First Achaean Kingdoms - Early Mycenaean Greece (1700-1470 BC)

[@thomaszaccone3960]

These are awesome. Not Greek but I love ancient History, especially Egyptian, Cretan, and Mycenean material. Took a course in Ancient Greek History in the 1960s in College but a good part of this is new to me. I also had 4 years of Ancient Greek. Wanted to read the Iliad in the original. It's awesome. Wish I had kept up with the language.

[@ramirezventura7295]

I like how the narrator speaks

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you, really appreciate it man

[@LuisAldamiz]

Absolutely underrated channel. You make an amazingly good effort at blending prehistory and legend together into a very good reconstruction of Bronze Age Greece. I wish, I'd find your channel earlier, when my mind was sharper (just 2-5 years ago), because this is the kind of stuff I'd love to do if I could make videos.

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you my friend, I really appreciate it! The channel has started a year ago actually, but new content is put on every weekend! There will be a lot more videos on the Bronze Age Aegean and Asia Minor coming up!

[@izabellakozicka5449]

What wonderful videos you are sharing with us. Love it! The history, dates and visuals, maps gives a sense of progression and development in the region! Historymaking sense! Thank you.

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. Really appreciate it!

[@historywithcy5039]

Love the maps, this is a great video!

[@WanaxTV]

Thanks so much Cy, I really appreciate it! I spent so much time creating and labeling my own map. I actually have just about every ancient Greek city location labeled, just made invisible until I need them.

[@ΚώσταςΛιακούλης]

I'm a Greek with great knowledge of the these stuff and I really appreciate your work! I just want to mension that the Minoans are also Greeks - DNA tests of skeletons from tubes from Mycenians and Minoans people, showed that their DNA was completely matching, approximately 70%.Yet, in Greek mythology the Minoans are also mentioned many times, and not discriminating them from the Mainland Greeks as a different barbarian tribe

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you for stepping by. Appreciate your feedback! There will be more videos on the Minoans in the future!

[@lianko2000]

@@WanaxTV the point is to get what he said and change the video if needed not just thanking people. You are making videos about our country here be more careful and respectful. Minoan civilization is still unknown dont jump to conclusions yourself. Whatever you know about them was described by Greeks and Greeks never mentioned anything like that.

[@WanaxTV]

@@lianko2000 I have not disagreed with anything that Kostas said, his points are valid and always welcome. Due to Linear A still being unknown, I accordingly avoid giving any specific ethnic identity to the Minoans other than Eteocretans which was specifically confirmed by ancient Greek sources. If anything, I personally see them as very related to the mainland Greeks, but clearly different to the Achaeans from Mycenae. Also, this channel does not support degratory sentiments. Greeks are my people too and the content here is authentic and result of a lot of effort. You are always welcome to give your feedback.

[@lianko2000]

@@WanaxTV thanks man. You seem reasonable. We Greeks are getting tired with thieves trying to steal our history and identity. There is also an ongoing effort to alter some facts just for the sake of making new conclusions. I dont blame them, we have all the significant history in the world and they cannot stand it. We gave the lights to this world. They should eternally thank us for this.

[@taybak8446]

@@lianko2000 I am not Greek, but I have been in love with Greek myths and history since I was 9. I visited Greece and also Mycenae when I was 13. It was a dream come true. So you can imagine how personally insulted I was when the mentally ill zealots from the BBC made Achillies and Patroculus into Africans on their recent TV series. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09szdtr

[@Joyride37]

I'm loving these videos! Could you link your sources in the description also? What books, journal articles, and websites did you use to make these videos? I'd love to dive further into the topic on my own

[@nikolavasilic2972]

Wow! This is awesome, can`t wait for the next video.

[@WanaxTV]

Thanks bro. The plan is to have them on every Saturday. Next one will cover the fall of the Minoans.

[@mikecavallaro466]

I really enjoyed this video. Nice work.

[@herculianthegreat]

Discovered this channel now very interesting friend i just subscribed now!

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you very much, appreciate it bro!

[@hikeandphoto2521]

Great video, keep up the good work!

[@AloisWeimar]

Man, Great Video ! I would love to see you tackle The Sea Peoples and the broader Bronze Age Collapse.

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you! That’s going to be a big one. Definitely on the radar!

[@viorelpiscanu9425]

What is to Say, except for my congratulations... One of the Best ever ( short) video about Ancient "Greece" , or better Say Aheeians... Best regards from Bucarest ROMANIA 🍀🤗🍀

[@georgianakopoulou6339]

Excellent,fascinating!Thank you!!!

