BREAKING NEWS - New DNA Insights into Bronze Age Greece // Mycenaeans & Minoans

What an incredible era for studying the past !
I am not a geneticist. Just an interested person adding context to finds from Greece.
You can find more info here:-
greece.greekreporter.com/2020...
www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...
www.sciscape.org/modern-greeks...
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[@MH-ln6pv]

The days when 'legendary' actually meant legendary.

[@draganjagodic4056]

There is something fascinating in those early Mediterranean people. Almost like a potion of eternal civilisational youth.

[@misterk7040]

Nice comment-Poetic

[@fbalineage3648]

What?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@draganjagodic4056]

@@misterk7040 Thank You Sir.

[@wolfpack1061]

I want what you smokin bro

[@draganjagodic4056]

@@wolfpack1061 Education, "bro". Educate yourself. Read books. Have you ever heard about books and education, "bro"?

[@GroupieImp64]

History is actually a lot more interesting than was implied at school! Thank you!

[@ftom1963]

GroupieImp64 Bronze Age only 3rd best age mate

[@GroupieImp64]

@@ftom1963 Haha, what are number 2 and number 1? :D

[@ftom1963]

Er' the gold age and silver age I guess???

[@ftom1963]

Although in England , number 1's and 2's are wee and poo.....!!!

[@AriaIsara]

It is fascinating sadly school programs do a terrible job at presenting history to kids!!

[@ministryoftruth8499]

"immense cyclopean masonry" *Lovecraft intensifies*

[@craigkdillon]

Azothoth will get your for your blasphemy.

[@bozo5632]

AKA large rocks. Meet the Flintstones instead.

[@ronalddevine9587]

I enjoy your videos. I've been to Mycenae, and Knossos. Fascinating. My wife is from Greece, and we enjoy your videos. Can't wait for Covid 19 to pass so we can return. Keep up the good work

[@The30Free]

the Achaean lmao 😂

[@WildcardASMR]

I seriously want to visit Greece whenever I can. My recent deeper fascination with it and my extensive research into it have me extremely excited to, if ever I can, visit the islands, but a few specific sites rumoured to have... well, Mycenaean ruins, hehe...

[@craigkdillon]

About Homer -- he was the bridge between the Heroic Age and the Historical Age. The Heroic Age was denoted by a lack of writing, but the remembrance of history by stories and poems. Poetry of rhyme and meter were invented NOT for artistic reasons, but to assist in remembering and remembering accurately. They would choose bright children, very young, and then teach them their tales of the past. The Bible was an Heroic poem for centuries before it was written down. The Celts, even though literate, never wrote down their Druid religious teachings. So, as the last Druids died (killed?), the Druid religion was lost. I do NOT believe that Homer created the Iliad & Odyssey, but that he merely wrote down what he had been taught as a boy. Except for the infusion of Gods and mysticism, I think much of the events portrayed are true, especially about the war. Trojan horse? Maybe not, but Troy probably fell by stratagem. Just as Africanus defeated Cartagena by stratagem. Numbers of ships, probably exaggerated. So too, the length of the siege. Still, I believe the war happened. There was a Troy, and it was destroyed.

[@vexaris1890]

It was actually destroyed multiple times, and the Myceneans often quarelled with the Hittites on modern day mainland turkey. There's evidence the Myceneans tried to colonise Anatolia and supported people there who wanted to revolt against the Hittites, and obviously the Hittites weren't amused by that. It's possible that Troy was one such city in the crossfire between the Hittites and the Myceneans.

[@darkoneforce2]

Mycenaean greeks had writing, it was called Linear B by archaeologists.

[@craigkdillon]

@@darkoneforce2 True. And so did the Egyptians. The line between the Heroic and Historic is not sharp. I think they lived side by side for awhile. Like the Celts who were literate, but the Druids passed their teaching orally. In Medieval Europe you had the bards, and the Irish had the Shenachie who kept local records in their head, and their knowledge existed along side the written local Church records.

[@zeus0710]

True

[@darkoneforce2]

@Lel E They were.

[@Proud2bGreek1]

DNA evidence showed that modern Greeks are on average 70 to 75% identical to the Mycenaeans and Minoans, the later Greek invasions of Ionians, Dorians and Aeolians as you mentioned did not result in the extermination of the Mycenaeans but their assimilation.

[@bobbiusshadow6985]

lol.. so, your ancestors have been cuckold a lot

[@makinoahcelloduo9008]

I always get Ajax the Strong mixed up with his cousin, Ajax the Cleanser.

[@mhorram]

It's an easy mistake to make. Homer tells us in the Iliad that there were two Ajaxes. One he referred to as Ajax the Greater. The other he referred to as Ajax the Lesser. Now, Ajax the lesser, got himself in real trouble after the fall of Troy and Athena decided to kill him so she hit his ship with a lightening bolt as he returned to Greece. Poseidon initially saved him from death but Ajax immediately committed a blasphemy and Poseidon in anger sent him to the bottom of the sea in a whirlpool. So, it is obvious that Ajax the Cleanser is actually Ajax the Lesser. I suspect that Poseidon in creating this huge whirlpool cursed Ajax with "Wash the dirt right down the drain". That curse has been part of the Ajax the Cleanser mythology ever since and has been incorporated in Ajax the Cleanser jingles for over 3,000 years.

[@budd2nd]

Naming it Ajax is a very clever bit of marketing for that cleanser, which BTW in powder form you can’t buy anymore, I tried to get some before lockdown, but nowhere has it.

[@makinoahcelloduo9008]

budd2nd The cleanser is still on the shelf in the shops here in Guelph, Ontario.

[@fabianofonda6758]

Isn't Ajax a football Club of Amsterdam? Of course, It has the face of the Hero for logo.

[@txwarriorbride5112]

😂😂😂😂

[@dannyalex5866]

Greetings from Greece my friend

[@jeremy1350]

These are the subjects that most interest me. I love ancient history.

[@brightonmick]

Good visuals, clear rhythmic narration, stories that hook with their novel theses: winner, winner, chicken dinner. Nothing less than I'd expect from a Kelly. Well done, Pete 🙂

[@johnm1268]

Mycenean Linear B writing was also found in my home town Mirdita, Xhuxhe, Albania. Good work my man. DNA evidence shows greeks and albanians are actually genetically the same people. Myceneans did not die. They just transformed.

