

Sam'sTrains: An incredibly high price commands an incredibly impressive model Hornby: *Counting their large stash of gold coins* Lmao gf

[@SamsTrains]

haha, probably very accurate!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@peterheath9002]

I sprayed mine with gloss varnish which brought the colour out beautifully

[@davidstrains4910]

Great review Sam I’m definitely going to look at these one day

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot David, I hope you do! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@gripping_crystal4982]

Honestly I have plunged deeper and I hope to get as high popularity as you. You’ve done an amazing job making videos and there are locos I recommend such as the 262 prairie steam loco

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh you're very kind mate - I wish you all the luck!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thechair371]

Me: The detail on this model is disappointing 3/10 for detail. *Model has sprung buffers* Me: 10/10 for detail.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's pretty much me too! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lukehughes6094]

An amazing video sam. Great history of the locomotive . An amazing locomotive and a great variety of locomotive around the layout. Can not wait to see more videos like this

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Luke - I can't wait to try more of these new locos too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Ben-Likes-Trains]

love the details,is there a tiny bit of streamlining on the smokebox?-Ben

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah! I'm guessing it's for smoke deflection though! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@mikeking2539]

@@SamsTrains Yes they are indeed Smoke Deflectors, although rather strange looking

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

Surprisingly, I don't hate the looks of the Thompson A2/2 as much as I thought I would. It pales (like the model's paint) in comparison to the P2 & the wheel spacing is funky-looking but I don't think its too awful. I like the smoke lifters near the chimney. It's great that it performs well, but unfortunately, it seems like Hornby missed the marks on the pricing & build quality.

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah quite a few people are saying that - and I don't mind those smoke lifters either, quite interesting to look at! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@misterwibble6411]

I see Hornby have got their Highwayman mask on again re. the price....

[@GaryNumeroUno]

Their Bachmann mask you mean!

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah, their Bachmann mask!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@misterwibble6411]

@@SamsTrains oops! my mistake but yes both companies are much the same (imo) when it comes to ripping off (I use those words advisedly) customers

[@haydensrailwayadventures4336]

Got my yesterday but my is thane of fife thing it’s a fantastic locomotive. Runs fantastic it.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh great to hear yours runs well too - very pleased with the way mine performs! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@pot6223]

Prepare for Seeing People Make fun of the Engine's Actual Name

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - I made a childish remark about it, but cut it out the video ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davidantoniocamposbarros7528]

Wait,there's a Cock O' The North so....... Why can't there be a Cock O' The South,Cock O' The West and a Cock O' The East?

[@bambostarla6259]

Ye get ready and grab popcorn

[@A.i.r_K]

Is the cock means other things or literally, a cock?

[@elvisthetankfan9960]

Oh gonna comment a joke when I just saw this

[@darkfrag83]

The divided drive was also done as it was simpler to maintain when compared to Gresleys conjugated valve gear (the valves of the inside cylinders where connected to and driven by the outside valve gear), whereas the divided drive had a seperate set of valve gear for each cylinder, with I think the inside cylinder(s) driving the leading axle.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted Matt, thanks a lot for the info on those! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@UP-gv9bn]

"Let's see how it handles my curves, oh that sounds kinky" *I beg your pardon Sam*

[@SamsTrains]

haha sorry about that one, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@LHoriginal]

Haha!

[@johnd8892]

The new A2/3 seems to be available now. A KZbin vid of R3835 Sun Castle has been posted a few hours ago. The owner is pleased to report that his model had the numerous problems of the A2/2 have been addressed. Seems likely Hornby have had some useful interchange with the China factory as to what quality level is expected. Thanks Sam for your part in improving the quality level. Much more useful than reviews that always say everything is superb all the time. Might be too much of a step for you to buy the A2/3 for review as they are so similar to look at and expensive. I could provide a link to the new vid if you wanted to see it.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing John - that's very good news indeed, I may look into getting one of those some time then! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kingorry7223]

Sam: looks weird with that cylinder placement Me: That's where the cylinders are placed on the princess royals.........

