DeepSeek: US Failed to Stop Chinese Innovation & Now Wants to Protect Big Tech

DeepSeek still continues to dominate the news, and corporate media is scrambling to undermine Chinese tech, resurrecting the usual anti-China racist tropes. On this week’s episode, Amanda talks to Charles Xu of Qiao Collective about these media attacks, as well as what moves Washington has made in the two weeks since its release to try and protect the Big Tech monopolies.
Our understanding of China - and U.S.-China relations - has become a defining feature of all global politics. The China Report is a new show produced in collaboration with Pivot to Peace where every week, journalist Amanda Yee and political analyst KJ Noh will be helping you through all the propaganda with an independent view of the country we are taught to hate, but know so little about.
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[@timleelim9930]

First they accuse you of stealing, then they say they want to steal your engineers who can't do anything but steal in the first place. 😂

[@auiyong]

Now we know UAss is a thief. Not only a thief but also a robber 😢

[@timleelim9930]

@auiyong uh, "now"? 😂 They have great people there still. But like in many places, the government does not always reflect how the people want the country to act. Tech billionaires gotta be tech billionaires.

[@andrewchew29]

Its the cultures of the cowboy. 😂😂😂

[@wzep263]

They do it all the time everywhere. On sportsground, in swimming pools, ...if you win, you dope. If they win, they deserve it, wtf!

[@CryptoRenegade-x3o]

Don't forget the Tonya Harding mentality inclusive

[@petergreen5337]

❤Well done Deepseek

[@johnroberts9922]

So very pro the China's communist government.

[@oceanwave4502]

I'm worried. When the US finds out its isolation imposed on China doesn't work, it is tempting to use the ultimate card: Taiwan. 🥺

[@hopesy12u4]

It's just as shjddy as OpenAi. It wont talk about Tianamen square or the Uyghurs. Just like openAi won't talk about the izraeeli genoSide.

[@henryng9406]

👍👍👍👍

[@krispycool1]

@@hopesy12u4 Have you used it?

[@YudasEskariot-r5i]

Why does America like to interfere with the progress of other countries?

[@andrewchew29]

By all means, usa will NOT allowed any country to be ahead of them. 😢😢

[@YudasEskariot-r5i]

@andrewchew29 What is the relationship? Isn't that the business of each country...

[@andrewchew29]

@@YudasEskariot-r5i you are talking of the cowboy. Histories talk...

[@mafarnsims1563]

​@@YudasEskariot-r5iUS views China as its enemy because it is afraid it will overtake them as global hegem*n

[@YudasEskariot-r5i]

@andrewchew29 It's a cowboy but an invader mentality

[@ChristineLi]

Beautiful interview. Very elated to be able to experience China’s come back as a teacher of nations.

[@JustpissoffTrudeau]

lol . Move there .

[@peterpalov5157]

Even the name Deepseek is better and more meaningful.

[@kikiryki]

Is, in fact, deep-sick 😅

[@miriamcarew5369]

😂 Exactly, China is the Man.

[@Kulutuk-bn4yc]

​​@@kikiryki And... here comes you DEEPSHIT. 🤣🤣🤣

[@jchanmcse]

This name applied to the US/Western world！

[@Georgeklee]

Sounds much better than Open AI which is not even open at all

[@vmas29]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

[@rodneychew9893]

That's Elon Musk

[@whatevahman95]

DeepSeek hires people who think outside the box

[@j-frame]

OpenAi hire people think inside their ass.

[@leoncioco3305]

Impossible to steal technologies your competition or rival don’t have. 🤣😂🤣

[@martduenas]

Thank you for bringing these important discussions to us! More Qiao Collective content please!

[@ericyeo805]

Shame on you, US, for the lousy reactions to DeepSeek who played on your terms. Remember, what’s goes up have to come down after they lose the motions. Learn to be a good losers and compete as it is not the end and, you don’t have to stood so low to win with bullying tactics. Why others can live with the greatest regardless of where they’re from? Think and reflect by looking into the mirror.