[@lewisleonard7200]

I am an American of English descent. Imagine my surprise when my DNA shows that I have a common ancestor with 30 % of the men of Crete. Eight thousand years ago we were on Crete. Four hundred years ago we were in England. People seemed to move around more than I thought.

[@nicka.papanikolaou9475]

Indeed they did, and population molecular genetics shows that movement was from Asia Minor to Greece/Greek islands and into Europe. That is reflected in the (de)cline of DNA variability as we go from Greece to the rest of Europe. Not suprisingly, Greeks of today mainly derive from the Myceneans. Also, the Dorian invasion was not invasion at all, It is rather reflected in population movements from the Pindus mountains in Eprus, Greece to Thessaly and the Peloponnese. In fact, there are Greek tribes of today such as the so called Sarakatsans who derive directly from the ancient Macedonians and other Greeks. In spite of population movements, endogamy is still prevalent!

[@soik1401]

​@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 We don't know yet if Dorians were similar to Mycenaeans genetically. We need classical genetic material for that. So far, we don't have any from the mainland. If there is some shift between Bronze Age Greeks and Classical Age Greeks, then the Dorians may have been somewhat different.

[@petrospetromixos6962]

Considering many ancient Greek writters write about America then yeah.I ve heard also that Scotland (scotos=darkness in Greek) means land of darkness and they have same dresses and musical instrument (gaida) as the Greeks, as well that the Mac in their names comes from Macedonian. I remember seeing a video describing which ancient Macedonian kings traveled to Scotland so this travels might have been recorded. In any case in Spanish thunder is Zeus

[@Billieftw]

WHAT a video!! As a Hellene/Greek it gave chills...

[@phdtobe]

Pete, you are now my go-to source on KZbin for breaking archaeology news. Keep it up!

[@Hugehugebighuge]

thanks so much for always putting out such amazing content, Pete. Especially during corona season, you really are a life saver.

[@wendyarmstrong823]

Hopefully all this madness clears itself out soon. How else can you perform your "magic " and take us along to your travels? Pete, thanks for the exciting topics you so carefully choose and spend hours to research and bring to us. Please we want more of it!

[@CompulsoryReading]

ILY! Thanks for making these videos. I hope making them makes you as happy as watching them makes me. Love and light to you and may the ancestors bless you for sharing their truths.

[@graymcgoldrick8388]

ThNk you so much for opening up this aspect of history and the insights and observations as they are to make this interesting to most people. Much appreciated

[@saturdaysun5724]

Fascinating stuff, looking forward to more when you are able to recommence your travels.

[@kevinkirkbride9062]

Fascinating! I love that DNA technology today is able to answer long asked questions and clear up long believed myths. I look forward to hearing about your travels!

[@BlueBaron3339]

Good video, Pete. One of the more interesting theories regarding the belief in an age of giants was that some of the frequent earthquakes revealed the fossilized remains of dinosaurs. As no creatures of similar size existed, it would have been reasonable to believe there had been an age when giants roamed the earth in human form. Regarding Homer, I'm not convinced that proving historical accuracy is important anymore than verifying the Bible is history. There's no such thing as "mere" mythology. Myths exist for other reasons and the Illiad remains relevant today, history or not.

[@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH]

So glad I found this channel!

[@vangelisskia214]

"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies

[@sarfrazmh31]

@Vangelis Skia you forget the true ethnic origin of Greeks before these four you claim are Anatolian Neolithic farmers ie your Turkish genetic roots.

[@sarfrazmh31]

@John Fragka, idiot, there were no Jews in Levant at the period. Jews were in Egypt. Jews are foreign occupiers of Levant and Palestine.

[@nicka.papanikolaou9475]

@@sarfrazmh31 Oh really? I did not know there were turks 4000 years ago in Asia Minor! I guess western civilization was started by turks! Thanks for the historical tidbit!

[@vangelisskia214]

@@franks450 This is a quote by A. J. Toynbee, one of the the most prominent historians of the 20th century and not my own words. But then i guess, you don't know what the term "quote" even means... Swearing and insulting someone you don't know behind the safety of your keyboard shows that you're nothing more than the typical modern day coward.

[@deagor4578]

@@sarfrazmh31Just leave, clown.

[@radstar2185]

Can you cover the vinca culture please? I'd love to know more about them since they're supposed to have built settlement in Europe around 5000 bc.

[@mattsharpe3989]

I was at Mycenae in 2017, its a very cool and interesting site. I get why the later people's would have thought giants built it, some of those stones really need to be seen in person to appreciate how big of a job that was..

[@demitraferles7970]

Pete, I just found your channel. Excellent work! Thank you for sharing. ❤

[@janina8559]

I love you and your Brothers channels. For both the knowledge and narrative. Its also the perfect ASMR because I feel I grow smarter even as I drift to sleep! Thank You for all y’all do 🤗

[@TheLittledikkins]

The mapping of the human genome and the subsequent DNA extraction techniques will continue to rewrite ancient history and prehistory for decades to come. I wish I could be around for all of it.

[@romanpronyszyn9739]

Evans was not an Englishman - he was Welsh

[@MrVvulf]

It really is exciting technology, finally being able to say with some scientific backing what was only conjecture previously. An example would be that not only did the Romans not leave any discernible DNA imprint on the people of the UK, but neither did the Norse (Vikings) - but for different reasons. The Romans because they didn't intermarry and stay behind after the collapse of the empire, and the Vikings because their genetics were already basically identical to those already living in Britain (excepting the Welsh).

[@TheLittledikkins]

@@MrVvulf I was aware of both, but retiring Roman soldiers were settled with land etc, and married local women where ever they served, and none could serve in their own province. But I doubt that many were actually Roman and the few Romano-Britians who remained may not have survived the invasions by the Angles and the Saxons.

[@MrVvulf]

@@TheLittledikkins That's my understanding too. Most (?) of the soldiers posted in Britain during the Roman rule were from northern Europe themselves, so wouldn't have made much of a dent in the genetics.

[@TheLittledikkins]

@@MrVvulf Exactly, though they could have come from any province and that could be the weird .5% and .1% that show up in people's DNA that has them saying WTF?

[@deborahromilly2766]

Thank you Pete, awesome presentation. The Bronze age and it's collapse is fascinating, I literally can't get enough.

