Breaking down the wage increases in the UPS agreement

What does the UPS tentative agreement mean for different kinds of workers, and who is getting the most growth in wages? WDRB.com business reporter Chris Otts breaks down four examples of how UPSers' pay will change and compares the growth rates for each.
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[@joeschmoe4698]

Let's not forget all the part-timers with 5 - 14 years of experience getting the short end of the stick.

[@DrNurse2]

Exactly. I have 7 years in.

[@joeschmoe4698]

@@DrNurse2 Ouch. So depending on what you make, the $2.75 raise will be applied for you to reach $21, after that whatever remains plus .50 cents from my understanding. Hardly any gains for your time compared to new hires, this is a huge problem with this contract imo.

[@halkon4412]

I'm sorry but if you work part-time for 14 years and refuse to make progress in your life, that's on you tbh

[@joeschmoe4698]

@@halkon4412 "if you", no I'm not, but even if I was, it still doesn't change my point. Progress is what you make of it, clearly you're no Elon Musk, so you're hardly a shining example of progress.

[@corywalker8188]

Yeah let’s berate people for holding down a job for long periods of time. How dare you go to work year after year! Gimme a fucking break about it being part time. Valuable people need to be rewarded regardless.

[@Brandon-ou4wc]

Not good enough , I am working 10 to 12 hours 5 days a week for the entire year and still on the struggle bus, no kids never married , I'm just trying to support myself and I'm paying 30% to 50% more for everything in the last few years and these big shots at Ups are making millions some are making more than 10 million a year and I guarantee you they never sweat or freeze when they work. They aren't breaking their back and being harassed every week. They can do better for the workers. This few dollars more is a slap in the face. Ups needs to pay up or lower their high and mighty work standards.

[@1970SBenny]

Sorry to hear about your struggles. I feel blessed to be making $42.33 per hour currently. I welcome the OT. I never went to college, have a high school education and made over $150k last year. I live in high priced Los Angeles. Family of 3, plus two large dogs, 3 cats, and 3 turtles. Two homes both paid off, plus a ten unit apartment. We struggled when we were younger. I do have to say we had two incomes when we first started out. Once my wife had our son we agreed she should become a stay at home mom. That being said we made it happen. I've been with company for 34 years and I have perhaps another 9 years to go before I would consider retirement. Son need to go to college and build his career path. He says he want to be a doctor, he's 13 right now. If that is the path he takes good for him, his choice to make. We all make our choices of what we want to do in life. Feel blessed you're not living on the streets and have a decent paying job with no real education or skills.

[@SKYF0XX3000]

You might wanna take a look into your finances.. on average I can put away $3k in savings a month. And that’s with a family and a mortgage.. I don’t mean this in a bad way but maybe you’re outspending your wage.

[@lyssanch3096]

​@@SKYF0XX3000but muh uber eats and muh streaming services and Amazon shopping and new iphone

[@JP-te7kd]

@@1970SBenny Actually being from california, that wage doesn't go very far there. We moved to the south and make more than that. california doesn't have good jobs anymore.

[@1970SBenny]

@JP-te7kd I get it that for some it doesn't go very far, for other its plenty and we can actually thrive.

[@grayfox3217]

If they're increasing the minimum to $21 that's the base and should NOT be considered a raise.

[@delapaloma6934]

Bruh the old contract said we been had to be at 20 and we stayed at 15 my shirt is drenched in sweat every day

[@Alex-bn9xx]

When we read it if it say the raises are somehow not guaranteed for everyone we voting no everyone need the money

[@Alex-bn9xx]

And if you get hired in the middle of a contract you have to wait for the new contract to get the raises

[@delapaloma6934]

@@Alex-bn9xx yeah it’s bs i feel like we work harder than than the drivers but then again I never drove so idk have to wait 5 years just to drive what it seems like

[@benjaminherrera6537]

I had to wait 9 years to go driving. I started at $8. I had to work my way up.

[@CyborgZeta]

Thank you for the explanation.

[@EternalRivals]

thanks for the breakdown

[@krush1202]

What is the average wage increase of the majority across the workforce throughout the country?

[@andrewcee4663]

I'm 16 years in part time and I get paid less than that.

[@chrisotts4302]

NEW VIDEO: What about the MRAs?? I got a lot of questions about what this all means for people making $20+ under an MRA. Here's the explainer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIKVeoCtj9Ksjrs

[@kellysmith380]

It would be highly advisable to really educate before voting on this contract. The 2.75 seems really good at 1st but as time goes on I personally am having second thoughts.

