THE MILITARY CHOOSES ITS NEW SERVICE RIFLE

The US Military has finally announced it’s new combat rifle and potential replacement for the M4…and Sig fanboys will never let us forget it.
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[@BrandonHerrera]

Thanks for watching guys! So after seeing it, do you think the Sig MCX Spear will fully replace the M4 down the line? Let me know in the comments! And thanks to SDI for sponsoring! Again, it’s SDI.edu for more info!

[@mateusstein1438]

Almost got it

[@sirspookay8676]

BRANDON IS EBIC

[@ns998]

Hi

[@trustincorey9145]

thanks ak daddy

[@Elguapo__]

Love your vids man! Keep up the good work!

[@roguereaver634]

I'm surprised the General Dynamics rifle was singled out for being too weird and not Textron's telescoped-polymer-case-elevator-bolt-push-through-eject contraption

[@DutchTraveler]

Textron was fucking weird, but GD/Lonestar/Beretta offer is a bullpup.

[@moonasha]

GD's couldn't even be belt fed, which seemed to be the entire purpose of the NGSW project, to replace the 249

[@tacticalmattfoley]

The ejected cartridge cases literally hit the operator on the way out of the bottom of the rifle, too. I would have thrown this rifle downrange and shot it repeatedly with my sidearm during testing after the first case hit my hand.

[@HMSNeptun]

@@moonasha the army doing all these shit and then there's the marine corps who's trying to use the 416 for everything

[@whitescreen2167]

@@moonasha their offer was to just rebarrel the 240 in 6.8

[@slipperysockfoot3859]

Sig: *has a 80,000 PSI rated chamber* Scott from Kentucky Ballistics: “I’ll be the judge of that”

[@AuxiliaryPanther]

Stick a thumb in it!

[@kameronjones7139]

Yikes 😬

[@shaggysmith8884]

I laughed harder then i should of. That's too dark even for me lmfao.

[@chrisrose_krii_lun_aus]

Today on Kentucky Ballistics were going to fill the barrel with amfo and see what happens.

[@Si74l0rd]

Well to be fair aside from the occasion that the rifle exploded, he has also intentionally tested a couple of other rifles with 80k+ rounds, so he is kinda an expert witness for overly hot rounds.

[@AJackalMan]

After some deep research and high level hacking, I can confirm the reason Sig won is because they used the word 'modular' more than twice as much as the next competitor in their pitch.

[@hateferlife]

I heard it was the use of the phrase ‘battle force multiplier’ that put them over the edge.

[@slice1208]

The statement was "the modularity of this battle feild multiplier is exponential."

[@taskforceboi8977]

Wait, what about NATO standardization? Like wat

[@dkslackmaster]

I heard it was the advanced quality of their power point presentation.

[@markh.6687]

@@slice1208 Stop it!! I'm gonna pass out from excitement!!

[@arrogantbunion8502]

My uncle was one of the helicopter test pilots that helped decide what helicopter they were going use as the air cavalry. Everyone was blown away when the brass decided to use the Huey which every test pilot, mechanic, engineer had ranked as the worst helicopter. It was number 6. Family members of the president at the time had large chunks of stock in the corporation owned the Huey

[@BigWheel.]

Bell aircraft.

[@jb76489]

Citation needed

[@Alex_Fahey]

@jb76489 Don't know about a link with Eisenhower when it was first tried nor for JFK, but LBJ specifically, via his wife, I believe, got rich off of Bell aircraft stock during the Vietnam War. He was even tied with them long before the presidency, doing some gimmick campaigning in a free-of-cost private helicopter for a few weeks courtesy of that same Bell company (and doing something similar with a likely heavy discount on the operation of a Sikorsky before that stint with Bell) as they hoped to use him due to being a prominent politician on the campaign trail to bring attention to their helicopters. It's a prominent part of his past, and this helicopter mania was advertised by him and his supporters. He was cultivating the image of an innovator. Trying to tie himself to the bright future of these new flying cars, and it happened to work out very well for Johnson and Bell in gaining fame and fortune for both.

[@MattCurrieImprov]

@@BigWheel.Bell-end aircraft?

[@TransistorBased]

@@jb76489 no, Cessna makes the Citation. Not Bell.

[@MrDylanm842]

"Designing a weapon for a military trial is no easy feat" Somewhere in England, 3 guys in a shed are laughing at that statement

[@eljefeamericano4308]

It's a shame what the gun industry in England has become, though.

[@Nnnope]

And they managed to design one of the most iconic sniper rifles of the century

[@snowflakemelter1172]

They invented the .280" / 7 mm intermediate round in the late 1940's but the US refused to accept it.

[@hakimcameldriver]

The Australian Owen gun..

[@suntorosuntoro8592]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqKxoIVrnLh6n8k

[@alphab4368]

"We're go in five" "wait... Got a problem" "what?" "Scope needs an update"

[@bubbajones5905]

I hope that scope has Wi-Fi, a printer port, and a prepaid subscription to Netflix.

[@kb9oak749]

It's not a software bug, it's a feature.

[@MarkOakleyComics]

Ha ha! Windows on your weapon: "Ugh. It's downloading an update. Can we call a three hour time out? Then I have to hunt for patches so the range finder goes back from being in metric. And the safety stops auto-locking after fifteen seconds."

[@cj-hc2yf]

@@MarkOakleyComics Make sure you don't forget your password. You might have to run across open ground to find the IT guy to reset it.

[@wilsonwondercock724]

@@bubbajones5905 I would love me some Netflix and Kill.

[@Scorpion-es9ri]

Heavy Rifle? 20 round magazine? Full Power Catridge? We are repeating history once again!

[@xXSCAR117Xx]

Heavy rifle just means you get more ripped the more you carry it lol. My airsoft rifles weigh more than my AR15 coming in at over 8lbs.

[@henryofskalitz2228]

Gunception

[@Fabrizio_Ruffo]

@@OneAngryVelociraptor then it's going to recoil like a mule.

[@u2beuser714]

AR-15A1 electric boogaloo

[@Romanus-]

@@xXSCAR117Xx or you get the be more exhausted by the time it’s ready to fight…….which isn’t good

[@zacz8224]

The marine corps adopted the m27 a few years ago. I was one of the first classes partially trained with the weapons system and we never had any problems with them other than them just being bulkier than the m4 and it is just a little to long when we had the suppressers on

[@arma3koth290]

When the rifle is so fine that every other gun’s receiver looks the exact same

[@niceisbest]

yes

[@Claymish]

@@niceisbest Yeah its kinda hard to iterate on a small metal box designed to contain a little explosion. Were people expecting nanomachines or carbon nanotube reciprocating balanced armature micro gravity controlled chambers. Its a fuckin piece of metal that lets the powder burn up and send the projectile towards the enemy, we're not going to improve on that any time soon, fuck.

[@dixen9116]

@@Claymish Can't wait for either railgun or laser tech to advance.

[@darksu6947]

@@dixen9116 Metal Gear?!?!?

[@bombomos]

So fine or no new engineering ideas?

[@markwelch9250]

Army: We're going with Sig rifles, vortex optics, and 6.8 ammo. Marines, as they continue to use the IAR with Trijicon optics and 5.56: Thumbs up.

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

The 6.8mm is also SIG SIG Sauer 6.8x51mm FURY Hybrid ammunition

[@pstewart5443]

And the Corps is like hell yes, new M-4s for everybody!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dkspartan73]

@@pstewart5443 lmfao 🤣

[@dwighthayes4738]

@@pstewart5443 I watched a video that said that the HK 416s are being fielded in the USMC.

[@tyhutchings6890]

@@dwighthayes4738 M-27 IAR i believe is the designation the Corps uses

[@hesnotbad9045]

“Sig must be bribing, they won two contracts in a row!” Colt, looking at every contract from the last 100 years :|

[@issaccartwright736]

First one to link obama/biden to someone at sig, wins a cookie. (probably a tracking cookie)

[@bradhertzler4451]

I'm not certain about that. Back when the M9 Baretta won, the SIG entry took first place in the shooting competition, but luau out due to Barretta being cheaper. SIG makes firearms Thai the military likes.

[@SuicideVan]

They also won the optics contract recently. There's definitely palms being greased.

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

bribe?

[@natecote1971]

@@SuicideVan and their optics suck! I have both the echo 1 and echo 3 thermal optics and they are the biggest pieces of shit! My atn4 puts them to absolute shame

[@Cutie_Amor]

as an Australian my everyday carry is steel toed boots

[@Razorshot-gk3dq]

Hey same

[@xavierhibbs4850]

As a canadian i have a metal hiking stick for all the ice and for idiots

[@Eggly69]

Ribbit ribbit

[@VenturaHighwayman]

@@xavierhibbs4850are crossbows legal in Canada? What about compound bows?