[@brianmcrock]

Dude, that's Fascinating! Great work. Thanks!

[@VunterSlaush1650]

Love yours and your brothers work Pete, keep it up!

[@georgegreek5357]

Gland that you share important stuff of our history.Greetings from Greece!

[@nuao88]

Great video man, I'm going to Crete in August AND I CANT WAIT 😎🤸

[@Johannes_Brahms65]

You're getting better all the time!

[@afischer8327]

Such a relief to see a video which quietly emphasises the drama and upheaval, and also is in touch with our recent archeaological discoveries and linguistic history. There is a tendency, during an illiterate Dark Age, to relate the stories of battles and romance in stories, verse, and song, eventually exaggerating and highlighting the efforts and feelings of the protagonists, so when heard by children, these people became as gods. Such it was with Homer, who was the sum of 300 years or so of orally transmitted stories of Illium and the Achaeans. Also with our northern European legends, such as the Nibelungenlied, written centuries after the original settlement of the Burgundians and other Germanic tribes, Sie(g)fried hunting aurochs and boar in the extensive forest, and Hun mercenaries, eventually led by Atilla (Etzel/Atli), allied with the last remnants of the Roman military to crush the Burgundians. What legends come to us through times of darkness!

[@mikkopenttila7604]

7:58 "Linear A, still undeciphered today, is generally seen as a continuation of a form of phoenician writing..." I don't think that's correct. The phoenician script was indeed the precursor to the later Greek alphabetic script but that only emerged centuries after the late Bronze Age collapse.

[@sugarnads]

It was posited as a form of luvian back in the 60s. Dun where t his guy got the idea it was descended from a form of writing that wouldnt appear for another 400-600 years

[@apo.7898]

You are right. The interesting thing though is that Herodotus places Cadmus around 2000 BC, and supposedly according to tradition the Cadmeans brought the 'Phoenician letters'.. There was, I think, a scholar that had assumed that the tradition was really about a script ancestral to Linear A and B (tablets that were not baked would have been lost, right?) and not about the alphabetic script. That view is rejected proably by everyone but I had found it intersting. Another intersting thing is that John Malalas (a 5/6th century AD Greek speaking Eastern Roman likely of Aramaic origin from Antioch) makes a dinstiction between 'Phoenician letters' and 'Hellenic letters'. (Though Malalas says many weird things that would be dismissed by scholars either way). Also intersting are the Karian script and especially the Paleohispanic scripts. These do not look that similar to Phoenican, although they obviously have common origin. I think it is likely that the Phoenician is a derivative of an older script from which also Paleohispanic scripts and Karian script came from with uncertain place of origin. The Paleohispanic scripts are interesting because they are in some way intermediate between an alphabetic script like the Greek and Latin alphabets and syllabaries like Linear A and B.

[@TheSauron197]

Linear A and linear B are pretty similar writing systems but they were used to express different languages. Linear A was used to express the language of the Minoans which ever that might was. Linear b was an adjustment of Linear A in order to express the proto greek language of the achaeans ( mycenianes).

[@TheSauron197]

Linear A most likely came from somewhere in the middle east ( no one knows really from were)

[@redtobertshateshandles]

It was a joke, added to f.... with archaeologists heads. Lol.

[@katrinaclinton7368]

Love it. Watching shows like yours on KZbin is my only access to News and history since I am on a very low income. I appreciate all you do to bring this information to light into the world. And you have a lovely voice to listen to!

[@theajshortman]

Top notch work as always chap!😊

[@sherryjohnson7313]

How very interesting...thank you....looking forward to your travels and more..😇💖

[@cabbking]

Great! Would like you to list the haplo groups they have found for those Minoan remains if they have been published. Lovely story.

[@DekkardBryon]

Arthur Evans considered himself 'British' rather than 'English'. His great grandfather Lewis Evans was a Welsh mathematician and the family roots were apparently treasured.

[@backdoorslam]

Great work Pete. Thanks!

[@shadowraith1]

Fascinating topic. Thanks for sharing. 👍👀🏛👀👍

[@dc4457]

Why is it even surprising that ancient and modern Greeks are the same basic population? It seems natural that the first farmers would form the backbone of the population given that farmers can breed much faster and support a higher population density than hunter-gatherers or nomads. I would expect a certain amount of genetic input from later arrivals out of Asia such as the Slavs and Avars but not enough to significantly change the makeup of the general population. The Indo-Europeans who brought proto-Greek to the peninsula were probably not very numerous, but able to impose their language and culture because of their horse-based military supremacy, and they had centuries if not millennia to blend into the native population before forming kingdoms. Differences in language and culture do not always indicate differences in genetics.

[@markib1412]

@Leo yeah sure buddy, keep believing these things😂, we have heard this bullshit propaganda a lot

[@markib1412]

@Leo Bro please shut the fuck up. You are delusional and you know nothing about history. You are just another ultra nationalist Albanian and you believe any propaganda that they tell you. There is no evidence for all the shit that you just said😂 The Greeks are called like that in English, Greeks are called Hellenes which is a Greek word. Hellen has many different terminologies in Greek and could mean, light, mountainous, pagan. Dorians is not an Albanian and it could come from the Greek word Doro which means gift. The word pellazgo that you are talking about could also come from the word pellagos in Greek which means open sea. Ancient Greeks gave the name Illyrian which comes from Illyrius in Greek mythology. Also, Bosnians, Croatians and Serbians are Slavic nations. There is no proof that all those people have Albanians blood. This is just your imagination.

[@katakai7117]

@Leo Ah yes "stupid youtube video" the best of sources

[@markib1412]

@Leo Yeah, now I am convinced, now I believe you, how could I be so stupid???😂😂 Bruh shut the fuck up. You are showing a random video that was probably made by an Albanian nationalist. Good job😂

[@markib1412]

@Leo 😂😂😂 Yeah I'm sure that is "the truth". You showed a 16 second video and you think you have won the argument. You can't even disprove the arguments that I gave you before. You are the one who is pathetic.

[@deanbuss1678]

Thanks Pete! What is it about the ancients that's so interesting to the point of exciting? Makes me wish I'd pay more attention in school.lol Homer was required reading back then. ( 8th grade)

[@LillianLouiseInNature]

I love this information. Thank you!

[@mancroft]

Thank you for this. Fascinating!