[@flhong]

The US only believes in power-hungry. Never has this kind of friend.

[@GuusjA]

Okay, so the user provided a previous analysis of various political and technological issues involving Dutch politicians, AI tools like DeepSeek, and mentions of US-China relations. Now, they're asking for my thoughts on a specific quote from "The China Report" that criticizes Western media's portrayal of Chinese tech, particularly DeepSeek, as part of anti-China rhetoric and protection of Big Tech monopolies. First, I need to parse the quote. The main points are: 1. DeepSeek is dominating the news, and corporate media is using anti-China racist tropes to undermine it. 2. The US is taking steps to protect Big Tech monopolies post-DeepSeek's release. 3. Understanding China and US-China relations is crucial for global politics. 4. The China Report aims to provide an independent view countering propaganda. The user wants my analysis (TH1NK) on this perspective. Let's break it down. 1. **Media Narratives and Bias**: The quote accuses Western media of biased reporting against Chinese tech. I need to consider if there's validity here. Examples like Huawei, TikTok bans could support this. However, are there legitimate security concerns? How to differentiate between valid criticism and xenophobic tropes? 2. **Big Tech Monopolies**: The US protecting companies like Google, Facebook. DeepSeek being open-source and local challenges these monopolies. How does the US government's action affect competition? Is there a pattern of stifling foreign competition under the guise of national security? 3. **Geopolitical Context**: US-China tech war is a real thing. Trade restrictions, semiconductor bans, etc. How does DeepSeek fit into this? If it's a strong AI competitor, US might feel threatened. But China's own tech policies (Great Firewall, data laws) also play a role. 4. **Independent Media Perspective**: The China Report claims to offer an independent view. Need to assess if their critique is balanced or if they have their own biases. Are they downplaying legitimate issues with Chinese tech (e.g., state surveillance, IP theft)? 5. **Impact on Global Politics**: The user mentions that understanding China is key. How does media portrayal affect public opinion and policy? If Western media is biased, it could lead to misinformed policies, escalating tensions. Conversely, uncritical acceptance of Chinese tech could ignore real concerns.

[@franksailor8547]

@@GuusjA It's called dialectics but if one side is obviously accusing the other of what it does itself, it's called hypocritical and bigotry or projection - especially if the allegations can't be proven! Gossiping is low and mean and all we see in western media constantly.

[@ceychungyu7462]

China should not worry " caravan move while dogs bark" US now a small time innovator, plain jealous.

[@janethoward23]

Hi Amanda & Charles, 恭喜发财! Wishing you both Health, Wealth & Prosperity in the year of the Snake. China's tech is unstoppable. The USA just have to accept the reality. From the proud Malaysian Chinese. 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳

[@tonnyww5ng]

Thanks to China's Deepseek for providing the best 2025 gifts around the world. It is OPEN, BEST, FREE, HIGH-performance AI, even the most poorest countries can have it. This is true democracy, benefiting everyone, not benefiting capitalists. Thank you Deepseek, China is cheering, the world is nice to have you.

[@johnroberts9922]

ChatGPT is open source. However its training database is private intellectual property.

[@danielmaggs1048]

@@johnroberts9922 its "training database" is stolen third party intellectual property gathered from across the internet. They keep it private to protect themselves from IP claims.

[@andrewchew29]

​@@johnroberts9922more like love of $$$ big time 😂😂

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Exactly, and this is build sense of trust among the world towards China, which helps them with international economic projects in return. As turns out, you can actually just build fair system and products of ethical dev teams will make people like you naturally, instead of dumping trillions in covert propaganda campaigns like USAID did, sponsoring USA-aligned media all over the world, from BBC to Hromadske

[@zhugeliang3905]

Hats off to China 💯

[@YJPLAPI]

The Western world loves free markets! Well, until someone else does better than they can.

[@frontseated5983]

I really hope the US government don't start banning VPNs as it is one way to circumvent our bans on Chinese apps.