[@801bear5]

What happened to 25 or strike. Y’all were quick to drop that. I’m voting no

[@Alex-bn9xx]

You have a right to note no if you don't agree

[@CAC6363]

We got $25.75 by contracts end… nobody said $25 up front, many ppl don’t understand a lot of what actually occurs..

[@3ou1man]

Did you see all the other wins in the contract? And I’ll be making almost 30 bucks an hour by end of contract as a part timer. The pension got increased, everyone got pay raises, the 22.4 is gone, ac promised to be put in new vehicle’s, thousands of new full time jobs created… how strong of a contract were you expecting? 30 billion dollars of extra promised pay and other benefits to us is no joke. This is arguably a better contract than we had in 97. I wasn’t at ups then but you can still read the old contracts online. This is a fair deal imo.

[@Alex-bn9xx]

@@CAC6363 right I will be over 5 years by then so I should be able to get an extra 50c hopefully no big deal if not still looks good

[@joeyconto2163]

I’m voting no! This contract sucks for part timers! These numbers are inaccurate and don’t represent all parts of the country!!

[@4Fam]

Part timers with 15 years plus are getting done bad. There giving new hires with the least experience the biggest bang. Stupid contract.

[@Alex-bn9xx]

Every vote count you have a right to your opinion

[@RelentlesRecoil]

so are people like me with 12 years

[@Alex-bn9xx]

@@RelentlesRecoil majority vote gets it and we stand on that

[@4Fam]

@@RelentlesRecoil Exactly just think a 18yo high school kid with 0 experience can come rite in and start making $2-3 less than you, and you’ve been there for 12 years. Horrible contract.

[@ObjectivelyBias]

Is it a cost of living difference or pay the same in every state?

[@notthisguyagain8557]

What about option days?

[@BarkorBite]

The biggest problem at Ups is keeping skilled part-time workers, so even though I don't agree with everything in the company as a long-term part-timer, I recognize that heavy investments need to start at the bottom I wish the contract could of gotten me 8 or 9 bucks more an hour over the next 5 years but now that I work with small packages I have to consider that most people work with the bigger packages and help is needed in the summer especially from younger more able bodied worker's

[@glennjohnson6081]

Amen to this I work in a center in Vegas, and work sunrise sort... we load Amazon returns in Bulk trailers..... it's 115+ this week.... and we are SEVERLY understaffed. Yeah this is helpful.

[@billyp.193]

I'm not upset about the raises. I'm upset that the progression to top rate wasn't dealt with. In Louisville, you're looking to at least 18 years to get full time. By that time you're over progression rate, so you're basically at a freeze for 4 years. So you are looking at close to 25 years to get top pay.

[@alejanboom4520]

Thank you brother!!! For a second I thought I was the only one.. I shouldn’t have to wait four more years to get the new top rate.. every top pay driver shouldn’t have to wait the same amount of time as a 22/4 to get 49

[@noobtopcgaming3593]

the progression going be 2 not 4

[@noobtopcgaming3593]

that in PA

[@billyp.193]

Louisville

[@billyp.193]

It's 4 yrs. Covered in national, and they didn't change it. Only raised progression rate, which does nothing for us here because it takes too long to get FT that you're already at rate. So you're stuck.

[@scottmoore2628]

I do not work for ups, but i work out of local 439 in Central California for Martin Brower ( McDonald's). This is just a comparison of what is out there. I'm a class A of over 40 yrs 30 of that at Martin Brower and i make $ 30.80 hr and new hires make the same hourly as i do. We have no medical when we retire and we are time & half after 8 only no double time for weekends. They do pay all are monthly medical at around $2100 a month and our pension is around $7 dollars an hour and only the first 40 hours even though i push my dot hrs to 70 hrs every wk. I hope you get everything out of them you can , but as the song goes thank God for unanswered prayers.

[@user-ct3jp7ph3w]

I been 22.4 around 2 years I would like to know after august what rate I will get?

[@co-null5599]

You won't be a 22.4 anymore, it's eliminated

[@user-ct3jp7ph3w]

I know what I mean is the pay rate to RCPD

[@frankgarcia6035]

@@user-ct3jp7ph3w I'm in the same boat, but from what I've been seeing, should be anywhere from $27-$29 i believe. Not sure if that $2.75 raise will be added in the progression or not, would be dumb if it was.

