Breaking Free from Political Polarization with Classical Liberalism | Bruce Pardy & Kate Wand

[@AIERLibrary]

What do you think? Where do you agree, or disagree? Leave your comments below!

[@lonniearnett3983]

I much enjoyed this interview. But, it was clear to me that his view of classic liberalism described therein is the same as moral relativism. That is Classic Liberalism has the same moral value as Islamism, Communism, Fascism, Republic Democracy, etc. That I reject. There is in a world society better moral values among competitive moral values that elective governments should support.

[@IskraBiala]

Unfortunately classical liberalisms restraint in using the force of the state means they fall prey to those who have less qualms.

[@IskraBiala]

Consider that those "western progressives" working to undermine the west are not westerners at all. they are a non western parasitic class taking advantage of western, enlightenment, liberal principles. A class that weaponized guilt against self reflective westerners to attain greater control for themselves via a slow march through the institutions.

[@76063co2]

@@lonniearnett3983 I don't think that is what he said at all. You can think someone's choices are wrong or even stupid, and you are free to help them, guide them or even criticize them. The idea is, if there is no victim, then force is not justified, even if you do not agree with someone's personal choices. Because someone is forced to do something, doesn't change their morality. That only diminishes their sense of personal responsibility, thereby making the problems worse. AND it grows the authority of the state, which will surely eventually be used in some way that you do not support. But none of that is moral relativism.

[@remo5635]

Liberteen is great. For example: when i come to america like in chaplins "the immigrant", cross country to the westcoast,passing "open range",without ⚓ i would end in the pacific or kind of sink cause i'm not a maori or warrior, more a tourist. Wanna be free but don't want to freeze. So there is that freedom in mind for some time and also liberalism is a mind-thing. Practical you get polarized more in crisis,get weak maybe from one of the 7deadly sins... So today found this and mr.pardy in the www; thanx AIER

[@drewid0847]

Wow...I knew I wasn't the only one!

[@remo5635]

I don't understand everything because of my english. But recognize that this is a head-document you will always come back over the years 🙂

[@dorisandilands104]

Dr. Pardy espouses a voice of true freedom and sanity among the illiberalism that's threatening a real free and open society! Keep promoting and articulating TRUE LIBERALISM!

[@MoshVanIsle70]

Thank you both for helping me form my argument for classical liberalism\libertarian ideology in freedom.

[@benbillybobjoe]

Beautiful. I wish I could find the kind of freedom in earth he talks about.

[@lewreed1871]

"They've taken the word and I want it back." I nearly punched the air when Bruce said this about American "liberals". As a European, this appropriation of the term "liberal" by Americans who mean nothing of the kind has been frustrating me for a long time, and now a wholly predictable situation has arisen whereby arguing for liberalism with American so-called liberals gets me tarred as a "conservative" or often worse - a "fascist". It's insulting on many levels, not least for its stupidity. The thing touched on but not elaborated in this discussion is the point about responsibility being bound up with negative freedom. The question of how to bring about the condition of liberalism must surely address ways in which people are enabled to take the responsibility to manage their freedoms. Nanny-statism inculcates the opposite - infantilism - something which, from where I'm sitting, Americans suffer a great deal. A good place to start would seem to be in the universities. Get rid of the administrative glut in the universities, remove the "safetyism", possibly by practicing some kind of immersion therapy where people are exposed to life, warts and all. Dammit, part of the thrill of life is adversity. God forbid that the kind of schmaltzy, cloying, saccharine dictatorship of the woke should be allowed to become any more ingrained. (You can take my appeal to God in this as a measure of my frustration. I'm atheist!)

[@rfinnegan7106]

William F. Buckley capitalized the word liberal and redefined it. I have always claimed to be an "actual" liberal; which, classical seems to be.

[@Rick01650]

Wonderful and important discussion!

