Carl Radke & Kyle Cooke Talk Break Up Trauma | Summer House After Show S8 E15 Pt. 2 | Bravo

[@bravo]

Watch Part 1 of the Summer House Season 8 Episode 15 After Show: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGfHmqVqq96mY7c

[@nicholebent2661]

Lindsay wanted the VPR Arianna effect aka major opportunities for her fake blindsided crap 🤣 girl bye 👋🏼

[@maloriepierce5377]

Amanda saying how Lindsay believes her own versions of the truth was spot on! I know people like this and it’s so true! Lindsay took the truth and twisted it so she was a blindsided victim and not a major issue in the fallout of their relationship

[@chamobot]

Lindsay was mourning the loss of a wedding and a baby and the white picket fence before 36, she wasn’t mourning the relationship with Carl…

[@KayVaughn-x8p]

Spot on!!

[@AnaCorreia-r9y]

100 percent

[@cali-tm1ec]

Lindsay's grief over the breakup seems very rehearsed and where are the tears, since she loved him for 8 years. she never loved him she just wanted to get married. she not a good actress😅

[@ginadepompei7324]

Excellent summary!

[@SB-hj9ue]

@@cali-tm1ecthe stiffest acting

[@lynnetracey8828]

Paige 100% sees Lindsey for who she really is. The tears aren’t for losing Carl. They’re for losing the future baby & stay-at-home mom life she wanted.

[@riseandfall...]

The edit where everyone was like “were we shocked? NO!” 😂

[@JuliaB1955]

Amanda actually gave good advice to Kyle regarding Carl. No direction, just listen. Atta girl, Amanda!

[@robbainbridge1297]

West is so young. He’s 28 and acts like a teenager. Glad Ciara didn’t invest too much of herself.

[@fartdukenukem5844]

They’re in a relationship now & boning

[@lipkin108]

@@fartdukenukem5844 they are? From the trailer of the reunion it doesn’t look like it? Where did u read they are dating

[@fartdukenukem5844]

@lipkin108 Ciara gave it away in an interview she did with idk the woman’s name but she said in an interview about 2 or 3 weeks ago

[@JMicheleS33]

@@fartdukenukem5844last fall, as soon as the cameras stopped rolling and girls started sliding into his dms is when it ended, West started sleeping with others and dumped Ciara.

[@cvp2000]

Carl needed those cameras as a witness to the conversation so it couldn't get twisted. Yet, Lindsay still did 😂

[@skentel]

THIS

[@maryjacobsen6539]

Absolutely! He knew Lindsay would tell a different story than what actually happened.

[@sogiki]

West needs a major reality check. Don’t say I love you and call a woman baby if you don’t want to send mixed messages. You’re an adult. You know better than that. Don’t play dumb to avoid being called a louse.

[@123paramorefan]

I’m so irritated by him and he’s being so rude in this

[@krnstc]

Carl is not a saint but damn he dodged a bullet

[@ZEBEEtheoriginal]

Yep

[@lizdocabo]

They both did 😮‍💨

[@Tquin55]

He had the bravery to end it before the wedding. They both knew it wasn’t healthy. I would be terrified in his position.

[@lastlaugherboss]

Lol, I didnt see your comment till after. I feel and commented the same thing. 😅

[@dolphinsky24]

No wonder West hasn’t had a relationship since he was a teen. It’s not about him calling everyone “baby,” it’s about him treating Ciara like everyone else. When you like someone, you should treat them differently than you do others. It just shows he didn’t take her seriously romantically which means she was right to not sleep with him.

[@ZEBEEtheoriginal]

Bubba =/= Baby. They couldn't find one clip of this dude calling anyone "Baby".

[@fartdukenukem5844]

They together now & sleeping together

[@kayla7026]

@@fartdukenukem5844no they’re not

[@elizabethcaruso1461]

Agree. Hate to say it but West is a hot mess. It looks like he never showers & his clothes are always a wrinkled mess & his hair also messy.

