BRAND X: PHIL COLLINS ISOLATED DRUMS (& BASS) -- "Running on Three"

[@ArchieBC]

I get really aggravated when people think his ability stops at In The Air Tonight.

[@MrUsermister]

Still there is something true in it ... even people familiar with The Cinema Show, All In A Mouse's Night or Down And Out, may admit that the drum entrance to In The Air Tonight, in its outrageous simplicity, is still one (if not the) most iconic drum entrance of all times.

[@claytonchaney9171]

no...their ability stops at in the air tonight

[@WarrenCromartie2]

@@MrUsermister This was part of Collins skill, to make really quite simple drum parts just sound magnificent. He had great dynamic and sonic range; so much light and shade in his playing, and so much personality in his playing, like Bonham, Bruford or Palmer. Technically brilliant drummers are actually ten a penny in rock and metal these days. They're usually educated, middle class individuals who have studied music. They could play Genesis drum parts in their sleep, but it would sound like any technically proficient drummer playing them. It wouldn't sound like Collins, and of course their compressed, generic digital drum sound also doesn't help in that regard.

[@MrUsermister]

@@WarrenCromartie2 "They're usually educated, middle class individuals" ... EXACTLY ! We are talking about a different generation with different appreciation for different values !

[@henrysmiley5878]

The high-hat, ride cymbal, and snare work on this song are amazing. Phil was one of the greats.

[@ajollygoodchap]

It's his snare work that moves this track along. All those little snare shuffle strokes between the main beats, oh and tgat iff beat hihat. His skill and technique are often misunderstood or completely missed, as in falling on deaf ears. He's so melodic in his playing that people don't see past the groove. Maybe that is the sign of a genius.. you don't know they are doing it!

[@percyvolnar8010]

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[@danielsapenpsychologistph.1142]

he is constantly making little variations on a micro scale not just the grace notes on the snare with that very subtle use of different parts of the ride symbol, but grace notes with the bass foot, changing micro details like which snare stroke, and eighth note apart, gets the accent; to my ears among rock drummers, the most consistent sound and dynamic control. I always found his drum parts to be fascinating to listen to as pieces of music. Technique isn't how well you memorize and perfect the textbook. That's just obedience and mechanics. Technique is how you give a voice to your musical ideas and feelings. The textbook is the most reliable way, standardized. But it can't be the best for every player with unique body-mind and creative spirit. Phil had the enthusiastic endorsement of Chester Thompson with regard to ability and technique… Chester made that point, that Phil learned to play the drums by playing the music the way he heard it, doing multiple things with the same limb even when a less energy expending alternating strokes approach would have been easier, Phil instinct or choice to have each hand doing multiple things not only gave him unusual stick control, but lent tension to the music, and produced what most of us would recognize as the Phil Collins "Sound". he would bring that sound to a pretty wide and deep array of session work, in which he had a different voice for each, different kits obviously, going between a Tears for Fears album and a John Martyn album. but it would still have that depth of sound, that pocket, and tension, that identified his work. And he was the goofy guy who Peter Gabriel fans love to hate and who supposedly ruined Genesis with his pop hits mentality (even though Mike and Tony were already into their own simpler, popier solo stuff, and Phil still didn't have as active a role in the songwriting as Tony and Mike). it's a shame that on top of that collection of negatives, people don't take him seriously as a drummer and then forget he ever was one. Again, Neil Peart couldn't stop raving about Phil's technique, writing about how he was a chief inspiration to Neil to become as good and interesting a progressive rock drummer as he could be. he went on to praise Phil's "refined technique", his endless creativity and musicality, and called "selling England by the pound" "the enduring masterpiece of rock drumming", Listening to which was that turning point moment. And people still insist that he sucks, that he's basic, or they don't know he was ever a drummer!

[@simoncbr900rr]

I don't think there is anybody else that looks so relaxed behind a drumkit and produce such epic power and technique.....personally Phil is probably one of my favourite drummers along with Copeland,moon and vinnie

[@d33j4ybf]

Sounds practically Cobham-esque on this, in fact...

[@Chris_Stanley007]

my thoughts@@d33j4ybf

[@christophegaudissart6551]

don t forget bill brudford and so much others great drummers do you know christian vander and magma ???

[@xianshep]

You have excellent taste in drummers.

[@simoncbr900rr]

@@xianshep Gavin Harrison as well...boy has he got chops

[@EmilioGarcia-fr5po]

Every time I listen to brand x gotta keep checking the album to see if that's phil Collins, he is so sick on drums 🥁

[@stationlightyears1532]

Phil Collins was my reason to start playing Drums, I still love playing to Genesisi, Brand X or his own stuff occasionally, so much fun, but such a very different style. I think he brought the best out in a band.

[@inglepropnoosegarm7801]

I believe that if Genesis had not found him in 1972 they would now be an almost forgotten obscure early '70s progressive band. He took their music to another level and allowed it to become as great as it later became. As for Phil...he probably would have been as big as ever!! Talent and drive are a powerful combination. Incidentally, he also inspired me to start drumming! We had such a lot of great British drummers in the '70s. Truly a golden era for music.