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

This looks to me more like SIG knows their audience. They didn't try to build the best rifle ever, they built a rifle the military can get behind.

[@debbiestimac5175]

Like when Northrup Grumman YF-23 lost to the Lockheed YF-22. The USAF basically said, yeah that looks like an advanced F-15... yours looks like wants to be an X-Wing Fighter from Star Wars, we are awarding the contract to Lockheed, they know what we really wanted.

[@Loneadmin]

Did you say forward assist?

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

@@debbiestimac5175 no, the yf23, was hardly anywhere close to combat ready compared to the yf22 that demonstrated its capabilities much better. The YF-23 is debatable if it really was better since it was still rather early in development.

[@boosted95]

Government dosen't always pick the best. They pick good enough at a cheap price per unit. Sig probably gave them the cheapest price on the M17 and again on the spear. Government contracts is where the money is at for these companies. Then they will just up charge the civilian market once everyone has to have the "new thing".

[@tenofprime]

Sometimes when making a new product being to innovate can bring problems. Especially when you are the military or police trying to adopt new technologies can be risky, I suspect the first change will be a simpler sighting system.

[@JENDALL714]

As my Drill Sergeant used to say, remember when you are in battle the secure feeling that all your weapons are made by the lowest bidder! Also, all the high tech weapons you see on TV, is just for recruiting purposes and very few soldiers will ever use them, but good luck in Battle with your Vietnam era equipment!

[@kevincorrigan1754]

@TiglathPileser3 tha boy must be a 'rine.

[@aniquinstark4347]

@TiglathPileser3 It would honestly rock if the military let you bring your own upper.

[@parkercarpy810]

I heard the army already out in an order for enough rifles to cover the entirety of combat arms. Hell even the nasty girls already have m17s and are due to receive the new rifles soon

[@JENDALL714]

@@aniquinstark4347 The Army really does not like young people who have shot previously because they almost always have to retrain them to do it the Army way, and break you from your civilian way of doing things, they like fresh new brains. NEVER EVER, TELL A DRILL SGT., "I already know how to shoot Drill Sgt.!"

[@brandondavis7777]

@TiglathPileser3 his little AR-15 isn't an M4.

[@MuzzleThump]

The real question is which general has connections with sig and got this fast tracked through the DOD

[@trashpanda2875]

How much did he get paid as well? Haha

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

They hired the same people as Pfizer...

[@Sensiblefool]

Russians happened

[@ryaniam22]

The same asshat that pick the sig pistol instead of walther, hk, glock, cz. Why God why would anyone prefer that sig over a ppq. I know they weren't in the running....but if your a general make them be in the running

[@kellynolen498]

@@Sensiblefool I mean that helps but I with Zach someone has connections

[@TYLERMCNAMARA12B]

I currently serve in the U.S. Army and to be honest I am not looking forward to the transition, I love the M-4. Also, I am concerned about the weight of the new ammunition, 5.56 nato is already girthy when you carry around 7 mags of it plus a demo bag and kit. My ruck already comes to almost 75 pounds. I just hope that the gun is as good as they say it is... Anyway, we will see how it performs in combat.

[@davidmendenhall4090]

Concern about engagement distance was the point of the 6.8, no such thing as a free lunch. It's either less weight or more powder.

[@ferdonandebull]

The M16 wasn’t liked when compared to the M14… you love the M4 because you are familiar with it and have a lot of experience with it.. however I don’t believe you will live to see a US army without M4…

[@galvinstanley3235]

Would you love the M4 if your enemy was wearing level 4 armor?

[@TYLERMCNAMARA12B]

​@@ferdonandebull Very true, I am sure I will grow to like it. It will just be something to get used to.

[@TYLERMCNAMARA12B]

@@galvinstanley3235 Very true, I am sure I will grow to like it. It will just be something to get used to.

[@cmac3530]

It's a shame Brandon didn't have the AK-50 ready in time. I really thought he had a shot at winning.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

Ha ha, shot.

[@VeteranDecanus2507]

If three guys in a literal shed can conjure up an L96 then Brandon can get a military contract too

[@SgtRudySmith31bRet]

He'll be ready for the next one in 2086

[@brettbaker5599]

Brandon might have some emails from a certain Eurasian power about 12.7x108 AK-50.

[@mr.randomperson9900]

Maybe next time

[@Deltlead]

The fire control naming convention they used for the optic is actually more in line with weapon systems like tanks, aircraft, and naval vessels. Fire control in this context means a computer that takes in sensor data, processes it, and gives the operator a "solution" on the target. It's a lot more advanced in it's capabilities and basically can make a average rifleman a lot more deadly at longer ranges.

[@casematecardinal]

Finally, I dont need to be in a tank to to use a laser rangefinder. The possibilities are endless. We are going to see basic grunts styling on dirt farming snipers.

[@shanehickman9204]

Wasn't some work being done on smart bullets some time ago to help the average soldier too?

[@gregbarnes4083]

@@shanehickman9204 Yeah sadly the smallest they got them was to 50bmg with the EXACTO ammunition that could course-correct midflight Edit for video of EXACTO: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKfboYR3g56IoNE

[@mangofett927]

All fun and games until the electronics go down due to impact, or an EMP.

[@ravenwing199]

@@mangofett927 Then you use your Tritium backup also in the Scope.

[@MrAPCProductions]

The Spear is 13.1 lbs with optic, ammo, and suppressor according to the trials. M1 Garand is 9.5lbs loaded Mk13 in 300wm with AICS, optic, ammo, and suppressor is 11.6 lbs Mk48 in 308 is 17lbs without ammo.

[@bradenmchenry995]

The rifle weighs 8 pounds 5 ounces. No shot the optic, ammo and suppressor weigh 5 pounds

[@MrAPCProductions]

@@bradenmchenry995 According the manufacture the optic is 2lbs 9oz without batteries, typical sig can is 21oz, 277 furry supposedly weighs 10-15 grains more than standard 7.62 ball per round. These numbers come from the trials, you can read about it.

[@Bigbossman12624]

Makes sense. Capable guns weigh more.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Sounds like our 11Bs will get an upper body workout just from carrying their new rifles. If it's accurate and reliable I doubt too many will complain.

[@bradenmchenry995]

@@MrAPCProductions I see the setup being closer to 12 pounds all together and that’s perfectly fine for an infantry rifle that has a suppressor, lpvo with all your ir laser stuff in it already

[@zestylem0n]

Very nice, let's see Paul Allen's service rifle

[@matthewmchenry2889]

Officers make these decisions, folks. You could have submitted an actual spear, as long as the code name for the the product had "spear" in it, it would have made it as a serious contender in the final round of decision making.

[@EchosTackyTiki]

There's always that one Spartan on the review board that just wants the new uniform to be a pair of tight leather budgie smugglers, a single pauldron, and bronze abs.

[@alexwells225]

Military: "We're replacing our M4's with slightly bigger m4's."

[@krichardson113]

On the bright side, these ones haven’t suffered decades of neglect by heedless armorers yet!

[@jbloun911]

AR-18 modernized

[@parkercarpy810]

@@krichardson113 now privates in osut can get slightly less shitty m4s to train with

[@RockSolitude]

More accurate would be: "we're replacing our M4s with M14s because we never learn from history"

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

bigger m4 that can shoot 6.5 at 80000 psi

[@Tony-es9jx]

Fun fact: the optic being called fire control actually originated from navy terminology. When the guns on large warships had their combat ranges get so far away that targets were hard to see or that could not be seen with the naked eye, they created “fire control systems” which would allow them to engage targets at these longer ranges. So this new sight being called fire control means that they’re planning to use it to engage infantry at long ranges that would be difficult/impossible to see without magnification.

[@enderbirds3814]

Actually didn’t know that, that’s kinda cool

[@markh.6687]

Surprised the Army didn't call it something like "The Advanced Modular Squad Weapon Visual Target Acquisition System" (AMSWVTAS)". I mean, why call it a "sight" or a "scope" when you can create new acronyms??

[@jaynecobb7964]

@@markh.6687 Ballistic Optical Fire Aquisition

[@a_dudethefirst7918]

@@jaynecobb7964 What's B.O.F.A. ?

[@jaynecobb7964]

@@a_dudethefirst7918 BOFA DEEZ NUTS!!

[@BattleGroundFab]

EDC depends on the weather. Could be a Gucci G19, a Commander Size Rail Gun, P365 or P320. The XDm 3.8, FNS40c and the Shield have been thrown into rotation occasionally.