[@vangelisskia214]

"According to the studies using multiple autosomal gene markers, GREEKS ARE SOME OF THE EARLIEST CONTRIBUTORS OF GENETIC MATERIAL TO THE REST OF THE EUROPEANS AS THEY ARE ONE OF THE OLDEST POPULATIONS IN EUROPE" Cavalli-Sforza, Luigi Luca; Menozzi, Paolo; Piazza, Alberto (1996). The History and Geography of Human Genes. Princeton University Press. pp. 255-301

[@Helpwood]

Astonishing revelations revealed herein, another great presentation from Pete Kelly--word up. Well taught Pete. Many thanks and much obliged to you for you're hard work and dedication, Archeology and History has become more accessible as a result of you're purposeful endeavors. My best regards.

[@rjwohlman]

Love this channel!!!!! So smart!

[@neanderthaloutdoors9202]

I do enjoy a bit of history and I enjoy watching your videos.

[@Ptolemy336VV]

This is not really breaking. There are genetic studies in 2013, 2015, and the most conclusive one in 2017 that show the near identical genetic similarities of the Minoan Greeks 5000 years ago, the Mycenean Greeks 3500 years ago up to the modern Greeks today. And it's not so strange. Culturally it's one big continuity in many ways seen. In language, in cultural traditions, agricultural practices, cuisine, continuing from Minoans to Myceneans and picking up again in classical Greece and so on. To arts and so on. The worst period in Greece's history is possibly the Greek Dark ages to which 80% of the population may have died. Also all of the European farmers originate from Greece and Western Anatolia 7000 BCE. Also. Not to forget. Trade and civilization throughout Greece was extensive already in 7000 BCE. With many neolithic sites found dated to these dates in the last 10 years. An important aspect to note is that Obsidian was found even in the northern corners of Greece in Kastoria which shows trade in Greece, as Obsidian is found only on the island of Milos which is 600 km away from Kastoria. And since Greece is 80% mountains and then 6000 islands around the mainland, there are cultural deviations within the Greek geography, but the Minoans and Mycenean cases who come from the Greek islands and the other from the Greek mainland, they are of the same genetic stock

[@Ptolemy336VV]

@jeff deathrage That is incorrect. Not only do Greeks come in all hair and eye colors. Even in Crete when looking at buses full with children off summer season many children have light brown hairs, green eyes, light brown eyes, blue eyes and so on. I have seen it all, and in significant amounts. Second of all and more importantly, Greeks have been living for thousands of years in Anatolia and the population even in classical period was about 9-15 million in this region. Now. First of all The Greek empire of Byzantium is not only the longest lasting medieval kingdom IN the world lasting 1150 years, spanning from 300 AD till 1453 AD until the fall by the Ottoman Turks, but the Ottoman Turks where only able to conquer it after Byzantium was ravaged by plagues ( which killed 60-70-% of the entire population, which left it's large armies be turned into barebone skeleton armies over time to which Byzantium would never recover from). And the Ottomans did so with a 100.000 man army. Now I don't know if you understand things, but 100.000 man strong army was ultimately enough to hunger out and defeat the Byzantine empire, but it's not enough to kill the Greeks and other people of Anatolia spanning many millions. So the Turks turkified the Greeks into becoming Turkish by changing language and religion. So who changed who? The Greek genetic component what tremendous on what was to be come the Turkish population, because most of them are Greek of origin, not the other way around. So the Greeks relatively had extremely little change, because it was the Turkish population that had the major alterations in genetic make up. *A Greek would either flee or die, or be turkified into becoming a Turk. In all cases the Greek genetic component would not be touched. The Turkish genetic component would be significantly altered. Especially with just 100.000 Turkic people mixing in a pool of 10+ million people.* I rest my case Now a question to you with this knowledge in mind. Why are Turks today 100 times more similar to the Greeks than to their original Turkic people back in Mongolia 5000 km away? Correct, because the one and only reason is because of the tremendous influence of Greek genetic component on the Turkish one. And that coincides with the tremendous influence of Greek civilization, cuisine, architecture on the Turks who are entirely founded on the Byzantine Greek empire which once held 2/3rd of all of Europe's wealth and being the culinary hotspot far and wide with most of the dishes that make up of the modern Greek/Turkish cuisine today being present in Byzantine times or even earlier in Classical Greek period. Or the buildings of the most renowned Ottoman architect Cinan that tried to copy the Greek church Hagia sophia 1000 years later but failed in doing so. *Bottomline: Turks look like Greeks and nothing like their split eyed mongoloid Turkic original people back in their native homeland.* It all shows the major influence on the Turks in every possible way, while the Turkic people back in their native homeland of Mongolia still have an extremely primitive cuisine because these Turks roam on some of the poorest farmlands in the world where almost nothing grows, and is just barely enough for their cattle. Hence they where nomads and had to move around in order to survive. Hence they hardly have any history/civilization and whatsoever.

[@srdjanbasaric517]

@@Ptolemy336VV Today Greeks originates from Hurite tribes from Asia. Today Greeks have no conection with ancient Greeks. Those "Greeks" with pale eyes can originate only from Slawyan tribes. Only one genetic have pale eyes and it originate from Vinca culture,Serbia. The rest are newcomers from Asia and nice wishes.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Srdjan Basaric Harvard University's Genetics Department completely disagrees with you: The Greeks really do have near-mythical origins, ancient DNA reveals: www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean “ancestors” in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today’s Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region. Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos). Nice Propaganda tho, its a classic Slave attempt ;) Cry Now 🤓🤣🖕

[@johanlassen6448]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821 That guy is delusional dude. I have seen him write his shit before. He lives in a fantasy world. Of course modern Greeks are the genetic descendants of the ancient Greeks. They speak the same language. That in itself is remarkable considering the number of invasions that Greece has suffered. The Harvard study from 2017 that you reference only cements what should already have been common knowledge.