[@sorayafarah446]

EXACTLY!

[@AbsolutAlim]

Saying Lindsay truly believes her version of how things went on is saying she’s DELUSIONAL 😂

[@Jadae.annmarie]

Paige ALWAYS calls a spade a spade and I truly love that about her! Gabby has to stop drinking the juice and riding so hard for Lindsey. I get it that's your friend but she was not perfect in the relationship so let her vent but don't bash anyone, we all saw they shouldn't get married.

[@barberiabrown8848]

Gabby won't be satisfied until Lindsay treat her like she Danielle. And now that Danielle is back with her, it might be sooner than later.

[@Jadae.annmarie]

@@barberiabrown8848 Exactly!

[@AquaGirl953]

Paige and Ciara were spot on about the tears and lack of any personal accountability.🎯 Gabby’s facial expressions at times also lead me to believe she knows Lindsay is full of it.

[@travelbug4536]

Maybe she has NPD too.

[@emilyndu338]

O Gabby😢 She should go to therapy with Linsdey

[@birdi3beez]

Gabby knows and I feel bad for her. She’s taken Danielle’s place as Lindsay’s yes woman. She isn’t allowed to have any honest thoughts or else Lindsay will drop her. I couldn’t have a relationship with someone where I can’t be honest with them.

[@ZEBEEtheoriginal]

Paige was wrong about the tears tho.

[@daniellachampoux]

​@@travelbug4536 Not maybe! Pure representation

[@thatscr4zy101]

I feel like lindsay comes off a little false. I agree that Carl was not the partner she needed but she was not innocent in this at all. She’s really playing the victim here. 😬

[@Thtdeal35]

Yesssss she’s a lil a narcissist judgmental and when she talks to the girls she’s spins his words 😮

[@multi4any]

She sees a guy, falls in love in 3mins, then belittles them, breaks up while chews the ex a new hole

[@lisawilliams5353]

She is the victim

[@Birdrobin15]

She chose him and accepted his proposal. Where is her accountability? It's awful what she is doing to Carl, who has experienced recent trauma with the loss of his brother.

[@natalysentifconson-zj2gx]

@@Thtdeal35 I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

[@user-df4wr7qp2d]

“this many people watch summer house” lol in that moment wes knew he wasnt committing to ciara

[@ola3rd]

💯

[@LoLaS2011]

Lol facts he was like this machine is too much for me

[@kaleymerritt4219]

This is not a betrayal, it’s a break up

[@maryjacobsen6539]

Exactly!

[@cvp2000]

Not Lindsay trying for D-list Ariana 😂

[@Esther-32013]

RIGHT?!

[@brittschmidt9835]

If this isn't the realest shit I've seen today

[@emilyndu338]

It comes in waves, 😂😂😂 sorry that I am laughing

[@aluthraebuetse9869]

Lmfao D-list?? She didn’t even make it to B or C list? 😂😂😂 and it comes in waves 😂😂

[@aw5473]

No Lindsay, the first thing your dad said to you was "There's got to be more to the story." Then he probably said the other stuff.

[@mariat6171]

Amanda and Kyle argued for years right up to their wedding day and their marriage is a wreck and both have a lot to say about Carl and Lindsay. Who would take advice from them?

[@rachelfan121]

They didn't fight like Carl and Lindsay did this summer

[@BerryFlair]

@@rachelfan121they did! It was worse. Their relationship is worse than this whole Lindsay/Carl debacle(mainly career related)

[@emilyndu338]

I agree but they always had ans still have moments of intimacy and love and softness, care, laughter... . Linsdey and Carl, sitting here in England I feel the tension, am on edge every time I watch them

[@aal862]

Ummm Amanda advised her husband not to give advice….sooo yeah. They were only not abandoning their friends.

[@aal862]

Lindsey is trying to get the Ariana audience support. LOL

[@johndoe-lm7ji]

Omg Lindsay, seeing you trying to cry with no tears is so cringe.