[@andrewvanos2916]

Subscribed, informed interviewer - good conversation

[@76063co2]

Nice production value on your video. So, as a libertarian, I agree with his political scale. I think the ideas of left vs right are outdated and essentially a fiction, and unfortunately one that is used by those in power to keep people divided. I see the scale as liberty on one end and authoritarianism on the opposite side, and given that scale, I feel like the conservatives and leftist, have much more in common with one another than either does with me. BTW, The Libertarian party is a coalition of libertarians, classical liberals, constitutionalist, and even anarcho-capitalist. The party is truly doing some interesting things right now, headed by the Mises Caucus.

[@vfrchris100]

This is such a valuable conversation and explanation of modern political perspectives. The calm discussion style and lack of hyperbole is why I find this pairing so effective and credible. It would be great to see them discuss & analyze current issues on a regular basis. Btw, the onscreen real-time illustration of the political model explained by Bruce was brilliant. Whoever thought of doing that should know how much it complimented and enhanced the explanation. It is now etched in my mind. Well done.

[@AIERLibrary]

Thank you so much!

[@KenHamilton1955]

This is a wonderful discussion. Thank you for recording this.

[@robsuzuki4921]

Well presented Bruce and Kate

[@just_another32]

great videos - please keep them coming!

[@luisgarcia8387]

love this guy !!!!

[@noraabramson7054]

How do you categorize situation on our boarders according to this theory?

[@bananamiriam]

This is fascinating, thank you. What happens if someone under Classical Liberalism shoots/rapes/otherwise seriously hurts an innocent? Are there jails? How are the run? What about behind closed doors family violence and coercion?

[@FrenchieCook]

Truly excellent discussion. Easy to listen to, well presented. Compliments to Bruce and Kate. I loved every minute of it. I am not optimistic regarding the potential for persuading either side of the bottom of the horseshoe to give up their beliefs and their taste for control. I'm not even optimistic about persuading a substantial percentage of the "balance of power minority" (one of my Dad's favorite phrases) to vote for the deconstruction of the current power structures in Washington and in the classrooms across America. (One could add here the media [both social and journalistic] and the entertainment industry, but perhaps these mostly just follow the prevailing wind.) We need an eloquent and magnetic candidate to represent the anti-collective argument in our upcoming elections. But wait: "Classical Liberal politician" - isn't that an oxymoron? Classical Liberals are too busy minding their own business to get involved in politics. Perhaps Classical Liberals have so little need for a super-arching tribal narrative that they don't care to participate in the charade. Just look at how few libertarian candidates have made a blip on the radar throughout American history. Apparently, and unfortunately, unwholesome nanny-state promises on both sides are just too appealing to too many voters. I suppose one can always hope. I guess we all need to get involved, at least on a local level, to the best of our ability. Better to die with one's boots on.

[@TheOrphicLyre]

The rate limiting factor is spending. The important factor at the heart of the growth of the progressive nanny state is the money printer.

[@Simon-390]

At last , at least one person sees what I have been saying for 30 years . I am not conservative or labour or liberal . I am me .

[@TheOrphicLyre]

Freedom is the alternative to tyranny.

[@tessiea]

curious Bruce Pardy opinion on PR electoral reform.

[@jimguitarfan]

I am an outsider here (in the UK) so I would only comment in a limited, qualified manner. But my own perception over the last few years is that (broadly speaking) the conservative side of America - and presumably Canada - is driven by rolling back statism and keeping those state interventions to the minimum required by a "structured" society. That is to say: I will decide what my children should be taught above and beyond core non-partisan subjects; I will decide what I am allowed to say and think; I will decide what is in my best health interest; I am not responsible for the wellbeing of anybody else who decides to participate in a society and world which carries inherent risks at every turn. Whereas I do not get the impression that the predominant progressive/leftist position is in accordance with that - although again as Bruce Pardy says. it is a spectrum and on both left and right there will be variations in how far along their side of the circle an individual might be. As an aside: In the UK, it seems to me that the fact that we have a constitutional monarchy which is tied to a Christian state religion is a clear point of irreconcilable tension in some aspects of the conservative-versus-progressive , left v right schism; as the whole legal system is of course built on a Christian foundation. Perhaps the same is true of US politics? I am not qualified to comment. Another really excellent discussion that didn't go off piste into the more esoteric corners of political discourse. Kate has got that rare gift of asking a question and then just listening to the guest. Really listening and then given a considered response. Should be simple, but I am sure it isn't , as so many "celebrity" interviewers seem incapable of it. Thank you.