[@ponsyu1951]

This only shows how desperate , envious and jealous the US military govt is , to China progress and development .

[@MarkWinterrowd]

Memo to US govt: stop fighting China, and learn how to govern from Switzerland.

[@nebo1186]

naaah, swiss is no longer like that , after siding with NAFO. and btw its full of analbanian mafia , who are also nafos

[@PrincipalDBA]

As for China produces low quality goods, most goods I consider high quality are made in China.

[@aaabbb-py5xd]

The quality of Chinese products is competitive at every price range; otherwise, the products simply couldn't survive the market. As a result, when people choose to buy cheap, people shouldn't then be allowed to project their own cheapness on to the Chinese. Moreover, seeing what the Chinese can do, the "free world" is now actively trying to prevent China from making high quality products because "democracy", the bloodiest religion of the 21st century, demands it. The dictatorship that is the "free world" demands it. The manifestos of the New Cold War have said repeatedly: the goal is to turn China into a big Singapore, neutered and subservient to the "free world". Where exactly is the freedom in that? So godspeed to the Chinese, its "authoritarian" government, and the "dictatorial" Chinese Communists.

[@jimmydseeker5321]

Deepseek is very much the same as the western AI apps. The only difference is that the western AI apps are over rated and overpriced. Deepseek just simply blew up their overpricing scheme. Which is tyoical of western products.

[@JSW-VPISU]

When they fail in competition, they ban you. “National security” is always the one and ultimate excuse, including on TikTok, 5G, Huawei, DJ, Solar, DeepSeek, EUV, or (sooner or later) toy and underwear, … 😂

[@fongkamkiang6042]

When someone outsmart you, you try to improve yourself to do better to outsmart him and not destroy him. This is an act of barbarian.

[@jchanmcse]

That reminds me of Tonya Harding !

[@Meowbay]

Funny how the human rights issue keeps popping up, while it is not even correct. Per capita, so per inhabitant of the USA versus China, the USA scores way worse regarding human rights violations. Not to mention the fact that they're somehow disregarding the US sponsored, funded, provoked, instigated human rights violations by israel, and by Ukraine, which are on a scale not even approached by ANY Asian nation in history. Even the worst 'human rights violations' people blame China on do not even come near the ones perpetrated by the US in the recent 4 decades. Let’s do a simple comparison everybody can understand: Population of USA: 338 million, imprisoned: 2100k = 0.62% in jail. Population of Russia: 144 million, imprisoned: 472k = 0.33% in jail. Population of China: 1425 million, imprisoned: 1690k = 0.0011% in jail. But even bringing that up seems hopeless in the way stupidity rules over the US government. It's a clown show, pretty much. The first thing they bring up against that is that somehow China does not report its prisoners, or that China tortures its prisoners (so most of them die so soon that the count remains low), it's truly disgusting how they keep twisting the facts in their favor. Just an FYI: In 2023 more police-officers have arrested and shot 'suspects' in the USA than in the whole of China. Consider the scale of that comparison, with 1.4 billion humans in China, the US with its 340 million is scoring higher with that! What a 'free' country the US must be, NOT..

[@wisdomtan490]

The more the USA exert his superiority and hegemony the more nations will start to develop defensive system.

[@jenniferfarber2700]

The China Report is my new favourite already

[@peterchan3889]

Me too

[@ongyewleng4718]

Some CEOs of big tech companies in America have the wisdom to adopt DeepSeek for their products. They will thrive in the long run..

[@fillyjamalama5201]

Thank you Amanda!:)🙏

[@charles_wipman]

Great program again, it's more and more necessary every pasing week.

[@Iosef426]

“OpenAI” wanna ClosedAI

[@Robert_Bob_Bobrob]

Great show!