[@WanaxTV]

Thanks for the feedback! Thank you so much for stepping by, really appreciate it 💯

[@ABCshake]

Great stuff! I hope you cover the royal lineage of the Athenians

[@RFmath_]

Can you do a video about the Heracleidae?

[@WanaxTV]

It’s in the works! There might be a whole series of videos.

[@RFmath_]

@@WanaxTV You're awesome man! Another cool one would be a video about Aeneas! :)

[@Massimo2.0-zj1qy]

I like it how you, instead of impulsively claiming that the greeks somehow completely forgot their past as many "scholars" claim, check whether the myths have evidence or not.

[@ilnigromante666]

It's been awhile since I saw content about early helenic history. Great job!

[@gurnblanston5000]

Acheans before Perseans?

[@taybak8446]

I thoroughly enjoyed this informative video.

[@ecurewitz]

Wicked awesome. Full of interesting information. Thanks

[@VickiNikolaidis]

Amazing detailed history! Very interesting and enjoyable! Thank you.

[@TakisTravel]

Wonderful presentation. 👍 Friendly greetings from Greece.

[@sprc155]

Oh wanax, the original greek word for king of kings

[@OccultKenji]

Amazing job

[@peterroberts7684]

There seems to be two Sparta's ,the expansionist proto Imperial Sparta of Agamemnon,and The Sparta founded Lycurgus, The Law giver,which became More introspective,also I Need to understand who or what were The Dorians, and their links to Hercules???,plus were they of the same origin as the Macedonians?

[@gregorygogolev5707]

It was mentioned somewhere that the Macedonians were in fact distant relatives of the Doric Spartans

[@Kampfwageneer]

incredible that we can trace these kings from 1700BC !~

[@cat_city2009]

What sources do we have for Bronze Age Greece?

[@Insectoid_]

Happy new year. 🥳

[@boxscreen8268]

I like you putting cliff from assassin creed odyssey☕

[@strahinjabojovic7797]

♥️

[@WanaxTV]

💯

[@Jackal263]

So, lets clear one thing up. Achaeans was not their name. Nor Mycenaeans. Achaeans is the englification of the greek word Αρχαιοί(Akhae-ee), which is a modern term. Modern day archeologists named them like that because later greeks (of the classical and hellenistic age) called them -ancients- relative to them. So Alexander and Pericles are considered ancient greeks relative to us greeks today, but they considered agamemnon and atreas ancient. In greek ancients is αρχαίοι(arkhae-ee) and by changing the name by removing the "r", modern ppl named them Achaeans so they can understand each other while communicating.. This is very important. Because by naming them achaeans, one might get confused and think they were not greeks or that they didnt consider themselfs the same breed/kind. They called each other by the place they grew up (exp. Thessalian, Cretan) but they knew they were one fraction. So all their wars are civil wars. All in all, when modern greeks say Ancient greeks they mean greeks in the era ofthe Minoans, of Agamemnon, of Miltiades to Alexander and to Constantine the great. But, Miltiades considered ancient the greeks of Agamemnons era.

[@delgado.adrian160]

Yes and no, there are two known exonyms that refer to at least some part of Mycenaean Greece during the Bronze Age. "Tanaju" used in Egypt for Mainland Greece up into the 1340s BC (replacing "Keftiu" used for Minoan Crete), and Ahhiya/Ahhiyawa used in Hittite correspondence starting with the letters about Madduwatta (late 14th or early 13th century BC). There is also Ekwesh, which has been proposed as a reference to the same base Mycenaean word that Ahhiya/Ahhiyawa derives from (although we don't know what that word would be), and used in the 1250s BC for one of the sea peoples, but the link is not proven and it's likely going to stay that way. So we know that at least the Hittites were calling them by something resembling "Achaean" during the last century before the Bronze Age Collapse, what we don't know is what did they call themselves.

[@LuisAldamiz]

The word Achaean, along with Danaoi and Argives are used almost interchangeably in the Illiad, meaning "Greeks". The term is also present in Hittite and Egyptian chronicles (Ahhiyawa, Ekwesh), in the latter case however they use more their version of Danaoi: Denesh. It's not "modern" in any way, modern is "Mycenaean Greece", which is fair enough but has some people sometimes nit-picking about some other city/realm, like Athens, Sparta, Thebes or Pylos, not being in the name.

[@mariobillmeier8175]

Hey,whats abaut Tantalos and Pelops.They came from Paphlagonia in Asia,probably fleeing from expanding Hittite Empire and establisht themself as rulers of Mycine.Pelops conqert the whole Penninsula which was called then the Pelopsisland aka Peloponesos.Coming from Ahisia,Asia,they were called Achijava,giving the Names to the Greeks of their Time.from that came the later Names of Achaeens and Yavanna,aka Ionian.I am missing the Connection in your Artikles although I like them a lot.The heritage of importent Dynastys in early Greece from Anatolya can explain their constant fiendship,open or hidden with the Hittes also.please answer me.

