Reason 2 Die and the Death of the Roblox Zombie Genre | Mutation, Dread, Dead Slate

Roblox's long time favorite zombie game Reason 2 Die was officially shut down in November of 2022. However, with Reason 2 Die: Definitive Edition coming around the corner, I figured that it's time to look at the failed peers of Reason 2 Die and why they failed to successfully take it's place.
Today we're taking a look at Dead Slate, Mutation, and Dread, and analyzing why they haven't caught up with Reason 2 Die after all this time.
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[@Fezezen]

Noticed Guts and Blackpowder in the thumbnail...

[@Breadian]

Noticed your bulge

[@Local_guy_named_Kurtis]

@@Breadian notice that my dad still haven't come home from the cigar store

[@yeahitsme4066]

@@Breadian Could've noticed his dislocated bones but nope, you notice his fat bulge

[@Mattssz]

Guts and black powder video when!!

[@mschf_0]

@@Breadian 😦 bro wut

[@mar-497]

If roblox didn't push out the same 5 anime fighting games I'd probably know about some of these.

[@AVI-lh6rm]

i came very close to making my own roblox anime game lol, it was going pretty good and had a dedicated cult following but unfortunately we never found a scripter so the project died. it was gonna be called stand creator, a standard jojo fighting game with the key difference being the intuitive and in-depth stand creation/customization system :P

[@mar-497]

@@AVI-lh6rm damn that sucks. literally any project rn cause there are no devs.

[@toxicity2137_]

@@AVI-lh6rm Well if you manage to find a scripter then dont make it like ABD cause ABD sucks ass, Add like leveling and stats yk so you can just do something else than flex your weird event stands

[@HaxShorts029]

@@toxicity2137_ ABD didn't suck, ABD was good it just rarely received updates.

[@BucketIHead]

I don't know why people make so many

[@lilkuuru]

This honestly describes the pinnacle of the dwindling zombie genre on roblox perfectly. Aswell as Dead Slate being really boring, games lacking creativity or new concepts. Mutation in its own right is a beautiful zombie game, but agreed that it’s not so friendly to jump into for just anybody.

[@ManicObsevations]

I remember zombie rush and it's copies, they're dead to.

[@ManicObsevations]

I think it's hard to make a game with massive staying power now. You either get branded as a knock off, never get players, or come and go faster then the Pokémon go fad.

[@rouhfus]

nigga fix yo game

[@ManicObsevations]

@@rouhfus ?

[@redactedgamersgd1788]

@@ManicObsevations i pkayed that before but i got bored because the core gameplay of that is endless mode but you have fuckall chance to get to high waves without grinding 10 years for a good gun/gamepasses

[@creepyone3348]

Of all the "human players vs zombies players" games I think Outbreak Survival by hoshpup was the best one, and most fleshed out. You get to choose which zombie you want to be and there are a lot of unlockable ones, also the maps have lots of cool easter eggs and are very big and fun to explore

[@creepyone3348]

@ManaCloak yeah

[@najidsufyan9127]

Dude I tend to get OS and mutation mixed up. I remember enjoying os much more than the other zombie games, thanks for reminding of this gem!

[@creepyone3348]

@@najidsufyan9127 np

[@D3rpyD3su]

Finally, another outbreak survival enthusiast

[@mmmair]

@ManaCloak back in 2014 it used to be the shit, but it hasn't picked up any steam after

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

R2D/R2DA had somehow reached the perfect balance of playable zombies being easily killed but also easily killing players if they get the jump on them, as opposed to every other playable zombie game where playable zombies are literal fodder who die and cant do anything (mutation), or where they'd absurdly op and steamroll players (dread)

[@dungbass3345]

left 4 survival zombies try not to obliterate the human team challenge

[@bleba7738]

"Zombies can't do anything," dude, in this game, 4 rounds out of 5 is a zombie victory.

[@justbeatit2172]

​@@bleba7738mount abusers

[@D3K43]

"Survive for X amount of time, kill zombies to grind guns." Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you just described about 90% of all zombie games on roblox, even Reason 2 Die followed this formula.

[@tommyspaghet6877]

For real though

[@DaKing08]

The problem with Mutation (speaking from experience) is the severe and utter lack of beginner pre-made loadouts that showcase several playstyles and loadout creation guides. Add that onto a lack of content, a lack of cooperation (people don’t stay still when I try to heal using *projectiles*) and seemingly expensive (to unlock) items and you have a beginner-unfriendly game. Once you get into it, however, it’s quite fun!