[@lukeslocomotives]

And the Stars, Castles and Kings

[@MrSmokin123]

Yes but the body doesn’t tend to overhang so far past them

[@SamsTrains]

Noo not quite - they're not this far back on the Royals or the Kings! Look at the photos - the cylinders line up with the back bogie wheels on those! With the A2, the cylinders are way clear of the back bogie wheels! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TomPrickVixen]

For a long time the "Merchant Navy" was my strongest pacific (4-6-2), but 2.5 years ago i brought one of the new tooled A1 (limited) train set, and I think that loco is stronger. For the strongest 2-10-0; and 2-6-2; goes to my Roco "shaft drive" steamers, and I have a nice 2-10-2 US loco with high pulling power (not good on curves tough), and my favorite anomaly: the Trix 0-8-8-0T with a metal body!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Tom, yeah the MNs are very powerful... but the A1s are mighty, that's for sure! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@covertjunction3122]

I'd rather have that king you've got on the turntable!

[@SamsTrains]

Oh sure, the King is way better than this! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@peterwatson5659]

Another great video Sam! I have long thought that Hornby's green livered locos look flat, plasticy, anaemic and toylike. I also seem to see a number of Hornby locos with warped running plates. Bachmann locos have diecast running plates, so don't suffer this problem.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Peter - yeah I've started to really notice it lately... probably because other manufacturers are starting to get the finish much better. The Bachmann running plates look much better, not to mention the lack of warping as you say! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@britanniaolivercromwell5006]

Wow it really stayed true to its original form by being a big disappointment Edited: I would have been a lot meaner to this model but it did allow me to make a Thompson joke

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely true! I'm trying not to be too mean... but hopefully my feelings were made clear! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DavidRobinson-rj2sp]

Yeah, but the P2s only spent 37% of their time in revenue earning service, the remainder being spent in workshops. The P2 looked nice but it was mechanically crap so had to be rebuilt. The Thompson A2s spent 97% of their time in revenue earning service.

[@britanniaolivercromwell5006]

@@DavidRobinson-rj2sp true but when the a2/2 were rebuilt they developed more problems besides I always say the p2s having problems that have to have fixing more than the other Gresley locomotives

[@ewanmcgregor146]

From what I have heard from people who lived through the BR Green era, there was considerable variation in the shades used at different times in different sheds. And then add wear and weathering from almost constant exposure.... So it could be fine with a bit of muck & grime added to dull the plasticky look.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's right Ewan - given that fact, I find it strange that Hornby went for such a ghastly shade... but sure, with some work it could look better! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ewanmcgregor146]

@@SamsTrains Hehe, if you’re modeling the late steam era, much of the steam fleet would have looked pretty ghastly anyway.... Perhaps that is the market they are aiming for? 🤣 Hornby could have released it with a bit of weathering, which could have helped to justify the price!

[@Tottleminerftw]

I must stare at 60103 Flying Scotsman to clean my eyes

[@SamsTrains]

haha! That's a good antidote! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@LHoriginal]

"let's see how it handles my curves, Oh that sounds kinky" bloody hell Sam, that caught me of guard. These jokes are why I love this channel

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! Thanks mate! xD

[@HarrisHandle]

I wouldn’t by it way to expensive for me

[@SamsTrains]

And me mate - I regret buying this one! :/ Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jeffreysmith156]

As of early February 2023, I see that Kernow Model Centre is offering a few A2/3s in LNER livery at £120!

[@Chauglington_Station]

I would send this one back. Too many quality issues

[@connorrobinson1909]

Given the price you’d expect more from the industry leader aye?