[@Jellydoughnuthole]

yeah I just carry a five seven or If I feel bored 50AE desert eagle but the colt single action army also gets thrown it some times

[@gabrielevans3531]

5.7 all day

[@Jellydoughnuthole]

@@gabrielevans3531 yeah the perfect package wish I had a P90 to go with it but I sadly only have a FAMAS and quite frankly a colt walker I have in a safe that I never use but I'm ranting G3 FOR LIFE BABY

[@Jellydoughnuthole]

@@gabrielevans3531 though I also have a I think it was called gyrojet? somthin long those lines? tbh im clueless to what it is

[@nickdial8528]

I predicted Sig would this year's ago, simply based on the fact that its ammunition didn't require massive retooling. Logistics is the key to this one, when you don't have to retool ammunition manufacturing, and can use the same type of tooling setups because it uses a steel plate in the brass ammo casing, that makes a huge difference and is absolutely cost affected overall.

[@DerAlleinTiger]

I thought the same thing when I first saw them. SIG wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel or do anything particularly revolutionary. They even made it look similar to the current AR platforms. Familiar gun, simple ammo, and a company that's already been making a lot of guns for the military for years. Who could have guessed it'd be them?

[@nickdial8528]

@@DerAlleinTiger Right, people can complain and wine all they want about sig winning, but if you really look at it with common sense, anyone that knows anything about manufacturing, and cost effectiveness, Sig was really the only logical choice.

[@edwardrichtofen611]

Just as question... I thought Sig and Sauer got defunct and closed?... So.-.. how should they provide rifles now?

[@nickdial8528]

@@edwardrichtofen611 They're not closed. Far from it.

[@edwardrichtofen611]

@@nickdial8528 Yeah just found it out, the mother company and original company closed. Well doesnt matter, german quality on gun will still be delievered true this Sig Sauer ^^

[@indy_the_awesome4615]

The new light machine gun looks scarily like the doom 2016 heavy assult rifle, same with the optic sounding like the scope for it. So we may be heading in that direction

[@Vtolmelon]

I think it is also in modern warfare 2019

[@gregbarnes4083]

@@Vtolmelon The Sig NGSW is also the stardard issue assault rifle in BF2042

[@amogusamogus8490]

@@gregbarnes4083 its a shame that game sucks

[@gregbarnes4083]

@@amogusamogus8490 Ikr its really sad whats become of Battlefield, a fate worse than death imo

[@amogusamogus8490]

@@gregbarnes4083 just got into gaming a few years ago, saw the trailer, heard about the greatness of bf4 and was excited for my first battlefield launch. Boy was I dissapointed

[@Huwbacca]

the ability of this man to overthink things for the worst case scenario is genuinely impressive.

[@logandarnell8946]

huh

[@Firedrake1313]

Possibly, but then again 'prepare for the worst' isn't a bad idea.

[@jpm5772]

Upon research the optic is actually incredibly interesting. It essentially takes into account range, wind and humidity and moves your redecal to compensate. It makes shooting at long ranges much easier for soldiers and requires much less training

[@nurvis3489]

Oh well Shit

[@pbj8933]

The......BONE COLLECTOR!!!! (monster truck arena voice)

[@bioemiliano]

literal autoaim

[@nurvis3489]

@@bioemiliano Breaking news: America banned from WW3 due to using aimbot

[@ObservationofLimits]

Reticle*

[@lelandmiller5965]

Russian soldiers: "Can we please have food and maybe a red dot?" American soldiers: "Holy shit this firearm is more expensive than the house I grew up in."

[@stalkerponocy9116]

This comment is like Springfield because XD

[@FuckTheState]

Imagine carrying a rifle more expensive than the house you grew up in only to get clapped by a bunch of talibros using the same AKs since the soviet invasion.

[@Axl4325]

@@FuckTheState your rifle may be more expensive than the house you grew up in, but their rifles are older than grandpa and are still rocking

[@andyhenderson441]

@FuckTheState Did you miss some recent events? The taliban is using all the equipment we just left behind for free.

[@adamking4347]

@FuckTheState with the range of the 6.8, and (Hopefully) accuracy of the rifles, those AKs are gonna have to get alot closer then the Americans will in gunfights.

[@jaredfischer6040]

The SIG winning was a forgone conclusion. It has the most similar handling to the M4, and it doesn't use weird experimental polymer cases for its ammunition. They wanted something different, but not _too_ different.

[@elvispresley2284]

US Arrmy didn't change at all, they want things different, but not too different

[@raffihakim278]

@@elvispresley2284 It's not that US Army were extremely reluctant for a change. They prioritized Logistic when it comes to NGSW and other Projects. Funding Military is no cheap matters, especially for Global Spanning "Empire". Just look at Russia & China. While they boast about their "Future Capabilities" (China is well known for Advanced Hypersonic Missle Capabilities) they absolutely can't afford to procure in Such large quantities. Not to mention Buttload of Corruption involved (The Main reason Russia Military is screwed)

[@yoU0Turn]

Is the best gun out there? Surely not. It is also not the worst. You I will do just fine. Testing high technology scopes fits in with the efforts to get more and better communication on the field. Not a dumb decision. You can only share info you know. I don’t get why the gun is locked upon so badly.

[@singingwolf3929]

Honestly, after reading an article about the True Velocity rounds, I found them intriguing and would like to see real world testing for them (which I should probably look up at this point given the age of this video 😅 ).

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

Agreed. The sig might be a great rifle, but it’s obvious why it won against the other two. They were clearly worse/too weird.

[@eclipsegst9419]

I wonder how much better this really is than if they had just adopted the AR10 in the first place and modernized it along the way. Sig has made many great products over the years, P210, P226, P230, SIG 556, others i don't wanna keep listing all day, but even as a fan of theirs i'm surprised they pulled all these contracts out of the blue. Then again, the competition here was a couple airplane companies, which makes me wonder if anyone else even took the competition seriously, after how many designs have been "approved" and then abandoned over the years.

[@isaiahmadrid6738]

Looking at the history of military trials/adoptions in the U.S., it's not that surprising that Sig Sauer has been dominating U.S. arms trials lately. The system is designed to favor manufacturers that have optimized their business to fill large government contracts. They're basically the Colt of the modern day. Sam Colt envisioned his company to produce large numbers of arms for government entities through contracts. The 1873, 1892, 1909, and 1911 all came from Colt; it wasn't just handguns either, they produced Gatling guns, machine guns, etc. for the U.S. government. When the U.S. shut down Springfield Armory, the M16 was sold by Colt to the government until they lost that contract to FN, and even then they struck gold with the M4 in the '90s. Since Colt's R&D department basically disappeared in the 2000s, there's been a huge gap in the market for what is essentially the U.S. government's prime manufacturer of arms - Sig Sauer has stepped up to fill that role.

[@geirbjornfergusson1831]

Not gonna lie, that kinda concerns me that Sig has done that. I keep thinking of the drop safety issues on their P320s among other reliability issues in their newer product lines. Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised in the future. I do think the move to 6.8 is a good one but I do want more options for manufacturers of ammo. I don't want to pay $80 a box for 20 rounds.

[@CircaSriYak]

I understand the cynicism but Sig was the underdog here. Textron is a vast international defense conglomerate that makes aerospace and mechanized platforms. They've been around for decades. General Dynamics is the 5th largest defense contractor in the US and the sixth largest in the world. Let me quote wikipedia here. "the corporation today consists of ten subsidiary companies with operations in 45 countries. The company’s products include Gulfstream business jets, Virginia- and Columbia-class nuclear-powered submarines, Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, M1 Abrams tanks and Stryker armored fighting vehicles." Sig USA on the other hand has only been involved in Firearms manufacturing for about 20 years. And that's all they do. By every metric, Sig has the least connections in Washington out of all the companies involved in the NGSW.

[@How23497]

Uninformed person here, what happened to colt? The financial crisis hit em hard or what?

[@seandlax9]

@@CircaSriYak " Sig was the underdog here" Sig was never an underdog. There's an infestation of Sig fanboyism and cronyism in the Army's procurement office. The CFO a couple years ago during the M17 selection and beginning rollout couldn't get Ron Cohen's dick out of his mouth, and worked the shaft and fondled the balls (personal experience from actually meeting him in a gun store and listening to him talk, store employees confirmed that others from that office were the same way). They also have a problem where everyone in that office is a career desk jockey who never say the field making decisions that affect the kit of combat troops, often ignoring combat troops input (the testing teams for the sidearm were surprised that the Sig was selected, it was in 4th place according to most of their lists).

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@How23497 that and Colt didn't sell many guns to civilians up untill recently, so they almost went bankrupt. Also being caught producing expensive rifles and carbines, but the quality was sub-par, losing the contract for the Armed Forces.