[@user-ct3jp7ph3w]

I’m at $30.38 which mean I won’t get raise correct

[@frankgarcia6035]

@@user-ct3jp7ph3w how are you at $30.38 while being a 22.4 of 2 years? I'm only making 21.25...

[@geeside362]

I’m a 22.4, going to be 3 years in on September ,, can anybody tell me what wage I should be expecting come august 1 the contract should get approved ?

[@robertoguerra8664]

You will become full time making 49 hr

[@philj745]

Generally the RPCD wage progression follows 60% of top scale when you reach your 2 year seniority and then 70% when you hit the 3 year mark. Far better than the 22.4 progression. Don't know the actual dollar number for your scenario at the moment.. They discuss the new contract progression and it gets kinda rounded off they like the .25 or .50 endings as opposed to the actual top pay which can read like 41.79 etc

[@801bear5]

You’ll be making too much money

[@agaad22]

You’ll be making $25.50 which is BS. A brand new driver is going to be making $23

[@richduval6937]

Yeah bro we’re getting 25 which isn’t that good.. basically received 1$ raise. Idk what the general wage increase does

[@victorrussell49]

Can you compare the annual growth rate to the cost of living increase of the last five years?

[@toadis6949]

Mra adjustment employee will lose $2 an hour. Part time employees with over 5years only get $1.50 in raises vs $2.75 for new hires. This contract opens the door to a 7 day work week in the Tentative Agreement. Pention contribution only goes up $10 per year. Doesn't fix the constant overtime problems or even having recap tires on the front of package cars. All wage increases offered is a hand out to the company making out on inflation increases that the put on the customer as shipping surcharges. It you take this offer and add $2-$3 across the board it puts us back to pre COVID. If this goes through we will be back at square 1 in 5 years down the road having a hard time getting part timers to run the shift. Ups has the money and capital to Pay a fair wage. Maybe the company should offer the part time employees the option to take health insurance as most of em are still on there parents insurance... Raise the $.... Definitely a NO vote from me

[@Novusod]

Bottom line here is the union caved and came back with a crap deal. Those raises don't keep up with the cost of inflation.

[@RosettaRedfeather]

I read that part timers on an MRA will get to keep it and they’ll still get the wage increases. That’s in the tentative agreement.

[@toadis6949]

@@RosettaRedfeather if it's not in the contract it's not guaranteed. I wouldn't hold my breath on it

[@troyc5623]

Full time drivers got shafted in this contract

[@devil2jz500]

Yea we did. That’s why we are all voting NO 👎

[@ryanlorber9836]

@@devil2jz500 Im a driver and im still trying to make sense of everything. Can you elaborate?

[@devil2jz500]

@@ryanlorber9836 the raise they are offering is LESS than the inflation rate. Those “$49” an hour won’t kick in until 2027/2028. By that time inflation will make $49/hr look like $30/hr. People making $21/hr will be at the same spot as $15/hr gets you right now. Those raises are about 5%, inflation is at 6%. Pretty much they are giving you less money than a cost of living adjustment. Vote NO!

[@DonCheto323]

I’m a driver and I’m voting yes… in CALIFORNIA where it’s expensive to live..

[@jayflo588]

They already had a good one to begin with

[@giovannifanizza9292]

This contract doesn’t focus on the guys who worked in the building for years. Talking about 10-9 years to get full time,work thru natural disasters,pandemic,countless heatwaves,work nights and overnights sometimes 3 shifts to get the job done. They’re sacrificing their health to get the job done. We all know working overnights derail your health a bit as study's show. We are so far off to what I would like to be at top rate being inside. We work really hard 8-12 hour days to get those packages to the drivers. I believe those guys deserve credit in this negotiations and possibly more. I wish it was considered.

[@Novusod]

3.4% annualized raises? That is lolol1111 The union caved and then pretended to a call it a victory for workers. That is a pay cut considering it does not even keep up with the inflation.

[@KCobra396]

I have been working at ups (CACH)for a year now making 22.00 and now you add an extra 2.75 so by the start of this agreement I’ll be making 24.75 ( can’t complain). I wonder why they didn’t add the hazard pay from when Covid was at its worse.

[@FreakFuelTV]

Not giving you the 2.75. it is being used to get existing workers up to 21, as explained in the video.

[@KCobra396]

@@FreakFuelTV I don’t think so you’re wrong this is a quote/details that I have found “union said that existing full- and part-time UPS Teamsters will get $2.75 more per hour in 2023” so idk know what the hell are you talking about. That 2.75 applies to everyone including people like me making $22.00 an hour.