[@peterdriffill7950]

Yep send it back! - totally unacceptable - cheap and nasty junk from China 🤢 - though at least Hornby hasn’t failed in providing a decent mechanism (which touch wood - they never fail to do irrespective of the range these days)

[@connorrobinson1909]

@@peterdriffill7950 if only all could reach the level of the King class. That model was spectacular

[@SegginsProductions]

@@connorrobinson1909 I just ordered a king class! I live in America and it’s coming from Hong Kong s o it’s going to be quite the wait unfortunately.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah, it crossed my mind! The King was superb (and considerably better value too!) pity more models aren't like those! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TheZeldafan57]

God mine today! Couple parts were loose like the front lamp iron and the water scoop, as well as some copious glue marks but I'm quite happy. Personally I don't have much against the green but the BR number is much too yellow, so I'll be changing that out with new decals as well as etched name plates for Thane of Fife

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - yes those lamp irons and scoops are a common issue aren't they? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@maureenkoopman9378]

How many locos do you need? I think I know the answer... A L L O F T H E M

[@SamsTrains]

haha that'd be my answer for sure! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@railway187]

That’s true - it’s so difficult to stop collecting rolling stock 😀

[@Greggyyyyy7]

Hi Sam I have an idea for the next video maybe a series for it I’m thinking o a shunting contest with shunting trains you and some of the fans pick, the instructions are you need 4 random cargo cars and a random brake van you may switch points to get cars but you need to do it in a way like taking the car from another engine I hope you do it and hope you like it.

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds really interesting Gregory, I love the idea - I've added it to my ideas list! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@edwardmills6456]

I see your luck is still true to form, BAD ! ! !

[@SamsTrains]

Yep - though the last handful I reviewed were fantastic, so I don't feel too unlucky! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lonelysignalbox]

I just ordered Thane of fife from the model Centre yesterday. I can’t wait for it to arrive

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh nice - hope it's good for you mate! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ajvids1869]

Awesome tender engine sam and i look at rails of sheffield web set and the caledonia 812 class are out and different liveries lms black,br black,weathered br black, and caledonia blue in built livery and preserved blue.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much AJ - yeah I've seen those too, can't afford one though! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ajvids1869]

@@SamsTrains No problem

[@kingorry7223]

The A2/2 is one of those locos where I've never really thought about it much, just a loco I knew about, theres just something interesting especially the look it has

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah me neither - I've started thinking about it much more now though! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Revo99978]

Sam are you going to review the Dapol o gauge pannier tank? Also can you race your o gauge locomotives you already own. (but not at full speed, we don't want you to destroy them.)

[@SamsTrains]

I've thought about it - they do look really cool! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@darkwhite073]

I’m curious if the driving wheels can be swapped out for A3 or A4 wheels if you want to make an A1/1

[@redversb2347]

Great review Sam. Way more than I would spend on a loco - but as you point out quite worrying that Hornby can follow some superb models with this almost backwards step at a premium price.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much - yeah it's a pity about that isn't it? I'll be more careful about spending that kind of money with them in the future! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TrainFan_95]

I like it how, unlike the model railway magazines, you draw attention to the problem of too many of today's models being grossly overpriced. It is irritating when magazine reviews either don't mention the price or claim that it is "justified" despite the level of detail, quality and decoration often being disappointing.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate, yeah I've noticed that too! Bit too much brown-nosing going on these days. Of course the magazines rely on the manufacturers for review samples and advertising £... so it's no surprise they so often fail to notice these obvious inadequacies! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@colinbangs2972]

Hi sam. Just watching your video. I bought A2/2 thane of fife from hattons and i was looking at mine and it has none of the bad fittings of your model. Apart from the colour which i agree with you its a nice looking and good running engine.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Colin - glad to hear yours arrived in better shape! Yes it's a pity about the colour isn't it? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@keithw6026]

Hi Sam, this is a very well executed video and goes straight to those areas that are poorly done especially for the price. You are absolutely right about Thompson's carve up of Gresley's P2 which he seemed to think was a problem because of the 2-8-2 wheel arrangement amongst other things. It begs the question of whether he actually understood what was going on in France, Germany and North America at the time when they all built hundreds of mikados to pull passenger and freight. Still, he did do some good, the B1 being one example. Anyway, keep up the good work.

[@jameshardy4354]

Well the 2 presrved b1 are thompsons only servicing locomotives

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Keith! Yeah it's a pity isn't it? To think one may have been preserved if they'd been kept as P2s... never mind! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@keithw6026]

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, the P2 that is being built will be quite a site running on the main line. For me, it's the most exciting new loco project I've ever seen. There's quite a history to the 2-8-2 saga that also involves Bullied.