[@Toggers99]

I did some math on a few numbers I found on the internet on the velocities and energy. The new 6.8mm/.277 Fury standard is looking to be a 135 grain bullet at around 3000fps for around 2700ft-lbs of energy. Or a 140gr at about 2950fps with the same-ish energy. All of which is at 80K PSI. You know what else fires a 140gr bullet at 2950fps for 2700ft-lbs of energy at a safe 60K PSI? .270 Winchester... Congrats people, we spent who knows how much on this program just to land SQUARELY back at the fucking BAR...

[@nikoclesceri2267]

I’ll take a BAR if they have any lying around

[@bradenmchenry995]

Sig is producing those numbers out of a 16 inch barrel for those tests. That’s extremely impressive

[@pleasehelp2446]

Sig: hey John Moses Browning can I borrow your homework? JMB: sure just change it a little first.

[@Toggers99]

@@bradenmchenry995 so it is. I’m just bitching because we went through this whole nonsense when we could’ve ordered 50 thousand HCARs and asked for it in 270 Win and had the same results. Still a good rifle, we’ve just gone full circle.

[@ImmortanDan]

@@Toggers99 HCARs are heavier, though, with a much longer and heavier round. It’s a literal WW1 machine gun in trendy cargo pants.

[@kenraterink]

The great thing about vortex is they have a lifetime warranty.... which I've used on every vortex optic I've ever owned. Rifle scopes, binoculars... I hope the military options are WAAY better than the consumer offerings

[@bh8066]

Lol no they will be made cheaper probably. I feel you on vortex. Now I get leupold's when they go on sale. Never going back now. I love my Leopold products

[@sierrabravo7368]

Yeah but if your scope fails in the middle of a battle your lifetime is going to end soon

[@OrderOfTheDragan1429]

No just NO.

[@craigthescott5074]

I own quite a few optics from Night Force, Swarovski, Leopold, Nikon, and Vortex and I haven’t had a problem with any of my Vortex yet but If there’s on thing I’ve learned in collecting firearms and optics is you get what you pay for.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

The aimpoint and acog that used to be standard are straight up bomb proof

[@sbrazenor2]

My first thought was that both of the other rifles use a polymer cartridge, whereas Sig uses a bi-metallic construction that can stand a higher pressure level. It's probably able to cycle more reliably.

[@DutchTraveler]

General Dynamics choice was seriously interesting. Their suppressor was designed specifically to be as short as possible without sacrificing barrel length, so they went with short and fat. What is Vortex smoking for that optic?

[@esvete9787]

The GD submission was by far the most interesting to me. I don't see anything in the SIG submission that's really advancing technology. I think GDs ammo really should've been taken at the very least.

[@veldin25]

Seems like you've done zero research on the optic

[@willyvereb]

@@esvete9787 That's the whole point. Sig won by the sheer fact their rifle was just good and didn't include any Space Age bullcrap.

[@thepurplebandit3859]

@@willyvereb so just an excuse for the government to dump more money into the military

[@esvete9787]

@@willyvereb then why adopt another rifle at the cost of millions/billions of dollars? There is a clear leap in technology between the M14 and the M16. The M4 to the XM5 is a sidestep at best. The GD ammo is substantially lighter while still being a rifle cartridge, that is a clear step forward.

[@DingusKhan42]

The general dynamics one was really cool. The plastic ammo seemed really interesting.

[@Sube-Tube]

Cuz we dont have enough plastic everywhere anyways, all we need is the fucking military spending thousands of rounds per hour

[@WINSTONECHAN]

@Dingus Khan You should got and watch task and purpose’s video on the whole thing. He had covered the whole thing from the trials and testing to getting to test fire it himself

[@JayzsMr]

And that's why it wasn't chosen

[@zacharyrollick6169]

It's been tried before. Five years ago, a gunsmith showed me some prototype polymer 5.56 ammo.

[@mapleflag6518]

Plastic ammo?

[@tssteelx]

Miltary: we need this. Military: adopted Military: yeah... that's going to cost to much what can we do with the m4?

[@BustedLimbOutdoors]

They could just sell all the old M4s to the Taliban. I mean we already gave them a bunch. Were like a crack dealer. "The first ones free"

[@jarethhogan3274]

@@BustedLimbOutdoors sell them back to the tax payers at 200% mark up and in semi auto 🤣

[@sixpest]

@@jarethhogan3274 law enforcement / military only lower for sale 700$. GET YOURS NOW

[@llab3903]

@@sixpest as if I’d want a lower that’s been in the hands of a grunt

[@jarethhogan3274]

@@sixpest atf traps haha

[@suuis22]

i love how an EMP can completely disable aiming your weapon with the new optic lol

[@TransistorBased]

Etched reticles with backup illumination are the way

[@suuis22]

@@TransistorBased I personally like ironsights, they're the lowest sights to the barrel and are (usually) adjustable if needed

[@sellmeyoursoul6601]

i swear we live in call of duty shit now prolly exosceletons soon

[@kilowhiskyforge4337]

Something something etched reticle yadda yadda, either way if that's simply lines etched in the glass that you just never see until the lights go out (emp), it strikes me as being completely useless in anything close to darkness. The backup would have to have a secondary set of lights like Transistor said to make the etches function.... But if you got backup lights then why need the damn etches in the first place???

[@dickc.normous6369]

​@TransistorBased I mean if your backup illumination is anything but a fiber optic cable like an ACOG you're still boned. Also I believe the new optic without power is just an LPVO so no it isn't useless after an EMP

[@natm5000]

the only doubt i had in my mind, about sig winning, was that the government might be dumb enough to put a battery-powered rifle into service.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

@@thinkharder9332 But we need to slam sig as much as possible because, fanboi's! LOL

[@jmjedi923]

I'm pretty sure that optic needs a battery, like most modern optics. And flashlights.

[@natm5000]

Im taking about the textron rifle, it had a battery operated feeding system. You guys must not read well. The new optic is battery powered, with an etched reticle , so it doesn't need batteries to function.

[@tarkovenjoyer7636]

@@natm5000 imagine a nuke goes off 150 km away from a whole deployed brigade, and suddenly their gun is not getting fed anymore cuz EMP effects lmao

[@KSmithwick1989]

@@tarkovenjoyer7636 Yeah if EMPs followed Hollywood physics/realism. Considering that effect is a byproduct of detonating nukes in low orbit. Or that EMP resistance has been incorporated into military hardware for over 20 years.

[@garr67]

The new optic is just every Midwest mom ever. “This heat wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the humidity”

[@mr.bobcyndaquil4214]

As an Ohioan, I agree.

[@c_s_8411]

Bro don't hate on my wife. Midwest is a slur, just like redneck or hillbilly. Which us country folk don't appreciate. 🤣

[@c_s_8411]

By the way midwest moms have fostered the best of us in this country to be clear. Hell, one gave birth to me😁

[@thereindeertherabbitthebat592]

Humidity? HA! Y'all come down to Georgia... 🔥😈🔥

[@dixen9116]

@@c_s_8411 Pretty sure everyone agrees the best people in the country are all in Alaska fighting Kodiak bears and Moose or whatever the fuck they do

[@NicholasLaRosa0496]

Anyone who listens to Forgotten Weapons knew immediately that Sig would win. They were the most conventional. The other two was a complex experimental design and the other was a bullpup.

[@GeorgeEstregan828]

Bullpup rifles: Bruh...

[@eljefeamericano4308]

I agree completely. I've known from the first time I saw how complicated these other systems were that they would never win this contest. That's not to say that they aren't interesting, but they had a lot of moving parts.

[@tommothedog]

1st off the textron ACR was a pump action shotgun turned automatic. Think about it.... 2nd Bullpups are being shown to be extremely effective in numerous situations by various top tier armies. Americans dont like it because its not American, but Ukrainians whom are fighting a much tougher fight than anything America has faced in 50 years LOVE their Bullpup. Conventional thinking leads to stalemates and being surprised by unconventional thinking. Its not a superpower.

[@tommothedog]

@@eljefeamericano4308 do you think punp action shotguns are complex?

[@auxchar]

Speaking of Forgotten Weapons, should've submitted the WWSD rifle. Just the small improvments to get the weight down, they'd easily beat out the competition and the M4.

[@BrandonMeyer1641]

I wasn’t surprised. The textron and general dynamics offerings were a bit of a reach and would probably not hold up as well. Really the only worthwhile thing to come from those two was true velocity and their ammo. The government has experience with the mcx platform with the rattler. They have seen good things so it was probably an easy choice.