[@FreakFuelTV]

If you're right, I would gain. I gain nothing from lying. Just how it's been explained to me. But I'm sure you're right.

[@AB-xh4vr]

I'm at 21 been at ups 6 months and guys hired before me are making 26.50

[@alstang]

The people who benefited the most was new hires, we were so focused on them that we forgot about the part timers who were here during the pandemic. Eliminating the 22.4 was good but if you didn't like that job not sure why employees were applying to them. They should have just put a stipulation were if you drive you get the pay rate only when you drive. Then you have the A/C issue, there is no way you'll be able too cool that oven. What should have been done for part timers was raise all of them to 21 an hour than give them maybe a dollar raise for every 3 years, so if you were here for 9 years you would be at 24

[@ummwhat6738]

yeah i started in 08 and ive been making the same rate as new hires for over 4 years. now i get to do it again another year, basicly last contract gave no progression to people who stuck with the job even through covid. by the end of the contract ill be making 25.75, but what will that be worth with inflation. im sure drivers are happy but its junk for the part timers, they are trying i guess. but why not move me up now make me wait 4 more years.

[@robertsmith20022]

9 years for 24 😂😂😂 that's trash lmao.

[@AB-xh4vr]

People who worked thru the pandemic are making the most as package handlers,they were at 24 a hour now at 26 and getting a 2.50 raise in August I hear.im at 21 a hour benn 7 months ups cach

[@RicardoRodriguez-sy3qg]

I’m a part-timer almost a year now , does that mean, I’ll get a boost to $21 +2.75 in which It will put me in $23.75? Or Am I wrong

[@rodrigovargas5075]

That's exactly what I was thinking!

[@garrettlambert3357]

Exactly man I been working at UPS for 4 years, and I'm wondering if I will be making $22.50 or $21, and also, do we get that 7.50 raise in the warehouse or is it just for drivers.

[@RelentlesRecoil]

unfortunately not. Exactly what he said is what you will get. In Louisville we are under MRA. They are getting rid of that and just making your actually pay $21 so you technically get no raise. VOTE NO!

[@darrenb2841]

You will get $21 an hour. That 2.75 is the increase from the wage you are making now.

[@stevenrichardson1602]

🤔 so 21? Or 2.75 plus current wage? I’m confused

[@TheTwerkingDead]

I applied for city driver recently. I was asked in the interview what I feel my pay should be at and answered with im open to discuss what you feel is right. They were surprised I said that and I suppose since I didn't throw some number at them, I got a email a week later saying they passed from me. I don't get it, sounded good, good interview but it feels like as soon as I mentioned the pay thing its almost like they got scared. Maybe because they already knew it wasn't going to be anything worth saying yes too.

[@FleuerDiLis]

Sorry to hear that!

[@kalaban9980]

You completely skipped over Full-timer that work in building, I'm an in building Full-timer and I was hoping to see a breakdown of what we would get over 5 years.

[@devil2jz500]

I’m voting NO! That’s not a raise, that’s a cost of living adjustment.

[@DonJulio909]

Exactly ‼️‼️‼️

[@billydee1879]

You need to show the progression and 22.4.

[@joeschmoe4698]

Who the heck gets paid $26.89 after 15 years? From what I learned they make about $23. So that puts them at $32 after 5 years not $35.89! LOL

[@bmoney2392]

I'm at 15 yrs and only at 23.97. been wondering the same how they got those numbers

[@MRosati5000]

@@bmoney2392 Yes. I work in New Jersey. Different market's pay different wages.

[@krapeevids6992]

$49 an hour for delivering a bunch of boxes …wow. People like myself, who are skilled laborers make less than that .

[@Mark-oy1wv]

It’s a very physically demanding job, both loading and being a driver. Lots of drivers need knee or hip replacements at the end of their careers. Also whether it’s 100 degrees or -5, notice who still has to work in it 10 hours per day. The job is nowhere as easy as you make it sound

[@manny_fresh9266]

So is there going to be a strike or not?

[@waderoberts3701]

They have to vote first.

[@ToyotaGuy1971]

YES! Worker-solidarity! No more wage-slavery, no more ups blackmailing employees into working overtime; a clear violation of employee rights. Were taking our 40 hour work week back! One corporation at a time, we'll take our country and democracy back with collective, bargaining- power. MARCH ON UNION MOVEMENT! GLORY TO GOD!