[@DaKing08]

Tip: ALWAYS save up for important items for builds (e.g. armour sets and perks) Another tip is that playing medic is a decent point grinding method (Use Medic Perk and a item that heals others. Add Latex Gloves and you have a decent medic build) (DOC is bad for healing (lowest heal per second) but good for when others have erratic movement) (Z-Bane is amazing due to having both healing and combat capabilities)

[@KeikaZ]

first game to sell 1 mutatillion copies

[@weewoogee]

arcade shooty pow pow skill game = free 750~ points as long as you can work a mouse slightly the most expensive weapons cost 2500~ 😄

[@boo-narrative]

mutation is just go training test stuff find out paintball + elementalist makes you be meta and win every single game as human

[@offandsphere6788]

@@weewoogee nah you do NOT do that in public servers, ping makes you get like ~550 points instead

[@Para_lellogram]

Well I guess you can say reason 2 die had a reason 2 die

[@flamedepic6691]

Would have been better if you said reason 2 end

[@xXFeetSpitXx]

It would not have been better

[@gentamico5410]

​@@flamedepic6691 stupid taliban

[@guilsor78]

🥁

[@nardezy]

Dead Slate started great, in fact I loved it, but later the developers started making weird changes.. Instead of adding content they removed it, completely changed the style of the game, etc. It's sad, because when I asked the people playing this game (who played older versions) literally agreed with me that the new version is just worse at every aspect. I really don't get developers sometimes..

[@Breadian]

Removing the prowler game mode and replacing it with mini games sucked. Also disliked how they racked up the weapon prices so high because a large appeal of the game was the cheap weapons.

[@midorithefestivegardevoir6727]

@@Breadian Me rejoining Dead Slate to find out my weapons got confiscated: "what do you mean I can't have a baby M1 Garand as a secondary"

[@nardezy]

@@midorithefestivegardevoir6727 I miss my akimbo Pistols :c

[@WhoAmIHmmm]

@@Breadian There was a prowler game mode? What was it about? And what was the problem with mini games? Also I understand the decision of rising the weapon prices, it would cause people to play more the game in order to gain more weapons but it seemed that they rised so much the price of the weapons that I stopped playing due to how much grinding it would take to buy any weapon

[@Brenskii101]

@Homero romagnoli Prowler was a gamemode where 1 guy was chosen at random to play an invisible monster with like 5000 hp and special abilities. It was essentially an 11v1 where it's you and other players trying to kill a very fast and tough zombie that, if I remember correctly, had a special mechanic where it couldn't heal over time it had to kill survivors to regen. Also you were both on the clock.

[@n1ghtfa1l]

Honestly r2d is just something that won’t ever be replaced No matter what people do nobody can’t match the enjoyment r2d had

[@hfghhgfhfghfg]

agreed it was insanely good

[@AlphonsoGames]

r2da definitive edition

[@Argo_Spiral]

From what I can tell TUC's development team, now named Neverdie Interactive have a history of games that go through development hell, get canned before they can be finished, or are just underwhelming to people. They seem aware of this and seem to want to break the cycle, with two new games in development, Empyreus, a neoclassic rpg, and dead brickz, which seems to be a return to form in zombie games. About the video itself, it's very interesting to see how this genre has progressed and the state its in now. Hopefully the kids will finally grow up and roblox will start marketing to teens more, meaning these better projects (as in better than the front page slop we got now) succeed. I agree that these zombie games don't seem to understand that if you want to replicate something and succeed, you actually have to add in your own good and unique elements as well. You did a good job on this one Breadian!

[@edu7979]

Isnt empyreus on hold or was deadbrickz on hold? I read that empyreus was on holf cuz thats the rpg

[@WhoAmIHmmm]

If many people keep playing generic cashgrab simulator games, adopt me, brookhaven and pretty much games mainly made for children, then I don't think the roblox platform will shift to teens that much

[@atomickarate3421]

I have been waiting for a style video like this on the deaths of eras and genres of Roblox games. Especially looking at how modern Roblox is now. Would love to see dives in the anime/RPGs games and the fps genre. Feel like there needs to be a discussion on just how great and fresh these games used to be compared to the cash grabs now

[@headwreak1768]

wish that he would check out the fascinating but small genre of creature survival games.

[@denlake9045]

Except Anime is far from dying on Roblox, which sucks. I came back to visit and everywhere there is boring anime games

[@RackOne]

I have pretty high hopes that for a new game called "Blam", which is developed by one of R2D's contributors Gosinister, and uses gameplay elements from R2D while putting on it's own twist. Not much has been seen right now but the things we have look really cool and interesting. The maps in particular are made by one of the builders for R2D's maps. Hopefully this game can revive the "zombie" genre but who knows.

[@oofshinobi5623]

Do you know about ready 2 die / r2dde too?

[@ABlueThing]

I never really enjoyed reason 2 die it felt quite unfair but it did seem to be going strong so it did caught me off guard to see it die

[@sonof6802]

same tbh i never really liked r2d

[@thatoneskinfromarsenal]

Hi, former tester for dead slate and I guess you could say old time player. Game used to be fun, started making weird odd changes to gameplay while I looked away, each time I checked the changelog they made some weird change to the game or removed something that was genuinely good. Game used to have a different style at first, blunderbuss used to be a quad barrel shotgun similar to metro 2033 or something, then they wanted to go for a more old roblox look and then suddenly I guess they wanted to make the game just like old roblox. Kinda boring. The one thing that pushed me away the most was the removal of backpack reloading, a mechanic where if you reload and switch to your secondary, the weapon would continue reloading in the background. It had fun strats, the game was balanced around it, and people had no problem with it until it suddenly just went bye bye. rambling on too much but tl;dr game was cool and then it got boring for some reason But they're adding a VIP gamemode or something soon.