[@tek900]

West initially came across well but seeing the way he speaks on the After Show and in his confessionals has shown him in a different light. He's been a good addition to the show, but I really do dislike the way he's so dismissive of Ciara's feelings and concerns in these interviews (and how he didn't have the guts to be totally upfront to her face and instead left a lot of things to just confessionals and the After Show). In contrast Ciara was always upfront with him from the very start, something even he admits. Ciara wanting to know if West saying I love you and inviting her to meet his parents actually means something isn't some weird thought process, it's what anyone with any degree of maturity would wonder too. Ciara is being perfectly rational and it's alarming that West seems so immature about even the most straightforward things and misrepresents them. He doesn't seem to be able to handle even the slightest push back. I also don't think West was completely honest with Ciara about just how bad his commitment issues are, and from what he's said on the After Show it sounds like he doesn't ever want to have the responsibility of an actual adult relationship with anyone. During the season I really did find a lot of moments with Ciara and West cute and a slow burn is far more interesting to me because not everything needs to be rushed. It seems like Ciara and West dated for a bit after filming ended, but it looks like West's commitment issues and immaturity probably became an issue the more it progressed (especially when West has mentioned that even his parents are concerned about his ongoing fear of commitment). Ciara definitely deserves better and I wish her all the best. She first came on this show when she was 24 and I appreciate that she's someone who actually wants to learn from the past and keep growing. West has received so much excessive praise these last few months so his ego is surely going through the roof even more. He turns 30 this year and it sounds like he'll be another Bravo man trying to be Peter Pan into his 40s.

[@birdi3beez]

🗣️PREACH PREACHER!!! Lol. You said a word. She’s the youngest on the show, but she’s displayed so much depth and growth over the course of her time on SH. I’m glad it didn’t work out with her and West. She deserves better and she’s going to find better🙌🏽

[@tazzibear86]

💯 agree!!!I love Ciara she didn't deserve this

[@crystalobaseki]

💯

[@Sophia-lk3zj]

How old is Ciara?

[@crystalobaseki]

@@Sophia-lk3zj 28

[@SG-bh2ij]

Gabby is coming off as a puppet. The whole time you could see that the personalities were so different. Carl and Lindsay weren’t compatible. Life would have been hell if they went through with it. Personality wise they couldn’t give what each other needed.

[@annbressie8615]

Gabby might be the Scheanna of Summer House - no spine, worried about who to align with to stay on the show for the paycheck.

[@Tquin55]

Gabby has made herself completely expendable on this cast. She is begging for acceptance from Lindsey and will say/do anything. It’s sad. My guess is there’s more to her but we never saw it.

[@palavergirl7450]

Amanda says “ are you blindsided Or BLIND?” 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 oh she’s soo cool and funny. Thank you Amanda Batula, the reunion should end like that. 😂😂😂

[@lizdocabo]

😂 yeah, because Amanda is blind as well.. she is speaking from experience

[@nameless.faceless.]

@@lizdocabo100% love amanda but it was rich hearing her talk about how much Carl and Lindsay were fighting.. 😂 they fight every episode

[@palavergirl7450]

@@nameless.faceless. True. But Amanda doesn't pretend she and Kyle don't. Both are very aware and problems the Carl &Lindsey train wreck is their Uh oh moment. But they're different. Amanda actually Likes Kyle and Kyle knows that's his only girl. JS

[@redchangchun1]

Such a talent Lindsay . Dry Crying

[@Tquin55]

😂

[@maryjacobsen6539]

Well at least she didn’t mess up her makeup.🤣🤣🤣

[@BwInNewJersey]

The fake tears tells us everything.

[@ZEBEEtheoriginal]

She had real tears. They just weren't flowing hard.

[@lipkin108]

Lindsay and gabby are two friends who tell each other exactly and continue to be delusional

[@a.m.3921]

Gabby, STOOOOP. Lindsay doesn't need another enabler. Ciara and Paige are 1,000% correct in Lindsay's victim identity. She can never be wrong, and as long as this thinking persists she'll continue to be toxic in relationships.