[@sprc155]

Crete has more history than the whole Europe combined

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Big FACTS !!! 😃

[@gurnblanston5000]

Wild!!

[@viorelpiscanu9425]

"Timeo Danaos" ...refering to that legendara horse gave as a gift to Trojans by " Danaos" or Aheeians... They said term Danaos came from Egypt... Anyway Greek is the name gave by Romans...

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

The name Pelasgian means something like people of the sea, I sometimes wonder if they were called this from a distant memory of The Sea Peoples. Of course, we know that Indo-European migrants or conquerors brought the early Hellenic language to those who lived in Greece, sometime before 3,000 BCE. I think the question is: to what degree did the IE speakers displace or kill the previous population in Greece, particularly the males as they did in other places, probably the Pelasgians? There is remarkable continuity of DNA from Minoan and Mykenean era peoples with the current population of Greece, including on Crete. Except for one small population (The Mani) in the Peloponnese, there is no later Slavic genetic signature in Greece, unlike in most of the Balkan region. The ancient Greeks said others were Greek if they shared the same: “blood, Gods and language”. Ancient Macedonia was Hellenized by its Greek Royal Dynasties, especially under Philip II and Alexander, but its population was almost entirely replaced by later Slavic migrants, there is little Greek DNA there now.

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

Great, as always. But, please pronounce Greek names the Greek way. For one thing, C is always pronounced K (the Romans rewrote Greek names according to their preference, of which one was using C for the K sound). Mykenae is said Mi-KEE-nay, and Mykeneans is Mi-KEE-ne-ans. The shift of using C for S sounds in certain cases didn’t happen in Latin until much later and is something English got from the French. Other common inaccuracies are the Latin endings -um for the Greek -on and the Latin -us for the Greek -os.

[@magdapetsi6560]

Mycenaeans are oldest people even from Cycladic civilization .. we have 2 writes from 5200 bce who belongs to Mycenaeans and its in Theshaly .. unfortunatly for you Mycenaeans is the GREEKS with Greek and Latin write ..they existed at Theshaly before from 5200 bce .. so we think that in Argos maybe we have ancient Mycenaeans writes before 10000 bce .. we will search in Argos cause Theshaly people and Macedonians was from Argos and was Mycenaeans ,, Mycenaeans had nation before Cycladic civilization

[@Babis_Barmaxizoglou]

sory about my english.in Amazonomachia the Amazons(PERSEAS=STORY,Yamnayias?-Cucuteni?-Kimmerians?) come from Hellispont to Athens in""ice".the sea is frozen(10000bc),and the King of Athens are Theseus..the same period who Pontos cataklysm have water from Medietranian and the Aegida(story of Aegeas father of Theseus) -Atlandians come under water.the script is the dipilio tablet 5000 bc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispilio_Tablet

[@viorelpiscanu9425]

Naplion the FIRST capital of Newly independent Greece back into 1829... For just few years ...

[@matiascarvalho9424]

Hi wanax. I have a recomendation as a spanish speaker (i'm from Uruguay). I see your video titles are suggested to me in spanish. Idont think that works. No one from a spanish speaking country would watch a video in English based on their generated subtitles. Either You understand English or not. The spanish title may bring some people to the videos that Will clic but then leave as soon as they SEE it's in English. Most of native speakers that watch your videos just know English and consume content in english and prefer to have titles in English for the videos they consume un English. Love your content

[@joanapira365]

Achaean=The ones at the borderline or aside ones

[@dp6003]

European and Middle Eastern Civilisation started in Greece

[@gregorynixonAUTHOR]

Interesting but heavy on mythology.

[@joanapira365]

Lakoni= the tricky ones

[@Jerina369]

Vinca is the oldest

[@joanapira365]

Criasos= head of or the leading one

[@joanapira365]

Agamemnon/Hakamenon=he thinks of revenge or moral or brainy one

[@joanapira365]

Agenor= He who knew his time or fate or future

[@chrisg.k487]

Where did you find these nonsenses 😂😂😂

[@johnbooth1110]

You can still see the Pelasgian face on the streets of Athens they are petite long face and long narrow heads,

[@russianbot8423]

That archway you always show with the lions is from hittite capital.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Thats from Mycenae! They had a similar Archway. This is the Lions Gate in Greece, unless you are referring to something else! If that’s the case, then please forgive me 😃

[@lextube78]

Achaia or Achaea weren't the Mycenaean's,,, the Achaeans used iron swords round sheilds long before the Mycenaean did,,, but they were alias!