[@AceOfMustangs]

i’ve been playing dread for 3 years (and have 1.6M bucks), and i agree that the grind and zombie gameplay is dry

[@hubhx]

finally someone that remembers, still missing r2da even tho it was flawed 🙏

[@pantommy]

Given I've spent about a decade playing this franchise I feel obligated to give my 2 cents on it. I think you should've went more in-depth into how the game started going downhill ever since 2019-2020, around the same time as the Easter event. It was one of the first times we've had an insanely delayed update, and one that was very forgettable (justice for papa squid). It was also the beginning of the "bosses over gameplay" trend, where events and boss-fights started taking priority over much needed quality of life updates like adding more campaigns to existing maps, buffing campaign rewards, rebalancing weapons, item and zombies and so on. The exact moment R2DA went to shit was when prestige was added, the single worst update in the game's history. Prestige only accentuated the worst parts of the game, it gave people a reason to farm in the most repetitive ways possible. I vividly remember there being NO campaign servers but like 3 void servers. The only viable guns that you had to use were the Dragunov and the Winchester. Matter of fact, ask any prestige 15 including myself just what impact the feature had on the game, and they'll echo this sentiment. If completely breaking the game's core gameplay loop wasn't enough, the update brought upon other sequential poor updates meant to balance the game around the HIGH levels instead of balancing it around new players (which was already an issue). Things like the champion and the god-forsaken deadvelopment center only served to balance out the outrageous amounts of health that prestige 15 players had, all to the detriment of people who aren't willing to farm. Prestige was NOT optional, and that was a problem. At one point I was even starting to question was R2DA even is about. It became a mess of boss-fights and people spamming spawn-points with explosives. The core gameplay of the game should've revolved around campaigns and survival, the zombies should've chased after humans, NOT the other way around. In the game's final days of development updates to campaign rewards pretty much brought them back from irrelevancy, people were playing campaigns and doing objectives to earn bonuses with each task completed at the end of the round (something I myself have suggested once). The game was looking hopeful, until PR just threw the towel and cancelled it all. The following 2 years were a bitter-sweet period of mourning and enjoying the game as much as possible. I must say, spam-buying max brutes to counter mini minigun spammers was the single best experience I've had with the game... And that brings us here, the end of the line. I personally believe there's potential for a new game that could and SHOULD learn from R2DA's mistakes. R2D:DE looks promising, to say the least, though I'm not entirely confident of the directions the devs want to pursue. The whole hype around these false remakes has soured my perspective on the whole matter, and I genuinely condemn any fools who either tried to become overnight developers or who supported these false promises. That being said, only now do I really see the impact R2DA has had on this platform, even as seemingly unknown as it was. The game has brought upon a myriad of talented people on this platform, something which I could've never expected. In truth, R2DA was important. It was influential. It shaped many great people on this platform, people who've achieved great things. Now it's the turn for the next generation to learn from the past and make their own experiences. Just... don't add prestige...

[@Breadian]

I’m aware of all this but I felt as if it would have been too repetitive of another persons video. Also I just didn’t have enough footage I had to use super old clips as you can see 💀💀

[@offandsphere6788]

ayo +20 HEALTH PER PRESTIGE? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A STUPID GOLDEN CRATE FARM

[@tonyg196]

Another problem with bosses is that it simply provided a temporary boost to the games player count. By the time it was over the number of players would drastically decrease. It’s was a never ending cycle. It’s always been crazy to me that placerebuilder would much rather focus on short term features such as events rather than making changes to the game that would benefit it in the long run.

[@LordTrashcanRulez]

The biggest issue R2DA was facing from a developer PoV was 1. Lack of proper developers and beta testers, correct me if I'm wrong here but the game's development hell cycle began when one of the devs stopped working on r2da to work on his own game (tower defense simulator), add in the staff drama and you get HELL on EARTH. Believe me, having to make all or even just most of the models, scripting, sound effects, soundtrack and ideas for your game is no easy task and leaves little room for testing properly. 2. Real life problems, PR said that working on R2DA for so long has given him serious mental issues, and the money wasn't worth it - the money itself wasn't that good either way. He also actually has a family, unlike most roblox devs. 3. Hackers slowly starting to increase, nowhere near the early 2010s but it was one of the biggest periods of R2DA hacking. 4. Divided community, between all the drama, farm techniques like players sticking to one map to farm money and xp instead of actually enjoying the game, and high leveled players VS newbie tensions the game was barely standing together. There's a reason why PR barely interacts with the community, and getting creative criticism is a huge pain when you have all kinds of players like this.

[@Thanatossssx]

I know what you mean. I've been playing since R2D (I even have the edgar hat) and I feel like that in the old game having the max rank was more prestigious. In R2DA, unless you were prestige +X or smth liike that nobody really cared. Farm servers were like a pandora box. I feel like the main sentiment was that if you werent grinding FAST in a farm server wheter for weapons/xp , you were wasting your time since, why go slower if you can hop in prison and farm much much more faster than in any other map or gamemode? Simply being able to choose between a farm and a campaign server planted the seed for the grindy nature and at the same time devaluated the prestige that comes from being max rank. Prestiges too, they should have never existed in the first place. The game had enough replayability by itself and this only fed more into the grindy nature of the game because once youre done with max rank, theres prestige and more prestige. Your so accustombed to grinding that by the point you reach max rank instead of going to have fun in any other game mode you have the option of keep grinding. No prison/void server could ever compete with an ol good brute spamming as a zombie in a campaign map.