[@morgplays2286]

That is one cool locomotive! Love the reviews Sam :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - really glad you like them! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jonny_vdv]

You were more generous than I would have been. The step back in cab detail would have warranted another star off in my mind, and the fact that major components like the boiler supports and running plate didn't line up properly would have automatically been a 1 star for quality.

[@SamsTrains]

haha maybe you're right - the cab wasn't the best, and actually looked quite sloppy in the closeups! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@JayseHeiney2000]

Yes Sam, they are Smoke Deflectors, XD.... The Union Pacific Challanger Model on OO and O gauge, i Think.. have Removable Smoke Deflectors, idk for sure, but thats what i heard on Lionels website

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Jayse, and awesome - that sounds cool!! :O Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alantoms3263]

Hi Sam, nice review, as usual. I've received mine during this week. I didn't observe the assembly 'issues' you had and when reviewed after this review, mine is fine - so different to yours. Running, mine is absolutely superb as well - super smooth when very slow and a really fantastic top end. I'm absolutely made up there's no flywheel - creates inertia, and puts more strain on the motor unnecessarily - makes a slow start continued much easier without - we'll agree to differ. Paint - yeuch! Boiler bands - what happened? !! There's a huge void in front of the chassis inside the body - smokebox - which is blanked off - room for more weight. I actually find there's no problems with traction - pulls very well. Tender needed a lot of lead - now much better. I've fitted Springside lamps, Fox's nameplates, and have painted around the smokebox matt black - all makes a big difference - with a Springside crew as well. 'All detailed up' you nearly ignore the paint colour, but not quite!! Do you think this may have been a little 'rushed out' before CNY? Al.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Alan - really glad to hear yours was put together properly - I can't understand why I keep getting lumbered with the Friday afternoon jobs! But yes, no complaints on the pulling power - that's true! Your upgrades sound great, fantastic work! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alantoms3263]

@@SamsTrains Thanks Sam. Photos in the RMWeb thread.

[@railway187]

Very good presentation - fantastic loco. 😍 These English locomotives are so beautiful - I would consider to add an English branchline to my Russian layout 🤪

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much mate - yeah they are... and this one isn't even the nicest! I'd recommend that, sounds great!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Wolfric_Rogers]

I agree, the cylinder placement makes it really ugly, but I'm still going to get one.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I don't blame you - I couldn't resist either! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@tmcg972]

Thank you for this honest review, was thinking about skipping the video after all the issues you mentioned... I want the chassis with a quality body for the price. Anyway money saved! Stay safe, don't stay too grumpy... 😁

[@SamsTrains]

It's a pleasure mate - yeah the chassis is the best aspect of the model, but it's not enough to make this a compelling purchase sadly! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@johnd8892]

The LNER P2 locos that this was rebuilt from was not that well known until recently. However the LNER P1 earlier freight 2-8-2 booster equipped pair are even less well known but scrapped by Thomspson during the war. I you do a search for the LNER P1 locos you may be surprised by the attractive look of them. In the race to make everything powerful, I wonder how long it will take until models are made of the P1 class?

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I guess that's true - lots of publicity around the rebuilds and Hornby's models - good point John! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@LNER985]

I don't understand people criticize the cylinders when that is how they on the LMS Princess Royals and GWR Castles. No one complains about them being ugly. Again it seems we have different opinions as the green doesn't look too bad to me.

[@SamsTrains]

haha they weren't like that on the princess - the cylinders are level with the rear bogie wheels! The whole bogie is clear of the cylinders on this one! Agreed on the Castle/King though... for some reason it looks much more agreeable there! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@FeatherWing162]

I don't know about anyone else, but this locomotive looks quite cool and I think the position of the cylinders gives it a unique look. (Edit: Forgot the parts around the funnel.)