[@alexahelbringer4890]

paige and ciara were 100% spot on

[@lisawilliams5353]

I disagree

[@marlynnek6449]

Right? I don't know what the hell Gabby thought she was seeing

[@Laneym-]

No I think they are just being the mean haters they are

[@birdi3beez]

6:17 Ciara is too real for this show. She’s 1000% right. I don’t trust eithers version of events but I trust Lindsay’s the least. I don’t think she intentionally tries to be dishonest but her perception of things is never totally congruent with reality. Again I don’t think she does it deliberately but that’s just what ends up happening unfortunately.

[@brendamartin2952]

Carl is so manipulative. I trust him less.

[@haley2926]

Paige saying “calll ittt!!” funny af

[@heatherchristiana3875]

Paige has her own dysfunctional relationship to deal with. I like her w Craig, but she is clearly leading him on. She has zero intention on moving to Charleston

[@haley2926]

@@heatherchristiana3875 I disagree with her all the time but the chick is hilarious

[@ncwellsnw]

You know that scene in Once Upon A Time in Hollywood where Leo DiCaprio is pointing at the screen like 'its right there, right there.' That is Paige with Craig. She is super terrified of all the things she sees around her. It's sad, because she will lose Craig over it. But I still wish both of them the best because from what I have seen they are both good people.

[@mudd8109]

@@haley2926no, she is basic. She just has months of time to think of “funny” things to say after the fact. Confessional gangster. Fake beyond words.

[@theresaterry164]

@@mudd8109no….. Paige is funny and a lot of fun to watch! Love her!

[@MA-lx8op]

Lindsey is such an actress!!

[@justatitle]

Nope 100% in reality she wasn’t blindsided. In her perception she was, but Karl was pretty clear on many occasions about his feelings, but she wasn’t hearing it. She would not listen. I was proud of Karl for being proactive about his feelings and not letting her convince him he was wrong or unthoughtful.

[@natalysentifconson-zj2gx]

I agree with you! Well said! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

[@brookebegeny27]

Omg she wasn’t blindsided about the breakup. She was blindsided by Carl calling the cameras in and doing it then.

[@michellesmith7]

@@brookebegeny27Lindsay was on Nick Viall’s podcast two months post-breakup and claimed she was blindsided by the actual breakup and was given “no indication” Carl was unhappy. 🙄

[@G.O.A.TGAMER145]

@@brookebegeny27I think there’s more to it. He knew if he didn’t have the cameras she would spin this story out of control and burn his reputation thanks to her PR skills. I also believe she was/is abusive verbally and physically. She is calm in front of the camera. Behind closed doors I bet she’s even worse. Good job Carl🎉🎉

[@ncwellsnw]

Lindsay "i...i...i...i". Said it all.

[@lindab424]

Lindsay and her delusions. Carl tried to voice his concerns to her numerous times but she was having none of it. She is incapable of shutting up and actually hearing what is being said. She is also incapable of being able to look inward and admit her flaws. She is over reactive at the best of times but when she drinks it makes everything so much worse. She is one of these people who should not drink alcohol at all.

[@natalysentifconson-zj2gx]

I agree with you! Well said! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

[@ohnohedidnt4444]

Gabbie and Lindsey are so delusional. They had mulitple conversations about doubts this season. We all just watched and it was clear as day.

[@birdi3beez]

So delusional lol. If I remember correctly, earlier in the season, Gabby even made a comment about them postponing the wedding so I don’t know why she’s suddenly acting like Carl did such a terrible thing by ending/postponing it. I enjoy her but she needs to develop an identity on this show outside of being Lindsay’s sidekick.

[@michellesmith7]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I read on Reddit and listen to podcasts where Lindsay is being painted as the ultimate victim 😂

[@ohnohedidnt4444]

@@michellesmith7 crazy time to be alive. You can see something with your own eyes and they will say you didn't see that lol

[@jordanbarthe7668]

Where are the tears ? This girl is so playing the victim part, PR in full force !