[@darealmrman2266]

Mutation is dead. The game used to have an average of 10 people. now it is down to 2.

[@Real_Potato_Man]

Mutation is quite good even in the present day. Although if you are a beginner, you're gonna be tolerated as a noon and probably will get targeted for points. Right now Mutation is getting updated by the upcoming "Genes" Update, but not so frequently. Once you get the rhythm of it, you're gonna be using some loadouts that make you rule either your survivability, speed or damage. Or you can just wipe H-team as a zombie because you got rad or venom or whatever with cyborg super and you get boosted by gravity coil with flag dudes.

[@kenjiren9185]

babe wake up new breadian video

[@Breadian]

I'm glad that your relationship is able to flourish through the fact that you both mutually enjoy my videos.

[@azurewrathlord8595]

i think that the reason why most zombie games are dying too rearly is a really funny reason, "NO CASUAL GAMEPLAY ITS ALL PVP HERE AND PVP THERE", cuz you either join a zombie game with high level players insta killing you all the time or using the best of the best strategy to rekt ya making you lose interest in the game, no games appart from r2d which i kinda of hated a bit was like it.

[@tommyspaghet6877]

It's mostly the game design in particular, at least that's how I see it. Most has zombies that are soft af and die in a couple shots and humans are showered with all sorts of powerups, insane weapons, abilities, and whatnot while leaving the other side in darkness. It's a weird reoccurring pattern in pvp zombie games and it definitely ruins the fun (well atleast if you want to play at the zombie team), especially newcomers. Dead Slate, like L4D2, had deviated from the pattern by letting the players play as special zombies and not having to W your way into your death with only one attack in an endless loop, especially with players with absurdly op weapons. When a game adds a bullet sponge (in this case, a "tank" zombie which is basically W into your death again and has only one attack, but instead has a lot more health and that's it) to implement a cheap fix on zombies normally being as strong as a soggy paper, you know that the game's balancing is shit for the least (especially when it's a PVP game), which again, ruins the fun and lessens interest to keep playing because it's done too often. Idk about the best of the best of strategies you're referring to. Maybe it's just players spawnkilling, camping, or exploiting, idk

[@Arqouda]

One of the best zombie games in Roblox I've played that's pretty obscure is Rise of the Dead. Feels reminiscent of those older RPG-styled roblox games but really overhauled

[@REALPotatoEater]

damn i really loved the og reason 2 die, i remember playing it a few years back in finobe (when that still existed) and going insane over how nostalgic that was... it was one of the games i played the most during 2012, even though i didn't play the newer version that much i still enjoyed it a little and its sad that its gone

[@galaxybandit9829]

0:51 love how vampire hunter 3 is just there for no reason

[@TheLethal]

dont worry, we still have contact a888 and tbbf

[@BrightCaster]

Infection was quite polished and had some interesting things to its gameplay loop, did have some problems but obviously had potential. Not entirely sure what resulted in the halt of its development before it completely died out, which is unfortunate.

[@SnepLeo]

I think A-888 has great potential! Although you can't play as an anomaly, no one wants to play zombies anyways. You should do a review on it!

[@megamoondude01]

it's definetly more refreshing having a PvE experience that is still fun instead of the PvP from anomalous activities plus you can make some really nice combos with it

[@zarkuz]

I hope they add more bosses thought but the game is really good

[@datkuro3395]

In the new update, you can now play as an anomaly that is called the acolyte that has almost the same stats as a corpse walker

[@purplebelike5510]

Its funny that you mentioned Reason 3 Die because i used to work for them

[@NightC7785]

another thing about the flaws in Dead Slate: Lackluster maps, comparing Dead Slate's map to another roblox zombie pvp game's map, Dead Slate seems to be more close quarter, not much space to wander around and feel pretty lackluster. The game has slow paced movement, mostly because to made up for the close quartered maps

[@wind_swept]

It's not dead yet.. It's just.. Like an old man with dementia. Yeah, you can talk to him. Yes, he's right there, but something is off. It's not fun to talk to him anymore.. It kinda just hurts. You remember the man who used to be so fun to talk to turn into this empty shell of who he once was, and it's sad. It's miserable, and you miss him. You miss him and he's still there.

[@onetonman]

I don't think the "zombie genre" on roblox is really dead but "pvp zombies and players" is

[@sacredbread]

yeah, just look at Zombie attack, Michael's zombies, project lazarus, etc.