[@dpulte]

remember when the military went from the garand - a heavy, powerful rifle - to the M14 (kinda same same) to the M16 in an attempt to go to a relatively lightweight, low-recoiling round? and now we're back.

[@BlackBladeGroM]

Since then, theoretical model target (a basic Russian conscript) had acquired a less comfortable equivalent of ESAPI armor as basic kit, and the set of plates for that was about $150 a pair on the civilian market before this whole Ukraine bullshit started. Realistically, an American infantryman in 2030s runs the risk of facing down a mercenary or a volunteer in all-around NIJ IIa armor with NIJ IV plates, custom AK in 7.62 with LPVO or an SVD, both loaded with mil-spec tungsten AP, and with far superior training. They're gonna need all the edge they can get, even at the expense of weight and money. Not that Uncle Sam is going to have any less dollars to throw around...

[@HerpDerpNV]

@@BlackBladeGroM That 6.8 can be negated by a slightly thicker plate that costs nothing to field vs a new rifle that will carry less ammo. The obsession with rifles while the US has almost no tactical air defense and 40 year old artillery SP systems is a symptom of rot.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

It's not just armour, the new optics/firecontrol systems are miniaturised versions of equipment that revolutionised tank combat, the new ammunition and rifles will be better at taking advantage of the changes these fire control systems could make to infantry combat.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

The us does have new sp gun projects see the ERCA weapon program. As for air defense GD already has a 1.2 billion dollar f contract to build more air defenses for thr us military

[@vilecreature8640]

@@HerpDerpNV "slightly thicker plates" means more cost and more wieght. And more thickness doesn't mean more protection, it will turn into a 10 year contract to make new lightweight body armor that can stop the round. Also the round has better ballistics at range than 5.56, we have been able to use 5.56 because the people we have been fighting have been living in huts or caves using leftover guns from ww2 and desert storm.

[@FriskyDecisions]

I live in a ‘gun free country’, I have a Spartan sword and shield for home defense. In may 2021 3 men broke in my house whilst I was upstairs about to take a nap, I ran down stairs in zebra print boxers and the first guy turned and ran out the front door, the second followed him and the third was just stood there with a bottle of tequila in one hand from my bar. The dude was terrified he dropped the bottle and tried to run past me, got clattered with the riot shield and grabbed by the back of his sweats to where they came down with his boxers and the look on his face him looking up and back at me from the floor was priceless. He scrambled out like a lizard and 3 days later was found dead after he got thrown off a 5th floor balcony trying to rob someone else…

[@aaronwild2894]

Savage

[@summitgoons2744]

This...this is my favorite comment on this channel so far

[@bvoyelr]

That's it. Defenestration violence is far too high in your country. They need to ban high altitude defenestration. a second-floor defenestration is all anybody needs to defend their lives. Moreover, that criminal may still be alive today had his killer attempted a warning defenestration first, or at worst defenestrated him such that he landed on his leg.

[@charlesfollette9692]

Went Old Testament on him didn’t they, surprised he tried another b&e

[@Token_Black_Guy]

Bro that's pretty baller

[@jaydenchyr5412]

I went to my local range yesterday and shot my first firearm. It was awsome! I shot a .45 ACP 1911 and now I cant wait to go back. I am a huge fan of your channel, and your videos are what sparked my interest in guns. I would like to thank you for that and wish you a great day!

[@zendell37]

Rad dude! I'm glad you could join the club. It's a fun hobby and used to be much easier, but it's getting better. Shoot responsibly!

[@jaydenchyr5412]

@@zendell37 thanks! Cheers to you!

[@gladbag2005]

Another pro gun nubster was born this day lets all stop and share in a moment of silence for this revered moment.

[@jelanigarvey713]

Welcome…..to a life full of crippling debt.

[@ryanrasmussen5346]

Nice man 45s a great round 👍👍

[@jhill7009]

For the carry question, I usually carry a S&W M&P Shield chambered in .45ACP. I also have a Glock 20 and a Colt Python.

[@anonymou5spaz940]

I was dying laughing when you said "optic is now capable of giving the blue screen of death" 🤣

[@MrNylarhotep]

On the topic of that magic fire control thing, let me quote something Robert Heinlein wrote in the bok Starship Troopers "If you load a mud foot down with a lot of gadgets that he has to watch, somebody a lot more simply equipped-say with a stone ax-will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a vernier."

[@ravenwing199]

It's not so complicated you look at thing you click a button and the scope gives you the perfect spot to aim.

[@sebbydoug]

When I was in the Marine Corps we had a saying, "Never forget the gear you're using was made by the lowest bidder."

[@-perrywinkle-]

Sig was the only one even capable of winning, did you see the truly unhinged internals of the textron rifle, an up and down oscillating chamber with an ejection port in the actual handguard

[@KC_Smooth]

I think the General Dynamics rifle’s reciprocating barrel was a perfect idea to help manage the recoil of that massive chamber pressure. If the Sig Rifle bid had a recoil reduction system like that on its rifle variant, I’d be more excited for it. The Sig Machine gun looks phenomenal though!

[@daboppa8991]

My thoughts exactly. I really liked the general dynamics bid

[@mutilator97]

@@paulbarclay4114 No it doesn't. None of the rifles need a battery. Though, I do hope that GD releases their rifle for public use. It's still a good gun design, and I know that plenty of people would love to have one(my roommate included).

[@FFFF-x9i]

How to manage recoil: 1. Learn to shoot 2. Solid shooting position 3. Don't be a pussy

[@paalrh]

was the bid a package deal? Like if they wanted the MG did they have to choose the rifle aswell? Because that MG looks like it might have sealed the deal if thats the case

[@KC_Smooth]

@@paalrh I don't think that has been stated, but it's highly probable that they would be a package deal. Easier logistics and keeps things in one manufacturers hands. Not to mention they all use different variants of the 6.8 ammo specification.

[@GeneralG1810]

Soldier 1 "Hey I got my new rifle with that all in one optic" Soldier 2 "Cool is it super heavy like they say?" Soldier 1 "Actually the gun isn't THAT bad, but all the batteries I need to carry for the optic are a bit much!"

[@ricojes]

inb4 aftermarket battery speedloaders.

[@joedirt7604]

So true. a lightweight flashlight is irrelevant when it gets 300% more heavy when its "loaded"

[@KertaDrake]

Bring on the beltfed AAs!

[@jamesregan2181]

There will be multiple opportunities to recharge batteries at the objective just like the video game reloads.

[@gabrielevans3531]

Emp entered the chat

[@How23497]

I think that even if they don’t adopt the XM5 I reckon they’ll seriously consider the XM250, less than half the weight seems like such a massive improvement

[@c.j.3404]

Frankly if they don’t adopt the xm5 then I see no reason why they would adopt the xm250 when textron had by far the better machine gun offering.

[@commie4164]

half the weight firing a much larger round at, lets just say, 2x the pressure. that gun is gonna knock the piss out of the shooter, no one is gonna like shooting that thing for more than a couple bursts

[@greggstrasser5791]

@@c.j.3404 Name that J: Ron Cohen That’s why.

[@kylecarey934]

Sometimes lighter means less durability but it would be less of a butch to carry

[@copo2835]

Weight helps with recoil mitigation.

[@theonlytnargmatt]

With the computing power the vortex has there is a scary high chance that you will be able to run doom on your optic.

[@johne5493]

I agree with "Task and Purpose" when he said you also had to consider the average soldier doing maintenance and cleaning. The SIG is more familiar to the M4 and the General Dynamics was WAAYYYY to complicated for ease of use and cleaning.

[@Sarge-jn5ps]

Also consider that most army recruits have never held a weapon before, being that they are 17 to 19 at time of entry. The typical soldier has to get 2 weeks of familiarization with the weapon before they have any idea what they are doing with it.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

soldiers be soldiers

[@eljefeamericano4308]

I agree with this as well. Specialists who are really dedicated to their weapons and their craft can be trusted with something a bit more intricate.

[@CallsignWulf]

There was some channel complaining that people should hold their comments on things they don't know. I could easily tell a flaw with that gun without having used it. You are behind or beside cover. You want to rest weapon against cover to return fire. Do like you do with any other rifle and rest forearm on the cover. Using sandbags for example. Now you can't get more than a round off cause it won't eject out the bottom/side. Gun seemed like a terrible idea from the start.

[@travism4477]

Only idiots can't learn quickly how to breakdown/maintain a new rifle........ come on guys do you think so little of your soldiers?

[@slimgrim4851]

The optic looks like something straight out of Ghost Recon: Future Soldier

[@dcbadger2]

Considering that two defense conglomerates lost to the actual gun manufacturer actually warms my heart.

[@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469]

Same

[@jingq2]

You don’t think sig is a defense conglomerate? Weird.