[@86joncooper]

Is it a 2 year pay progression? 224 drivers should make at least 35-44 an hour

[@KaiBiz]

No they left progression the same. Progression drivers got crapped on this contract.

[@therev2100]

22.4 has been eliminated, and all 22.4 are being moved to full-time package car drivers, if I'm not mistaken.

[@FullDrawOutdoors]

what are you talking about, there is no more 22.4 drivers. All drivers are full time drivers as soon as its voted yes on

[@86joncooper]

@@FullDrawOutdoors ya but how much will the 224 drivers becoming full time drivers make august 1? It should be way more than 27.14 or even 30$ any current 224 should make a more livable wage with a faster pay progression to max pay

[@oldmanmag9905]

@@86joncooper depending on the year in progression they are 23, 24, 25, 30.75, top rate. Vs last contract 21, 23, 24, 28.75, top rate. So yes thats right after 2 years of working you will now make 2$ more than new drivers this new contract vs 3$ last contract lovely!. I'm 2 years in this oct so i'll be at 25! yay! what a pointless raise. Progression drivers got left behind voting no.

[@SHANKDAWGBABY]

Am i tripping or did us full time ramp workers get left out?

[@cjd7730]

No we have been making 21 a hour for the past 2 years and for the third contract ile be at new hire pay and am not getting any raise so I’m voting no

[@robertoguerra8664]

I've been making 16.65 for 2 years if you want more than drive imagen making 25 right off the bat no point of driving

[@NoPrivateProperty]

nobody deserves to be rich until everyone's needs are met. workers of the world Unite!

[@The_king567]

You’re a communist you’re opinion is irrelevant

[@OfficialSlaughterHouse]

I wonder if they will try to fire you after working your way up the pay ladder

[@sickside_joker7718]

What about for new drivers

[@user-dd1bb4tw4r]

You'll be poor af for 4 years. Package car goes $23, $24, $25, $29, Top Rate Feeders go $23, $24, $25, $30.75, Top Rate

[@ddwgdv1]

Can you run those numbers again with only moving up 1 dollar? No one at worldport was at 16.50. Everyone at worldport was at least at 20 with the mra. So those under 5 years aren't getting as great of a deal as it appears

[@ekdee8524]

Do people in the UPS store get a raise to

[@bad84c10]

Also im not getting paid the 26 an hour like it says on the paper an im past 15 yrs....so what they are showing is a lie

[@alejanboom4520]

every top pay driver shouldn’t have to wait the same amount of time as a 22/4 to get 49

[@user-zm6pz2qv6d]

Yup cause some of these 22.4 are blessed they became drivers in months when it took years for others don’t see why they complain due the 4years and put in the work

[@alejanboom4520]

@@user-zm6pz2qv6d facts

[@bountyhunterl.a3262]

​@@user-zm6pz2qv6dso what you think the 22.4 are just out there poking their noses we are all blessed because we have a job second it not my fault you didnt take the 22.4 job when it was offered because again to become a driver it by seniority 3rd we do the same work as the rpcd and work long hours so dont make it seem like we didn't earn our spot

[@mas9417]

That's right! I thought it is automatically to get $49 for a top rate driver. Now we have to wait another 4 years.

[@user-zm6pz2qv6d]

@@bountyhunterl.a3262 I never got offered the 22.4 cause I started driving 8 years ago but took me 4 years to drive the point was it should be fair everyone should do 4 yrs then hit top pay. Some ppl were mad they want the progression to be 2 which defeats the purpose of putting in the work

[@Mark-oy1wv]

UPS made so much in profits during the Pandemic that all employees who’ve already gone through the years of wage progression should jump to max the hourly pay immediately for the duration of the new contract. And the deal they made for air conditioning is laughable. The way that’s set up, UPS can still avoid giving probably 95% of the drivers A/C even by the time the next contract rolls around. That part of the contract is a joke

[@ummwhat6738]

something should be done for the people who worked during the pandemic, literally no raises just starting wage increases, had to work hard labor wearing those masks, that guess what? did nothing because everyone got covid anyways.

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

A lot of participants fall under a irs construction audit catalog

[@EricSanAltarez]

I see… this is pretty much setting up the new generation of UPS workers. Will giving the senior employees somewhat a severance package. I started in 2022 and since I’ve started; I already received an $3.75 increase in my wages. 😮

[@Alex-bn9xx]

Saying it now audit the vote and or make it easly auditable

[@josephdooo3139]

The reason i left UPS is because they lied to me about my health insurance. They told me 3 months or 400 hours . I was past time. So I hit my 400 hours and 3 months and then they told me 900 hours . Well I got it was all a lie it was 9 months. Why couldn’t they just tell me the truth in the beginning. UPS can also change the time clock and short your paycheck! I had to fight every week to get paid correctly

[@gunplaygaming6830]

That was dumb ups has the best health care of you have a kid you don’t pay a dime . Why would you quit ??