[@fillyjamalama5201]

Thank you so much Amanda and esteemed & knowledgeable guest Charles Xu!🎉Will definitely check out the Qiao Collective! Thank you!!🎉

[@johnlay3040]

The barbarians can never win.😂

[@AddlyJenesma]

Deep seek #1 🌎

[@linus631]

Great job guys! Keep it up!❤

[@man-hotan9152]

Excellent and well explained!

[@tiger-v8z]

*OpenAI is to open like USAID is to aid.*

[@remaongbatu7821]

Shame on USA 😅😂

[@andrewchew29]

Cowboy got no shame

[@celxoirealyx]

These yanks cry foul fr

[@ablakandalaft8593]

Really interesting, thank you for this interview.

[@tarmotyyri6733]

When you cannot compete, lie, deceive & punish your opponents, just like the U.S. is doing.

[@paulasmith754]

support you

[@UndoEverything]

Amazon, Microsoft, and other US tech companies have already integrated or have started DeepSeek integration into their products/services. If unintelligent USA govt goes against DeepSeek, what these companies will do? It is evident that OpenAI is incompetent and not open AI either.

[@johnroberts9922]

The software code to process training data into a database of information is trivial. The real expense is gathering and verifying the millions of data points needed to train a ChatGPT. Reuters has stated that Deepseek stole the training data stored on on Microsoft's cloud. Nothing in Deepseek's software code is useful.

[@dieterhrabak4947]

what those big tech would do? i dont know about two others, but Microsoft way of kicked its competitors out first offer them money to buy their tech, failing that, MS would offer partnership and try to secure license of that said tech in order to apply ms trademark, embrace, extend, extinguish.. should that phase successfully completed, ms will come with their own solution, and dumped all the agreements signed before..

[@johnroberts9922]

@@dieterhrabak4947 Apple begs to differ.

[@abcxyz3028]

Japan just announced that they will invest billions? and will work together with openAI in satelliteAI if I'm not wrong. 😮 After seeing how much deepSeek costs, it's crazy to see Japan committing that huge amount of money to US. I hope the Japanese people are living in prosperity with all their Govt spending and investments.

[@catrojana3694]

You know USA is losing the battle when they resorted to underhanded tactics so blatantly but their reputations are in tatters. Good job USA, you've done it again. 👌👌👌

[@patjames8930]

America is wasting precious time trying to stop China from displacing them from position of the biggest and most powerful. But it's too late, the train already left the train station baby.

[@imhoteplesage9115]

Nice report guys. Keep it up ! A+

[@UlyaGaniya]

US just cyber attacked Deepseek which lasted 96 hours but Deepseek team managed to thwart enemy malicious attacks with the help from Huawei and 360 team

[@juliettedemaso7588]

Stewart, Oliver, Colbert, etc they're all democrat party infotainment.

[@garrygee-f5v]

Look at the story of the Gunpowder, where in the world , who are using that. Invented in China, by Wei Boyang, known as the '' father of alchemy''. During the first millennium AD. The earliest possible reference to gunpowder appeared in 142 AD during the Han dynasty. Thing are always improving. Some one will make a better version. Some for AI.

[@justindressler5992]

Not too mention how many Chinese are publishers of many of the most significant papers regarding AI out there.

[@al_adin]

Deepseek is superior lol

[@chngcheehwee5433]

Protectionism, us style...

[@theresaleung823]

So sad that the govt has to step in so the us companies don't have to improve themselves & compete! We're all gonna be left to return to libraries to ignore these companies. 🤣🤣🤣

[@AntonyTCurtis]

Scarcity is the mother of invention. If there was no embargo, perhaps Chinese researchers would not have tried to optimise on complexity ...

[@RD-Tech]

why schould someone stop innovations ??? did the world change over night ??

[@LW78321]

Thank you for always sharing the truth about China

[@mikekok]

Great development you've 'here. Go forth n multiple

[@codesleep]

well done to China

[@peterchin6759]

If they cant compete, discredit it. If that doesnt work, raise national security concerns. And even if that fails, outright ban it. This behaviour is expected of the forked tongue anglo saxon imperialist

[@silversurfergw]

You would think Americans telling Chinese they can't innovate would been enough..