[@TimberwolfCY]

@@jingq2 Sig is great and they're definitely diversifying in the last several years but....General Dynamics is *far* more a conglomerate than Sig is.

[@andog6092]

Might not think that when they start falling apart like the sig pistols.

[@dediKtion1986]

Yeah, "Cessna rifle" makes me uncomfortable

[@MUFFiB]

weapon quality isn't the only factor in seeing if the weapon could be military issued, the location of the facilities how many and how fast they can produce is another factor to take in account.

[@WhatIfBrigade]

If Forgotten Weapons has taught me anything it is that military contracts have more to do with politics, luck, low costs and good timing than designing the best firearm. "Do bureaucrats like your gun? Did it perform well in arbitrary tests?"

[@rylian21]

Did you grease the right palms or promise the right officers lucrative enough "consultation" positions with the company when they retire after the process? The military contracting/procurement process is three things: graft, graft, and more graft.

[@dannyblack721]

thats pretty much the gist of the entirety of the military industrial complex friend.

[@WhatIfBrigade]

@@rylian21 I assume successful companies already hired the right people long ago. Promises would be unreliable compared to a company with an existing veterans hiring program.

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

This. GD was the superior rifle. It’s design is so much more mechanically elegant and efficient due to its wholesale adoption of the bullpup format. Sig tried to stick next gen performance into a last gen format. What you get is galactic chamber pressure, extremely heavy for what it does, god awful ammo design, and a very complicated gas-piston system that tries so desperately to do it all the while “looking like the rifle we all know and understand”. This has high level corruption and insider preferential treatment all over it. Sig pulled some strings and stole this from GD.

[@jkausti6737]

Also that even if your gun wins a contract, that doesn't really mean that it will be implemented in any real numbers.

[@rdxdt]

Vortex in 5 years: We present you the optic that has an HDMI input for watching your favorite stream service while you're in combat.

[@msgtpauldfreed]

Hahahahahahah!

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

Live stream with your government issue Only Fans girlfriend. Cockette Carousella 🎠 is fiercely loyal to you and every other swinging ____ in the company.

[@joshuamasterson7677]

U.S. Military: M14 too heavy recoil to much Also U.S. Military fifty years later: Heavier! Hotter ammo than ever before!

[@UncleSarge]

Right but the M14 fires .308 with a HUGE rate of fire that thing is completely insane.

[@capella95]

There is nothing new under the sun, it has all been done before

[@TimberwolfCY]

@@UncleSarge Insane *for the first round*....after that it's just a hose throwing lead everywhere but where it needs to go. So it will be with this new rifle I think.

[@UncleSarge]

@@TimberwolfCY no I know, but the M14 was firing a round bigger than the one they've proposed, and with a ridiculous fire rate. First one was probably on target but the next 10 were NOT

[@TimberwolfCY]

@@UncleSarge Ha ha, no doubt, fair enough. Though with 80,000 PSI, I'm not convinced it's gonna perform any better than .308 in that regard :/

[@granatmof]

The optic is actually the key component. The presumption is that peer adversaries would be able to see night vision lasers with their night vision, the auto range finding weapons will reduce the visibility and increase accuracy, with the variable optic accounting for the angle and rotation of the gun. Also how do you complain about blackpowder and not air powered rifles not falling under ATF?

[@BigWheel.]

SHHHHHHH don't let them know air rifles exist.

[@thelonehussar6101]

I figured Sig would win. Their rifle seemed the least…….weird

[@knightraithwall8924]

And I believe they won the handgun contract partly because they offered a low price per firearm. there is a chance that also put them ahead of competition.

[@that1randomguy382]

I would’ve loved to see the military implement that bullpup instead. It would’ve been cool to finally have a different looking and feeling rifle than the m4 look alike

[@b-beale1931]

Aka least innovative/futureproof

[@trailblazer632]

@@that1randomguy382 could you imagine the retraining for all the current grunts on a bullpup lol

[@ianmills9266]

@@that1randomguy382 Yeah, the specs for the bulpup look good but I suppose it's easier to implement something with a similar platform to what the military is already using. That and textron had a very badly placed ejection port. How many troops would of placed a hand there?

[@thelastfenian3462]

Sig actually has a civilian line of MCX Spear rifles available. It’s a limited line that’s exactly the same as the military version just without the selector (suppressor including). It’s just ridiculously priced at around 7 to 9 thousand before the tax stamp. I hope they make a less collector edition oriented one that’s more affordable soon now that they got the contract.

[@ostiariusalpha]

You've got to hit that knee-jerk, gotta-have-it-first collector market while the iron is hot, then after you're done laughing maniacally, you reduce the price bit by bit to hit up every next level of chump on the way down to a sane and reasonable MSRP.

[@bencejuhasz6459]

"SIG-Sauer wins contract" "General Dynamics crying with all the money they are going to get, thanks to the 'Ukraine-Russia game is going to cause the US government to give them more money to upgrade the M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank fleet". A Hungarian Armour Enthusiast

[@alexjohnson5677]

Két évig éltem Magyarországon. Főleg Budapesten voltam, de Szolnokon és Szombathelyen is laktam, és néhány másik. gyönyörű szép az az ország

[@marcusborderlands6177]

Honestly lmfao

[@TiernanWilkinson]

@@marcusborderlands6177 "Another beautiful day in the Military Industrial Complex!"

[@Landsersajer]

Sucks I invested so much in general dynamics and Raytheon

[@How23497]

M1A3 coming soon I’d bet, I saw that the US Congress was getting pretty mad at all the SepVXXX models

[@calamityhex3729]

It's strange the lmg is so light yet the sig rifle is so heavy. Honestly I feel like the rifle whould work better as a DMR and in the event we get into a brawl with a major super power then upscale production. But that's probably easier said then done so take my idea with fistful of salt.

[@tryit7616]

I’m honestly a little relived that sig won. If I remember, General dynamics and textron said they wouldn’t sell semi auto versions of their rifles to civilians if they won. That just sat wrong with me. But yes, sig does bribe.

[@tryit7616]

@Riorozen Oh well that's good lol. guess we can live with 2/3

[@kevinfitzpatrick5949]

The MCX is 8k. So no, it's not really made for civilians. Not your average citizen anyway

[@thekraken1173]

@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 When there is demand and serial production, the price will decrease over time. And people who live in lucky countries will buy it.

[@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917]

@@kevinfitzpatrick5949 Gunbroker shows Sig MCX's in 5.56 for $2200-$3000 There is one dude selling a bonafide a MCX spear (.277) listing though for $18,000 though. It's even got 1 bid lol.

[@culturalliberator9425]

F##k anyone not willing to sell their weapons to the public. Government boot lickers won't get my money. Well, the guns are also ridiculously ugly.

[@evergreen4103]

People wondering how SIG keeps winning have to realize it isn't about who makes the best guns. It's about who makes the cheapest gun that fits the requirements and can take a beating

[@dealspeed6756]

This ☝️

[@lastdayonearth8381]

Corruption. We Are Turning Into Russia. This Will Become Our Ak12. People Will Be Begging For The Previous Generation Of Rifle. Aka Some Of The Best Rifles On Earth That Didn't Need Fixing: Ak74M And M4A1 Carbine.

[@Rrgr5]

Also they offered a carbine version, which none of the others did, for that on it was obvious who would win.

[@PabloIrauzqui]

🧢

[@TalesOfWar]

@@Rrgr5 I'm kind of surprised FN didn't throw their hat into the ring with the SCAR platform. It has full size, carbines, compacts and DMR's all under the same basic modular system chambered in both 5.56 and 7.62. Or did they and just didn't get anywhere?

[@kx250fforlife]

I wonder if even though they chose this gun, if they'll actually swap out m4's with it or if it will end up like the scar. I cant imagine too many people that have been using the m4 wanting to swap to this.

[@Azure_Razgriz]

my everyday carry in AZ for the last three years has been a beretta m1951 naval model with wood grips. I lovingly refer to it as my RCPD handgun

[@the1warboar]

The year is 2030. An American unit is under fire overseas, they go to engage, then all of their optics collectively receive a windows 14 update.

[@JaxxGaming7997]

😂

[@andrews.5212]

At least is not an apple upgrade forcing you to buy a new optic xD

[@leroystill3178]

On the carry gun question: if I hadn't lost all my guns in a horrible fishing incident, I would be toting a Taurus 605 with a couple speed loaders of .357mag

[@johnb8440]

Sp101 in 357 was lost in my own boating accident.