[@AB-xh4vr]

Ups I was clocking in 20min before start time and was not getting paid for it so I don't start early anymore.you won't get paid it's already programmed to start time when we clock in early

[@user-lt5om6qu5g]

What if we already make $25?

[@mrolivares316]

I want a 💰 upfront 😎

[@reyesalain2271]

What happend to 5 to to 10 years ?????

[@chrisotts4302]

Sorry, but I left out two (5-10yrs, 10-15yrs) to get to under 5 min. For the example Teamsters put out for 5-10 years ($17.85 to $26.25), that's an 8% annual growth rate

[@garrettlambert3357]

​@chrisotts4302 Hey man, is this for just drivers, or is it everybody in the warehouse and drivers because I'm really confused.

[@kennethsullivan9217]

Yes exactly ❗🧐,,,,,, I would like to know that myself,,,,,,(being as though I have seven years in#7),,,,,,, where do we fall in that line (of pay 💵)⁉️🤔

[@reyesalain2271]

This contract is a joke ive been working for ups for 9 years and my longevity raise is a measly 50cents. Im voteing a HELLNO !!!

[@patriciaschuster1371]

And now UPS is cutting back drasticalky.

[@krush1202]

O’Brien said he got an “Historical” contract, if the rank and file don’t ratify. “They” abandoned their customers. The economic fallout would be devastating.

[@gls1967gs]

WRONG

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

Whenever they bid rigging its will show like they have on the voting poll's

[@user-lt5om6qu5g]

Are they decreasing our oay to fit us in their mold ?? I dont get it . I make 25 now ...and still im struggling !!

[@joeschmidt2295]

What about driver's that are in the middle of their progression? 2 years out of the 4 years.

[@emassey1997]

23, 24, 25, 30.75, top rate Add 2.75 and that’s your new rate

[@joeschmidt2295]

@@emassey1997 Sorry I forgot to mention, I'm a feeder driver.

[@MattAlmanza4786]

So if I hit my 30.75 aug 21st will I be at 33.5$? Or still 30.75?

[@kdvidz2882]

@@joeschmidt2295yes am also a feeder and am worried about that as well

[@joeschmidt2295]

@@kdvidz2882 How long have you been a feeder driver for? I started back in November 2021. There's nothing in this TA that talks about what's going to happen with us, and our pay or progression.

[@gls1967gs]

The contract is TRASH!!

[@mikeb3901]

This is a great contract. I’m surprised by a lot of the negative KZbin comments from UPSers , everyone in my facility is pumped

[@agaad22]

It’s a terrible contract for people in driver progression. We got screwed if you’ve completed less than 3 years of progression

[@mikeb3901]

@@agaad22damn I didn’t know that

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

Sometime u have to see yourself ship to get that right

[@ManuelHernandez-ko8sc]

This contract sucks they still didn't get rid of the subcontractors for feeders

[@Martell-XO]

UPS is a special contract.

[@Levelplaneproductions]

They fked up. Should have had part time package handling be turned to a full time position. Forget how hard it is and all that if it were 8 hour shifts we would be able to live and we weould have all that work shoved down our thoats if we had 8 hr shifts

[@AB-xh4vr]

It's ridiculous to get full time we have to work 20 years😂

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

Secondary packaging smh

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

When they ship wrong will show whenever they ship right will show

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

Certain funds are appropriate and certain funds are not

[@ummwhat6738]

Its not a raise for part timers, it is a general wage increase to 21., so this is gonna be 6 years now that peoples so called raises are really just starting wage increases.

[@ronaldwilliams4053]

In the steel industry we start at 23 guess I won’t be at ups

[@homerfry9234]

Thats great, , , now give the Postal Service back the flats tub thats over your left shoulder. Every one of those cost money.