[@joanapira365]

Inachos= The tall one

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΒΟΓΙΑΤΖΑΚΗΣ]

Today Malta greece israel turkey Albania Macedonia and surely Italy corsica all those countries have mycenean antiquity

[@joanapira365]

Heraion= our windy one

[@joanapira365]

Apis= the giver

[@joanapira365]

Mycenae= we are from stars

[@joanapira365]

Triopas=the rider

[@joanapira365]

Schyon= the torn one

[@joanapira365]

Midea= the great one

[@joanapira365]

Trochylas=The protector

[@joanapira365]

Pelasgos= the gigant

[@viorelpiscanu9425]

These Polises are both bless & curse of Greece...

[@goodwinter6017]

voice over needs working on.

[@joanapira365]

Dendra= fallen on the ground

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΒΟΓΙΑΤΖΑΚΗΣ]

Pelasgians where not greeks?

[@dp6003]

You don’t know what you are talking about with that statement

[@АнтонПавлов-ц4з]

He is right. Your own authors wrote that the Danaans did not understand the language of the Pelasgians,just like Alexander also studied your language Something unclear?😊

[@dp6003]

@@АнтонПавлов-ц4з Have you heard of dialects 🤔 Also I know the exact site of where they lived , originated

[@joanapira365]

Telchis= The wired one

[@joanapira365]

Tiryns=the protected

[@joanapira365]

Argoi=Golden mouth

[@joanapira365]

Lerna= Us born

[@miguelserrano1398]

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[@joanapira365]

Asine= cant enter

[@Matamumi]

New genetic study done by Dr. Iosif Lazaridis from Harvard Medical School in Massachusetts showed that the Achaeans were present only 4-16% of Mycenaean population while Early European Farmers who originate in Asia Minor dominated 62-86% of the people who created Mycenaean civilization!!! They were not the Achaeans from the Steppe they came from Asia Minor and the Fertile Crescent HUGE DIFFERENCE they were not Indo-Europeans, which was clear before if you checked their artworks and symblogy they have used.

[@dominicjohnson310]

It’s interesting that the Greeks referred to Macedonians as barbarians, isn’t that only reserved for non Hellenic’s? So maybe the original Macedonians were Hellenized Slavs??

[@iwannalavassa5501]

Not exactly ... Macedonians had civilization and wealth!!!!look at the filip's tumb elements..for other reasons they called them barbarians

[@dominicjohnson310]

@@iwannalavassa5501 well the Greeks called anyone who was non Greek Barbarian

[@iwannalavassa5501]

@@dominicjohnson310 I know that but there are more details about that...

[@dominicjohnson310]

@@iwannalavassa5501 also the Macedonians weren’t allowed to compete in the Olympic Games that was specifically only for Hellenics. Most likely Macedonians were Hellenized Thracians and Illyrian’s, which explains why true Greeks didn’t like them

[@iwannalavassa5501]

@@dominicjohnson310 the Father of Alexander the great compete to the Olympic games...

[@charlessturge4911]

It is very disingenuous to present as history, myth, and to gloss over the huge debates about this period to present a single narrative.

[@carlosalegria4776]

Have historians unanimously agreed on anything? This is literally a civilization that collapsed, 600 years passed after its collapse with no history whatsoever, and you're bickering because the man tries to fill in the gaps a little bit?

[@charlessturge4911]

@@carlosalegria4776 there is a reason why archaeologists don't invent narratives like the above, precisely because the evidence is lacking.

[@carlosalegria4776]

@@charlessturge4911 Archaelogists are a bunch of corrupt people anyway. They literally cannot explain geological fact on the erosion of the sphinx. They continue to claim a megalithic structure like gobleki tepe was built by hunter gatherers. The pyramids being tombs of pharaohs is also a made up theory that just gained traction among those circles and they began propagating them as fact. I'm sorry but an appeal to authority to that community means nothing to me.

[@charlessturge4911]

@@carlosalegria4776 Ok sweetie, you believe whatever kooky theories you like and go on believing your google knowledge outweighs expertise. Bless.

[@carlosalegria4776]

@@charlessturge4911 seething little archaelogist detected. Iif you're such an expert, go make videos to spread knowledge. You won't, because you're an elitist snob who shills for hacks in academic positions.

[@ΚώσταςΣιδηρόπουλος-ι5ε]

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[@JJbm4233]

Love the video, but the culture of Malta might actually pre-date Mycenaean Greece….might😎

[@ΚώσταςΣιδηρόπουλος-ι5ε]

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