[@Ptolemy336VV]

@@srdjanbasaric517 Absolutely wrong. Why do people not read what others have to say, and look into if they are right. Instead, you don't give a shit what others write, even if they where right, and you write your own anecdotal bullcrap here on youtube without a single fact to prove. You think I wrote all these facts without full scientific evidences to back up? Let's start my uneducated simpleton. 1. First of all. Greek civilization, history and cultural continuity is one continuity of thousands of years from the Neolithic to modern day. The Minoans (3650-1200 BCE) on Crete and Cyclades, just like the Cycladic civilization on the Cyclades(3200-2000 BCE), just like the Helladic period 3200-1300 BCE on the mainland, as well as the Myceneans 2000 BCE-1200 BCE are one and the same as today the people of Greece. And both the Minoans, Myceneans, Cycladic peoples and Helladic peoples are genetically all one and the same. The people of Greece have changed their religion one time around Roman times, and have their Greek language (which is the oldest living language in the world) from the 3rd or 5th millennia BCE onwards, but the people of Greece are genetically one and the same with many of the cultural practices from even 5000 years ago in the Minoan period, STILL done today. Not only DNA supports this in every way: 2. www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals "Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos)." 3. www.livescience.com/31983-minoans-were-genetically-european.html "They were very similar to Neolithic Europeans and very similar to present day-Cretans," residents of the Mediterranean island of Crete." 4. And to make it more beautiful for you based on science, genealogy:ALL of the First farmers in Europe were migrants from Aegean Neolithic civilization in Greece and Turkey 7000 BCE, 9000 years ago, which shows that the Ancestral Greek people of the Aegean (Greece and Anatolia) are one and the same, which influenced all of Europe farming. The incredible thing is that even 9000 years ago the genetics of The Greeks in Greece and Anatolia (What we today call Turkey in the last 100 years) are one and the same. www.ibtimes.co.uk/first-farmers-europe-were-migrants-aegean-neolithic-civilisation-greece-turkey-1563921www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886.full So in other words. Greeks of Byzantine greek period 1500 years ago, Classical Greek period 2500 years ago, Mycenean Greek period 3500 years ago, Minoan Greek 5000 years ago, and onwards are very similar to almost identical to modern day Greeks. Lastly. Complex sewerage/water management/plumbing systems in Greece as of July 2017 are now dated to 5000 years, which is older than the oldest 4600 year old sewerage/water management system from India.The Cycladic civilization 3300-2000 BCE, with the last great find also just a few months ago as archaeologists discovered a new island which is entirely filled with large monumental structures/buildings from 5000 years ago with complex advanced plumbing systems from the Cycladic civilization 5000 years ago. Greece already has one of the top oldest evidences of advanced sewerage/plumbing in the world, but this new evidence pushes back the oldest dates in Greece even further by 6 to 10 centuries. news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/archaeologists-uncover-advanced-greek-plumbing-metalwork-keros-spd/

[@Survivethejive]

Cool vid. The steppe component in Mycenaeans decreased over time as they were absorbed by the numerous Minoan like people, but then Greece had an injection of more steppe DNA in medieval times from the slavic invasions, so modern Greeks are now back to similar levels they were in Mycenaean times. Evidently the people who brought Greek language south must have had a very high steppe component.

[@MrBooYa-yd5er]

@Rhaenys Aryan Atlantean Gardens is a great channel.

[@oliverrevilo5009]

I recall that the aristocrats described in the Iliad were sometimes blonde or auburn-haired - Golden-haired Achilles, for instance. This shows possible signs of Indo-European migration.

[@MrBooYa-yd5er]

@@oliverrevilo5009 I think they were ALL of Indo European descent. Aryans.

[@mkelkar1]

Greece is an Indo European language. English is an Indo European language of the West Germanic branch. English milk, Tocharian malke, Latin mulgeo, Old Irish melg, Greek amelgo, Russian moloko and so forth. Linguistic, textual, genetic and archaeological evidence for the Out of India Theory of Indo European Languages Baghpat Chariots, Weapons and the Horse in the Harappan Civilization - Dr. BK Manjul kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIvZfKOgn7mjnck Findings from the latest genetic study conducted by ASI in collaboration with the Reich Lab at Harvard using ancient DNA from Rakhigarhi slides at 29:00 mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/eprSZHimZdOfrJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGW6d55mnqp-a80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGGvmGSYlJ2Ba5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6ispmaaitigqrs Here are the tribes that spread the Indo European languages from South Asia to West Asia, Central Asia and to Europe Avestan) Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Sairima (Śimyu), Dahi (Dāsa). NE Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Nuristani/Piśācin (Viṣāṇin). Pakhtoonistan (NW Pakistan), South Afghanistan: Iranian: Pakhtoon/Pashtu (Paktha). Baluchistan (SW Pakistan), SE Iran: Iranian: Bolan/Baluchi (Bhalāna). NE Iran: Iranian: Parthian/Parthava (Pṛthu/Pārthava). SW Iran: Iranian: Parsua/Persian (Parśu/Parśava). NW Iran: Iranian: Madai/Mede (Madra). Uzbekistan: Iranian: Khiva/Khwarezmian (Śiva). W. Turkmenistan: Iranian: Dahae (Dāsa). Ukraine, S, Russia: Iranian: Alan (Alina), Sarmatian (Śimyu). Turkey: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Phryge/Phrygian (Bhṛgu). Romania, Bulgaria: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Dacian (Dāsa). Greece: Greek: Hellene (Alina). Albania: Albanian: Sirmio (Śimyu). Shrikant Gangadhar Talageri talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html Five waves of Indo-European expansion: a preliminary model (2018) Igor A Tonoyan-Belyayev I. Tonoyan-Belyayev www.academia.edu/36998766/Five_waves_of_Indo-European_expansion_a_preliminary_model_2018_

[@Bogey1022]

Great work, professor

[@kevatthecabin]

another great vid Pete

[@ianrobinson8974]

Pete where do you get your information from? You must be a scholar with multiple degrees in archaeology! Whatever the case, your blogs are so well put together. THANK YOU and your Bro. We need someone of your ilk to put together our indigenous culture down here in the land of Oz...it only goes back 50-60,000 years! So much to find out! At the same time, not forgetting those of that culture who ended up being the first peoples of the Americas. CHEERS!

[@brankeane2830]

Having been to a few Mycenaean sites in Greece: To be fair to the Ancient Greeks, the stones used in their construction are so big, if you have a bit of an overactive imagination you can absolutely imagine them being built by giants xD

[@billtsirtsis7060]

Very nicely done!

[@alexandrospapadopoulos1474]

Thank you for your awesome videos.

[@Somewhat-Evil]

“Know, oh prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars.”

