Brazilian Jiu-jitsu or Japanese Jujutsu ?

[@djstapler]

One day I asked my BJJ instructor about Japanese Ju Jutsu and he put it in a great perspective for me. He said if the samurai hadn't survived with Ju Jutsu, Judo would never have evolved. If Judo hadn't evolved, neither would BJJ

[@garethllewellyn215]

@anonymous feudal era Japanese ju jitsu contained all aspects of bjj and judo as well as a huge array of other techniques which were designed for war and for combat against armed or unarmed samurai wearing armour....kano took out the things that where more effective against clothed opponents, got rid of the clutter and formed a more streamline MA.. Then meada isolated the ground aspects which the gracies later perfected amd evolved

[@randomnessanimation6831]

Samurais used jujutsu to combat armored opponents, one successful throw and the armored opponent is out.

[@randomnessanimation6831]

@anonymous very sorry to upset and no I don’t do BJJ and I was talking about Traditional Japanese Ju jutsu.

[@randomnessanimation6831]

@anonymous I’ve stopped doing Kenpo Karate due to the whole online classes, it happened before I made it to purple belt, where I have to spar to rank up. Also I still have to make up some missed classes.

[@victormartinez9312]

@anonymous It depends on the context, Chuck Liddell was a Kenpo guy and it worked for him. This is coming from me, I preferred wrestling and BJJ over other martial arts. But you have to recognize that context matter I wouldn't expect a guy to walk into a BJJ mat and play BJJ and submit a Blue belt on day one.

[@rickprocure6321]

I practiced Japanese jujitsu for 6 years, we did judo and wrestling takedowns with Brazilian jujitsu ground work. Yes we rolled at the end of every night starting from standing up. I do Brazilian jujitsu now and preferred the Japanese more for the style. It all depends on the gym and the teacher.

[@bryanbrown8870]

Well said... I studied in Danzan Ryu for 4 years.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

I think the problem with many styles is that they don't jump out of the tournament or foundation mindset. Yes it's good to drill in the technique and form but they have to realize the the skills need to be applied in actual combat. Tournaments are good because it gets you to first experience how it's like in a fight but eventually advanced practitioners should get out of that tournament mind set because in a a match you are prepared knowing you are getting into a fight and there are rules and a referee to tell you when the fight can begin. In a street fight you need to tap in to the fighting mind set way faster because there is no ref. to signal round 1 fight and there are no rules so your have to mental guard more parts of your body and have the mindset to attack more parts of the enemy's body.

[@MrRyusuzaku]

Considering judo and bjj are pretty much derivatives of jjj you will find pretty much all the techniques in jjj depending on school. JJJ also mostly means you will be more wholesome in your fight vs bjj. Since you will be training kicks, punches, grappling/takedowns and throws well that was what we had and live sparring.

[@nicklapierre6381]

Japanese is better for street just my opinion

[@MeroGrumble]

@@MrRyusuzaku There is nothing like a "jjj", there were tons of jujutsu schools in Japan and what spread to the west was mostly through judo. Regarding bjj, it is not directly linked to any jujutsu school except judo, the chain being "techniques taken from a few jujutsu schools > judo > brazilian jj". Regarding "jjj" you find in the West, there is almost no one with an actual lineage and and *most* of them are water-down versions of judo/aikido/ and fancy bs. Live sparring with real punches and kicks (and even sometimes grappling) against a resisting opponent is not the rule there.

[@deanmlshredder]

From everything I've read. Judo and bjj are direct descendants and only parts of the original trditional jujitsu.

[@jwgoon]

Yes. Both BJJ and Judo are officially descended from Tenjin Shinyo Ryu and Kito Ryu jujutsu schools. Both these schools are still around as well.

[@XieTianXieDi888]

I thought Aikido, Judo, Hapkido, and Jujutsu all descended from Aiki-jujutsu and that BJJ was a more expounded upon and specialized version of Jujutsu with Brazilian flavor.

[@eskiltester3913]

@@XieTianXieDi888 all those arts including judo are from Japanese jujitsu. BJJ is based on judo

[@jedijudoka]

Judo is a modernized form of JJJ. At the time judo was created, JJJ was pretty much like karate with kata and precoreographed sequences almost exclusively. Kano combined several forms of JJJ into his own comprehensive system and added philosophy to create a way of life not just a martial art. Several Japanese taught judo to the Gracies and over time it became what it is today. Check out Robert Drysdale’s research for his documentary “closed guard”

[@1sanitat1]

@@XieTianXieDi888 lol you have been lied to

[@BLACKSYNTH]

I learnt Japanese jujitsu in the 90's for about 5 years before I knew what Brazilian JJ was. Japanese jujitsu seems in hindsight more instant to take people down. less of a sport and more lethal self defence takedowns. that's what I got from it. I really enjoyed it and the gym environment was super welcoming and friendly.

[@marcusfranconium3392]

Correct i studied it in the late 80s and 90s you needed to be at least 12 to be alowed to join , and we had to learn tons of presure points and soft spots to inflict as much pain to incapacitate your aponent as quick as posible . And the family jewels where one of those presure points .

[@youngrevival9715]

Any bjj gym worth anything will tell you takedowns are essential

[@eldiablo7000]

Your comment has inspired me to look into JJJ. Thank you.

[@jonathansoko1085]

bjj vs jjj, my money is on the bjj player EVERY SINGLE TIME. At the end of the day, its all japanese though, BJJ comes from japanese immigrants to brasil, so its kinda irrelevant anyway

[@MongofromKongo]

​@@jonathansoko1085 in grappling yes. In combat jjj will destroy bjj guy if he only practiced bjj.

[@pigeon2929]

The reason why Japanese Jujitsu is practiced in more controlled situations and environments is because it derives from Samurai hand-to-hand fighting. Jujitsu in its traditional style is meant to kill, seriously injure or cripple the opponent long enough for you to get out of there. Karate, BJJ and every other martial art is dangerous in uncontrolled environments too, but JJJ can(and was meant to) be very deadly. Concepts and techniques used in JJJ, especially the locks, can very much break bones and cause permanent or long-term injuries. Hell, Judo was formed by taking all the techniques from JJJ, looking at what causes irreversible damage and taking it out. Judo and BJJ are, in most cases, JJJ but made appropriate for sport

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Imo BJJ is just a sport. It's worthless in real life for self defense if you're fighting more than one opponent. It's just dumb to lay yourself on the ground and pretend you're a constrictor snake, like by laying on the ground you're doing your opponent's job for them without having to knock you out, it's nonsensical to put yourself in such disadvantage by laying on the floor in a real life situation

[@BioBroly111]

Yeah, when bjj lock don't really work, you just tap and the guy has to let you go its not really for the streetz. All they do is pull guard and get stomped, fucking clowns.

[@BioBroly111]

@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Yeah aikido works so much better, you can instantly kill multiple people if you want to, just like in grand master Seagull movies. Bjj guys are clowns doing flying guard pulls on concrete, fking retards.

[@williamdadds7679]

I've done Bushudo Ju-jitsu (japanese) since the age of 5. It has a fair amount of live training. Btw u will adapt that streat fighting capability through the conditioning of your Ju-jitsu journey and the stamina will come from the effort u pursue as a japanese Ju-jitsu student.

[@casas9527]

@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Pull guard on one person, it's fine. But then the person's other 5 buddies come and stab you. Maybe the Gracies should have worked more on trying to adapt takedowns instead of ignoring them...

[@AD690smcr]

I did a Japanese style and we did free fighting which was striking, throws and ground work. We also did straight ground work. I think it’s more a school thing than a style thing. The most important thing is to make sure the instructor is qualified and didn’t just make up his rank or buy it from a cereal box

[@dwl3006]

What is the name of your style?

[@MrCmon113]

99% of Japanese Jujitsu courses won't have you spar though. There's also courses calling themselves "boxing" or "bjj" that are bullshit, but most courses called that actually teach you to box/grappling. Very, very few clubs called "Japanese Jujitsu" do that.

[@AD690smcr]

@@MrCmon113 not sure when you did the global research of all the different styles of Japanese Jiu jitsu to come up with that statement that 99% don't spar. That is an insane notion that martial arts don't spar to practice their techniques

[@depiction3435]

@@MrCmon113 We spared all the time.

[@paulz5348]

Japanese Jujutsu is strikes, weapons, throws and self defense

[@towerspercussion3053]

💪😎💪 . Japanese Ju Jutsu it's the father and it's IRREFUTABLE, continues in evolution. JJJ , it's complete up and down (ground), it's MARTIAL ART. Not like BJJ, that it's only a sport. However....., learn both, and I, you, and all of you, to be better to known itself, it's the DO. 🙏😎🙏

[@syrosx7163]

@@towerspercussion3053 bjj is a martial art

[@towerspercussion3053]

@@syrosx7163 B.J.J. it's a sport. Martial Art, contains, disarm, techniques with and within diferent arms, Katas, Meditation, and so many, so.....maanyyyyyy ..... things, concepts. Not it's my opinion. It's the irrefutable reality. I learn a Lot from B.J.J. to continue with my progress. TO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S.

