Breaking Down a Bad Hero call? ($4600 Pot)

[@supersmoo7377]

Caller says this particular villain makes "weird" moves against him like raise the flop with middle-pair ace-kicker, and raise with a backdoor flush draw... meanwhile, depending on the flop, position, and situation; these are solver-approved moves! Perhaps this villain is better than caller thinks he is.

[@Piglover1221]

Bart reading the comments !! Thanks for putting the promo shoutout in the beginning shows that you rlly care abt the community and pay attention to healthy critics !!

[@mkader2494]

So impressive, Bart.

[@charlesnewborn3760]

The fact that it took comments for him to realize how stupid it was to put the fucking promo after the initial part of a call-in is absolutely batshit insane. Thankfully he fixed it now

[@TheGuyCalledX]

​@@charlesnewborn3760It ain't that serious fam

[@mtgoxsucks435]

Thanks Bart!!

[@mrhumble2937]

​@charlesnewborn3760 or he did it where the most people would listen which was the smartest spot to do it.

[@michaelsparks1571]

I think with Villain's line vs our action, and obviously with the benefit of hindsight, it feels like his most likely holding is some mix of big diamonds, KQ KJ QJ. With an out of position aggressor, he can just call our bets with a bigger draw or some AX, and once he bricks out but we check on this board, he really does have a great spot for a bluff. The "head shake, muck" also eliminates a lot of AX hands since I would think SOME of those expect to possibly be good SOMETIMES and would still showdown. Aside from K/Q/J9d or 99, I don't expect he's got a lot of 9's too often that are following this action. Most of the non-diamond-9X combos are gonna fold out either pre or on the flop. When he "calls pretty quickly" on the turn, I'd expect these open-ended combo draws to maybe think for some amount of time about a raise/jam, but just something like KQd with just a gutshot for straight may flat. I could also see something double-gutted WITHOUT either flush like QJs calling quickly since they don't really have a hard river decision.

[@kaceydillin7367]

Whoever complained, are you happy now about Mr Bart doing the promo in a less harsh way? On a more positive note, Mr. Bart I really enjoyed your commentary on last weeks HCL. Would be a pleasure to have you out here at The Lodge. Thanks for the content. I always feel like I learn something from these episodes. Appreciate you. ❤️

[@vincentaguirre1691]

Loved the ad at the beginning. Loved hero's honest perspective. Love the channel.

[@dwaynerex7385]

Hero doesn't have any clubs or Diamonds. Scary 4 card board even with the turned set. Glad he won. Not sure I could've made that call.

[@thomastomasello2705]

The awesome double flat preflop has the villains hand pretty face up as a middling hand and not a premium. Alot of J10 kinda hands n small pairs. On flop, bet 1/4 to 1/3 for cheap info and get small pairs to fold. If you are raised on flop its a fold, but if you're just called, villains range is 1 pair max. On turn blanks, you can fire 1.5x pot or so and everything that didn't improve from flop to turn should fold. If you bet 1/2 pot to pot on turn, alot of mediocre hands still call. This can be more profitable if river is another blank and you fire big on river. TID on turn

[@chasebethersonton5169]

Great caller, great analysis by both of you, great video!

[@HighStakesPokerReplays]

Fantastic Video! Keep up the content!

[@daithi1966]

I'm at the point in the video where the 6c river card was shown. I don't know what the villain's hand is. I just know he called a 3-Bet preflop and hasn't been aggressive, so he probably doesn't have premium hole cards. He could have a lot of made hands here and he could have a lot bluffs here as well. I'd check call this river ten out ten times, but I'm not liking it. Now I'm going to click play and see what happened.

[@pot_kivach160]

you should go pro!

[@TomRauhe]

Turn is an overbet because the board looks so draw heavy that he might come across as bluffy. Nobody can have anything here except sets and J9

[@Gos1234567]

Yes with these horrible draw heavy turns I prefer either shoving or betting small and decide on river. Betting pot won’t fold draws and will only fold Ax and we are left with a horrible SPR on river when a bad cards falls

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

7:48 people saying c-bet range in the live chat… Is any flop ever a full range C-bet when out of position? In position sure.

[@juhiss912]

I think hero played ok. Pre flop you can mix in some 3bets, I would call but it's not bad to go for an aggressive raise. Flop I would check though, because of a fishy opponents range hits better. If he bets large I might even fold but I will call a small sizing I think. I don't know if that's inaccurate. Turn was good. Good bet. Checking river is the right play, when he jams I don't think we can call. He has a lot of junk here. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't raise with a straight on the turn. I think it's close though but realistically he doesn't value bet Ax two pair holdings even though he is a fish. I might be wrong though. Makes sense to fold to me because he's draw heavy with this line and a lot of things get there.