[@johnstone3124]

Ya'll should have asked for technology restrictions. They keep building smart hubs, they don't need you.. granted, they'll pay someone 21$ to unload trailers. But, how many hours is that employee going to get every week. Is it enough to fulfill pension and health care minimums. I've seen all the games, on both sides....... all I'm saying is, look beyond today, this contract proposal, to your future. Is your health care covered? Are pension contributions satisfactory? Do you want to have to work when you "retire",, because the contributions weren't enough. Look at all the numbers

[@boblucas2751]

You guys complaining about no guys making what you make need to stop it’s how it works it big business I started at 8.50 an hour 35 yrs ago and had a kid and a wife and worked 2 other jobs and lived very modest life and still do I only have 3 yrs to go so my view is to vote for what the majority feels to help set up the future for the guys that follow up behind but remember you always have to leave something on the table for the next contact

[@TxDuallyNation]

Voting NO!!!

[@thakid861]

Quick question when and where can we vote

[@TxDuallyNation]

@@thakid861 I thought it's going to be on the teamsters app I just checked earlier you can reach the conflict completely in detail but they couldn't find an option to vote

[@garrettlambert3357]

​@TxDuallyNation I think we vote electronically around August 3rd to the 22nd

[@TxDuallyNation]

@@garrettlambert3357 ty👍

[@DonJulio909]

Im voting no and im letting everyone else to vote NO! This isnt a riase. This is bearly enough to catch up with the high inflation‼️‼️

[@darrenb2841]

vote NO on this contract....Not fair that I make $21.50 an hour and I have been there 6 years and the guy who starts tomorrow will make $21...

[@jacobguevara7947]

🎻🎻🎻

[@frankgarcia6035]

then you'll be making $24.25 when this new contract comes, and with all the progression raises, while the new guy is at $21 and can only go up to $23.

[@darrenb2841]

@@frankgarcia6035 I will only get $21.50 to start and top out at 26.25 after 5 more years.

[@rctemp34]

Just a bunch of pushovers they already get paid so why does it matter if everyone else only gets a fraction of what's really deserved

[@jdubber4dubbs62]

It's a NO

[@3ou1man]

Why?

[@corywalker8188]

They didn’t fight for everyone. What’s the point of a union if some get there’s and others don’t?

[@MrThebosskw]

Bad deal

[@ryanbloom7]

Bunch of weirdos in a comment section. Only focus on one part of the contract. Money! Go somewhere else than if its bad.

[@rctemp34]

I think the teamsters way should go down to $5 because basically that's what the raise was like $5 so they should only get $5

[@shotglass55]

I have never seen a more rewarding contract after 31yrs. Planning on wkng another 8. Truly grateful

[@gls1967gs]

Lmao

[@corywalker8188]

That’s because all of the other contracts you had, had concessions, clearly. Why else would I have started at $10.50 an hour. How there was that little involvement in the union before I was hired is astounding. For that large of a wage disparity to occur at a company where everyone does the same thing is shocking. There’s no reason Drivers should make over 2 or 3 times as much.

[@clint695]

Vote no on this trash. It created a bigger pay gap for all somewhat recently new hires. They got rid of rail language

[@sademurphy8886]

Hello

[@Heartfullofgoldentempire]

Bid rigging

[@CAC6363]

A lot of this info isn’t that accurate. Adjustments are handle within your local. There is no real average, some 5+ only get .25 some get $1. Maybe ask the union this guys doesn’t know what’s good

[@Lyso1]

He’s actually very accurate. This is what I’ve been trying to tell members is drivers are averaging a 3.6% increase per year and newer part timers are averaging a 9% increase per year over the life of the contract. So part timers got what they wanted and drivers got screwed but no one wants to break it down percentage wise they all just want the hourly wage.

[@CAC6363]

@@Lyso1 you can’t do percentage, you know how it works, every groups gets different increases as week as within those groups. Not all FT will get the same raise, some might get .40 some .75 based on your time put in. So, seeing as we have many members who have many different years and service, you can’t really generalize that, which is what the news has been doing, and the numbers they use are the highest numbers for topped out members which is pretty much the same thing. New members aren’t getting 9% increase some get $21 and that’s it… you really believe the news over your one union?…

[@FullDrawOutdoors]

@@CAC6363 im confused what youre talking about. In my hub any full time driver that has 4 years in makes full scale. Doesnt matter if someone has 30 years on them, we make the same. 41.67 as of now. soon to be 49 over the life of this contract if we vote yes.

[@CAC6363]

@@FullDrawOutdoors your aware there are FT hub workers right? Not always talking about drivers, there’s more of us than just that… the longevity pay will differ for most, all around not just drivers. It’ll be .25/.50 differences and some retro checks to even some ppl out. That’s what they did last contract…

[@FullDrawOutdoors]

@@CAC6363 our FT hub workers make the same as drivers as well, and their raises are the same.