[@syrosx7163]

@@towerspercussion3053 it is a martial art

[@benjaminlane3004]

@@towerspercussion3053 martial arts translates to "Arts of Mars", Mars as you are talking about Caesar and thus surely know, is the Roman God of War. BJJ is a martial art, like Muay Thai or JJJ or HEMA. It like the others mentioned is incomplete for the modern era. You could arguably include gun fighting needs to be part of any martial arts program. Anyone serious in the actual "Art of War", understands the necessity of cross training and exposure to a variety of concepts. MCMAP for example is part of a more complete Martial Art as it includes things like bayonets, knives etc. However, if I walk around with an AR15 with a bayonet attached to it the odds are a police officer is going to shoot me. Also, a Krav Maga defense to say a bear hug done before a body slam, is to drive my thumps into your eyes as hard as I can. Good luck practicing that most of the way to completion. Side note, the reason that Japanese Ju Jitsu became unpopular and the transfer to Judo really began is because of firearms. Basically the same thing that happened in Europe, sword fighting and grappling became less important as firearms quality and quantity improved. They transferred to the realm of sport.

[@ehukai2003]

Japanese Jujutsu is a category. There are a lot of different styles and many do actually practice live situations. It was what the samurai practiced and each clan did their own styles, and there were styles within those clans themselves sometimes, too. Kano's style was just Jujutsu with the idea that you were responsible for your training partners' safety. He also added/adjusted techniques that were more scientifically focused. The reason many of those strikes and some other techniques seem inefficient for self-defense is because Japanese Jujutsu was made to fight against another samurai with his armor on. Try punching that armor and see how that works for you ;) The strikes were meant to hit vulnerable points in the armor and to set up locks, which were the techniques that the armor was not impervious to. Thanks for being so transparent, Chewy! I appreciate your candor and experience. I especially appreciated the part at the end about what he should look for in each style no matter what he chooses to go for.

[@jeremyseldomridge5297]

Hense, Aiki jujitsu and atemi moyden

[@jwgoon]

Yup. The actual original term was called yoroi kumiuchi which meant armored grappling.

[@antonioarcano7989]

Nope you are wrong, Jujutsu its not a category. is the founding father of Judo and hence the gran-pappy of BJJ. that why it's so complete while i like BJJ, its very incomplete. you don't want to be on cement whit your back on the floor.

[@jjs3890]

There are actually some big differences between Jujutsu and Judo/ BJJ. Jujutsu had more striking, and the stand up throws were designed to break or dislocate something and not allow for a proper breakfall. Intent was to break, drop them on their face..next. Kumiuchi is an older art that was part of the mix with yawara, Tai Jutsu, wajutsu and koppojutsu tat created Jujutsu.

[@matthewblankowski2265]

Tip of the hat. Sometimes we dont think about details like "must me effective vs opponent wearing armor". You just have me something to think about.

[@imwolf4851]

I have to agree with what Chewy said at the end. Make sure where ever you go make sure they offer what you are looking for. It is hard to ask one person what is the best style because as Chewy said it is bias, and in the end it is your experience, and what works for you. I know Chewy said that in his experience he watched the JJJ guys not do live training, and that can play a part in your thought process, but two every place is different. I am enrolled in a JJJ or "traditional" jiu-jitsu school, and I can tell you we do live training, and not just on the ground. Our training session we put on pads, and hybrid gloves, and we go at it with strikes, throws, takedowns, and ground fighting. We do it all. When we do ground fighting it is rough, and sometimes will last all class. I am definitely not knocking bjj because it is needed. Most fights are going to end on the ground. The thing that I would like to see in videos, and maybe this could be a new Chewy section is bjj in self defense. How bjj would work and be affective in the street when there is no gi, and if a weapon is produced, or the big thing I had a question about is how bjj would work in a multiple attacker situation.

[@nicholasmalone3400]

It really does not matter. Find a martial art that makes you happy and feel good about yourself and do it.

[@BenediktLohmann]

Well if it's just for being active or having a hobby, yes. But this person specifically wanted a martial arts for self defense purposes and Chewie layed out good reasons as to why JJJ might not be the right thing in that case.

[@SuccessMMA]

It depends on how you train it. If you go JJJ go to a Dojo that does live sparring, if you go BJJ go to a Gym that does Self-defense. See Rener Gracies video on Sport BJJ vs BJJ self-defense.

[@awesomezombie4565]

nicholas malone good advice if you want a hobby but if you wanna fight learn practical styles

[@bodiaz9074]

well, that sounds good but if someone wants to invest money in learning how to fight and defend themselves, do the real deal. if it is just for the fun then that is a different story.

[@justagerman140]

It depends way more on the trainer than on the style.

[@jjcc6403]

I've been doing Japanese jiu jitsu for 11 years. We do live training as well as choreographed routines. A lot of people don't seem to understand that a predetermined routine is often necessary for the safety of the person receiving the technique. The techniques of JJJ are designed to cripple or kill someone, not to win points in a tournament. If we applied the moves at full force, our classmates would end up in the hospital. Therefore, everything must be modified for safety. Trust me, JJJ works on the street. I know from personal experience.

[@leatherandy]

My friend popped his shoulder getting thrown, it does work.

[@fabiomari1552]

Jj Cc bravo it's a war=warriors

[@hplus1]

Jj Cc what's your experience with JJJ? also do you mind answering some questions for me?

[@sunshineremovalsvic4576]

Spot on

[@stefanobio7045]

@@hplus1 Hi Grandad.....ive just read your comment on youtube....ive practiced (Japanese) Ju-Jitsu for over 30 years....i had my own club for over 5 years......i can probably answer your questions?

[@jammyface3041]

I'm a blue belt in Japanese Goshin Nihon Newaza Jujutsu. My experience is kind of the opposite that Chewy had. I too seek purely self defense knowledge. I cut my teeth on BJJ and did it for a year and a half as white belt. Learned some good fundamentals on the ground, but almost nothing from standing. Where do fights start? On the feet 99 percent of the time. Then I trained in Japanese and I learned lots on my feet, but it is still primarily ground fighting because it is a newaza dojo. The main difference I noticed is the curriculum includes so much more in self defense mind set, and even includes weapons both standing and on the ground. Rolling with a rubber knife just scares the crap out of me and is a clear picture of why you stand on your damn feet if at all possible in a street self defense scenario. This is a huge problem with BJJ. The priority is upside down. They strive to take it to the ground in the *majority(not all) of bjj dojos. This is backwards to real life. On the street you better stay standing, and if you go down you get back up asap. This is ironically why we train on the ground. So we can be comfortable there and not panic, and so we can have the skill to get back up as soon as we can do so with as little effort and energy expended. We must remember where Jujutsu came from. It is a brutal battlefield killing art. They didn't want to be on the ground, or tied to someone in a joint lock because then dude next to them stabs them in the throat. Sometimes it is unavoidable though. That is street reality also. When you have full mount and are smashing your attackers face into the ground his buddy comes behind you and cuts your throat or bashes you in the head with a rock. Train like you would fight. Get up, and get out. Dont tie yourself up in a knot on the ground so someone can kill you. That's not Jujutsu. If you learn it, learn it for real how it was created and what it was created for. Learn Jujutsu.

[@billr8316]

This comment is spot on!! BJJ has zero focus on real life self defense scenarios and idealizes being on the ground co trolling an opponent. Get in a bar fight and take someone's back and choke them out. Awesome, but their buddy is gonna come from behind and soccer kick you in the head. It's a very different mindset. Street fights are usually not one-on-one, you need to assume there are multiple attackers. I only train BJJ now and have for like 9 years, but also trained Krav Maga for 6 years. It's a totally different mindset. Like you said, get up and get OUT. My first Krav teacher said the most important defense is the Nike defense--run!!!

[@dylan_krishna_777]

@@billr8316 BJJ is great for ground fighting ( ne-waza) but you have to consider what's the use of getting a purple or brown belt because against the most street thugs a blue belt BJJ combined with a Judo brown would be enough to defend yourself. About japanse jiu jitsu i would say it is a great martial art but their curriculum of techniques are huges and for most people many things at the same time can be difficult because you will learn striking, trows, ground fighting, wristlocks all at the same time and to a a certain level of expertise. So i would prefer judo above japanese jiu jitsu because of its practicality, great trows, unbalance your opponent and not getting taking trown

[@beachwave5705]

we not training to fight at a bar i carry pepper spray and pocket knife everywhere i go lol we train bjj bc we love sport fighting without head trauma which imo is perfect as a last resort “martial art” tho combat sport is what i tend to call it

[@proudmasculine]

Well put

[@proudmasculine]

@@dylan_krishna_777 all throws in judo derive from traditional Japanese jujitsu. So you get the full compliment of technique, stand up, throw, lock, multiple attackers and ground in Japanese jujitsu 🙏

[@ash_r1707]

I do JJJ and I agree with you too many JJJ schools do techniques without ever testing them on resisting or live opponents. For my school we do work with live opponents and when it comes to grappling it's similar to bjj but starting on our knees. I think with a higher focus on live training JJJ could be the most effective martial art because it's so well rounded. Look at some JJJ tournaments on line in Europe they have such a wide range of skills because they work in a live way and the art covers so much (hence it's the mother art of so many sports)

[@HLCassidy]

JJJ sparing is so much fun (at least at my school) put on some MMA gloves then it is karate until somebody grabs on, at that point it is judo (no more striking) then either brake away to go back to karate or go to the ground to go to grappling!