[@JMTavares7]

Haven't seen end yet but quick call on turn always means improved draw on turn, it's either Ax of Clubs or Diamonds with a 9. FOOOOOOLLLLLLD :)

[@JMTavares7]

or not... lol

[@JMTavares7]

musta been QJ or KJdd, only other hands with added out on the turn ;)

[@wesch6354]

I was setting in my massage chair listening to this the whole time thinking villain has KdXd probably KQ or KJ. And after the reveal I'd bet $1000 that's what villain had. I have so many fishy players like this in my room. They don't 3 bet pre with a lot of hands that should. Then when they hit a big draw, they just call until it lands. I bet heavy vs these guys and just fold when the main draw hits. Since this villain called the flop bet I'd say clubs are in his hand a lot less often. Yeah if he has KQc he might call a small flop bet then always continue on the turn for such a huge size. But I think it's less often.

[@DavidKrakt]

First thing I thought with the preflop action is that Villain had AJ preflop. But when he instantly shook his head in defeat on the river maybe he had JQ or QK of diamonds?

[@Gos1234567]

Yea one of those,doubt he was turning A-x into a bet,may have folded a few of those on turn. I actually think this was a fold,too much value hands compared to only a few bluffs there

[@Gos1234567]

I think turn is better to either rip or bet small,this pot size bet leaves you with awkward pot size for river and you won’t get draws folding Bet small can induce a wild shove bluff from v and it can gove ya room to bet small /fold on river if horrible card comes

[@onthebeach8211]

great video as always Bart

[@wesleykorisky8600]

At the time of this comment I'm at 14:23 and I think villain very likely has T9cc or 9d9c in this spot due to how their pre flop actions went.

[@losyart]

Just check/fold . In poker u dont need to win every single hand . U need to multibarrel if u cbeing his board otherwise its mostly burning money cbet.

[@pokerboi27]

why is 10 9 clubs is a pretty good hand the villain can have? continue on the flop, call when the straight flush draw comes and making it on river? I am writing this comment before seeing the end just need thoughts

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Havent seen river yet. Id put v on broadway diamonds..eg kj kq jq of diamonds. So with brick river ..id check and let him bluff. Tough spot indeed. Spose i sigh fold.. note i lean towarss omc style

[@wesleykorisky8600]

Oh my wow. What a result holy.

[@mikey22355]

Would have liked to see a reveal on this one. I’m guessing it was just a missed diamond draw without the A if he didn’t even showdown. Hard to learn a lesson about hand reading if you don’t know if you’re right or not though

[@DallasDelRio]

Bart you put the emphasis in the word “during” in the wrong spot. “DURing” not “durING”

[@danweaver5787]

Bart do you take online cash hands or only live?

[@dwaynerex7385]

I have never seen him cover online hands and probably will not because players see WAY more hands per hour.

[@nicholi2789]

The name of his site is Crush Live Poker. You do the math. Lol

[@patrick_kyker]

Isn't the rake 5+2 now?

[@JQpoker]

On the flop, betting 1/3 in position with range is fine but oop we don’t get a lot of (if any) range bets

[@TomRauhe]

This is at least a 60% bet on the flop. You really want everything but an A or 10 out.

[@gabevlogs3148]

Fishy K8dd K7dd? If he’s willing to bluff off he’s probably the type to double flat mediocre junk. Just a thought

[@JKenny44]

I think it's a simple call against the vast majority of opponents.

[@dosenbrotimtetrapac]

Id Check the Flop and fold any raise thats why i Play 0,25/0,5 online and lose but i cashed out 200 yesterday First time and i put in Like 400 so Not too Bad 😂😂 im the best ! But when i Hit the set wooohoo… I Check Call allllll the waaayyy😂 Cause im Trapping ofc And then i get This runout and then i make a crying Call (one last timmeee!) and i lose all my Money its Crazy How unlucky i am its Not cause i Play Bad cause as i Said im the best Oh and Ofc i flat 7s ANYTIME

[@leviwhatever6192]

Great . Free tickets for a site that will not let me validate my email. And support has given me ZERO assistance. Wonderful

[@hanssolo3211]

me wont passport, bwart!

[@EllieBanks333]

Is there an MDF consideration here? I thought both caller & Bart discussed pretty thoroughly why we don't think villain has TT or 88. If we are not worried about those hands, the hero has the equivalent of AA on river. Perhaps the AA with a club is better because it blocks villain from having AXcc. But would AA no club really be a "hero call" here?