[@SkittleWizard13]

I think it's pretty disheartening how dismissive West is about almost any of Ciara's concerns or questions regarding him and their situation. From the start she was very open about her intentions and what she would expect out of it and I don't think he truly ever heard her or cared to hear her. It felt at times that he was just hoping that he could keep doing what he wanted to do and eventually she would like him so much that she would just let those things slide. No hate to West, I actually really think he is a good addition to the show BUT he does have an inability to take accountably and down plays every thing to make them not seem as important even if Ciara has clearly stated it is important to her.

[@abeisaiah]

Paige and Ciara speaking FACTS🤷🏽‍♂️

[@dzzznuts7795]

She had noooo tears it was very telling she wasn't blindsided she was blind her nickname could be Ray Charles 😅

[@murasakinomorado7210]

😂🤣Leave Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder outta this!! They saw the ending a mile off!!😂🤣

[@Birdrobin15]

😂😂😂

[@maryjacobsen6539]

I actually had a little chuckle over that one. Thanks!

[@iamjoshdouglas]

Man even Jesse was like "dude wtf are you saying right now" when West was like...oh I'm supposed to change what i do? lmao

[@Elizabeth-bk4bs]

what a performance from Lindsay here...wow

[@sophiagallant3574]

The women's micro expressions in the final scene was priceless. My main tip for them in conflict would be - don't interrupt, breathe and slow down, create space to support the other person expressing their needs, and truly listen. His comment on feeling crazy and her alternate reality is always a clue someone is in an abusive relationship. There may be moments where the truth is shown, but then the rosy colored glasses come back on so that's why I think he often seemed out of sorts. He had moments of clarity but not enough to fully understand what was happening. Lindsay is way more invested in her story than connection, though I can see she was trying but she's clearly just more used to being in or around abuse and doesn't have the same alarm bells going off that he did. Excited for the reunion!

[@dvroble]

“What are they 🤪?” I LOVE Jesse Solomon sm

[@michaelshinners6847]

Lindsay is "crying in her heart!"😂❤😂

[@ola3rd]

Even Paige knows Lindsay is fake af, that crying scene was so fake. Like this aint a telenovela 😂

[@jdubbersw777]

Carl being from Pittsburgh so makes sense now. I get it. Avoidance is what we do. 🤦🏿‍♀️🤷🏿‍♀️🤦🏿‍♀️😑🫣

[@G.O.A.TGAMER145]

That’s an odd statement. Could it be possible he truly loved her but she was a monster and it scared him?

[@sarcasm176]

Gabby needs to shut her mouth

[@lisawilliams5353]

Paige, Amanda, ave definitely Coara need to shut theirs

[@theresaterry164]

@@lisawilliams5353 If they did it would be boring

[@michelleforbes7823]

He did let her know that he was not happy. She is blind. It didn't fit in her view of life.

[@natalysentifconson-zj2gx]

I agree with you! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

[@ayomideakinokun5739]

I'm so glad to see these viewpoints. Yesterday all I saw were hardcore Lindsey supporters with one-sided takes. Both sides had a part in the dysfunction and Carl is not some monster.

[@as7326]

Lindsey must've taken crying lessons from Sandoval🙄

[@bonniewilt9694]

You wrote what I was thinking

[@maryjacobsen6539]

Good one!

[@michelletimme8041]

I dont understand why Lindsey's saying the betrayal was him telling Kyle first?! How about, she's mad that he told Kyle on camera. I'd hope he fucking told someone else before her. Carl needed to talk someone he felt safe with. And he definitely needed to process out loud to someone. That's normal and healthy. Totally agree w Amanda's perspective. I do think Lindsey believes her own bullshit and really needs someone who holds her accountable instead of yes people. Poor Carl, dude looks like he's aged 10 years. No more hot Carl.