[@LucasKingPiano]

If you're a black belt in BJJ do you have to start as white if you were to go over to JJJ? If they have to start from white would it take a really short amount of time for a BJJ blackbelt to receive a black belt in JJJ?

[@LucasKingPiano]

@Dig Ol' Bicks I was asking a question out of interest.

[@Tortatori]

Nah due to JJJ being mixed and BJJ ground based

[@Rollsgracie4]

Not necessarily it’s very different

[@liamsomeone6333]

it depends on the dojo and style, they will have you start from white but some dojos only give you an exam when they feel you're ready, which can take really long

[@williamhallthorsson5774]

White, jjj has a lot of techniques which bjj doesn't have, for example striking

[@smgjerald]

Personally, I train both BJJ and traditional martial arts, and its because I enjoy both. I aggree 100% when it comes to what you said(and I have recommended BJJ as a style for those into selfdefense), but for me its about loving all aspects of the various styles. I love BJJ (ever since I started little over a year ago), but I equally love TKD wich I have been doing for years. Same with Judo, kickboxing and all the other styles I have trained over the years. For me its about enjoying what I do. Might be weird for some, but just my personal view on it.

[@egontokessy1610]

You're not weird man, there are martial arts out there that on the self defense spectrum are the least effective but for some reason I like them. Depends on what you value.

[@smgjerald]

I have been called weird because of it, especially when some argue "but it would not be effective" and I respond "I aggree, but I don´t give a crap" and they are unable to get me into a argument. Apparently some can´t wrap their head around that concept ;-)

[@egontokessy1610]

Haha I think they're projecting onto you what they value. They assume you think the same way as them. In psychology they would be considered lacking in theory of mind.

[@stevenc4477]

Magnus G you just love martial arts in general, nothing wrong with that. I've taken kickboxing before for crowd control and I do bjj in case I have to deal with bigger opponents.

[@torotaxi1]

I've been doing Hapkido for 3 years (Taekwondo kicking, self defence wrist locks, throws and punch defence takedowns etc) but thinking of switching to an MMA gym so I can do Muay Thai, MMA and BJJ. However, there is a Japanese Ju Jitsu place that does similar moves to Hapkido but also does groundwork BJJ stuff for the last half hour so maybe that is good to do so I keep the self defence stuff going. The good thing with MMA gyms is they do classes every day so you can train as much as you want.

[@vs-cd6qq]

Thankfully I train at a japanese jiu-jitsu gym where we do quite a lot of action and live training

[@ryuuacross2329]

Where at? This seems cool

[@roninjujitsu3299]

Testing Monday for my 3rd deg in Japanese jujitsu however have rolled many times with BJJ guys. That being said, taking into account that ever dojo is different, it really comes down to what you want to get good at. Where I train, we fight standing and on the ground equally and over time, have noticed the following. BBJ has lost skill standing, throws, but gained skill in ground fighting. My humble recommendation is pick the most balanced for you, conceding I am biased as well toward Japanese jujitsu because I want to stay on my feet and throw the other guy on his ass if possible. ALSO, visit the dojo in question and try it before you commit.

[@medicineman8876]

That makes a lot of sense while I love bbj the way it is taught as if if theirs is a huge expectation that the fight will end up on the ground. Where as JJJ techniques are geared at only your opponent ending his career on the ground. In technique it is best to avoid taking the fight to the ground especially with a larger opponent..This is why I favor JJJ

[@mrlooneycooney8948]

That's very true what you're saying here and it does all depend on the one training you. I learned capoeira years ago from a mestre who was very playfull but in the same time focussed on very close combat-situations and actually trained us to take the pains that go with it. he called it : ' go really IN the play'. Over the years I moved from that city and had different mestres, but they always told me to stay further from my opponent, almost shadowing eachother, which I really disagreed on and eventually returned to my first mestre. And it actually helped me alot, now few years back I came into a pretty nasty situation with some friends of mine and were attacked by several people durig a city-festival. People got drunk etcetc, so no surprise there...however..i managed to throw of several people by hardly doing anything and purely acting out of reflex, not even used real capoeira, also didn't intend to. But thanks to that mestre, to this method of very close reflex-training and reactionmoves, i really could defend myself without actually attacking anyone. And believe me, even how bad i wanted to kick them, I didn't need to..and truely was amazed by my own reflexes and actions. by just turning away, or pushing them away, I actually used their own 'power' against them. And that was exactly what my mestre always told us why we should train close, with the danger of truely going home with black eyes and a bloody nose ( yes that happened sometimes) ...and he was correct! I f you want to learn to defend yourself, no matter in what diciplin, you need to train in real life and close combat. And some may say capoeira isn't truely a martial art like jujitsu or alikes, but in real life situations, those reflexes and moves become a natural instinct to get your body out of harms way, and that's the main purpose for me when it's really needed. Luckily in now almost 17years, I only needed it once... I also do have a history in Judo and taekwondo, though that was when I was alot younger, started with Judo when I was 5y old.

[@Katherinedelrosso]

Do Both! I love them both and they compliment each other perfectly because one picks up where the other leaves off.

[@SuperColonel91]

This man was very truthful and he presented himself quite well.

[@hngryviirider8710]

Well for short: BJJ is more like a Fighting Sport and JJJ is more like a Martial Art?

[@ishitrealbad3039]

BJJ to me is just wrestling with submissions. Where as Jiu-Jitsu itself is really focussed on self-defense, it incorporates melee weapons as well as firearms (sometimes), and lots of locks and submissions. I am only a white belt in Jiu-Jitsu, So I can't say how it will be once it becomes near the blue belts in terms of sparring etc.

[@hngryviirider8710]

@@ishitrealbad3039 Thank you :D As a stiking art practitioner, it really helps me.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@@hngryviirider8710 NP, I was confused too at first. But after doing JJJ for about 2 months now and watching BJJ online, I somewhat have a more thorough understanding in the difference of the two. For example one of my training days we start with warmups, then rolls (rolling in front and on back), and then move towards submission locks while standing (for example practicing 3 different locks and throws as shown in here duckduckgo.com/?q=jiujitsu+techniques+nage&t=newext&atb=v235-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F50%2F6c%2F6f%2F506c6ff460df734751bae7fc9962290b.jpg) and than finish with defense against an armed opponent. My classes are filled with lots of white belts and yellow belts, with some blue, green and orange belts. So sparring/rolling isn't something we do a whole lot, since I think that's reserved for the higher belts who train on a different day than the beginners. But occasionally we do spar/roll, but it's by far not the focus of the training. And I am glad they're not, because as a beginner you really have no idea what you are doing and you have to learn so many moves. Which might not be the case for BJJ.

[@liamsomeone6333]

not really, the dojo he saw goes too hard on the kata thing, JJJ is really effective when done right, I wrote an entire paragraph about it in the comments

[@marcusfranconium3392]

@@ishitrealbad3039 The more you learn about jūjutsu the more respect you will have , as it will break bones , lasting injuries and even death . as if you have a good teacher he will also teach you pressure points and they realy can do some damage.

[@DanielHartz]

I study JJJ and we absolutely train live.

[@lmAIone]

Very good advice at the end “If they aren’t doing live training than find another gym” 🤙🏼

[@ooberrich]

Good vid. Just a quick correction: Judo was created as a safer, more respectable version of Ju- Jitsu as there were regular bouts between rival schools that often ended in serious injury. Kano took out the more dangerous stuff so it could be practised safely.

[@MotterPotter]

I was under the impression for a long time that Judoka is for the larger stronger person and that Bjj was invented as a means to combat being held down and worked on by the bigger stronger person?

[@ronin2167]

@@MotterPotter Never heard that. ooberrich is correct. Judo was created to allow testing/competition in a safe manner. Many Ju Jutsu competitions resulted in serious injury or death.

[@ianmurphy9096]

@@MotterPotter Judoka means judo player

[@seanmatthewking]

Michael MacRae Judoka is good, but Sudoku is the most deadly art.

[@danle3181]

@@MotterPotter If that is what you think, you know nothing about judo. Asian people are usually smaller people. Jigoro Kano was 1.58m. And btw, all bjj principles come from judo, same art, different rules.

[@brett393]

Japanese Ju Jitsu: Ancient Japan used in military conflict when unarmed against a person who was armed. Brazilian Ju Jitsu: Brazil 1900's used in street combat often against Capoeira or similar striking arts.

[@H3llyC]

nop

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@ Just because something is old doesn't mean it's irrelevant or wouldn't be able to be applied in modern times. Almost all martial arts descend from JJJ, including BJJ. The only difference is that BJJ focussed on groundwork and does not incorporate in it's arts any type of weapons. Sure barfights don't include weapons besides the occasional beer bottle. But that doesn't mean someone won't try to stab you at night or a group of people will try to hurt you. Again BJJ is great for groundwork, probably the best martial art to practice if you want to win on the ground (if you don't have a knife). And it's a very great self-defense art against unarmed opponents. But it is a very bad martial art against opponents that are armed. And depending on where you live, you either choose BJJ for self-defense or JJJ. This is why in America firearms are the best use of martial arts, as everyone can get them. In other countries it's either BJJ or JJJ depending on the amount of people carrying blunt or bladed weapons.