[@PETERMAY-v2p]

Phil Collins is a LEGEND

[@martinscholes2023]

One of the greats.

[@brineich]

I got this album as a US import back then. Being a drummer I was blown away by Phil's talent. I can only listen to it once and a while because doing so wear's me out!

[@lesgoe8908]

I got it as an import too. Nobody knew anything about it.

[@LThill-ks2uz]

I never knew of this band, i will look for more

[@lesgoe8908]

the band sounds even better when you hear all of the instruments -- but I wanted to highlight Phil's contribution (along with bassist, Percy Jones) in this video.

[@robertblackmon1]

😶‍🌫️

[@christophegaudissart6551]

moi je connaissais mieux brand x que genesis 🤣🤣🤣

[@jimw6659]

Moroccan Roll is a great place to start. Enjoy!

[@Ebriel0000000]

@@christophegaudissart6551 J'ai dû user 3 galettes de Livestock et Unorthodox Behaviour à force de les faire tourner... mais j'en faisais presque autant avec The Lamb, Selling, et Fox Trot :-)

[@jdecker9834]

Proves what I've been saying for decades. One of the GOATS for sure. And my lord, listen to Percy slayin' it!

[@andydovey7417]

I've been listening to this track since buying the LP in 1976 so am very familiar with it but hearing it like this - WOW OH WOW!!!

[@phenixreturns]

listen to the modern sound of the bass drum omg the toms are powerful too the sound was phenomenal in this record

[@xianshep]

Oh, man: The two best things about Brand X isolated into a KZbin "vid": LOVE it!

[@cribrebo7375]

Percy Jones... 👏👏

[@JoFandango]

fantastic !

[@andydan3053]

Underrated track!!!

[@frogdogink4415]

Brilliant 🌟

[@stephenszklarski5446]

Great record

[@80sruler]

I love Phil, his son Nic is a baller too

[@gilleslaframboise2168]

Darn, that bass player is also making it extraordinary fun and exciting to listen. His drums sounds just like Billy Cobham. Group sounds like Uzeb a french Quebec Fusion musical group led by Alain Caron on bass.

[@alexandremello6913]

Yes it is not just isolated drums. It's drums and bass. Percy Jones is a beast.

[@jimimurti]

Yeah toms sound like Cobham's toms.

[@Ebriel0000000]

Ah je suis un vieux fan de Brand X et j'ai vu le dernier concert d'Uzeb au Casino de Paris (le tout dernier du World Tour 90 avant leurs adieux à Montréal), donc je te plussoie ;-)

[@dvaidr]

Bill Bruford, who hung out with Phil once said that Phil did a great impression of Billy Cobham. I have to agree.

[@dynasticlight1073]

I 'd say impersonation. He is miles away from Billy....@@dvaidr

[@panosxaitagian5817]

Super group !!!!!!.........

[@xianshep]

Has there EVER been a drummer whose toms sound was as good as Phil's?

[@glenndolleck1262]

Hello Les. I used to have this album ; hurricane Sandy wiped out my collection. Thankyou for post.

[@lesgoe8908]

Sorry for your loss! Thanks for commenting.

[@juanmanuelalvarezrodriguez84]

Phi collins esta desatado!!!! Que bien suena !!!!

[@phenixreturns]

my fav track of b x

[@felipesanchezromero]

Collins the best !

[@zendragonmindtuner6207]

I never knew Phil was a such a swift drummer

[@67philipo]

Apart from his obvious musicality and insane proficiency as a drummer, what sticks out here is his precision. In terms of time keeping, he’s like an atomic clock..

[@stevec2100]

It was originally the wonderfully complex passages on the early genesis tracks that influenced my own development as a drummer back then. But then I heard Brand X - jokingly called Phil’s bar band - and all bets were off for me. His Brand X stuff (yeah and Percy too), just filled in the last part of what was developing for me -a young kid that already loved and tried emulating Dennis Chambers. Lenny White. Anyone that played with Jaco and weather report, and every drummer that played with ELP, Return to Forever, Zappa and on. There was just something about Phil’s style of counterpoint that was like red blood cells to me. Ahh memories man. What fun. I still have my full 1975 13pc concert Tama Imperial Stars kit. I shit you not. What fun.

[@lesgoe8908]

Great personal story. Thanks for watching and posting.

[@alexandremello6913]

Sick!

[@lesgoe8908]

And that's why I posted this. Phil himself admits his best drumming was in the 1975-77 period.

[@johnsaunders7116]

Saw Brand X at the Marquee Club Spring 1976. I was doing the tourist thing after completing my first undergraduate degree. Saw Peter Gabriel at the Roundhouse on the same holiday!

[@Chris_Stanley007]

Nice upload, thanks !

[@lesgoe8908]

Thanks for viewing and commenting!