[@johnmitchell923]

Based I also would carry a 605 if all my guns weren't lost while boating

[@rudyschwab7709]

I legitimately sold all of my guns to several dear friends of mine. Coincidentally, I clipped their obituaries out of the newspaper as they passed on and I keep them in a scrap book for memories' sake.

[@cliffordharton459]

Dang, we all have such horrible luck. My firearms were also lost on a fishing trip some where at sea. Tis a shame my Tarus Judge was lost.

[@LaughingMan44]

Sig's entry here objectively looks better on paper than the other two. It's way more conventional in terms of firing mechanism, layout and ammunition for a start.

[@isosev]

Yeah its more conventional but that Textron was just like looking at a swiss watch work. Man its cool how it functions.

[@ostiariusalpha]

The SIG weapon certainly has objectively heavier ammo than the other two candidates. Like substantially heavier.

[@firedeath1154]

@@isosev really cool to see it work, but man, i doubt it would be very fun to clean.

[@ostiariusalpha]

@@isosev It was pretty unconventional, but the Textron gun wasn't really mechanically more complex than a typical rifle action. It wasn't quite mature enough in all the small design details though that make a firearm reliable though.

[@kevinholes99]

@@ostiariusalpha gotta remember the average private has the iq slightly above room temp

[@daleleighton]

OMG...it may be 3am right now for me - a time when traditionally, everything seems funny due to tiredness, but that last frame stating, "Straight up fucking missed -- how embarrassing"..... that really cracked me up to no end..!!!!!!! Sometimes bloopers are the best part of a video, and I don't want to detract from the rest of the content, because I enjoy a lot of your vid's, but please keep including bloopers, because when you are watching youtube content for mostly entertainment value (like I am), then bloopers are sometimes THE BOMB..!!!!! Cheers, -- Dale L.

[@czchad5773]

Remember when the Army spent millions of dollars on a camo pattern because "it looked cool"? Pepperidge farms Remembers

[@vyros.3234]

Looking cool is a deterrent

[@bkane573]

And people died because of it.

[@ChrisHuppey]

Only millions?

[@blackhawk7r221]

You had to go there. Now get the beret talk over with.

[@nickm5647]

8:13 the XM250 is NOT replacing the M240, it’s replacing the M249 as the SAW. There’s a separate contract for a .338 Norma Mag MMG to replace the M240

[@sirdo946]

Holy fuck, .338 MMG? We gonna have 20mm replace .50s soon lol

[@NozePicker]

Arma 3 really predicted the future

[@krispinwah2784]

@@NozePicker that's what I've been saying these past few days

[@eljefeamericano4308]

@@sirdo946 Crazy, right? That's some serious range and accuracy potential for a belt-fed weapon!

[@cantmatchthethatch1472]

Sweet Baby Jesus, .338 MMG? Pray for the brave shoulders that will have to endure the inevitable, experimental "Shoulder Firing for Funises".

[@SuppliceVI]

GD partnered with Beretta to make the bullpup for civilian use. It's called the Genesis. Kinda wish it was selected, because then the entire might of the US Military Industrial Complex's blank checkbook could have been used to correct regular bullpup problems. Also potato suppressor

[@devonlord99]

Exactly!! People seem to act like the common issues with bullpups can’t just be solved with some investment the same way as any issue with a conventional rifle.

[@raylandraybels9462]

Exactly. Also, missing out on a delta p suppressor that lasts the life of the barrel is overlooked.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And there are fine bullpups, just not many.

[@bradborton4802]

Do you feel great giving an Italian company your $$$? Why you think they keep awarding contracts to American companies? This ain’t the 80’s anymore!

[@SuppliceVI]

@@bradborton4802 Ah yes, Sig Sauer, an American company. As opposed to General Dynamics and True Velocity, those damn Italians!

[@Kitsune_Frost]

I carry a 1911. I love the platform and it works for me.

[@bishopm4401]

After all the trials that ended with “these are better but we’re gonna stick with the M4” it’s wild to think they’re actually switching to a new service rifle

[@wc2195]

@PenitentDeadMan308 T why would it be a mistake?

[@ironCondor623]

@@wc2195 cause 5.56 is theoretically equally lethal at 250-300 meters as .308 is, and having an extra 10 bullets is a pretty big advantage

[@42ndsheep]

Let's be real, the gun they picked is basically an M4 remastered lol

[@Aliyah_666]

@@42ndsheep exactly...its a rehash

[@bernardoohigginsvevo2974]

Well they still might not go for a full delivery

[@mowgli2071]

US military > Relaxes physical fitness standards > Adopts heavier rifle

[@imperatornoinga3646]

How progressive!

[@22LR.addict]

So will the Army now have an IT department inside the armory to fix these optics or is field repairable by removing then reinstalling the battery?

[@watchonjar]

its not that deep if the batery dies or the computer is fucking up you can turn the whole thing off/take of the top part and you have a normal but weird looking 1-8x lpvo

[@victorbruce5772]

Waiting for sight to reboot ............

[@watchonjar]

@@victorbruce5772Its an augmented reality scope not a digital one. When the battery dies you still have a normal 1-8x lpvo

[@abigailbracy3082]

Pft… probably not. They will just have a training class for the armors to be able to upkeep the equipment. No new specialized job/MOS for crap like that. The Army is too cheap for that.

[@22LR.addict]

@@watchonjar so in essence this is a newer style B.O.R.S?

[@maab4324]

Good video. I carry a Taurus 9mm when i carry concealed, and a HiPoint 9mm when I open

[@sageemerald7685]

Sig made a gun you can bench-press to keep soldiers fit in the trenches of ww3.

[@UnknownOps]

US Army: "Thanks, never knew I need to be a NASA Scientist to operate this telescopic nightmare." US Marine Corps: "AS LONG IT CAN PLAY MUSIC AND PORN, IT'S FUCKING NASA TO ME!"

[@ravenwing199]

The sight litterally just shifts your reticle so you can get hits. The fuck are you guys thinking it does? Its an autoaim ACOG not a fucking COD HUD.

[@kiki4910]

Only og filthy frank fans will get that one

[@AlpacaButts]

"When you're trying to fire but your optic won't stop telling you how humid it is" made me laugh so fucking hard.

[@Bushy12]

I legit looked at it for a solid four seconds before I went "Scope, say, bad things, wont let fire. SMASH GUN *Cave man noises*

[@justinhutyler2385]

Sig P365 with the XL grip. Very much like the size, accuracy, and reliability with several types of ammunition. So far no parts breakage and seems to quite durable. I would recommend this to anyone looking for something to carry. Remember that training is much more important than equipment.

[@americanraised2608]

So who would win a group of combat soldiers with high points and Kel tec rifles or a group of decently trained civilians with Glocks and LMT rifles?

[@chrism4008]

Im really torn between that and the new 10mm m&p compact

[@RobbieBobbie98]

Completely agree with you. My Seal buddies all home carry P365’s with 12 round mags. I do too and for me it’s the perfect combination of comfort, reliability and most importantly accuracy.

[@bradhertzler4451]

@ AmericanRaised they aren't going to recommend them if they keep malfunctioning. Cheap crap doesn't usually perform well, especially in the field of battle.

[@justinmaxwell4925]

@@americanraised2608 hi-point keeps surviving torture tests.. let's say Kahr or SCCY.. lmao

[@noodles7157]

Brandon looking more and more like “The most interesting man in the world” everyday.

[@debbiestimac5175]

His GF won't be allowing any of that kind of behavior, he's on a bit of a short leash... probably more like a chastity cage. Heather saw the dynamic big time, her facial expressions were priceless at the last group dinner. "Blink twice if you need me to pick that lock, you don't deserve to be denied access to your own wiener, no matter what she says!" 😜

[@jaminsim5965]

I don't always say "I don't always," but when I do, I say "but when I do."

[@NinjaEnShort]

Considering the price, complexity of the rifle, what happened with the P320 and the increasing problems I've seen on anything designed after the 90s... I'm willing to bet the Spear will be issued to a few unit, get shitloads of issues, and these same units will go back to either the M4 or will get HK417 (or other AR10 derivates) and switch the barrels to the new cartridge... assuming they can make it with quality with production in the millions instead of "boutique batches".

[@bombomos]

Yup lmfao

[@logankent5865]

My thing is why make a whole new rifle system? Like the AR-15 platform is such an adaptable system why not rebarrel the AR or just at the very most do an upper swap, it would be cheaper and easier to reissue then starting a whole new logistical line for a whole new weapons system. This is the Vietnam Era m14 thing all over again.

[@jimclayron417]

Yea, you realize MCX’s have already been used in combat for the past couple years and there is a reason they are using them, because they are solid weapons. So unless you know more about it then the CAG or Devgru guys then the MCX spear should be fine lol

[@jimclayron417]

@@logankent5865 yea because you know better than the entirety of the US Military right.