[@baskroeze7217]

the thing with jjj is they do everything (striking/takedowns /groundgame) and don't focus on 1 thing so they are pretty allround but they don't exel at 1 thing. where Judo is 90% throws so they are masters at that but they are rubbish strikers and the groundgame is not as good as jiujitsu guys. bjj is 90% groundgame so they are masters on the ground but the takedowns are not as good as judo guys. i think Judo is better than jjj in throwing but not in striking or the groundgame, bjj is better than jjj on the ground but not in striking or takedowns, say karate is better than jjj in striking but not in takedowns or on the ground

[@QCCSPEEDSTER43]

Well said.

[@MrRyusuzaku]

But you would also find all the moves in Jujutsu. Just that if you don't master one of the areas you are an allarounder.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

This is true.

[@808souljahxl5]

As a former judoka (sadly haven't trained in years) I can personally attest to what you are saying. Our dojo was in a larger building that shared spaces with other martial arts, including Japanese Jujutsu and Aikido. Live resistance is the only realistic training method in Judo and when we would challenge the aforementioned dojos, their lack of such training would show.

[@paulfitness8032]

I’ve trained Japanese jiu-jitsu for 3-4 years now, and I’ve had the experience of live training (stand up sparring and rolling). Personally, the only difference I found in BJJ was the fact that you can’t strike in BJJ, and there’s more of a focus on ground game/ submissions. I think both styles are awesome and would be useful to do either of them.

[@houssenalyyohan]

I practiced japanese jitsutsu now i wiant to do bjjj you think bjj it will help me in à self défense ?

[@DailyWorldWideNews945]

​@@houssenalyyohanbjj will definitely help not only for you controlling and dominating most ground fights but also give you lots of confidence because you practice those stress situations all the time withiut getting brain damage like boxers. But i would say its more of an asset in a toolbox than only rely on bjj. You should definitely practice other arts too since bjj is only really practicable in 1v1 situations. So my recommendation is: learn bjj but also have a second marzial art where you learn to throw punches etc.

[@houssenalyyohan]

@@DailyWorldWideNews945 which martial art do you advice me to do ?

[@DailyWorldWideNews945]

@@houssenalyyohan its your choice. Every martial Art has downsides and upsides. You can dominate any opponent in 90% of martial arts if you Master any martial Art. It doesnt really matter which. If you plan to become a proffessional fighter i would choose kickboxing since you get lots of real fighting experience and bjj. If you want to learn for self defense i wouldnt learn kickboxing since the brain damage you get from kickboxing probably is way higher than the chances of you getting damage from a street fight. What is more important in my opinion is how the dojos teach their martial arts. There is little value in learning karate when your local dojo never teaches you anything and just does impractical things all the time. If i where you i wiuld inform myself what martial arts are available in your village/city and then ask them if you can attend a free testing session (or look on their website when they offer test trainings). Then just gl to their testing sessions and this way yiu get a good idea how they train. Pick the martial Art thats the most fun for you, you will learn something that is really fun for you way faster than something thats not fun! If you want to learn bjj or aikido or even ninjitsu (lol) i advise that you choose a second martial art where you learn how to actually punch and kick and do both.

[@cm24624]

This video reflects my experience. My JJJ dojo does more "live" after black belt. The thing is, which you didn't comment upon, is in JJJ - the intention and training is always to injure your opponent. Not sure how you would practice that live with untrained students. But I agree, people need sparring to integrate muscle memory with hormonal hyper-focus and fear.

[@asgeirnilsen6752]

Judo is Jujustu-light. It is designed as a sport. Jujustu is a martial art (six schools samurai, three ninja, Jujustu belongs to the samurai-schools) - Art of war. BJJ is also a sport, but more realistic and is a derivative from Judo. Therefore if you are going to train grappling for selfdefence you must train like Judo and BJJ-competitors if your system is Jujustu. If you are going to use pressure-points, small-joint manipulation and striking and all the deadly techniques like a sport, then you probably will have some problems getting somebody to train with you. There is a reason why the sport mma have rules. MMA is a combination of sports. It is very close to realistic fighting, one to one, no weapon.

[@mattmckinney5419]

You're thinking Bujinkan is synonymous with jujutsu when it is not. Bujinkan has 6 samurai ryuha and 3 ninja ryuha (or actually 3 exclusively samurai, 3 samurai/ninja, and 3 exclusively ninja). There were/are many more schools of jujutsu in feudal Japan. There are many koryu which are not included in the Bujinkan syllabus.

[@cejII]

If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area check out for JJJ go to Cahills Judo and Jujitsu in San Bruno. You'll get the kata, sport and real life application. Every movement is broken down in those 3 areas. Plenty of sparring. Like he said it's the mentality of the school that will determine the effectiveness of the training in real life applications.

[@manny45629]

judo has lots of randori so yeah

[@paba1042]

I trained Japanese Jujitsu for a long time, my instructor gave me a brown belt. We also trained live, I trained all across the country because I was in the Coast Guard for awhile, I was always competitive. I believe my brown belt in ju jitsu made me stronger than most blue belts I came across and I was strong enough to defend myself against Purple belts. I am definitely not a brown in BJJ. BJJ is way more fleshed out on the ground. I finally have a home school in BJJ and currently wear a white belt, many classes we drill stuff I've learned but there are a lot positions that we never trained in Japanese Jujitsu.

[@Galleon1235]

I've had the same question asked to me as a martial artist and police trainer. I've trained in several martial arts, but my main arts are Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Krav Maga. I agree with what you are saying about the live training aspect, but I also encourage people to follow their on journey with whatever martial art they choose, because most likely they will learn something from each one. I'm a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu and an instructor level in Krav Maga, but I've learned things from several other martial arts that fits into what I prefer. I've actually done Kali with the sticks and thought to myself when will I ever meet up with someone and hit each other with sticks, but I found the movement and fluidity was something that I could use somewhere else. I appreciate the dialogue and what you have to offer.

[@danielmurray04]

Japanese cover strikes and more takedowns, locks to quick breaks.. less on the ground depending who your coach is. For self defence, you really don't want to be on the ground.. more than one attacker if you are trying to choke someone out, your dead. Chewjitsu has a good point in how things are trained, more combat in traditional would improve it... but as for the arts themselves, Japanese Jujutsu would be far more self defence oriented. Much more "dirty tricks" in Japanese... but the live situation, even with all the rules and things you can't do, is very useful.. Maybe do both, you get to know your body and how you/others will respond more with full contact ground work/bjj grappling ... so yes on the live training.. self defence really should have strikes in it in my own view. Take downs etc are much more effective after a slap in the head, poke in the ribs etc.. even a moderate strike to the face area can put a person off balance setting you up[ perfectly for a throw/sweep/break.. in the street, the opponent can be finished with one throw. My own background is in traditional, but have started BJJ to get more "live" practice, and it is also good fun.. you can't test all your guns, but you can test many.. and see which ones need oiling. Great for the brain as well. but really, if you are attacked, avoid the ground like the plague. .. and if you end up there, get up quick and be aware of whats around you. Bothe will help you know how to get up from the ground, Japanese might involve more strikes, gouges etc. BJJ/live training will let you know what it feel like to have someone really fighting your efforts though.. if you can get up without strikes, then with strikes, it will only be easier. Traditional self defence arts should probably get more live training in, some do, some don't.. some do close to none.. bjj etc aren't totally real world, but you learn a lot from it. Totally real world could end up like getting mugged three times a week, so we have to work out what is as close to that, without wearing us down and being impractical. Good and balanced video, hard to remove our own biases, but being aware of them is pretty close. A Traditional class that had a sports jujutsu/bjj part, would be great.. maybe have grappling from standing that allowed strikes to body, legs etc not the head.. then maybe a separate sparing that had gloves used.. cover all bases. It would be great to not have to have an 'either or" situation... but as we all know it can come down to one work "politics"

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Having an Aikido base is more effective for self defense than any form of grappling technique imo. You also need to be able to deliver strikes to ward off your attackers and keep them away from you, so Kickboxing + Aikido, or any other martial art that trains you to use the opponent's momentum and strength against them to immobilize them, that's the best combo of skills for self defense imo

[@DiscoVan]

I do Japanese Jiu Jitsu and we do practice live. You cannot avoid it if you do a sport martial art because it won't work at a competition then. And if it doesn't work at a competition, why would if work in real life situation, which is much more stressed and unpredictable. So, the basic question is not whether you practice this or that MA, but whether you have sparrings and competitions and what limitations there are. Also, there is another aspect. When you practice puches, kicks, throws, takedowns and ground wrestling (as we do in JJJ), you will definetely be weaker on the groung than the one who practices only on the ground. So, the question is what gives you more chances for victory: being more universal or being stronger in one particular aspect? Well, I don't have the answer. Anyway, great respect for anyone who does any MA. The one who practice and think a lot is definetely stronget than the one who seats on a coach choosing the best MA. So, go and try any and choose what you like more. For me it is JJJ, because I have a great trainer and guys there.

[@MrMZaccone]

He's right on the money here about the training methodology being the key.