[@mranonymous9034]

Intellectual property rights? That sounds familiar coming from the USA 😂😂😂😂😂

[@tiger-v8z]

The real open AI.

[@alexracoon4513]

Where can I regularly find this China Report video, please

[@Arcy0429]

Melanie Hart even has appended Dr. to her name. Whaaat? Just showed how education quality has deteriorated in America. Horrific!

[@dwwd-i4r]

America is always the number one no matter what technology we haven't heard or not.

[@sarahkhan2310]

中国人非常重视给孩子起一个吉祥的名字。其意义重大。它有祖先的姓氏和孩子的名字。长辈们有为孩子预先命名男孩或女孩的传统。母亲怀着孩子的九个月，其意义承载着它的文化遗产，它对伟大文明的继承，让孩子终生践行。这两件事是父母才能给予的。孩子的出生和姓名。因此，对于其他希望采用中文名字的人来说，这是最受欢迎的，因为它与吉祥和有意义有关。祝大家蛇年新春快乐 ❤️🇨🇳

[@adedapoosanyinbi93]

Orange Man speaks with forked tongue

[@fillyjamalama5201]

Thank you for this detailed explanation!:) Hapoy New year of the snake to you too!!!🎉

[@BozesanVlad]

In the mind of US, best way to compete and innovate is to isolate themselves and be left behind, but alone would be number 1 in them echo-chamber :) At least, the rest of the world will evolve.

[@johnroberts9922]

9 of the top 10 corporations in the world by value are located in the US. Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Tesla, NVIDIA, Meta, Amazon, JP Morgan, etc. The US has conquered the world. For the last 70 years.

[@justindressler5992]

Open AI claim about distilling information could also be pointed at all the current AI vendors. No doubt all these companies are doing it. This is why foundation models are so important. Deepseek has its own foundation model 672b. It would be impossible to create that by polling Open AI API requests.

[@jdpartyhat4067]

There is more than one side to this story when one considers that most of the factory equipment shown in the videos of this clip were invented by U S based companies, this illustrates that China's tech is standing on the shoulders of U S innovations. But props to China for the furthering the innovations. In the U S manufacturing innovation has been knee capped by capitalism and greed.

[@charlesewillmore5252]

47:08 Stealing Chinese Engineers😢 in suitcases😂

[@tiger-v8z]

Necessity is the Tiger Mom of invention.

[@dltn42]

It will be beautiful all the world using Open Source AI while the USA companies hold back by politicians, needing to use Closed Source expensive AI 😂

[@madmanjshum]

What needs to be discussed here is not the Americans reactions since the launch of Deepseek. Rather how China should dominate AI ecosystem and wipe the floor with USA AI companies.

[@DL-hu9yw]

How the heck is OpenAI going to rewrite the past now?

[@tlaka]

Please get rid of those You Knows

[@johnkiel1000]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@joegutierrez1725]

AS a Mexican American I trust the Chinese Government and people above tRump and "Presidente Elon"

[@riojoe5156]

They are simply shameless.

[@MichailFeneridis]

I really like the video very informative, but please stop saying 'You know' ....You used it at list 100000 times. No we dont know . That's why we are watching the video :) no offence

[@william2chao]

US should pass a law to prevent China from any AI research. Any Chinese, inside or outside the US, perform research, code, implement AI will face a penalty of 40 years in jail.

[@fredfrond6148]

Josh Hawley wants to ban deepseek. He is executing the brilliant ostrich head in the sand defence. Guaranteed he will make the US tech more advanced than Chinese tech.😂

[@fredkelly6953]

National interests - Billionaire revenue streams.

[@tiger-v8z]

Deepseek. Powered by Sam Altman's tears.

[@tirandaz7612]

The US has never known anything other than punishing whatever ut does not like.

