Break The ICE | ICE Panels vs SIPs

[@mylesoffgrid]

I got the GSBP ICE in our build. It was a warm winter

[@grantcrawford823]

Wood will last just as long as steel as long as the house is built properly and moisture doesn't get in. Since so many passive houses are built with sips, the thermal bridging is not an issue. This video is industry talk designed to sell you a product, not educate you. Not that this is a bad product (compared to traditional building its probably great), but it's basically another SIPS panel.

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

The ICE Panel may be similar to a SIP's product, however it functions quite differently. There is no thermal bridging which will reduce/stop moisture and condensations issues are eliminated. In any building method, it is good to use basic building practices to make sure this won't occur. There are other benefits to consider with the ICE Panels such as R-value, shorter build times, air tightness and less waste on site.

[@grantcrawford823]

@@GreenstoneBuildingProducts all of the benefits you're describing are essentially the same as SIPS. You have a continuous insulative layer with high r value and no thermal bridging. This is able to provide an airtight shell for the house (when installed correctly). Rather than an outside layer of OSB or CLT, you have steel. There may be a structural advantage to this over OSB, but I'm sure there's also a price difference too.

[@randominternet5586]

@@grantcrawford823 Many sips have wood frame inside to carry load down - so often can have bridging. Other SIPS can accept a SIP Spline but not all actually have continuous insulation.

[@stediasse]

The fact that the SIP acronym is explained at the start, but at no point is it explained what ICE stands for.

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

@@stediasse Thanks for the feedback! ICE stands for insulated composite envelope.

[@ScoutyBoyO]

If wood is so bad, why do I see wood trusses and floor decking? How do you modify the ICE panel? All means and methods will require some modification.

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

ICE Panels are prefabricated in our manufacturing plant, so no onsite modifications are needed. Feel free to call 204-726-1426 with any other questions. Thanks!

[@ScoutyBoyO]

@@GreenstoneBuildingProducts I don't believe you addressed my comment or question. Why use wood trusses? Heat rises.

[@DaveIngle1]

Always like to hear about new technology but don't like it when it comes with biased information about the competition. This seemed more like watching a USA political ad. Sorry.

[@andreycham4797]

There is nothing new here . ICE panels have been on the market since 1970 and now they will prevail anything on a market due to labor shortage

[@ttizm]

This technology is not a NEW one. In Russia for example, there is a plant that makes this structural insulated panels. It started in 1993 and since then there were thousands of buildings been made using this panels.

[@koryleach9660]

Just a moment here. You still need to sheath the house with ICE panels and that is going to be a lumber product like OSB with a WRB over it then siding. Not giving the ICE panel hate over SIP, but you're being a bit disingenuous about your prioritizing of one over the other. Also if the frame is not stick built I.E. Timber framed then SIPS takes any thermal drift out of the equation.

[@MrBrussell17]

OSB sheathing is only required with ICE Panels when the engineer deems it necessary due to structural requirements. In most cases, sheathing is not needed. Also, ICE Panels are thermally broken, so there will be no thermal drift with an ICE Panel envelope.

[@koryleach9660]

@@MrBrussell17 I've been researching this. Does your product meet residential code in Minnesota for wind? That was my concern. Yes, the ICE panel was going to be good for thermal drift. I was giving an example of how SIPs can be used to also take thermal drift out of the equation. I'd still have concerns about creatures like insects getting past the WRB and easily being able to penetrate the foam whereas a SIPS with a factory applied WRB such as Huber ZIP can be taped/ flashed and made air/ water tight as well then have the foam behind in addition for a secondary level of protection. That isn't to say your system isn't also a fantastic product. I'm just asking about other things that I cannot find information about online.

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

@@koryleach9660 These are great questions. We have yet to complete a project in Minnesota, so we are unsure of how ICE Panels align with building codes specific to that area. Here is a direct link to our QAI listing which covers all the testing data: qai.org/directory/greenstone-building-products-ltd/.

[@CyberPandaOfficial]

@@GreenstoneBuildingProducts I imagine you would have to get shop drawings made and approved by your engineers for these panels before they're fabricated right? Even then, I remember from being in the field the MEP engineers and fire marshalls love to be able to walk around and see all the piping insulation in the exterior walls, electrical box placement, fire caulking, etc. BEFORE we could cover up with our insulation.

[@alexanderwlad6689]

Steel resist moisture…? Hein…

[@DanLiese]

Is this the same panels that Thermasteel is promoting?

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

Hey there! No, these are ICE Panels produced in Brandon, MB. Thermasteel is a similar product to ours but produced in the US.

[@mikegrok]

In my view as a property owner in a neighborhood with frequent gun violence, is that ICFs are bulletproof and SIPs are not. I may use SIPs for the roof though.

[@andreycham4797]

Who the f.. wants to build houses in that area?

[@mikegrok]

@@andreycham4797 So far it only happens at night. With a bulletproof house it becomes less of a concern.

[@tedbrown7908]

Steel joints run much colder than wood joints. That's a fact so, she lied about that aspect of ICE panels.

[@MrBrussell17]

ICE Panels are thermally broken because the steel studs don’t penetrate through the wall stopping the cold temperature from entering the building through the envelope.

[@GordHarvey]

Why don't you have video's on installing the ICE panels showing how easy it is, all you video's are only about how great your product is.

[@GreenstoneBuildingProducts]

Thanks for the feedback! Have you checked out our Build It With Greenstone playlist? It includes videos demonstrating how to build with ICE Panels. We also have testimonials of builders speaking about the benefits of ICE Panels. Here are a few videos that will answer some common questions: How To Install Electrical - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIuwhJmFd76ebac Builder Testimonial: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4TFY5yJetWUlc0si=bRsbC7_qKBL8hCua Build It With Greenstone Playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLKq_5LV-AddWIwDWC9dMjPB9JpaHFEHIO Testimonial Playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLKq_5LV-AddWOKSc958Tndc5Cm-_KAb6R

[@markwilliamson5796]

Watched for a bit. This was news to me that moisture affects wood and not steel. I did not know that, I had naively thought that steel needed some form of treatment to stop it rusting. I was going to talk about the other weirdness in this far from fair comparison. My best advice, go somewhere else the information here is of such poor quality that you would be better off.