[@tusccountyjiujitsu]

As a JJJ Black Belt I agree with your assessment. That's why 20 years ago I started BJJ and use both arts, I have learned to drill JJJ techniques live and have modified or cut some techniques out all together but my training also helps me understand leverage and structure better.

[@krossF]

no live training? i randori all the time as a judoka

[@t_sh162]

Same

[@volovolo_]

Yes because live training would send people to the hospital

[@WrightFightConcepts]

First, great video. Dead on in terms of stressing the importance of live training. A huge flaw in many (but not all) JJJ dojos is the lack of such training. In our school, we have a large JJJ program that does do a variety of regular live training (sparring, rolling, multiple attacker live scenario, etc) and also cross trains in BJJ and other striking arts (Muay Thai, Boxing). Sometimes as well, Japanese jujitsu curriculums tend to be quite archaic when dealing with self defense against weapons. As a result, we have done away with the traditional weapon defenses (as I believe they would get you killed) in favor of working in some Escrima/Kali (which also does some cool live training). People in traditional circles LOVE to throw shade at competition training, but combat sports and competitive environments are VERY helpful in cultivating the physical and psychological ability to face a genuine violent encounter. Because of this mindset at our school, students who have sought to compete (in BJJ tournaments, MMA, Kickboxing, Boxing, Sport Karate) have had noticeable benefits from their JJJ (often getting the throw or takedown in BJJ tournaments, excellent counter punch timing and accuracy in MMA and Kickboxing, for instance) and have been quite successful. You are completely correct and have stated it very well. ANY martial art class or program that is not incorporating live training is not truly preparing someone for self defense. Though here I think it's less a matter of what style is better to train and more a matter of what component of training must be present in ANY style to make it and its practitioner most effective. Keep up the great work!

[@patrickdeboer1377]

I just started JJJ , will do yellow belt exam this month, have exp before in kickboxing and pencak silat , as well as military training. Guess it all really depends on who your teacher is. Mine looks like someone you see at the door of a famous discotheque, and also trains personnel in mental institutions , police and self defence for women. Let's just say he has a lot of real life experience in how to use jui jitsu. At the end of every training we have to spar, first part is standing up without takedowns and groundfight, second part is with ( otherwise everyone goes straight to the gorund in first part ) . Rule is : don't break anything . I asked him if I could use kickboxing , he said hell yeah , we have all those moves to. He always emphasizes real life situations , and almost every training, when doing "those set exercises " he emphasises not to make it too easy for your partner. I also aksed him about competition. He tried to set up a competition, without any techniques banned, but it ended because of people having too many injuries. Trained yesterday evening, can feel every joint, muscle , and bone in my body ... Also because when we are training , he comes by and acts like a real life attacker , with almost no warning, and always says "this is how this will go in real life ". And when you do something else to him then said exercise , because , things worked out differently , he only applaudes that, because, he says, in real life it never goes as planned. Guess we're just a lucky bunch to have him as our teacher ...

[@waldomarek]

where do you train, mate?

[@patrickdeboer1377]

In the Netherlands , Leeuwarden , why ?

[@waldomarek]

just wondering, from NL too :)

[@patrickdeboer1377]

Lol, where in NL ? you speak dutch ? I just thought of another thing maybe JJJ in america and JJJ in Europe is like American Football and Rugby ?

[@waldomarek]

amsterdam, yes, i speak dutch :) i don't know about the football/rugby comparison.

[@dustencross357]

JJJ is not for self defense. Its for taking life

[@StuwiO]

A few years ago I was a BJJ blue belt, 60kg, and went to train at a Japanese jiu jitsu gym and I we did some sparring and I tapped two black belts easily, several times.. So in terms of which martial art is more effective I say Brazilian jiu jitsu all the way.

[@joe94c]

From your experience. My jjj we grappled almost every session

[@vittoriovedli4819]

Not at all! All Ju Jitsu schools are "effective"! Brazilian Ju Jitsu, is only a particular Ju Jitsu school.

[@gavinfarris7624]

Good points. I trained at an aikido dojo for two years, and bjj sparring has helped me learn to use some of those techniques against a resisting opponent. It largely depends on your personal approach and mentality towards training. My aikido class didn't have any live sparring so I did supplemental training at home with training partners who practice bjj.

[@axelhaglund2076]

I did JJJ from 6 to 13 years and we did quite a bit of live training but i also have done a bit of BJJ ass well and i feel like when JJJ dos do live its more realistic then BJJ But in BJJ they do live allot more. great vid and sorry for bad English i´m from Sweden

[@JayFe0]

This sounds like good advice to me. For the first three months of rolling in BJJ I was instantly panicking, unable to think and exhausting myself within a minute or so. I'm now beginning to find myself much calmer, more aware and able to slow things down and think about it. I expect this will translate well if I ever find myself in a self defence situation.

[@Mike_LaFontaine75]

'Real' JJJ would be more like MMA, but without the rules. Almost like the first UFCs, except groin kicks, eye gouges, etc are incorporated.

[@aplus1080]

TMA people like to play one-upsman games in talk. JJJ people have beaten 0 trained people in combat as far as I know.

[@MrRyusuzaku]

If we are talking about JJJ as in what was used in battlefield it would be way more brutal then any MMA and it would aim to kill as fast as possible. If BJJ people beat others it means JJJ has won also since pretty much everything you find in BJJ is originally from JJJ (Judo being a safer version of JJJ). JJJ just includes kicks and punches that are not there in BJJ and Judo.

[@bigb00tyslayer20]

@@aplus1080 Michalel Bisping was jjj practicioner, found out on Joe's podcast.

[@basilistsakalos9643]

...and weapons.

[@jammyface3041]

Exactly. JJJ tournaments in Japan have the combatants leaving bloody and with broken limbs. Brutal gritty stuff. Good luck finding a bjj practitioner who is ready for that. Not saying bjj is bad, it just isn't gritty enough in 90 percent of the schools.

[@sorearm]

I agree to an extent, the japanese ju-jitsu should ALWAYS be complemented with live training. Competition training is great - and as Chewy says, needs to be done to test you. It's no good getting to be a brown belt and not doing any live pressure training. I train japanese ju-jitsu and we a lot of competition training - it's good, it gets your game up, we do continuous fighting - composed of 3 bits: sparring (limited contact), standing randori and then groundwork. Plus we do pressure training - multiple attackers (2 man attacks), plus circle attack - you in the middle, 6 or so other people on the mat, they all attack you - you soon learn that energy-intensive complicated throws aren't a good idea, nor sacrifice throws! It's bam bam bam and sometimes the simple things are the most effective. I love pressure work. The guy asking the question of Chewy should take his advice - do japanese Jitsu if they do a fair bit of competition training, light contact sparring, pressure work. ... and train BJJ too! Oss.

[@davemccullagh4297]

I did Ryu Ju Jitsu, we purely practiced technique. I think you're underestimating how important technique is, of course in reality you don't know if someone is going to be throwing overhands or hooks at you, but if you practiced over and over it will become instinctive. If you're only doing live you're going to have awful technique but you'll be more of an athlete. In my opinion once you've mastered the technique only then should you practice live

[@aluisiofsjr]

Good! Keep training your choreography.

[@Shadowoftheoldones]

You can't master it until you practice it live. Its true that too much rolling and not enough drilling is bad for your Jiu Jitsu, but there is only so much you can learn about a technique from doing it with a partner who isn't trying to stop you and fight back.

[@teddyQuake]

True .This is why alot of people quit bjj and so on , they dont know fuk all and they get fukd up by some douche bag who thinks he needs to squeez lol and drill them into the floor , 100% on chokes and what have you , its fuking training .If you wana go 100% do it with some fuker who would happly smash your teeth out ,see how 100% you want it then

[@aliatakankeser5549]

I coulnd't agree more

[@rubberduky1829]

BEST .. DAMN... ADVICE .....EVER.... love it and it's true. I train in Dallas with Machado's and we get pretty close to full on, a hair shy of a real fight and it does help. If someone has always been afraid of fighting, but wants to protect themselves in a worse cased scenario, the answer is put yourself in a training class like this to learn to check your emotions and clear cob webs of fear. All of it will transfer when the time is needed in a real fight.

[@jeffp899]

This is my experience dead on. I did JJJ for almost a year before I did BJJ. I also did aikido for 6 years before BJJ. I tell everyone the techniques are fine but its the application of the training of said techniques that sets BJJ apart.

[@anthonymalgiero4215]

Jeffery Pierson dude this is so true. It's the training that combative martial arts (boxing, MT, wrestling, BJJ, etc) that separates them from the more traditional martial arts. Of course there's more to it, but it really boils down to how the techniques are trained against an actual resisting opponent.

[@magnusm4]

My dad told me that story: Because Jujutsu was so deadly and had lethal techniques, they couldn't spar or practice against each other. So the inventor of Judo took safe techniques from it and other arts and was able to train more safely and actually apply them. So when they had matches he won due to him being able to actually practice the use of his techniques in actual application instead of staged scenarios

[@thejoker3644]

Heard this from someone ''If you want your martial art to be real, train it to be real''.

[@swankmaster2178]

The Joker unless it's aikido, aikido never works

[@waldomarek]

no need to talk down on another martial art, just stick to what you think is useful?