[@PoM-MoM]

@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN 🤭THEY aren't saying it they are repeating a direct quote from Robert E. Howard; The Chronicles of Conan

[@shaunarledge1839]

That's beautiful!🤔😎👍and so much more civility and sophistication than where we are today!!!!🤔😎💯

[@shaunarledge1839]

@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN m My friend I would urge you to ck Josephus Flavius;a Roman historian who allegedly wrote the books of the bible to indoctrinate ALL Roman's into one belief system to manipulate the people when the empire was in decline. And what better way than with religion. Don't take my word as gospel 😉NPI,LOL. BUT doing your own research gives one better context and understanding;And TRUTHFULLY some details I don't remember. But, great comment and I had to respond. God bless you and your quest for knowledge and truth! Be well, be safe and be strong!👍✌💙💪😎 + your premise is spot on with the single author theory! I'd be curious to see what you think when you ck it. 🤔😎👍

[@shaunarledge1839]

@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN Now THAT'S CIVIL DISCOURSE, we've forgotten how to talk to each other respectfully. A little empathy and respect does wonders. The level of ignorance is extraordinary. Intelligent inquiry, thoughtful exchange, respectful dialogue/disagreements and consensus =better ideas =just/better society 4 ALL OF US! Thanks, stimulating discussion; hope to hear from you again! Nicely done! Be well!👍😎....

[@ftom1963]

Daniel what you smokin' ?

[@craigkdillon]

This validates what I thought all along. First, there were no stories of outright genocide, that I am aware.of. True, the Sea Peoples were likely locals that have been displaced by war or famine. Trade was disrupted. As disorder spread, so too, did famine and poverty. And, so the ranks of the marauding Sea Peoples increased The end of trade, and continued drought, brought the whole structure of the Bronze Age down.

[@bakters]

I fully agree. What annoys me is "it was a combination" stance which plenty of prominent researchers adopt. Do they know the first thing about statistics? What are the chances that a bunch of unrelated calamities struck all at once?

[@donaldduck830]

"The Sea Peoples" I guess that none of these researchers sitting in their ivory towers have ever heard a large mob of people. It sounds like the sea in a high wind and could very well be the meaning of the word sea peoples. Considering what we see right now with an excited mob running rampant in the streets all over the world, I can very well understand how this could crash the entire civilization. @bakters You ASSUME that these calamities are unrelated. Look up suspicious observers here on ytube. They show how solar activity influences climate and geologic processes and humans. The so-called Arab Spring happened during a low activity phase of the sun, exactly like the 1968 riots and uprisings or the 1989 collapse of the Eastern Block. SO predicted similar happenings for 2020, based on solar activity. This prediction obviously came true. Around 1500BC, the sun was in a very low activity phase exactly like the mini-ice-age or Maunder Minimum of the 1600s AD. This led to a) draught and b) an uptick in geologic activity, causing famine and then civilization-destroying riots. NO COINCIDENCES!

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

This doesn’t prove much, first off, there is still the linguistic evidence which states a separate Greek dialect replaced Mycenaean rather than it being the direct ancestor of modern Greek, and there’s the fact that ruling elite minorities often contributed disproportionately culturally compared to genetically, you need look no further then gallo-romans and Romano-Britons who had little Roman dna (less then 10%) but still for the most part spoke Latin (except for in the western mountains of wales and Elmet), or how much Norman French influence English, despite how little Norman’s actually came, at least compared to the population they subjugated. All this proves to me is that the Mycenaeans were not all killed off but rather assimilated into the culture of the ruling minority, which the later Greeks called Dorians.

[@mns8732]

I have br hair and eyes so what am I doing in Chicago?

[@mccalltrader]

Celt of Canaan Esurix interesting take...my research shows that the Mycenaeans did in fact speak Greek...which is why they are called the first Greeks..an honor the Minoans could not claim www.britannica.com/topic/Mycenaean-language www.ancient.eu/Linear_B_Script/ Do you have a different source to show that Mycenaean wasn’t the Greek languages mother tongue?

[@jamielaframboise8066]

You have the perfect accent/voice for narration thanks for all the free knowledge lol

[@archeewaters]

i'm interested in seeing your travels!

[@zachkrocka9479]

I was hoping for more details on the DNA evidence, certainly more than the dominant phenotypes of hair and eye color so common to the region anyway.

[@KobiGamesYT]

@GoldmanShekelberg Rothsteingruber Don't be like that... you lot are becoming like the 'we were kangz' crew. I'm white and it's pretty obvious Greeks weren't some blue eyed blonde haired gods

[@mere2162]

@GoldmanShekelberg Rothsteingruber We wuz greekz

[@mere2162]

@GoldmanShekelberg Rothsteingruber nut case

[@ozgurozgur2660]

@GoldmanShekelberg Rothsteingruber hahahaha

[@blackadder6897]

Did you even watch the video? What the h@ll is wrong with you people? www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

[@mariazacharatouu7987]

Greek civilization has offered all the the lights for the birth of the other civilizations. For example without Greeks our modern civilization as we know it would be a lot different.Also I would like to continue cover archeological finds from my country Greece.Σε ευχαριστω!

[@duhni4551]

That is very true, i have always been amazed about the fact that we live in the ideal society of people who invented it roughly 3000 years ago. It took 3000 years to build the society they wanted. It also makes me wonder how world will be after the next 3000 years, as the ideals were as important back then as they are now, in my opinion those same old Greek values will be in effect even after 6000 years from their time. Basically Greeks created the very bases of humanity, and any humane and civil civilization are bound to use their philosophy in their approach for civilization. This shows the power of the written word. (Also as a side note, without Greeks we wouldn't have had libraries where all this information has been preserved from generation to generation, most likely we would be in dark ages without them even today).

[@robindesblings7419]

Duh Ni without Greek another civilisation would be great and invent library and other stuff and no we wouldn’t be in dark age today humanity would still progress.

[@duhni4551]

@@robindesblings7419 Actually if we look at civilizations that are completely out of touch from Greek influence, they don't have libraries, they literally lives in tribes without science or any of it. So your argument doesn't seem to hold. The knowledge of modern world is result from Greek's scientific method, which we use even today.

[@robindesblings7419]

Duh Ni could be the Babylonian, Phoenicians or even the celts.

[@duhni4551]

@@robindesblings7419 Nope, and we know that is not the case.