[@connorfoley-walker5672]

@@jimclayron417 uh dude source on them being "used in combat for years" ? Or maybe you can just stop talking out your ass?

[@JumpyWizardz]

I feel bad for textron, I feel that the development of their rifle and ammo was the answer for most of the military complaints with just an adjustment to manual of arms.

[@ostiariusalpha]

It really was, it was actually a very innovative and exciting design, and the military brass heavily put their thumb on the scale to favor Textron; they very much wanted that lightweight polymer case-telescoped ammo. The problem was that SIG's conventional action could draw upon many decades of engineering refinements, while Textron's novel design didn't even have a single decade of maturation. And it ended up showing badly in reliability testing during the competition trials.

[@megawolfr1986]

@@ostiariusalpha at the end of the day, there is one thing that is most important. When you press trigger, gun goes bang. The more conventional design, decades of experience and more reliable gun make sig a better choice.

[@fifteen8850]

@@megawolfr1986 imo it’s kinda like the og ak12. Good, forward thinking tech, but unreliable as ever (on top of being 6x the price of an ak74m)

[@xavierh.5102]

Among other things I actually think the textron design really would have benefited from being bullpup-ed. Would have put the ejection port right above the firing hand like a pistol. No more brass to the hand like the current design and no more brass to the face like a conventional bullpup. But agreed, I understand why it didn't win but it's still a damn shame. Would have been the biggest advancement in firearms in 50+ years.

[@bradenmchenry995]

That thing was complete trash it couldn’t cycle reliably

[@petersmythe6462]

I would not be too worried about 5.56x45 availability. The US takes awhile to adopt new platforms and certainly with all the rearmament in Europe, a lot of 5.56 military demand will continue to exist.

[@DD-sw1dd]

Sig makes there own ammo along with building there own platform. They make great firearms, but it really helps there cause that they make there own ammo when it comes to govt contracts. In the pistol competition, it was odd that the govt required a package of ammo and weapon considering SIG was the only competitor that did both.

[@andruloni]

Where own?

[@biohazard724]

THEIR FOR FUCK SAKE IT'S THEIR

[@abnnuzzinicholasclay686]

@@biohazard724 there always doing that pisses me off

[@DD-sw1dd]

@@biohazard724 Their…there..whatever. I don’t give a crap about writing perfect grammar in a KZbin comment section. The autocomplete finishes the words and I role with it.

[@biohazard724]

@@abnnuzzinicholasclay686 I'm gonna steal your windows

[@cynicanal111]

Re: Bribery or "SIG being better", you're forgetting the third option -- they were cheapest.

[@Jebotito]

@Uhhuh yeah because you want a prototype AR-15 replacement. The army won't pay that money for service rifles

[@andog6092]

If that is true or not, sig always undercuts comp for bragging right almost. There is a sheriffs department down here that was looking for a new duty gun, to replace glock 22 and 23s. Sig came in and offered them the 320s for free almost. The department paid to upgrade to night sights and accessories, holsters mag pouches, and they where to trade in their glocks to sig directly. Within a month there were so many issues the department requested their glocks back and found out sig had sold them. In the end they dropped the 320 and ended having to buy all new glocks. Even a few people in the military has talked about how cheap the 320 feels and they are falling apart already. So another low balled contract where people aren't happy with the finished product. Great example of the opposite of this, look at border patrol, secret service, and cost guard. They also did their own testing where cost didn't factor into the descion. All ended up going with glock. Sig continues to make inferior product qnd undercut other companies. The military should have the best, not the cheapest

[@eljefeamericano4308]

@@andog6092 I haven't been impressed with their newest offerings, myself. Always liked their metal-framed, hammer-fired guns, though. Those things were tanks.

[@neowolf09]

@@eljefeamericano4308 the p232 is like a James bond style gun. Love that thing.

[@eljefeamericano4308]

@@neowolf09 That was really a beautiful gun, I agree!

[@valorhonour3282]

Honestly, SIG has just delivered exactly what the military has wanted with their two programs. Their handgun, while I like Glock and carry with them, fit exactly what the military wanted with the drop in fire control group. As for the rifle, I think they played it extremely safe and ended up winning because of it. They simply improved almost everything but didn’t try anything experimental like the other two. Plus it’s just a sexy rifle man.

[@Ramboterminator2]

Exactly. And why not stick with the same company if possible? Makes more sense that way

[@jackofalltradesmasterofnon5765]

The drop in fire control that Soldiers are not allowed to remove even though it is specifically designed to be removed by the operator. But that's an Army problem not a Sig problem. I'd bet money the other reason sig got the contract is price. They undercut everyone on the pistol price and were able to get it. Most likely did the same with the rifle ad offered it at a better price. That and like you said, its familiar.

[@spencermaisey7550]

Talk to some of the dudes who tested the ngsw. The sig was just way better

[@Bacteriophagebs]

Yeah, their designs have merit, unlike how Colt kept getting manufacturing contracts despite being THE WORST company at actually delivering the requesting number of guns on time.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

glock is garbage and sig is garbage. general dynamics and textron should have both won, and m&p 2.0 should have won the handgun competition. sig and glock just sell their products for cheap and then recoup their losses in the civilian and police market. glock is infamous for cost saving marketed as revolutionary "safe action" concept. a million glock legs/crotches later, the fanboys are still under that spell.

[@Thevishisland]

It's funny because the cartridge they are using is a full powered cartridge so it's considered a battle rifle and a medium machine gun but apparently we have idiots saying it's an assault rifle and an lmg

[@Dave-ou6lf]

Me: Watches an expert give his take on a firearm Also me: Won't take my gun all the way apart because I'm afraid I won't be able to get it back together.

[@reefread1234]

you better learn or you're just basically neglecting and abusing your gun, also I don't even know what kind of gun you're talking about some guns are better off not being fully taken apart its depends on the gun but barrels chambers and bolts slides need to be cleaned regularly if the gun is used moderately

[@DarmacQ]

@@reefread1234 you can clean all of that with very little disassembly on most guns

[@1JamesZ]

Man, people take comments way too seriously 🤣

[@eljefeamericano4308]

I've always been too into guns to help myself, but man... some guns are NOT intuitive. Especially .22s! There are some crazy procedures for taking some of those little things apart and, hopefully, getting them back together.

[@bwofficial1776]

I thought I was smart today because I managed to put drop-in parts into my Smith & Wesson Shield. I know John Moses Browning designed the 1911 to be completely stripped using only its own parts and the rim of a .45 but that 111-year-old design has so many small bits it intimidates me.

[@wallamazoo01]

The topic of ghost guns is hilarious. The idea that you can just make a gun with parts you bought across state borders and say that it was manufactured before the ban is absurd and I love it. Also, speaking of which, I recently tested one such build finally and found the magazine was causing issues? Well, I fixed that issue right up!

[@copo2835]

I don't see how an LMG that weighs like half what the 240 does, and shoots what seems to be a seriously spicy round, is not gonna beat the fuck out of optics and the shooter. Also, excessive barrel erosion seems like a legit concern. 147gr 7.62x51 M80 runs about 2800fps out of a 22in barrel, and the 175gr M118 runs about 2600fps. This 6.8x51 Fury is running 3000fps out of a 16in barrel, with a 135gr bullet. That's pretty damned spicy, which isn't great for barrel longevity.

[@Rozic745]

Free floating barrel and the videos I've seen on it the barrel swap is incredibly easy. You make great points though.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Here's hoping it's got a *hefty* recoil absorption system lol

[@eljefeamericano4308]

I would say something about the potential of favorable pressure curves, but with an 80,000psi max pressure figure, that's right out the window. I imagine barrel life is going to be pretty lackluster.

[@comiketiger]

@@eljefeamericano4308 now correct me if you know better. The new ammo design is not generating the heat in the chamber as traditional ammo does. Take this with a grain of thought. I don't know if this is the exact ammo I saw a review of. Not enough details. Bit this lack of heat generated is supposedly helping chamber pressures and barrel life. It was either Guns and ammo or shooting times. If I'm wrong forgive me. But it might spark you guys looking into it.

[@eljefeamericano4308]

@@comiketiger I hadn't heard that, but I wondered if that was the case! It was the only way I could see those pressures not absolutely wrecking a barrel.

[@leftypistolero5983]

I pocket carry a .357 magnum Chiappa Rhino snubby (200DS) and a Glock 40 10mm in a shoulder rig. I try to always carry the Glock but... it gets a bit hot sometimes and I can't bring myself to do it. I clean the Glock pretty often, but do a full clean every six months and apply a new layer of slide glide to it.