[@milesackers2935]

Well said. Full contact, Full On Sparring is always a better way to train then just practicing technics with more or less choreographed training/sparring

[@aloisiobalde5486]

well, i think that you should see more classes of japanese ju jutsu because we train in life situations. Don't forget that bjj is a martial arts which has ground fight as fundamental idea and japanese ju jutsu is a martial art with very techniques like punches, kicks, throws, ground fighting which can be use effectively on a real life situation.

[@fabiomari9736]

....And (WEAPONS)

[@stefanobio7045]

Going to the ground in a real altercation is very dangerous.....you must consider if the opponent is carrying any weapon(s)......you can only fight 1 person at a time, you do not have good all round visability, you have to consider the offender may have friends who will want to use your head as a football....ground fighting is only a "back up" system should you be accidentally taken to the ground, trip or fall...in these circumstances your main priority should ALWAYS be to get to your feet as soon as possible.

[@MrCmon113]

@@stefanobio7045 If you don't actually grapple, you have no idea how to take the other guy down or how to stand back up. You have no clue how to engage or disengage, how to hold the other person down or how to not be held down. All of your tactical considerations are totally meaningless if you don't spar.

[@jazzcama]

Two thumbs up and a round of applause for this video. Good story, with a proper 'this is my opinion'-clause up front. For all those people watching this video: remember the question. (What should I do as a self-defense sport?) and the only correct answer that is given around the 5:28 mark of this video. If you want to train for self-defense, chose the school/dojo (of whichever style suits you) that trains live-fighting, not just forms and style. (In case you're wondering, I'm a JJJ-practitioner. And yes, we train fighting. My sensei makes a very clear distinction between the sport and the martial art. In the former, it's about style and sportsmanship, and there are rules. In the latter, anything goes as long as you survive. )

[@juaninamillion5864]

Sorta unrelated, BJJ should honestly not be called “Brazilian”. Yes many Brazilians pioneered the sport to what it is now, but BJJ was brought to Brazil my Maeda and he almost gets no credit for it, instead we see the Gracies with red belts around their waists being glorifies for inventing or improving Jiu Jitsu when its far from the fact. The Jiu Jitsu that Maeda brought to Brazil was more of an extension of Judo Ne Waza, the introduction of the Gracie challenge and its rule set honestly watered down the more aggressive Jiu Jitsu that Maeda introduced into the Gracie’s guard game which is essentially stalling.

[@davidc9441]

This is fair balanced and good advice. While at university As a judo person I always admired and was impressed at some of the cool jujutsu techniques of our sister club, but when it came to contests the judo guys were better due to the style of real world training

[@adintaylor7793]

Speaking of live training if you can do it slow speed will come automatically

[@89Eisblume89]

im all with u on the live training. I just joined a japanse jujutsu dojo here in Germany. And thank god we have the reality factor and live training. The dojo in itself was founded as a club for the local police department. So our sensei takes the "street aspect" very seriously. We regulary train free form forms an such. And we train against more then one openent. For example we stand in a circle one member in the middle and the "circle members" attack the guy in the middel. So he never knows what they gonna do, so you he has to react with his own skills accordlingly. Sure for the belt tests we have to show a predefined set of moves, to show the progess. But in every test is a "free section" where u have to show your skills in one to two sparring rounds. I think thats the best of both worlds.

[@brianfarley4814]

I think your history of these styles is pretty far off. First of all, I want to clarify that I see 5 main purposes for styles: combat, self-defense, sport, physical self-improvement, and mental self-improvement. Jujutsu is probably the oldest of the Japanese martial arts, likely to have derived from Chinese Chin-na. Both styles are ancient and were focused on combat, with the self improvement aspects being secondary, and sport being tertiary. Judo is the sport based child of Jujutsu, invented by Kano. It was brought about after the Meiji Restoration; when the Samurai class itself was banned and the instruction of any martial arts was at least frowned upon, if not punishable. Turning Jujutsu into a sport was the only way to save it from extinction. However, for many years, the difference between "judo" and "jujutsu" was a bit blurry as true combat techniques were still being encouraged in many schools, but the focus continued to slide to the sport side. Sport is definitely the focus, with self defense and self improvement being secondary concepts. Brasilian Jujutsu is an offshoot of one of these early Judo styles that still included much of the older combat applications. Hence the return to the word "jujutsu" rather than using the label "Brasilian Judo". Brasilian Jujutsu truly took form when the competitive events led to improvements in the style which had grown stagnant. The focus of this style became self defense, then sport, then physical self-improvement, with combat and mental self-improvements being least addressed. Judo was in no way an improvement of Jujutsu - it was the watering down of one of the most successful martial arts into a sport. We see this same failure occurring in UFC as the piles of rules continue to take what was making martial arts rapidly evolve (see UFC 1-10) and turning it into a silly sporting event (see the ridiculous people crawling around so they can't be legally kicked in the head). I agree that sparring/rolling is the best way to find what works and get rid of the garbage, but the rules will continue to make BJJ turn into Judo in the long run.

[@NightbladeNotty]

I agree with you and im a first degree black belt in JJJ. We did full contact sparring but rarely practiced the actual grappling and submission aspect. This was due in part to the fact we participated in karate tournaments rather than jiu jitsu tournaments.

[@connor6967]

Here's a question for you chewy. My judo instructor recently told me that I think to much like a wrestler (since I have wrestled all throughout school) what should I do to get rid of my wrestling habits.

[@swedbp1]

Connor Jordan DON'T! BJJ guys (like me) get super frustrated with wrestlers because your body awareness and aggresiveness often overwhelm us. Learn to incorporate these assets into a submission game. Any instructor that tells you to get rid of habits that get you on top and prevent others from getting good positions is not catering to their student but trying to make everyone fight the same. Be you, just add jujitsu.

[@johnsnider2956]

Connor Jordan Don't do it man, it's all grappling. We all have things we can work on, but don't forget your wrestling. My judo teacher was a Greco Roman and freestyle wrestler before he ever got into judo, and also dabbled in sambo. They all go together.

[@BenediktLohmann]

Does that include grabbing the legs? If not, what does he means by this?

[@Hugobosz99]

nothing lol wrestlers win

[@danielcho3270]

I think Chewy made a speficif video blog about this exact question.

[@elfr3032]

I just started training for Japanese JJ and at the end of the class we do 15-20 minutes of BJJ roll in a Japanese JJ class

[@drewbeverley4135]

I agree with what Joe Rogan says regarding martial arts; all can be effective against untrained guys, but the best techniques work against people who know how to fight. In JJJ, the sort of strikes that they learn to counter are very unrealistic. Tough dudes though, they get thrown around a hell of a lot and keep going!

[@iamabean]

TeaLoafer Agree. When you fight with a trained person who are the same level as you you will realize that it takes a lot of effort to hit your opponents with simple techniques.

[@bleepwerks]

Oh hell yeah - I spend about 60% of class upside down, flying across the room. I help teach the youth class, so I am the demo dummy for an hour before the adult class even starts.

[@wuttichaiupatising9970]

Unfortunately, that's how martial arts teach nowadays. Karate, Kung Fu, JJJ etc. That's the problem, I think. If these martial arts would implement sparing, they would be much more effective.

[@miopera40]

+Wutthichai Upatising jiujitsu is not meant for sparring, you get to train the jaoanese way to build your reflexes and mindset for defense. If you want to build cardio and strenght competition is good then train original judo or brazilian newaza part of judo, but the midset is different, you need to understand this or will get hurt when practicing

[@miopera40]

+miopera40 This guy is totally wrong about efectiveness, if you repeat the japanese jiujitsu basic moves thousands of times it will come like a reflex and is way more effective than brazilian newaza in a real fight, indeed you would probably only need the basic finger locks to. beat pretty much every oponent no matter their size and you will be amaze later at how you did it so fast, it will built in to your being with repetition and the years

[@littleshadow2707]

Omg I'm so glad that someone understands some history of martial arts.

[@ThePsychoguy]

The problem with Japanese Jujutsu (and I have some experience in both), is that it's considered more of a historical art today in Japan, rather than a living combative art. We in the west think of it more like learning how to fight, but the Japanese think of it more like a historical re-enactment. That's why they don't think it's too important to adapt and train live, because in the Japanese practitioner's mind, they're learning to re-enact how the samurai who did X school did things in a certain way. There are exceptions, but that mentality is very prominent among practitioners and is pushed by the government who has certain laws in place that limit the effectiveness of the application of koryu (old-school samurai arts) in modern contexts. Also, a lot of it is period-specific (like many of the techniques were meant to be used to augment having a sword or knife, which is why they don't bother going to the ground for a submission - in the old days, you had a knife to do your "submission" for you, you just needed to pin the opponent to the ground long enough to finish the job).