[@just_another32]

What about the free movement of people and borders / nations - how is this inconsistency resolved in liberalism?

[@CurtHowland]

I got into a twit discussion with a Conservative. He could not get over or past the idea that people must be controlled.

[@RussellNelson]

50:48 from my perspective of 64 years, there is no hope for most of the US. Classical Liberals are too diffuse. We need to move to New Hampshire, so that we can control politics (in the same sense that you control a forest fire) and demonstrate to everyone that the path to prosperity is paved with freedom. There are WAY too many people who simply cannot comprehend that freedom is desirable, as Bruce has shown repeatedly in this show.

[@emilymiller1792]

There was a great deal of push back against the Harry Potter books by some conservatives when they were first published.

[@paulhyd]

Free speech to collectivists is a justification of means to an end of their own value system whlle for the individualists it's a justication to an end by whatever means.

[@PieterHanja]

Classical Liberalism; it's the best, only you need good education in the society. And you have to throw away the power of the church.

[@chrisjerome8731]

Good discussion. It seemed to be implied (assumed?) that classical liberalism and libertarianism are synonymous... which was kind of unfortunate. But I get that for simplicity's sake we can't get bogged down in endless definitions, scales, and qualifications though. Especially when generalizing and talking in broad strokes. The big problem is that the classical liberal position loses out against those that will use classical liberalism's own values to subvert and destroy itself to achieve their own ends. It's an inherently weak system in a cutthroat world of bad actors and destructive ideologies.

[@leoantonio]

School prayer is an example of where conservatives have, in the past, gone very wrong. Their tendency toward theocracy is as revolting as the religiosity that epitomizes social justice, feminism, and gender ideology.

[@CurtHowland]

His circle chart looks a lot like the Nolan Chart.

[@VeraldoAncodini]

"Break free from polarization and tribalism!" by following another polarizing, tribal ideology... If you actually wanted people to be free from tribalism and the corruption ideology brings you wouldn't be promoting an ideology, you would stand against ALL of them. Meritocracy is the system we need, only by judging each idea on its own merit can we improve.

[@povertime6381]

It is not a pendulum or a snowball, It is a ratchet.

[@FakeCrisRealTyranny]

So far I'm just 11 minutes in, and I'm more or less with his idea. But a red flag has me asking; "Okay, if the Classical Liberal's only line not to cross is violence, how does one react to the notion of a MAP ("minor attracted person")? Is moral relativism the potential problem here I think it to be? Possibly this question will be answered as I watch further...

[@robsuzuki4921]

I was wondering about similar situations. I think existing as a MAP would be the freedom, but interacting physically in a sexual manner with a minor would be damaging and therefore a form of violence against that individual. It brings into question the idea of consent and the age at which a “minor” can give consent

[@FakeCrisRealTyranny]

@@robsuzuki4921 Yes, but given that minors can now give consent to "vaccinations" and "gender affirming care" and idiot parents are letting drag queens groom their kids, there's little to no hope that a libertarian regime would be any better at holding the lunatics in check.

[@lisabrenner9427]

I never thought of classical liberalism as libertarianism. Hmmm. Is this really true? Why do we have two different terms? The judeo christian ethic on which our country was founded is a better solution for those issues which libertarianism does not address: immigration, free trade with countries that impose tariffs on us, abortion, pornography, drugs.

[@greg1563]

If you're a Christian believer who sees there's no solution in politics, look into "anarchoChristian" groups. #noKingbutChrist

[@judithlewis9634]

I could not get into this once the woman kept interjecting with " yes, uh huh, mmh mm. " It's distracting.

[@TheOrphicLyre]

Don't waste my money babysitting adults who ought to know better.