[@potto5212]

Alucinante

[@НиколайБалакирев-х5с]

👍👍👍

[@montysonful]

this does sound good

[@chadb6964]

The little ruffs he plays down the Tom’s around 56 seconds in are killer sweet

[@lesgoe8908]

Agree! Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@solgreenman7280]

Isolated drums and bass on Malega Virgin next PLEASE!!!!

[@lesgoe8908]

Thanks for viewing and commenting. Here's your request for Malega Virgen: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKTHdXh7ip6ortk

[@kluste6]

Gretsch!

[@foxxy46213]

Guys just underrated....he bangs a skin like ghrol

[@JohnSmith-fw2et]

Led Zeppelins John Bonham couldn't play like if his life depended on it. This one track alone proves it.

[@solgreenman7280]

Both my drumming heroes. Just different.

[@morbidmanmusic]

well, that is unlikely, I can play this, and Bonham hands me my ass, so... why care if Bonham could or couldn't.. he did his job pretty well.... RIGHT? Yes, So did Phil...RIGHT? Yes. overall, kinda stupid to compare it. music isn't for that. unless... ... ..

[@JohnSmith-fw2et]

@@morbidmanmusic I Expressed that because Phil is ignored many times in drummer comparisons. Early Gabriel era Genesis when Phil was the drummer is unprecedented

[@fherkenwood9431]

Phil Collins is an extraordinary drummer on Bonham's level. Only people don't understand it that way. Phil Collins in the progressive stage of Genesis did an exceptional job on the drums, his technique and virtuosity is reflected in those albums. And with Brand X he reconfirms that he is one of the best drummers that life gave us.

[@You-Deef]

@@morbidmanmusicShow us a video of you playing this, your channel has zero content, back up up your comment with proof.

[@honeybozo]

Yes -the sad part is not that he lost his voice, but that he was a beast behind the kit & really was a much better drummer than singer. Plus he did not have the grace to celebrate Chester Thompson who backed him up for years @ Genesis last tour.

[@TheDailyVinyl]

There were images of Chester during some of the history montage, just like with Peter & Steve. (Maybe Ant too. Can’t remember). But obviously, Phil having his son play drums is the big reason why he came out of retirement.

[@ManuelMartinez-pd9sj]

Great isolation, what tool are you using? Apps only do so much.

[@lesgoe8908]

RipX

[@jeffreytaylor6257]

Bingo.

[@64JekyllDr]

Does anyone knows if the photos refer to actual bootlegs

[@johnm3152]

Next to Acme inc. - nice

[@potto5212]

Demostración de Collins a la batería

[@colmanjones]

Curious how you managed to isolate the drums and bass.. was it made through some type of AI, or did you have access to the original multitracks?

[@lesgoe8908]

I used an AI program, RipX, which can separate the individual tracks from a single track. Something like this was used on the recent remix of The Beatles' "Revolver".

[@colmanjones]

@@lesgoe8908Many thanks for your reply!

[@mr.timebombman2230]

He was a human metronome in his time

[@cv507]

zööphöerrp ´brödück+ -:- ?

[@MatChew75]

He learned so much from bill bruford

[@Rondo2ooo]

Bill is an all-time great, but he was not able to play like Phil in his prime.

[@mortcola]

Phil was a fan of Bill's and worked as his drum tech briefly. But they were contemporaries, Phil having taken up drums and played pro gigs during the same period. Bill was also highly complementary of Phil's ability; John Wetton, who Bill plyed with on numerous alhgumns, stated Phil was the best he ever played with - ideas, technique (not-textbook, but the textbook is generic), ear and sync with the bass, musicality. Neil Peart called SEBTP "the enduring masterpiece of rock drums", and that Phil during th 70s was one of his five main role models, Phil being the one who set the bar for what it would take to be a great progressive drummer. For me, Phil's drum parts are always among the most interesting and subtle of all rock and pop drummers (fusion and jazz involve very different technique from one another, and from the others, but overlap). He never simply lays the groove. He always lays the groove simply, but he shades it, colors it, varies the accents; his instincts, or values, or both, allow him to play "hot" with speed and complexity, but he only does so if he has a groove to weave those elements into. It makes him masterful as a percussionist, but as a musician per se. Way beyond time-keeping.

[@michaelhoward6952]

What album did Wetton and Collins play on together?​@@mortcola

[@ejc8017]

And 10 years later he ended up singing "two hearts living in"...🤦

[@morbidmanmusic]

yeah, a very broad and expanding career. Should be proud of how much he doesn't suck at.

[@KyleDavisMusic]

Yeah and made a global career for himself. How dare he be successful in so many areas of music. How dare he?

[@You-Deef]

@@KyleDavisMusic😂, People really need to get over the fact that such a huge talent like Phil Collins was in demand, if it was McCartney or Jackson etc they would be creaming over that, but poor Phil gets shit on because he was magical, nobody deserves their success more

[@porterkerckhoff3451]

He’s brilliant

[@susragejr477]

I will never get over the fact the guy who created the soundtracks to those garbage direct-to-DVD disney sequels is actually an insane drummer

[@TONE11111]

on the lamb album he is a beast