[@variegatus4674]

@@sacredbread Michael's Zombies is just a nazi zombies clone

[@soursalt698]

@@variegatus4674 it's not even fully a clone, they stated in their discord they're not going to just make the same stuff from cod anymore, they even completely ignore suggestions to add maps from actual cod zombies

[@tehnsib]

r2da was unironically ONE OF A KIND. Nothing has ever came close to what type of game it was, not a single clone or other zombie game ever got to that level, really wish placerebuilder never completely SHUT DOWN r2da, it's a game I KNOW I'd love to revisit every now and again with some friends because it was THAT good. I have faith in R2D:DE dont get me wrong but I know it just wont be the same

[@bruh_moment2833]

Humans vs zombies by homermafia came really close but for some reason they reverted the overhaul update and made it back to the 2011 version of the game

[@Zig5669]

I never played R2D but I remember playing one called The Final Stand 2 that was and still is pretty fun to play from time to time.

[@YourFoxFriendYT]

I feel like R2D was cursed to die because there wasn’t new maps and he gameplay just went bad when it became a weird boss and survival house

[@beanhunter4647]

I wonder what you think of First Contact: A-888, while it isn't exactly a zombie game, it is pretty similar in essence, although players cant become a zombie themselves, dead teammates turn into that game's version of zombies (corpsewalkers).

[@anusaukko6792]

It's fun, but its more like Killing Floor than a definitive zombie game. Its super top tier though.

[@seththesheriff1275]

Nah they turn into Acolytes

[@riz.6654]

Dread player here I still don't know how it got me interested play for 2,5 years Even how lack of contents Dread has, and the only available gun i'm using RPK in that entire year. On this new age it's a impossible to win on this new update they buff the zombie way too much, In addition the new rare buff zombie when they active rush ability they're impossible to evade if u dont have a near tall object surrounding you which openfield area is a big risk, it's useless to shoot them down when they have 1500 heath took too long to takedown them, and the thing there's a equivalent than that, a 2 or 3 riot zombie player in public server running towards you is like a death wish. Pray to god you wont survive them just ridiculous how stupid you gonna waste a bullet on them, every normal zombie like (riot, normal, bloodsucker, anarchist) has 10 - 20 damage hit (scale). with no armor on new players like (bronze & silver) with crappy gun won't be survive them for less a minute. Survivor has 100 health and you have 5-10 hit than you got knock, this is the reason why new player not many playing it. I reach Rank 44 (Ruby 4) iirc and I'm an hardcore player main RPK and No armor User basically i love destroying kids on zombie game, and the thing what i hate the most is how i play unhealthy time on this game.

[@Anglerfishyfishy]

really loved this video lmfao these silly little roblox essays are cool keep up the good work

[@admiren]

can agree, zombie games that aren’t r2da just really are out there ready to suffer the consequences of trying for popularity specifically reason 2 die classic edition since the big joke sometimes is to not play the game

[@TacoDuke]

For me, roblox has been very deviod of creativity as of recent. Although who knows, maybe im just to old for roblox now

[@Breadian]

You and me both

[@DaKing08]

it’s all collector simulators (ea’s children)

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

@@DaKing08 ikr roblox is getting more boring with these p2w games, especially simulators

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

Metalworks sandbox demo still peak

[@nash3465]

To be fair about Dread, it's a good game, there are only 2 main devs and a helping administrator, they're all good people, but Dread it's NOT a R2D copy, infact, it has it's own identity, Dread it's not a game about only “grinding”, in fact, R2D had waaaay more grinding (which wasn't rewarding at all) and it was hell playing as a zombie in R2D, that's why Dread is and will always be it's own game, not a “R2D copy” as many will call it.

[@Virgilintendent]

I cried the moment I knew about r2da being closed

[@atig51]

I joined later into R2DA's development before the discontinuation, and I can absolutely see why it is fun to many people, but from the perspective of a new person in the community who wanted to have fun, it was very grindy/unfriendly to new players. Reason 2 Die could've became a much greater game had Place not discontinued it, but in the state it was, it literally had a reason to die. Bugs, exploiters, etc. were all reasons the game would die eventually (the latter being what Place said killed the game), but the inability to make improvement before the discontinuation, Place left the game in an unhealthy state with no patch update to help remedy it. Once the game hit rock bottom, it was officially taken down.

[@kalek2007]

Reason 2 Die was my childhood

[@muneymap]

The zombie genre completely died on roblox for two reason. Firstly being it's mostly recycled content and the quality/ engagement isn't all there. Secondly, most of us who used to play those types of game have no real desire to continue playing them other than visiting childhood memories. Look at games coming out these days, most of them being simulators or anime games. To conclude this, Roblox is completely different in the aspect of gameplay, audience type, graphics, and engagement which all of these new zombie games lack. How many newer zombie games can you say implement all of those or at least some? None. If someone's going to go out and make their own zombie game, at least revolutionize it. Change it in some way, not only by implementing new zombies. For example, the ability to double jump so you can climb the side of a small building. I have a strong belief I could create a game-changing zombie game but honestly I have to more faith or desire to play Roblox as I'm more focused on other thinks such as growing businesses rather than sitting around playing a child's games around the clock; I think most of us 'OGs' could agree.