[@michelletimme8041]

And if im about to marry someone who says on a national TV show that I'm on drugs when I've worked so hard to be sober.. freaking take me out. I actually just left a marriage where the guy had so much past trauma he couldn't trust and it definitely went down the path of him looking through everything I own and still being untrusting he was the type of person who'd threaten to use my deepest fears against me by screenshoting conversations we had. Not arguments or anything just conversations where I'd reveal secrets. Can't believe Carl and I lived with people like this for over a year.

[@GraceGiles-gigibaby]

I think he's still hot. He's more just mentally broken..

[@magnoliab928]

Holding the kleenex up and never using it says everything as she cry-voices her devastation.

[@joshknutson16]

Agree with Ciara 100% on the Lindsay victim part, nothing is ever on her ever and constantly blames others

[@brendamartin2952]

Do you remember her conflict with Austin and when she threw a wine GLASS at Lindsay and she took negative accountability? Everything she said included BUT Ciara is no better.

[@barberiabrown8848]

​@@brendamartin2952when did Ciara throw a glass at Linds? It was Danielle and she did apologize and she did take accountability for it.

[@jenspaulding2235]

Carl is trying to navigate sober life, of course he needs a gentle and encouraging partner. To put ur hands up and say “that’s just not me” is selfish and proves how they’re just not a good match! She acts like she has no idea where this came from but wouldn’t even drive in a car with her fiancé. It’s mind blowing to me how much she victimizes herself. Good for Carl for speaking up before they got married. That couldn’t have been easy! That speaks volumes to him as a whole. We have seen her play victim and be selfish over and over again! To her best friends even. It’s no surprise to me that she has shown her true colors to her own fiancé

[@kittenbrave1003]

Lindsay just wanted to be married and have a baby... It didn't have to be Carl. He was in a weird place after his brother died and he got clean.

[@theresaterry164]

👏👏👏👏 Absolutely!

[@lagatitabruja]

West is so not the hot shit he thinks he is so embarrassing

[@SB-hj9ue]

Twerp energy

[@aaa38388]

Gabby is trying not to laugh 😆

[@lynnbendy]

Carl was unfairly judged based on Scandavol. After watching the show, and seeing their constant fighting, he definitely made the right decision. The fact that Lindsay is still not taking any responsibility for her part, and instead making herself the victim, which is ridiculous based on her personality, shows she has alot of work to do before being able to have a healthy relationship.

[@natalysentifconson-zj2gx]

I agree with you! Well said! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.

[@sogiki]

Why is Lindsay holding a tissue when she has no tears.

[@peggyolson5616]

took a page out of Amber Heard's book

[@aluthraebuetse9869]

@@peggyolson5616 dead 💀

[@tealee4669]

😂😂😂

[@darlcarl1072]

The fake tears are TOO MUCH AHHH it gives me so much cringe

[@chenchanlo9556]

Welp. Lindsay has a future in lifetime movies.

[@tiffanimorris7127]

Lindsay's no tears tells me everything I need to know about how her and Carl's showmance. If she was a good actress she might've been able to sell this broken engagement 💔 9:17 is the worst acting EVER!!

[@daniela_k_]

The way Lindsey is calling this the ultimate betrayal has me looking at her sideways. How is someone not being ready to get married in 2 months a betrayal?

[@Dayo_kid]

And not being ready to marry someone you’ve been bickering with the whole 2nd half of the relationship mind you. No one should rush into marriage in that state when both people aren’t changing, unfortunately,at the end of the day, that’s what the engagement period is for.

[@paf2587]

Right calling him a terrorist and saying he’s not sober. Lindsey is an awful woman.

[@Haiirrrr]

Bringing the cameras in for that conversation and filming with kyle beforehand was the betrayal

[@paf2587]

@@Haiirrrr betrayal is claiming your partner isn’t sober when that’s all he works on day in and day out.