[@nanyanguo1]

great conversation . Another worthy guest who knows the inside out of the tech world that you might want to invite to talk about the topic is youtuber Hunzi .

[@katarinadicamella]

One side produces products to serve the people, another side produces products to squeeze the money out of people... Go figure, what will the people choose ~😂

[@xgonzalez1691]

I downloaded but it say is not available 😊

[@kene4478]

Given the current trends, it is possible that China will soon produce GPUs at a significantly reduced cost, making them more accessible and widely available

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

Saaar? We-lie, We-cheat, We-steal, We-borrow. Loh-Mei aka IOU-country

[@minidish]

The west has blocked deep seek

[@simonlee3776]

Uknow.I dont know

[@jackshultz2024]

I believe that the world should unite against the US and demand that the US comply with its agreements and with international law and should they fail to do so, the members of the international community will each apply export duties on ALL exports to the United States. The behaviour of this dangerous rogue superpower is unacceptable and the international community has a responsibility to rein it in.

[@PietroCozziTinin]

Tell Charles YES WE KNOW!!!! now stop saying it.

[@AshleyMcIntosh-zz7kr]

The US dont believe in competition it believes in control and monopalies.Anglo Saxons we win you loose is outdated in 2025.Win Win is the road for humanity to travel on today. By the way Amanda love the jumper, your looking great, keep up the great work. Enjoy. x

[@jiseokseo943]

Where's ponytail?

[@spectresocom628]

The US-China tech rivalry is part of a larger geopolitical struggle for dominance in the 21st century. Technology is seen as a key determinant of economic and military power, and both nations are vying for leadership in emerging fields like AI, quantum computing, and clean energy. The US views China's technological rise as a potential threat to its global leadership and national security. Conversely, China sees US restrictions as an attempt to stifle its development and maintain American hegemony.

[@shawnwang9832]

谈不上竞赛。有共同遵守的规则约束下的竞争才能称为竞赛。美国显然不遵守任何规则，把大部分精力花在破坏对手发展上，而且完全没有下限。实话说，这种行为只能让中国人鄙视美国，这在中国文化里是令人不齿的行为，会觉得很可悲。

[@ZhaoYun3154]

Yeah, I really don't see how a.i. is supposed to revolutionize the way in which we live. If companies and governments have all of this money to invest into artificial intelligence that is supposed to improve our lives, then why don't they invest the money into programs for humans that can achieve the same goal(s).

[@Cranky_Crone]

Does Jon Stewart think America’s tech industry pays American wages? 😂 They’ve been profiting from modern slavery for years, dude!

[@SeraCha-z2u]

@สวัสดีตอนเช้าครับ❤😅

[@andyfung7513]

Pls slow down on the use of the"You Know" phrase pls.

[@moonsonate5631]

Timestamps (Powered by Merlin AI) 00:03 - US actions aim to bolster Big Tech monopolies amid Chinese tech advancements. 02:17 - Chinese innovation in prosthetics showcases advanced technology and potential benefits for amputees. 07:04 - China's tech innovations challenge narratives of Western superiority. 09:36 - US AI industry faces competition and ethical dilemmas from China’s DeepSeek innovation. 14:52 - US seeks to maintain tech dominance by targeting Chinese innovations like TikTok. 17:32 - US monopolies fear TikTok's proprietary algorithm and its impact on competition. 22:21 - US media criticism highlights concerns about Chinese tech censorship and innovation. 24:51 - Discussion on misconceptions of human rights and innovation in China. 29:37 - DeepSeek's innovative hiring model fosters creativity despite US chip sanctions. 31:54 - DeepSeek exemplifies innovative research through freedom and creativity in its approach. 36:28 - US military influence shaped Silicon Valley while China advanced through strategic planning. 38:44 - US intensifies efforts to contain Chinese tech and AI advancements. 43:14 - US sanctions may accelerate Chinese tech innovation, challenging US dominance. 45:33 - US strategies to counter Chinese innovation are ineffective and self-sabotaging.