[@desuite2413]

"Why there isn't a New reason 2 die?" I ask myself that everyday

[@brochacho1001]

A good zombie game I’ve been playing is actually an extension of criminality. Even though it mostly has dead slate type gameplay loop minus the grinding, RVVZ still made it fun with making it pretty easy to get powerful guns, designing a pretty cool map with a ventilation and sewer system, and giving it a horror feel with limited visibility, recycled screams and zombie noises, and some of the zombies design like the brute and hunter. I just find it fun that I can be trying to patrol the streets and alleys and then I hear the hunter noise and know to fuck on out of there to another group. Being a zombie can be boring, as you have low health and you mainly just die over and over, but it’s really fun when you become the subclass bosses. It’s also cool to see everyone develop a hive mind toward the final hours and I’ve seen several times dozens of people stacking world war z style to get someone or holding a corner to coordinate a push. My only issue is that it’s really repetitive after 4 or 5 rounds. It’s a game you pick up for an hour or two and put down for a couple days.

[@its_aaron-nt6br]

Mutation's tutorial drives players away cause of 2 reasons: the one you talked about (the one i didnt have a problem with) and the fact that its so hard, if you ask any actual players they'd say its rather easy but most of my friends spent about an hour on the tutorial, and only 2 of them took 15-10 minutes, none of them even got the fast learner achievement yet

[@Jos_zi]

mutation was (and is) one of the best zombie games on roblox. It had a lot of depth and complexity, rather too much of it for the average roblox player, coupled with its toxic community it becomes unfriendly to new players, and so it will not be a mainstream game😢

[@7swordsinc909]

good video as usual 👍👍👍 i agree with your opinion that dread is reallyyyy basic, its the most default, placeholder type of zombie game on roblox i have ever played,though, i racked up 26 levels, got an rpk and deagle, it became boring eventually.(btw idk if you care to read this, but i played this game since its infancy, seriously, i wanna put that the game then was buggy, for me i think, bcuz when i asked other players if they were having issues they replied they didnt, i recall how i had trouble equipping a starter pistol. i have pre-alpha exclusive badge to confirm my claim, the badges name is "hackerman'd") oh and about dead slate, that game was fun as well, though, your opinion on that the only unique thing about the game is its appearance, kinda sounds like youre downplaying the role of an art-style. its style is what made me hooked on it, the gameplay was quite fine and the guns had satisfying feeling to them (in my opinion) also also, i know one zombie game on roblox, that is, pretty active to this day, its called the final stand 2 idk if you heard of it but if you did, i better see you review it!!

[@Dog_e]

the r2d classic edition joke got me lmao

[@DonQuixoteFixer]

Dead slate is doing fine now

[@Error404DataNotFound]

reason 2 die was already dead once they started to move out of their original formula, i think the first R2D iteration was the real deal (even though it wasn't placerebuilder's creation.), it was clunky, had a few bugs or exploits, but overall you could enjoy the game. Nowadays before it was discontinued, it was an overglorified powertrip experience whenever you play survivor, and a spawnkilling one whenever you played zombies, there's no invincibility and you die before you can even do anything. Not to mention the unholy grind and the fact that you really don't get any preset weapons (or find ones for that matter), you start with a weak ass pistol that runs out quickly, if you wanted to progress, you would have to grind singleplayer and shoot the same zombies until you can scrape enough money for a better weapon. And the gamepass shit + monetization. Had the guy only sticked to rebuilding the place and keeping it as it is, the game wouldn't be such an eyesore. Guy could've started a new zombie game with a different name since the creation ain't his.

[@theshrimpthatisshrimp]

0:50 a new version of r2d is actually in progress, tho made not by placerebuilder. it was called reason 2 die defenitive edition first, but placerebuilder allowed to name it "reason 2 die" it will be released in august

[@fitmotheyap]

Delayed to october, sad moment

[@Deltanautica]

Miss the old days

[@captainhappyy]

WHAT nooooo i loved that game very much. This is the 1st i have heard of the game being discontinued im sad to see it go.

[@Dot_1]

Dread deserves the lack of players it has. The community is toxic, the game has lack of updates, the zombies are really stupid and too aggressive (70% of the zombies are just rushing to walls), the xp system also beyond trash and inhuman unless you have no life, and the musics also too dramatic. I have played that game for over a year and i have no idea why did i even like it. I'd rate it 5/10

[@PatitoSkull]

"Or maybe we are growing up" That hit hard not gonna lie

[@superpokecraftuniverse4539]

0:19 "Why isn't there a new reason to die?" I can probably think of a few out of context jokes for this line.

[@AVI-lh6rm]

honestly some of the only reasons i played r2d was because it let you use your own avatar, it was third person, and was pretty social. i just really like being able to oggle at my avatar lol. im a sucker for good customization in games and its such a shame that roblox, despite having what i would say is one of the best player customization systems, most games that aren't garbage dont let you use your own avatar

[@AVI-lh6rm]

addendum: i should also note that because of those few reasons why i liked the game, i ended up sinking a ton of time into it. got a lot of weapons and got to level like 57 or something without level grinding, and for a short period of time i had a bit of a reputation in pvp servers as "grenade man" for throwing explosives constantly and nailing them perfectly lol. also just wanna say that i appreciate the addition of captions in this video

[@spy1679]

Games like Mutation,Dead Slate and Noob vs Zombies is very and pretty underrated for roblox games. Its juat like a hidden gems of roblox

[@zank8151]

i played r2d SO MUCH, shame they never put effort into it near the end of its life

[@exotic1405]

There's a fanmade recreation called r2d: definitive definition that promises to be r2da but better

[@corrupt2002]

Michael's zombies is basically cod zombies and I enjoy it

[@PhadexLXIV_Greece]

I'll miss the fun of tripping Brutes in R2Da so much...