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's fair - they certainly look cool, I won't deny that! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@benzinapaul7416]

Not excusing the lack of quality but a friend of mine who is in the PPE business was paying £1600 to import a container from China to the UK in January 2020, he is now paying £12000 to ship a container. So shipping costs have increased massively - his business has passed on all the increase to the customer so I imagine Hornby have too.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - I wonder if that is a factor then? Very tricky! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@azuma7628]

Some shots in this video are quite interesting, like that one when we can see the whole loft.

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! I'm trying to do a few different angles! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@T1_Productions]

Hey Sam. Did you know that the LNER was one of only two railways in the UK used the 2-8-2's. The other being the GWR which used 2-8-2 Tank Engines.

[@SamsTrains]

No I didn't realise that actually - that's a cool fun fact!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thewestoner7299]

Nice an early as it should be. Another great video Sam. All the best

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate, glad you liked it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alexn643]

Very nice video. Have you ever considered reviewing any of the Hornby DC sets like 'The Mallard Pullman'?

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! I have thought about it - maybe some day! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TrainmanDan]

Sam, I don't think she is ugly. The placement of the steam chests is cancelled out by the 'proper' 2-axle pilot truck (single axle pilot trucks just don't do it for me). I also love that very busy valve gear! But yeah, the finish and lack of die-cast lets her down. Cheers, Dan.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's fair enough Dan... lots of people do love this design, and that's fine of course! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@brainlessspudlogic4875]

It will be interesting to see how the new Accurascale steamers turn out. The specs are superior with a metal boiler, running board, metal helical gearbox, and wheels for £169

[@SamsTrains]

It certainly will be - fingers crossed!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@joelightrailway2362]

Excellent review Sam 👍 but not so excellent of this model and I feel sorry for to spend so much to buy a loco from Hornby that you were excited to have. You could have bought those four & six wheel carriages from Hornby instead or go for wagon from... well... Bachmann or Hornby. I was interested to get one of these loco, but with so much plastic all over the model, I decided to buy something else like a B17 or Q6 or another Peckett 0-4-0 instead. On a happy note, I’m running my latest model of Bachmann GWR 9400 Class and it running so perfectly and I love it. Now there a model that looks so much impressive.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Joe - ahh don't feel sorry for me - you win some and lose some! Ooh fantastic - really glad to hear it's perfect for you!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Madonsteamrailways]

It’s had the same treatment as the Bulleid Pacifics. The air smoothed ‘spam can’ design was changed for an identically designed body. To me, the. ‘spam can’ was a much prettier design than the ‘rebuilt’ Bulleid. Sadly, it’s the same with the Gresley.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing! Yeah I think that too actually - always preferred the spam can design! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@MColeProductions]

Am waiting for the Thompson A2/3 to come out in the next few weeks - have also pre-ordered 60502 Earl Marischal as well as Flying Scotsman and two A1/A3s in LNER Green and Black from the 2021 range

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - fingers crossed those will be better for you! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jamestalbot4900]

Waiting on my A2/3, looking forward to it and hoping the LNER green is better. You’re absolutely right about the finish on this, it looks very flat, a bit like the Heljan GWR green. Those small smoke deflectors were an experiment. The LNER tried all sorts before settling on the Peppercorn type, look up the A3 Humorist. Oh, and was the theme early crest BR locos?

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds good Jim - usually Hornby do better with LNER green, so fingers crossed for you! Cool on the deflectors - never have seen those before! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@javanicworks-id]

"Ugly? Nah mate, they're beautiful locos, and I disagree with many railfans saying they're ugly. Cheers

[@alancarpenter2070]

Hi Sam, another good loco review video. Looking at the tender rear three quarter view, the buffer beam seems to be distorted/twisted towards the near side, making the buffer look downwards. I don't think you mentioned that, sorry if you did. As an observation, as to the running tests you do, I think that you load the locos rather lightly. As an example, in steam days, the train "The Royal Scot" used to consist of 13 coaches. Regards, Alan.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Alan - well spotted, yes that is another issue - it's definitely on the wonk! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@FlyingScott]