[@user-iq8or1wz7k]

I’m 19 years part timer. 1.50 catch up raise. Thanks for nothing. No

[@DonCheto323]

Go full time

[@corywalker8188]

He should be treated as a valuable employee regardless. With appropriate compensation. If you work at UPS then you should understand what I mean.

[@Poop1996lol]

Go full time then. It’s not everybody else’s fault that you don’t want to further your career and stay part time. Don’t be lazy go punch in for those 13 hour days.

[@user-iq8or1wz7k]

If lazy is waking up to go work at 3:00 am. Then go home to get ready to do another full time job, and raise three kids. I guess I’m lazy.

[@ronb3913]

When your poor and broken you are poor and broken

[@B86432]

Meanwhile people w degrees working 50hrs a week for 50,000$ a year with real responsibilities so the bottom can make 45,000$ a year @ 40 hrs to show up.....makes sense

[@corywalker8188]

You call sitting at a desk working. I call it sitting at a desk. The person sitting at desk has a sore back from bad posture. I have a bad back from lifting 50 pound boxes out of a trailer every day, then do it again in another trailer, and so on, then lugging around 150 pound boxes when I’m finished. Let’s call a spade a spade. I think we all have value K?

[@user-lt5om6qu5g]

We don't have real responsibilities ? I do. I also have a degree but it pays more to use my muscles instead of my brain these days.

[@rctemp34]

Blah blah blah yackity smackity just morega figa Palama whole bunch of talk that really doesn't mean anything... You try being in the back of a hot truck and hundred degree weather with little-to-no working fan

[@claycompton1194]

Full time drivers most definitely did not get the shaft!!!! No more 6 day work weeks,even during peak,triple time penalty pay for not getting 8 hour requests, 9/5 language went to 2 out of 5,instead of 3 out of five.I was a driver for 24 years and it blows my mind to hear that the drivers got the shaft.

[@stephens2401]

I wouldn't say drivers got shafted but I personally don't feel like it's a great win by any stretch. 6 days of work even during peak was never mandatory. Management acted like it was though. My main thing is driver rate has not gone up in proportion to Part-timers. A new hire can come in at half the rate of a senior driver at top scale. meanwhile building work has gotten easier while driving has gotten harder.

[@30smsuperstrat]

WTF are you talking about. O'brien lied and said no concessions. Cover drivers got 9.5 protection on the previous contract. 9.5 protection goes away for any driver in their first three years and for any cover driver. That's a slap in the face. Yes, everyone else besides drivers gets screwed on the forced 6th day. Our preloaders and 22.3 got forced in every Saturday last peak🥵. Complete BS. 5 day workweek is a foundational part of the labor movement that should NEVER be moved on. This is 31 years of witnessing the teamster milk the Golden UPSers cow while striking in every other barn. It's time UPSers sucede from the Teamsters and form a package handling union reuniting with the AFL-CIO.

[@yura3948]

@@stephens2401true👏👏👏

[@claycompton1194]

@@stephens2401 I understand that, I am now a inside employee after 24 years of driving. At Lch 6 days we're mandatory during peak,yes the stops and volume is great er now than when I started, but the equipment and technology is far superior for drivers now. I went through the 97 strike,trust me it was no picnic, we strike and Ups will take everything off the table and we start from scratch.

[@stephens2401]

@@claycompton1194 You know UPS, as do many of us here no doubt. In the near future when UPS starts cutting cars on road to pay for these wage increases and everyone gets another 20 stops. I'm gonna be sitting still hot with no AC, more work than ever and wondering if we could have gotten more. Especially with a whole week left to negotiate. If you ask me right then how I'm voting... 😐😐😐

[@anthonygoodrich7995]

All these companies do is hire a bunch of part timers so they can pay them lower wages and don't have to pay benefits

[@waderoberts3701]

Part timers get full benefits at UPS.

[@Kirbysbelt]

JC. No wonder it cost so much to ship. How about lowering wages and passing it on to businesses who use ups.

[@djt.frosty69]

That's not a good deal. Why so many part timers. And every part timer is gonna vote for $2 raise over 4 year? Cmon wow NO

[@johnpelnar4301]

Ups = entitled crybabies

[@801bear5]

Actually. Under paid slaves.

[@MRosati5000]

@@801bear5 Pretty much. Get it when you can before automation takes over.

[@brianknows5139]

I worked there back in 2016 part time making 200 a week in Montgomery alabama