[@Godzillafan78]

Ahh the guts and black powder one is the funniest ones in the thumbnail considering it’s in great success rn

[@Breadian]

Yeah because fezezen and I are friends and I just put it in there for clickbait

[@jason94207]

Honestly, since I started played Dead Slate back in 2020. Gameplay was really fun and the stuff was cool until they did one of the updates removed some things and added crappy trials modes. It got really boring for me and the updates were cool for like a week. I’ve made some friends there who would frequently play but now they play like once a while. But now, Dead Slate in its current state is getting a lot better. There is more zombie variety, new guns, gameplay style, etc. Dead Slate has become more fun for me. Although some things are removed like prowler, the game is still fun. I think you should probably review this game sometime later.

[@NotLocalBot]

Seeing VH3 in your Continue (?) Is so heartwarming

[@soulstar5940]

A r2da revamp came about 3 months ago, it closed soon after. It was great but it really missed some things, but after all it was still in demo. I hope I can see more good things coming from it though! (It’s called r2d de btw)

[@fizbutrealong]

reason 2 die, despite all its faults, is still held as my favourite shooter ever i was playing r2da since 2018 2019 and it was just such a good game it really sucks how PR instead of giving away ownership decided to just delete it

[@exotic1405]

Luckily he is allowing reboots now, just with different names. R2da is a good concept with fun ideas and a powerful legacy, but it was heavily flawed. The reboots may never have that same nostalgic vibe, but hopefully they will try and get it right this time

[@Interstellar411]

One of the main reasons why these zombie genre games are mostly dead because of how repetitive they are like a time loop. Get on and play, grind, survive, kill, buy weapons or accessories, and repeat. That's what made these games just boring not fun. Also, RIP Will 2 Live and its lore lol (it will return soon.)

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

What abt simulators? There also the reason roblox is getting boring

[@Interstellar411]

@@pcoyoafnananimates2337Yes

[@tommyspaghet6877]

​@@pcoyoafnananimates2337yep, that too.

[@Mycoh]

Bro the dread roblox zombie game is so underrated that it's a dying game

[@Local_Lad]

While MZ is a bit uninspired, the zombies have proper crowd AI (if another zombie is going to the exact same spot they randomize their movement slightly to ensure they don’t just like up) and lose track if you run far enough, creating a game where you have to dodge while moving away, however, the guns are unoriginal the gameplay gets stale fast, and the attachment system is a poor patchwork way to add content. I wish the was a game that did what MZ did with the AI that wasn’t just… awful. A few more examples, A-888 is a spin-off of an a,really mature, complicated, difficult game. Hint as to why it’s got low player count: they leaned into it DW is old, unupdated, and technically not a zombie game but it’s wave based and it’s got hordes so I’m adding it anyways, the idea of having multiple phases for scavenging where you can hide from the enemy while getting what you need is a cool idea though. Guts and black powder has black powder as a core mechanic, every guns got one shot and mose people don’t want just muskets and flintlocks, when people think of zombie games they think of shotguns and assault rifles. There are more but I’m too lazy

[@AbyssalRblx-l8v]

i played this game for years, it's actually sad..

[@Lazar_STS]

I used to play Zombie Rush, Bloodfest and now Michaels Zombies, all very different games but one can notice the fall throughout the years..

[@TheShab8422]

But seriously , there was an option to transfer devship to Jopede but PR was too afraid he might screw things up so PR screwed everything himself

[@mathiasma9869]

It was my favorite game. I stoped playing on rank 27 a year ago because there were not many players.

[@sammiejoshi]

reason 2 die was not a perfect game in any means whatsoever but god damn was it one hell of a ride, I don’t think any game could ever match the feeling that playing r2da gave me as a kid, not even a remake of it. l fully respect PRs decision to end the game, since at that point he had already been working on the r2d franchise for like 12-13 years, and it definitely took a toll on him, but I wholeheartedly believe that there could never be another game like reason 2 die ever again. I started playing the original when I was a mere 6-7 years old in 2014, so I literally grew up with the game. I even ended up contributing to the game by building a quest and boss arena for the last halloween event, although that event was kind of a mess. R2DAs influence has stretched far throughout Roblox, with many big developers having been previous fans of the game, such as BelowNatural, RVVZ, or even Aesthetical, the creator of Prison Life. It has set my life on a path that I doubt I would have taken if not for the game, and I am forever thankful.

[@exotic1405]

Roblox just doesn't allow these types of games anymore, and the demographic that built all of it was also left behind. It was fun but it's clear this stuff isn't being strived for, both modern audiences and company

[@exotic1405]

I like to classify the age as the "mini games era" where basically everything was round-based, fun little things with neat ideas and concepts. Little micro-translations present, a bearable community, and a company that didn't plummet itself into soulless-ness just yet. We still have emulations of this age with games like minus elevation, super doomspire, roblox courtroom (all-though that game is now filled with unfunny trolls), etc.