Hornby seems to really not be able to do Brunsick green poperly. The green is too drab, the orange too bright. I've stood next to, hell, I've been ON Brunswick green locos and that orange line across the running plate is nowhere near as noticable as Hornby makes it out to be. Here's to hoping the LNER liveried A2/3s are a tad less flat though!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that does seem true - can't understand it... the orange doesn't even look orange... that's red if you ask me! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lapiswake6583]

Looks good, at the start. However, I have a DJH A2/2 as 60505 Thane of Fife (professionally built from the kit, which is super heavy and can handle a 100-wagon train (just about, so around 20 wagons less powerful than the Bachmann 37s, remarkable for a pacific), although it needs more pickups for greater reliability), plus of course the railroad P2 2001 Cock O' The North, so neither of these first two releases are something I would want. If Hornby did a future release of 504 or 506 in LNER green, I'd consider them. I'm considering an A2/3 though, but they're a bit expensive for me without a job atm. It bugs me that there aren't the flanged rear pony wheels included, considering Simon Kohler said in one interview that having the flangeless ones is a compromise but they do include the flanged ones as well, but those driving wheels are incredibly close together. The orange looks a bit too dull, the green is too pale, and all the wonky parts just aren't on. As is the lack of etched nameplates, which should be standard for this quality of model. Heck, my limited edition standard class 7 70000 in original unlined black without nameplates or tender crests or anything included etched Britannia nameplates, for some reason. The back of the tender doesn't look great, seems as though the bufferbeam is wonky, and there's a massive gap between the tender body and the chassis. A lack of at least a pocket for a front coupling is silly, but it is so irritating it has no screw links included at all. Looks like a £160 rrp model, tops, going off modern pricing. However, the green behind the lining of the running plates look nice, and those wing deflectors look great. I hope Hornby do at least 1 A3 with that type in the future, as well as Humorist with the Peppercorn style deflectors too. A lack of flywheel is really odd, considering the railroad peppercorn a1s had flywheels when they were introduced back in 2012 or whenever it was, and that was at a £70 starting price. In other news, the coal tank I ordered after the previous video arrived today. I was very surprised by the weight of it, and the plain black finish is excellent. I tested it on DC using a H&M Duette in my bedroom, ran well and quietly but with some cogging at slow speeds. Took it into the loft, fitted a LaisDCC next18 chip, and set it to run in. It seems more noisy on DCC than DC, oddly, and the rear truck derails on the double slip I have on the up loop/bypass for some reason, but it runs well on the down loop/bypass (except it does keep cutting out in some spots due to it only being 6 wheel pickup. I really need to clean my track properly). And the slow speed on DCC is so much better than DC, no cogging at a slower speed. Etched numberplates are now fitted using a small amount of PVA, so it'll get run some more when my Dapol TPE 68 turns up this week (I was contacted by the shop yesterday to take payment, so it isn't that far away). Still awaiting the GT3...

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing Lapis! Yeah it sucks about the rear pony too - nasty bit of corner cutting there! Great that you were pleased with the coal tank - yeah the weight is pretty surprising isn't it?! Strange about the noise - wonder what the deal with that is?!? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@arthurwellesley1815]

Looks like an A1 pacific was coupled to two 9F's one infront of the A1 and one behind then both 9Fs drove in opposit directions to stretch the A1 out Great video as always sam

[@arthur850_]

It's freakin beafy as hell! I love it. I'm not the biggest fan of steam cuz I like electric and diesel more but still I love the beafyness! :D

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it's a fair puller, definitely! That's okay, thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ouchieduck2459]

I was really optimistic for this, mostly because i have pre-ordered the W1 as i got a bit excited, now im a little worried. Good review :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - yeah I'm worried too - I hope the W1 will be much better, fingers crossed! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TheSteamdriver]

The fins are smoke deflectors they where a more popular design in other countries like Germany and I think the Poland had a few locomotives that had that style of smoke deflectors

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing - think this is the first time I've seen them on a British loco! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davidchiles5331]

I had to write this quickly as I was so disapointed at the negative points and needed to leave this video, omg!!