[@Haiirrrr]

@@paf2587 I don’t disagree

[@maryjacobsen6539]

If you watch the episode where they break up, Lindsay actually broke up with Carl. I didn’t hear him say that he wanted to break up. I heard him say that he wasn’t ready to get married two months later. That to me sounds like he wanted to postpone the wedding. Nevertheless they are both better off not marrying each other. They just weren’t right for each other. I wish them both the best, but I wish Lindsay would learn to take accountability for her own actions, but I don’t see that happening as she doesn’t think she makes mistakes.

[@truthhurts8819]

Lindsay not innocent at all in that relationship. Danielle can go. I think Carl showed up at that bridal shower to see how Lindsay was treating his mother. Lindsay can hold a grudge, look at her attitude towards his mother clearly Lindsay was bothered. Carl was right to call it off. Gabby look so ridiculous defending that ish 🙄.

[@theresaterry164]

I agree with most of what you said. I don’t think Gabby looks bad for being a super, supportive friend

[@belindareyes2366]

The tearless crying...

[@joshknutson16]

I think Lindsay should go on The Bachelorette. It would be TV gold

[@sophrosyne5900]

OMFG YES !!!!!!!!!

[@minnieminimoe7730]

Amanda said it perfectly. Lindsey wanted to give advise not support. Carl was asking for support.

[@travelfoodielove]

Amanda is not one to give relationship advice - none of them are! HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

[@johnnydyes]

No tears lmao 🤣

[@Birdrobin15]

I can not watch the false crying from lindsey 😂

[@lrivera31]

The fake tears are just not good. Horrible acting. This girl knew it was over.

[@lipkin108]

All I got to say is I cannot wait for this reunion and everyone being delusional

[@truthhurts8819]

Danielle can go. We already know Danielle is happy to get camera time with everyone meeting in her apartment. Love Kyle in that clip, he told the truth. Carl did the right thing, Glad Amanda stood up for him in that group meet up. We all know Gabby was ready to start bashing Carl. Gabby is Lindsay new enabler, annoying. Love Ciara, Amanda, and Paige respose❤.

[@lipkin108]

Take a shot everytime Carl says conflict

[@BerryFlair]

I can’t believe Amanda is talking about “they were fighting a lot ” Her and Kyle’s pre-martial fights and arguments were 10 times worse than this. Her marriage is horrible. Truth is: Carl felt powerless and this was the only move he had. He thought she would grovel and she didn’t. Maybe he was blindsided by that.

[@brittschmidt9835]

Let's stop acting like we know these people please... whatever opinion you have is valid but like both situations are equally bad. Kyle and Amanda love enough to stick it out and work through their shit. Carl and Lindsey don't..... clearly 😮

[@BerryFlair]

@@brittschmidt9835 you typed all of that to say nothing? Brava

[@lesley1346]

Carl is weak but he did the best thing for both of them. Lyndsay was going to go through with the wedding because of her timeline no matter what. He didn’t want her to grovel. He knew their marriage would not work and he finally said it out loud

[@Haiirrrr]

Carl was ending it. There was no going back. He’s full of it

[@aaa38388]

Amanda is so intelligent, she explained it realistically.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

carl is free of that icy lady. YAY !!!!!

[@roxilindaaa]

Calling off the wedding wasn’t the blindside it’s the cameras in Lindsey’s face when he did it.

[@tazzibear86]

Amanda shouldn't judge how much they're arguing. It's wild, Kyle and Amanda haven't stopped arguing since before they got married . Maybe Lindsay was taking notes from Amanda and Kyle.

[@sxocardona]

Gabby is so annoying co signing everything lol

[@MC-tu7bm]

Who is that big Puppet next to Lindsey😂

[@kittenbrave1003]

I'm Paige 😂😂😂

[@belindareyes2366]

He told her he was having doubts and second thoughts the last weekend they were there. Thats why she didnt want to ride back with him. She was not blindsided.

[@Omaof2]

Lyndsey is Lyndsey. But dry tears. …anyways, best it’s done now then later.

[@nameless.faceless.]