[@Tryhar_D]

Man a zombie game where you had farming mechanics and protecting the base even had roleplayers making lore No one even remembered it I forgot what the name was but it was called “Left for dead” or something like that

[@landonriegel1280]

the only one of those games i liked was the undead coming because of how nostalgic it was compared to all the others

[@Breadian]

It was mid but I kept playing it because I desperately wanted it to be better

[@Enderkilla]

The left 4 dead special infected made it unique because no other zombie game did that

[@supermegabenji1026]

People forgot that, This game Used to be a 'Left 4 Dead' Parody but now it's just Crazy Game made by a Drug addict.

[@dedde1311]

drug addict? can you elaborate? what did pr do?

[@supermegabenji1026]

@@dedde1311 No, It's and Expression for a Person Going Nuts and adding Random Things to a Left 4 Dead Parody game

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

thsi reminds me, and forgive me for the niche comparison, to the death of another genre defining roblox game: monster mania. it was extremely popular and had basically no competition, until one day its dev just...decided to get rid of it, for no particular reason. this led to a huge amount of remakes, clones, and inspired games, but none of them could live up to the OG, leaving only a scattered mess of shitty undertale games.

[@shaggymofo7716]

I love these type of games, it’s so hard to found it here on Roblox, I’m currently playing one that is similar but not quite the magic but has a reasonable player based.

[@LeapInno]

The pink suit man has done just about everything.

[@Eylis.]

Dont be sad friend. Its back again. Expect some nostalgia. Go play it now.

[@LeandroFilho-q7w]

Hello, i was wandeing around in youtube when i notice your video! i loved everything in it! Im trying to learn lua ASAP, beacuse i want to have a career in programming (scripting) things, and r2da (and other zombie games) are perfect example of what i am trying to accomplish! the Lua area is new to me (i dont know nothing about scripting), but im trying my best. I hope that all here could, someday!!!, test my game... RIP r2da, one of my favorite games that made my childhood!!!

[@somebody-sz3lx]

about mutation, if you have 2 or more zombies on your team all of you can prey on a single human at a time.

[@DyslexicChiahuahua]

very well done Bread!

[@Breadian]

Thank you seek

[@jinwany7806]

​@@Breadianguts and blackpowder is more numbers I think you should check

[@mr.smarty7138]

This games where one of the coolest and the ones i've ever enjoyed watching on KZbin but lately it's a buggy messed and honestly unplayable it no longer gives the feeling as it once did.

[@TheBigYosh]

RE: Infected was a banger until it got locked (by devs) for big boy update

[@ijjbutijj6392]

reinfected was a laggy mess before it got locked, but next testing place release will be much cleaner and more polished

[@qwekl997]

this is just depressing, really depressing..

[@williambarrett1683]

Im a mutation/dead slate gamer and i got some thoughts for both. For dead slate: it around a month ago got a zombie balance update and brought back parasite in a less painful to fight way so yeah game got better for zombies more fun personally now. Mutation: the game is most definetly Not new player friendly and even with the balancing and what not usually humans win if they got a op weapon abuser or loose since too many zombies, the game has insane customability both for humans and zombies, but theirs always a clear build that rules all as of now: warrior any heavy melee since it one taps. Not even brutes got a chance, overall the balancing for mutation is wonky but fun anyways. And for dead slate, very enjoyable and great gunplay

[@immentallyinsane3324]

dread isnt so bad but was at its peak at 2021 ngl the balancing is being worked on as im supplying the owner with maps too and overall im trying to make the game more fun and the best part is that the owner himself is in contact with me

[@dubmegavin8719]

R2D is game that I really hate, but also want to love. I had times where it can be fun, but times where it’s infuriating and unfair.

[@Breadian]

Maybe we can love eachother instead

[@ucgg38]

i miss this game :(

[@ketertube]

Me waiting for Project Blam 💀 I'd guess I'd make my own undead nation maybe. if only Undead coming devs didn't scrapped undead nation project for being reaching the limits of roblox. I wish there's a remake of Advert the Odds II or iconic 2012 roblox shooter Authority.

[@MattTheCat47]

R2DA is coming back very soon but as a remake called “Ready 2 die”. :P

[@Real_funnyman]

LESSSSSS GOOOOOOO

[@el_dre]

mfs keep delaying it so don’t get your hopes up

[@fitmotheyap]

​@@el_dre tbf it takes long to make and got delayed again because for some reason they want demo stats to transfer over to alpha

[@kidsgamingchannel8194]

I still believe mutation could be the next master piece... maybe if there was not me because of my load out...

[@TheRealGuestt]

One zombie player vs survivor player game i found really cool was "Infection" by Frosted Studios. I haven't played it in 3 years but the graphics were really nice and so were the guns. It wasn't grindy either. There was only one map, a remastered version of the OG undead coming. We would have likely seen more maps if the devs didn't give up on it. It was quite popular too, having ~1000 players upon release and over 4000 days later. Now it's dead and stuck on 0 players.

[@propelledgaming9441]

I dont understand why the creator closed the game people would still be playing it.