[@Nyctophora]

Thank you!

[@Bdash52]

Awesome vid my man Thanks for that!! (P.s. its iolcos not lolcos i guess its easy to confuse it capital i with l) You 've earned a Sub!!!!

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Lexicon of Greek bears witness to overlay of indoeuropean on Mediterranean substratum. Large proportion of words like θάλασσα, βασιλεύς are non-IE.

[@razisn]

not large proportion. Small but important minority

[@Pier-wy6dd]

At Claes. Your comment is correct. There are quite a few disputed lexical items; however, ancient Greeks blending with Pre-Greeks settlers. See Beekes - Etymological dictionary of Greek.. for a professional response.

[@user-if7lp1bq8n]

Everything you have to know is here; 09:18 ! My DNA Test shows 90% Greek, we are from pellopones, the ancient Mycaens... (i feel that strong DNA every seccond, can`t describe it... ) GEIA SAS FILOI MOU !

[@minimal8187]

These comercial dna companies are a joke

[@chipwalter4490]

This is exciting!

[@user-tt3ir5bw8h]

Congratulations on your excellent video work! I have a question for you: Do you believe the so-called Dorians were a branch of the Illyrians? Thank you!

[@Xagelas]

"Linar A is seen as a form of Phoenician writing" 1500 years before the Phoenicians.. But Greeks took the alphabet from them..? right...

[@dp6003]

Wrong

[@legalvampire8136]

Whether Homer was the 'writer' of the Iliad and Odyssey is questionable. They may have been oral compositions learned by heart in an illiterate age, recorded for posterity because the Greek alphabet was invented not long after

[@filjoncaushi4324]

Legal Vampire you are right. The main events ( like wars ), but also other facts were passed to the next generations through rhapsody songs. Homer's Iliad it is believed to have been written long time after the Troyan Wars. And I think this DNA thing is very questionable to reach accurate conclusions, because people in every region have intermingled with usurpators all the time.

[@josephhellstern949]

I just took that trip two years ago. From Athens Tristan bull and then up to the Dardanelles Straits to Troy

[@haroldarmstrong6288]

Very interesting thank you

[@johnkelly3886]

The location of the IE homeland and the IE language spread is an empirical question, to be settled by the data. In the absence of writing, it is not directly known whether the neolithic farmers of Greece spoke proto-Greek, or whether the neolithic people of Anatolia spoke proto-IE. We must rely on the interpretation of indirect evidence. The general methodology should be one of eliminating the families of theories, associated with a mother hypothesis (paradigme), by showing there is no possible interpretation of data consistent with that paradigme. In our case, the paradigms are the Anatolian hypothesis, and the Kurgan hypothesis. The problem of establishing rules of interpretation is far from trivial. We might weaken logical inconsistency requirement to probabilistic inconsistency. But this in turn might require us to waken the concept of probability. Moreover, it may be the case that insufficient data exists to settle the question. Nonetheless it is fun to discuss it. I take it that the pit graves argument, rests on the claim that pit graves are exclusive, to the Kurgan culture. Is this so? I would like to see a reference for the evidence that Linear A is based Phonocian. I am no expert, but as far as I know Linear a is a syllabary, whereas Phoenician is an alphabetic system. Linear A and B also share some characters, suggesting that Linear B is derived from Linear A, as a writing system. The languages need not be the same, they may not even be closely related. The difficulting in deciphering Linear maybe due to the language being unrelated to Greek, maybe even an isolate. The linguistic affiliations of Linear A may be of little relevance to the Kurgan Anatolian controversy. The eastern European genetic component in the Greek population is consistent with the Kurgan hypothesis, but this need not make it inconsistent with the Anatolian hypothesis. So much depends on how the IE tree is constructed! I know I have an aversion to kings and generals history. The neolithic revolution is such a tempting mechanism for spreading the IE languages.

[@turtleshell9935]

John Kelly I thought I was of average intelligence but having just read your comment I now realise I'm as thick as two short planks 😂😂😂

[@jackbroughton1431]

Mind you the Linear A was before the “Phoenicians,” which was a Classical Greek label for Levantine seafarers and not a uniform people, a people mind you that never referred to themselves as such

[@johnkelly3886]

@@jackbroughton1431 The Phoenician culture arose in the second millenium BCE. The beginnings of agriculture (neolithic) in mainland Greece is about 6800 BCE (seventh millenium BCE.). You cannot assume the people of neolithic Anatolia were semites. I know of no cases of an alphabetic script (of 20 to 30 glyphs) such as Phoenician; developing into a syllabary such as Linear A with several hundred glyphs.

[@jackbroughton1431]

John Kelly yes sir we are in agreement, the Linear A is not Phoenician or Semitic

[@benyovszkyistvan408]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX_CY4KhZsyhgtE

[@dangerdoberman]

I'd love to go back in time to just see these places and what they were really used for and how thy were built and so on. Incredible >:0

[@mkelkar1]

Silver trade on the western route out of South Asia as demonstrated by: Indic rajata Avestan arazata Armenian arstath Latin argentum Celtic argat Greek argyros Anatolian Harki (meaning white) Pointedly Tocharian , Balto Slavic, and Germanic who took the northern route do not have these silver isoglosses. Insights courtesy of linguist Igor Tonoyen Belyayev, St. Petersburg, Russia.

[@ixtaflores3724]

The cadence, accent, sound, diction and inflection of your voice make the narration and the program more interesting.

[@MrEwanc]

I always thought that Minoan linear script was not connected to Phoenician linear script. Particularly as the Linear A script found at Knossos predates the earliest known Phoenician linear scripts, which are dated to around 1050 BC...(?). Any thoughts?

[@lamda4738]

Sounds like simple logic to me

[@fuferito]

Linear B proves that the Mycenaens spoke an archaic type of Greek. But, language use is not always proof of origin. Most who speak English and Spanish today did not originate from the UK or Spain. The biggest clue here (and that's been common knowledge for over 100 years) is burial customs. The Myceneans buried; those who came after cremated.

[@hglundahl]

2:50 I think the oral tradition was the rule for transmitting narrative while there was writing too, since Linear B seems to have been used mainly for tax records - 100 oxen to the temple of Poseidon, etc. It was arguably deliberately forgotten in order to avoid taxation power resurging anything like quickly. And the fact, if not the syllabary letters, was recalled in Homer's Iliad one short backflash to the times of Bellerophon, who carried tablets or staffs meant for the receiver to kill him, and he read, before arriving, the "semata lugra" (dire signs) - sth which tax burdened Mycenaean Greeks may have called them well before Bellerophon as recounted by Homer ...