[@Mr.Muckington]

How could villain have more sets on flop if you 3 betting 7s plus 😂 this caller is getting way to much into solver land and forgetting we humans are simply mfers

[@Badbentham]

Villain was characterized as loose-passive; so he could have about the same amount of TT/88 as we do. (We may sometimes flat from the SB with 77-TT as well) - However, a typical double-flat range is often fairly condensed (medium pockets , suited broadways) , while we additionally have a wide variety of Ax and (smaller) SCs, if that makes sense. 😉

[@TheGuyCalledX]

Easy. The double flatter should have a narrower, condensed range compared to the 3-bettor. So even if they have the same number of combos of sets, they will make up a larger portion of villain's range

[@Mr.Muckington]

@@TheGuyCalledX again with the gto land range. Dude double flatty preflop.... his range prolly has more suited connectors then pairs. His range ain't more concentrated towards sets because he trash and you keep putting him as a gto thinking player 🤔 so no you still wrong and your range has more sets. But do whatever you want. Poker is great because everyone thinks they the best amd running bad lol.

[@TheGuyCalledX]

@@Mr.Muckington you don't think fish are flatting TT/88 here? That's like the number one type of hand that they don't know what to do with so just call. It's exactly what a passive fish would do.

[@Mr.Muckington]

@@TheGuyCalledX nope 50 percent fish think 10 10 the nuts. Now suited connectors they the real ones getting flat called in all positions. Honestly how the fuck would you know more then a fish like me. You don't. I'm right.

[@EricA-xd9fn]

Here's a classic case of the "theorists" diving so deep they lose sight of common sense. Yes, hitting a lower set on the Turn feels so, so good. But look at all the cards that destroy you on the River. Hero betting Pot on Turn was a little greedy (and almost transparent)

[@joewhite9475]

it really dosent matter if he appears to be transparent. nobody is putting you on a turned set on the turn. also it's 2-3 so getting value from flush draws on the turn and giving them a bad price is the move in my opinion

[@TheGuyCalledX]

A set of 7s is transparent on a double flush draw board? Hardly.

[@DavidKrakt]

How is this common sense fold? The preflop double flat my first reaction is villain had AJ. And then the way the hand played out. It seems more like a diamond flush draw. I think the caller had a history with villain and that is what ultimately made him lean to a call.

[@MCFoultier]

Well... Perfect spot to flat pre, great odds, good hand multiway with a high spr. With 77, you block the weak hands like 75,76,78,79 which fold to 3bets, but you unblock all Ax and suited broadway cards which may flat or even 4bet. So strongly dislike 3bet. On the flop, just c/fold.

[@TheGuyCalledX]

I'm flatting pre as well. As played, I'm definitely c-betting an A-high board.

[@MCFoultier]

@@TheGuyCalledX if you range bet here, eg for quarter/3rd pot, you get called very often. And how do you play turns then?

[@TheGuyCalledX]

@@MCFoultier I'm checking turn a lot trying to get to showdown. Might barrel on some non-diamond bricks, K/Q.

[@Mr.Muckington]

So villain makes light flop raises yet hero assumes he check called flop and turn with a royal draw 😂

[@michaelsparks1571]

Not sure what hand you're referencing, but literally none of that happened in this one.

[@Mr.Muckington]

@@michaelsparks1571 answer the door boy.... knock knock

[@nicholi2789]

@@michaelsparks1571When him and Bart were going through the turn and river action he mentioned that this villain has made fear strange light flop raises against him in the past. That’s what OP is referencing.

[@Gos1234567]

He said he raises light sometimes not all the time.

[@Mr.Muckington]

@@Gos1234567 a royal draw ain't light. So my point remains correct

[@pokersensei1245]

Fancy Play Syndrome vibes from this caller

[@JeffreyHaefner]

I don’t ever see villain having 9x, ever. There’s no hand that’s flatting pre than double flatting pre and flatting flop that contains a 9, except one specific combo, and that’s 8d9d. The snap call on the turn shows clearly it’s NOT a one pair hand like AK/AQ. It’s either a flush draw or a scared set of 888 or 101010.

[@zachhopkins6162]

9Js, Q9s, K9s, 89s, A9s spades. Diamonds are raising a lot.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Hero only bet 1/3 size on the flop. He’s shown preflop that he likes to call so he’s not probably folding any pairs for that size in position. T9s, 98s, 99 all seem plausible to me. Not to mention A9s.

[@JeffreyHaefner]

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj completely disagree

[@JeffreyHaefner]

@@zachhopkins6162 completely disagree. K9? R we serious? I stick to my previous comment, he has zero 9s

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

@@JeffreyHaefnerwell you’re free to. Bart lists several 9x hands he thinks he could have so you seem to be in a minority.