[@jwgoon]

Correct. It's a little hard to imagine finding a purpose rolling in armor and trying to stab your partner with a tanto in today's context. Though I must admit, I find koryu like Takenouchi Ryu and Araki Ryu very fascinating to watch in demos

[@raisingash4471]

My son does JJJ, my other son does BJJ. My son's JJJ just implemented the application of training to the dojo. 12-week ground sparring, 12 weeks upright sparring -- back and forth throughout the year. Since implementing the new standard, my JJJ son has improved by leaps and bounds. On Easter break, I sent my JJJ son to my other sons BJJ dojo for the week. He tapped all the BJJ dojo kids. It was not easy to tap them, and he was tapped too, but it did show improvement in the JJJ art form once practical was implemented. I was pleased he was not manhandled and held his own in the BJJ dojo. They were all very nice kids. He tapped whites, white/yellows, and yellows. One guy asked us about competing, but I don't know much about the sport (still learning). I told him my son was just passing through. I think a lot of newer Sensei are moving toward application because of this issue. However, I still believe that BJJ, because of the amount of rolling they do, is a more reasonable live environment for training. I will move my JJJ son to BJJ once he achieves his last rank. My JJJ son still learns Katas. An hour and half a week of dancing in a dojo drives me crazy.

[@torotaxi1]

What happens if there are multiple attackers? Surely it's dangerous sometimes to go to ground if there's other attackers around?

[@ms.nhardin4744]

Then you have to learn the ancient martial art of RUNNING! Only stupid people try to fight 2+ people. That unrealistic Hollywood bullshit. All martial arts are hand to hand, not hand to hand...to hand, hand, hand.

[@jensonmcvitty3443]

im a black belt in japanese ju jitsu and we get tought on how to defend from 2 (and 3) attackers at once

[@vs-cd6qq]

Can confirm that the goal of Japanese Ju Jutsu is to teach you how to handle at least 2 opponents at once . It’s really not mcdojo shit once you get into it and see for yourself . Really depends on your gym though

[@christianfrentzko2138]

Well said! I practice Aikido, and I am well aware of the flaws in traditional training. It's tough, but I do find like minded people on the mat who don't mind practicing in a more "live" environment. Anyway, I agree with your perspective whole heartedly! Thanks!

[@jjs3890]

Aikido is not traditional. Many traditional schools today only practice Kata. And that in not the "traditional" way of training. Samurai used drills, randori and even competitive fighting. Japan outlawed combat elements of old schools because severe injuries and deaths were acceptable commonly happened.

[@adolfchangchrist7975]

Aikido doesn't hold up against any other martial art. There's no resistance. The minute you guys spar against someone who is trying to win you lose. I've never trained in Aikido. I did JJJ for six years before recently starting BJJ and unfortunately I had a sensei who really likes a lot of Aikido techniques. Almost none of them work in a sparing situation.

[@PACIFICBboy]

I've been doing bjj for a little over a year and my gym is awesome but I do wish we did more takedowns. If it weren't for my prior wrestling experience I think I would've been sol when I did my first bjj tournament a couple weeks ago. I could tell that the other white belts didn't do takedowns at their gym either but I could also tell they never wrestled before, so I had what felt like a huge advantage over everyone there

[@SingularityCSGO1]

Whaaat? Ive been doing bjj for 2months and we have single leg and double leg drills goddamn nearly every practice, im so sick of it 😂

[@absolutezero7174]

Thank you for sharing, I completely agreed with you and just like any thing from profession to sport! You pick something you like and stick with it!

[@jaimeezquerra2219]

I think you always have to spar, in all MArts

[@larrymiller3849]

You nailed it in my opinion. Ie. The necessity of " live training / combat ", inorder to test and improve any martial arts effectiveness . Also , even in real cage fighting there are limitations , on what kinds of strikes , kicks, and joint locks are used etc ..eg. eye gouges and needle kicks to the balls, are forbidden..and even certain neck cranks and bone breaks , from jjj , catch wrestling , and Aikido , etc. . ..

[@keiths5931]

As a dude who trained Kenka Aiki-Jitsu right before the UFC started, this is pretty much spot on.

[@rustyshackelford9942]

my dojo we train Japanese jujitsu and do live sparing/rolling quite often. we have a handful of us that compete in mma. sweet vids dude

[@oldwood100]

People also got to remember Japanese ju jujitsu is a battle field art so is designed break or kill there opponent so hard to spar full on

[@oldwood100]

jjj has work very well for me on the street

[@astralisk]

That’s a shit argument

[@ravenjames3873]

it's not if he can back it up

[@HLCassidy]

Haha, I am at a BJJ place now for a few months after ~4.5 years of JJJ and I think when people find out that I have done JJJ for that long and still get submitted by other white belts its kinda like "yea, you are great at the sport, but if you try that flying armbar on me on the street I am going to blow your ear drums, and gouge out your eyes" :P

[@SlyRyFry]

Harrison Cassidy lol, only thing about jjj is their scenarios are for the most part completely unrealistic, still tough dudes and anything can happen in a fight, just saying

[@stalarm76]

Thank you so much for these clear words! I've been doing Kickboxing for a long time. Not as intensive, but over more than 20 years. Now I'm 46 and looking for sth. without jumping around etc. :-) I actually don't think that I'll stick into BJJ, but you said one very important thing that helps me: Whatever you do, watch out that it is realistic training (at least that's what I assumed :-) ) Thank you and Greetz from Germany ;-)

[@mpforeverunlimited]

I feel like Japanese jujitsu is just judo without sparring and bjj is judo with no throws and better groundwork. I feel like judo is more complete and bjj is more refined but jjj has the worst of both worlds

[@derelchgnom7998]

I train an modern hybrid system which is called Ju-Jutsu but it isn't traditional. You might find more about the style if you look for German Ju-Jutsu online. We do striking, kicking, throws, grappling and we train live. It's more like mma with a gi.

[@luisphilipesilva]

tradicional Jujutsu has lots of Ryu-Ha more than 500 different branches and it's made for war period. .. It's a great part of the Bujutsu world it has ground fight, throws , projections from different stands and angles it has also kicks and punches and locks. .. they train against armed attackers and more than one attacker you train against everything knifes bats sticks whatever. .. it had a great infase in real self-defense against more than one attacker and you train with arms too so it's complete and difficult to compete with out someone getting hurt ... it's not made for that it was made to survive to kill for war ... Bjj it's a bit different it's competitive it's good but it's not for war or to fight more than one attacker or attackers with knifes and bats no Bjj it's not for than its made to compete men against men in a sports way here the ground fight the grappling is it controled ... to compete Bjj had to take out many techniques because they can't use them in competition. .. Ok Bjj toke techniques from various arts like Jujutsu tradicional and judo and some other arts , but the founders of Bjj they were trained in traditional Japanese Jujutsu and mister Helio he saw this problem with Jujutsu and had to made changes in order to create an art effective and efficient to compete because with traditional Jujutsu it was to dangerous to do what they do in Bjj competitions that it looks more with judo than Jujutsu with no Gi fights. ... They made a fantastic art for one on one competition but that's it ... Each one must be where it belongs one for street fight and war and the other for combate sports and grappling events and that's it .... I eared the son of Helio Grace saying that with this ufc thing the Bjj start to lose some of the techniques that it was thought in the bigening when the vale tudo was the big picture back then. And he said that punches and kicks are going to return to Bjj, the throws and a lot more, because Bjj is to focus on the ufc world today but Bjj it's much much more. .. Like I said they change the Jujutsu taking this and that technique and bringing techniques from other arts like Sambo, wrestling , judo etc and they made Bjj for street combat in the bigening and now it's a complete different art ... they (the sons of Helio ) want to bring back those techniques that were there since the beginning and got lost because of the Ufc ..and the competitions .... even the self-defense part was forgotten, Bjj had much more self defense techniques that it has today .. You can see the video on KZbin about this with (master Helio' s son ) so Bjj change a lot. .. it's focus on sports and Jujutsu its for surviving for war...

[@bleepwerks]

This is a great video, and I dig the honesty. I roll Japanese, and we roll live at the end of every class. I have rolled with BJJ dudes, and copy that - on the ground, the win 9 of 10 times. That is just the fact of it. Up top is a different story, I think it is pretty evenly split most of the time, with maybe a slight edge to Japanese if you have a real throw specialist that can coax the BJJ guy into trouble. So my honest opinion, yeah, for self defense only, BJJ wins. But that is not why I, personally, roll. No matter. I do have a sort of philosophical question, or observation - BJJ is great on the ground, but in this day and age - do you really want to be on the ground? There is no question who wins the chess match 1 on 1 if we are in a street fight on the ground, but that is assuming we don't get pig piled by joe-blows other 2 friends. The situational advantage of the philosophy of JJJ is actually interesting in that context. We stay on our feet, dump one guy, and either get the hell out of there, or god forbid, we are in real trouble, go to a weapon (which we also train with). Point is, once we are grappling on the ground, we are invested, but also totally exposed. Love to hear your thoughts. ^ these are just my thoughts, nothing more.

[@bruhnisher5454]

In Japanese jujitsu a big part of it is learning how to use the swords/ sticks. Unarmed training is built around that. we have a separate "grappling" class that's basically bjj in all but name.