[@opencarrier8607]

Love it!

[@rizixxx3761]

Ok so if i understand right. The myceneans are Minoans that did not reach Krete so the stayed at mainland greece? And if the myceneans are greeks and the myceneans are also Minoans that means that Minoans were also Greeks?

[@jamesaron1967]

That would be the logical conclusion or 'proto-Hellenic' might be a better term for it, but I'd like to see more evidence. It has already been known the Mycenaeans were early Greeks, so that really isn't anything new. If the DNA evidence also supports a close genetic connection to Minoan Crete, then that would be quite revealing and indicate Linear A might be the earliest form of written Greek. I had always thought the Minoans were a completely different group of people.

[@rizixxx3761]

James Aron Same. I always thought that the Minoans were their own group of people that went extinct from a vulcano eruption that happened in santorini and then eventually gotten taken over by the myceneans. But if we go by the theory that the video shows us, it might have been that the myceneans were aware to what was happening to the minoans and wanted to help their own people but were to late so when they arrived at krete, noone was really left from them.

[@zeus0710]

Herodotus stated that the island of Crete was first inhabited by Carians or Cilicians from Asia Minor can't remember which. Then they were pushed out of the island by Greeks whether they were Myceneans that later were renamed Minoans by modern historians I'm not sure since I know thet got their modern name from their legendary King Minos. After that Herodotus states that after the trojan war the island population was decimated by a plague then repopulated a 3rd time maybe Dorians who knows.

[@jamesaron1967]

@@zeus0710 If Herodotus is correct then the DNA tested must have been from the second wave of colonizers that followed the Asia Minor population. I doubt tribes from Asia Minor would show that close a genetic relation but I guess anything is possible.

[@zeus0710]

@@jamesaron1967 exactly, time will tell.

[@nanabijou62]

Once those steppe people learned to make a wheel, attach it to a cart and strap a horse to it, the clock was ticking on the early hunter-gatherer and farming folks. What woman could resist a dude with a fancy car?

[@Tipi_Dan]

That would be--- the SPOKED wheel.

[@elimalinsky7069]

I'm not sure there were any hunter gatherers left at that point in Europe, except for the heavily forested areas deep in eastern Europe, which were mostly untouched by the Yamnaya migrations.

[@davidburroughs7068]

"Gas, ass or grass, no chicks ride for free" - the motto of social success since 1100 b.c.

[@thorthelionkingodinson4385]

Awesome video

[@worldcitizeng6507]

I had subconsciously touring the Greek history over the years 🙂 as an amateur Athens 2009, 2014. The Mycenean king tomb, Crete Knossos place 2016 Kanakkali near Troy in Turkey 2019. I didn't have time to visit the actual Troy site but it is all pieces of ruins now. I did saw the Hollywood version of the huge wooden Trojans horse display on the beach front

[@BCNlarosadefoc]

I not undestand and no speak english. ¿KZbin puede poner subtítítulos en español de España?. Thank you very much.

[@virgiljjacas1229]

I did watch some of your videos. Keep doing the good job The term " Greek " was not in use until after 1000 AD. " Helenos " was the common term, and in my personal opinion the DNA test results have been covered because it could be offended by many today.

[@lapislazulii141]

Virgil J Jacas why? Caucasian is Caucasian.

[@nightdark2616]

Why would they do that?

[@hisenhasani2979]

Bravo my friend this is the true and reality, but old hellens not exist more, greek state is created with ottomans bulgarians albanians, the people are a mixed in greece

[@beachboy0505]

Superb video

[@Treeman196]

Fantastic stuff

[@JRondeauYUL]

How about the Philistins? We know they shared there arts with Mycenaeans. They were Greeks also ?

[@asd6557]

Yes.

[@diperdik5969]

most of them were of Greek origin.it is proved by the excavations and also by Greek 'mythology".they mostly originated from ancient Crete

[@apo.7898]

Who knows? But I think the translators of Septuagint thought they were from Cappadocia, so possibly related to the so called 'Hettites' (It is a misnomer. Biblical Hettites were a different people).

[@diperdik5969]

@@apo.7898 Modern archaeologists agree that the Philistines were different from their neighbors: Their arrival on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean in the early 12th century B.C. is marked by pottery with close parallels to the ancient Greek world, the use of an Aegean-instead of a Semitic-script, and the consumption of pork. and of course The Philistines were related to Greeks and other Europeans, according to DNA evidence in a study published in the journal Science Advances.

[@apo.7898]

@@diperdik5969 I said that the translators of the Septuagint thought they were from Cappadocia. If you want to respond to comments of other people take into account what they say. I am aware of the study you mention. According to Dionysius of Halikarnassus there were "Pelasgians" (originally from Arcadia) in Italy too before the so called "Trojan War". Essentially, although the source makes a dinstiction between Pelasgians (from Greece) and Tyrrhenians (natives of Italy) it implies that there were expansions of mixed Tyrrheno-Pelasgians east around the time of the so called BA collapse. So, the possibility of a movement from Italy should be taken into account too. But the translator of the Septuagint translated Capthor as Cappadocia. The Philistines of Capthor were from Cappadocia, according to the translators of the Septuagint.

[@campbelldutch75]

How many ads does this video freaking need my god !!!

[@davidmcdaniel1601]

Wonderful!

[@kaarlimakela3413]

This calls to mind part of a documentary I saw of Greek men along the Mediterranean shore 'chariot-racing' in the sand, a very old activity, they boasted ... the carts reminded me of harness racing.

[@SethInSD]

Netflix: "Everyone was black." 😋

[@christopherellis2663]

Arthur John Evans was born in England, yet is Welsh. There are some fine Mycenean pieces in a museum in Kotor, Montenegro

[@mickeymouse1697]

ITS ALL GREEK

[@hoboplay6703]

Peace and love from Republic of Macedonia 🇲🇰

[@conk6379]

Monkeydonia

[@wankawanka3053]

Where is this republic i can't find it on maps

[@koryos4401]

Which new study had been released? This sounds like it is based on Lazardis et al from 2017.