Paige, don’t pretend like you don’t want at least one person to co-sign your feelings too. I hate when people come for others for basic things all humans would want/do.

[@TitaniumTectonic]

Paige is so critical of others but didn't like when Danielle gave her the same energy. She lacks empathy, is cold and self-righteous. It's also annoying that she calls anyone who supports Lindsay a lapdog but doesn't have the same opinion of Ciara and Amanda. I'm starting to dislike her.

[@kreyna15]

Same

[@Haiirrrr]

Spot on

[@therealhouseofpop729]

Page is so disingenuine. When we’ve seen not only paid shit talk Lindsay but craig shit talk Lindsay. Page and Carla are giving those friends that talk shit behind your back.

[@mysticmoonpanda]

Yes!!!

[@lisamarie8265]

Lindsay tooting her own horn, she talks as though she should be canonized. Let me call the Vatican.

[@Buildindie]

Lindsey is impossible.

[@LP-ss3fg]

I don’t think any of these people should be trying to give ANYONE relationship advice

[@linlee5162]

Love Paige, Linds playing victim again. Paige is genuine. He did u a favor……you’re welcome!!! We all knew it wasn’t going to work. Gab is new to the gang, she doesn’t kno psycho Linds. Linds is Extra, Carl was my tru love, really??? Danielle n Gab could vanish.😊

[@brendamartin2952]

So does Carl.

[@cindyjackson2457]

Bravo Amanda, seeing things with compassion, even though you may not agree.

[@sinickasdavis2159]

This is my show

[@matthewdibernardo6836]

There is no way Carl will ever win this. Lindsay is a pro at PR. She knows exactly what to say to get everyone on her side.

[@boipink]

He won when he broke off the wedding with her

[@mrs.stewart6833]

Gabby secured her spot on the show... Amanda was right to check Gabby and Lindsey knew she didn't want Carl..it's obvious

[@zeroman155]

Lindsey is sooo sad, that she's already in another relationship. 😁😅

[@thats.so.logan00]

Carl has had this planned for a while now. Like 2 season back…. Can’t convince me different after how many times I’ve rewatched the entire series. He’s been self producing for years .

[@TitaniumTectonic]

They love making excuses for Carl's avoidant personality. He chose Lindsay knowing who she was, yet they have so much sympathy for him and none for her. I don't get it.

[@dararupert7199]

This! Lindsay has her issues but they've always been the same. He's known her for 8 years so I just can't wrap my brain around how he could have thought she'd change. If there is one thing Lindsay has always been it's consistent in her behaviour.

[@G.O.A.TGAMER145]

But he only saw / listened to HER side of the story. I’m sure he was also thinking “I’m her “best friend” she won’t treat me like the other men”. Lindsay is a scary problem. She is spinning webs and playing games every day….theres no reality for her. She says she was “waiting for Carl” but she wanted to marry EVERY SINGLE GUY she dated! Bravo should get all of her exes in a room to chat!

[@KimberlyNicoleFoster89]

Damn. She really does cry with no tears.

[@PICARDY610]

HAS ANYONE SEEN LINDSEYS PAST RELATIONSHIPS? SHE DRIVES THEM OVER THE CLIFF. ANYWAY, SHE IS ALREADY DATING. ANOTHER CLIFF COMING. CARL HAS BEEN WORKING ON HIMSELF, NOT WITH THAT TRAIN-WRECK

[@Alex-mx6mu]

Did you see carls Past as well

[@PICARDY610]

@@Alex-mx6mu AS A DRUNK, DRUGGED WOMANIZER? YES! CARL IS WORKING ON HIMSELF, SOBER. LINDSEY NOT SO MUCH. ACTUALLY SHE HASNT CHANGED ONE BIT. DIDNT SHE GET PREGNANT ON A TWO WEEK STAND? BUT I LOVED CARL & HAVE WANTED TO BE HIS WIFE FOREVER. HO HO HO!

[@aluthraebuetse9869]

Lmfao another cliff coming 😂😂😂