[@theprofound4156]

Really? my JJJ is literally just takedowns and grappling, we don't ever learn weapons shit which im kinda glad tbh🤣

[@ccrass4443]

When I was in the service we did Judo and JJJ, BJJ was new in the States, with few instructors, mostly on the west coast. We trained full contact, albeit with UFC style gloves (not as high speed as the ones they have now) and boxing headgear, in addition to practicing techniques at half speed without full on strikes. Every throw, every take down, however, was live. We were not trained to fight on the ground like a BBJ practitioner or wrestler is. We were taught to gouge eyes, rip ears, bite, pull hair, strike, and get up, and finish (the enemy) We were training for combat. Now, as a 50+ year old has been, trying to stay health, learn new things, and have fun, I do BJJ. I love it. I wish I could have done it years ago. I love the culture and my “team,” and the ground fighting is awesome, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been put in a position during a roll that if I were allowed to strike, eye gouge, twist a neck, grab a handful of (fill in the blank), pull hair, rip an ear, pick up and body slam someone trying to triangle me, etc. I wouldn’t have tapped. Look at the UFC or any other full contact “no holds barred” competitions. a lot of great fighters are mid ranked (purple belts) BJJ practitioners. BJJ is a supplement to their other training. JJJ, BJJ, Judo, kick boxing, et.al all complement each other, and I think it’s dangerous to say that one is overall better than the other. Respectfully,

[@ToxicGreen357]

Royce Gracie vs EVERYONE in UFC 1, 2 and 4.... nuff said 😁

[@imnotsure3334]

Tango357 did u not watch what happened when he fought at UFC 60? Matt Hughes bate that fucker like he stole something...”Nuff said”.

[@mohammadghenaat4715]

royse gracie vs Yoshida royce loses.

[@janferfernandez5068]

I am 200% with you and I wish you could read this. I trained Japanese Jujitsu in Cuba and we had live training and combat at least 2 times a week, for long perido of times, and as you said if you don't fight with your team mates, you will never improve. That is the key

[@monomo23]

i'm black belt Judo and Japanese one is more complete for sure and i will choose it Moreover i hate the Gracie family, they are arrogant, did not respect Kimura who is a legend and don't respect martial arts principles

[@michaelhudd1411]

I've been training and teaching Japanese ju jitsu for 20 years and i agree (mostly) with this guy. We live train all the time and is essential for coping with the stress of a real situation. But i don't advise anyone to go to the ground when out on the street when there is the constant danger of weapons and gangs. Like the vid keep up the good work.

[@jerlaine1638]

Jesus I’d say biased. So because 1 gym didn’t spar means every gym doesn’t now...

[@gentlemandudley7761]

The best point that was made throughout this whole video is so correct. Any art you take, if it doesn't have live 100% training is crap. You gotta pressure test it to make sure it works.

[@deisoncoopen4112]

Japanese jujutsu is the mother art ... used in ancient battlefield ... bjj is more like a game

[@gojujoe3337]

Yes and just like Karate if you don't have live sparring you will produce underwhelming black belts.

[@deisoncoopen4112]

Goju Joe yea karate is very old too

[@seancarmody5594]

Bjj is the best

[@jean4j_]

Karate is way younger than Jiu-Jitsu. It wasn't used by Samurai or warriors in ancient Japan

[@bertienorris44]

I have a black belt in Japanese jujitsu but bjj is so different that I'd say it's worth doing both

[@lmk2869]

Live training with a fully resisting opponent based arts or bust for me! Muay Thai, boxing, bjj & judo are the way to go

[@paulbaker6378]

In my 15 years of training i aggree there spot on without a doubt there i think in all honesty.ps Shotokan is NOT VERY GOOD.

[@jadekayak01]

there is nonsuch thing as brazillian jujutsu. brazillian wrestling with a judo bias. jujutsu is japanese full stop and includes weapons and unarmed

[@AJMini557]

As a 1st Dan black belt in Japanese Ju Jitsu, I have always done live training as well as non live training, and I think that sparring and live training is absolutely essential for any martial art, otherwise what use is all the stuff you've learned? Although at my association we've always trained with more of a Judo style of sparring and live training, but we also use a slightly more competitive style that implements kickboxing, going into Judo style training, as a mixed martial art, jujitsu is one of the most effective, whether it's Japanese style or Brazillian style, in my opinion, but I agree that you absolutely have to be sure that there is some form of live sparring.

[@wowantonlavey]

the reason original jj is the way it is lies withe the fact it was used by samurai to fight un armed people. it was the highest trained warriors in the land fighting much lesser opponents. (it was very dishonorable to fight an un armed man with a sword) also modern judo has evolved a lot since kano-jj. You can also poke holes in any martial art for practical use. Look at how lacking soo many bjj schools are in take down training, (lets start from knees) to the raw danger of being on the ground in a real fight.

[@Sadoruro]

wowantonlavey that's factually wrong. Jujitsu was one of the 18 weapons samurai had to master during their training, along with the katana, the spear (yari), the Halberd (naginata), and so on. That means Jujitsu was designed and used as any other weapon on battlefield situation, with the idea of it being a unarmed method to defeat your opponent. And those opponents on battlefield were mostly samurai. This is confirmed both by the history and the principle of this martial art. Mostly by the fact that contrary to Wing Chung or Karate, Jujitsu was designed as a grappling martial art and not a percussion one. For the reason that striking on an armour is not effective while pins and locks are. And this mostly because on contrary to Wing Chung and Karate, Jujitsu had to deal with opponent in body armour because the opponents were mostly samurai.

[@bigjohnhansome5779]

I did Japanese Jiu Jitsu and we trained 'live' as you say. Not all clubs train the same way. I also trained BJJ. I always believe every martial art has something of use. Keep what's useful; discard what's not. It's the only thing I agree with Bruce Lee on.

[@SeenaSpeech]

It's real fucking simple, you just need to look at mixed martial arts. BJJ grew MMA. If top echelon UFC fighters were all training JJJ, then that would be the way to go, but they aren't. The grappling scene in MMA and by itself is dominated by extremely technical BJJ atheletes with or without a strong wrestling background. Live training is very important, if you believe a traditional martial arts of yours is superior then represent it, BJJ athletes have been since the beginning of MMA.

[@wetterwille173]

What you say is true, but you can't compare an MMA-match with a streetfight. MMA is still in a controlled environment, your opponent is at the same weightclass as you and you got a set of rules. So i think JJJ has more effective techniques that can't be used in MMA, like kicking in the balls and such...For a 1 on 1 in MMA i think BJJ is better.

[@bryantharris5914]

Who's more qualified to kick someone in the balls? Someone who's trained at hitting moving targets or someone who kicks at the air? Adjusting to hitting targets like the groin, throat, eyes, back of head are pretty minor adjustments as compared with learning how to strike in a real fight.

[@wetterwille173]

Your question is not relevant. Because neither BJJ or JJJ practices kicking in the balls during sparring. I think you should go practice krav maga, they kick in the balls during sparring. But in JJJ you have sparring like karate/kickboxing. In BJJ you don't. We practice it too little, that's why i also train in a stand-up martial art with full-contact sparring.

[@bryantharris5914]

'What you say is true, but you can't compare an MMA-match with a streetfight.' Your comment was specifically regarding an MMA match.

[@wetterwille173]

I'm sorry, you are right.

[@ronin2167]

It's really the mindset in the art/system. You do have to have a certain level of practical resistance to techniques. Someone just letting you do something is of no use to you. You have to have an authentic attack. However, some techniques practiced with full resistance or speed will only result in injury and people have to work the next day...so beating up on each other all the time will limit your time actually studying the art.

[@dustinwilliams9560]

i train in japanese jujitsu and we roll every night

[@teddyQuake]

You would say some thing like that

[@liamsomeone6333]

I personally practice hakko denshin ryu and here are my two cents on this (when I say JJJ I'm referring to my style specifically): In my dojo, around 10-15 minutes are spent on warming up (loosening wrists to avoid injuries, stretching, running, push-ups, sit-ups, squats, etc.), 15 minutes on rolls, 20 minutes on katas and 40 minutes on henkas (real-life situations) and live training. What I like about JJJ is that it focuses mostly on joint manipulation and pressure points, making it a very effective and painful defensive martial art without using too much force. Practising a lot means they will become reflexes and you'll be able to get someone on the ground extremely fast. Another thing I like is that because most techniques don't cause any lasting damage to the body, just pain, you can practice almost at full power (depending on who you're training with). BJJ focuses more on grappling and ground wrestling and is extremely good at teaching it, I really respect BJJ but I don't really have the time to pick it up. An advantage that BJJ has over JJJ is that it's more effective in ground wrestling, an advantage of JJJ is that because the techniques are mostly done standing up, it is better when you have multiple people attacking you, which makes sense because BJJ was made for 1v1 situations and JJJ was made for close combat on the Japanese battlefield. So I don't really have an answer to the question, I just think it depends on what you like doing and what you're trying to achieve P.S. what you saw was presumably a school that goes too hard on the kata thing

[@shiroyasha5913]

Try hokotoryu Jiu Jutsu. those guys are monsters .

[@northerngaming8287]

This is why, as a black belt (and instructor) in Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, I also practice BJJ and Kickboxing for a combined total of probably ~40% of my training. Japanese Jiu-Jitsu will teach you a wide variety of some of the very best techniques to use, and it will give you a solid base in several other styles, whereas other martial arts will actually get you used to combat.

[@RikthDcruze]

BJJ is great... but JJJ is better. don't be a fool choose JJJ. train live and do great. but best if u can learn BJJ and Kick boxing. more bang for your buck