Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps

Activist, author and spiritual teacher Richard Rohr presented "Breathing Under Water" in the All Saints Church, Pasadena Rector's Forum on Sunday, March 25, 2012.
For more information on All Saints Church, visit our website: www.allsaints-pas.org.

[@alcoholfree6381]

I’m continually sober for 41 years on 6/26/2022. I love Father Rohr’s book Breathing Underwater. I am helped immensely by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, AA, the Catholic Church, and study people like Richard Rohr and the CAC. This is an uplifting and helpful. Even though I haven’t had alcohol for over 40 years I am now struggling with my addiction to sugar and a lot of my thinking and depressing thoughts, emotions and behaviors. I rely on the Biblical truth that Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of my faith.

[@samdung5630]

Check out Dear Body. Looks interesting for food addiction.

[@maredunmyers6973]

Congratulations

[@stambo1978]

3/28/16 for me. I co-voyage with you on the sugar battle. I turn my alcoholism and drug addiction over to my Higher Power each day but have had a hard time letting this one go. Praying for the willingness to be willing. 🙏

[@cynthiajohnston9065]

If you think about it. A sugar addiction is the transference of addiction to alcohol. Alcohol needs sugar for the fermentation process.

[@sananda4949]

Congrats you have been sober that long my longest is a year and a half while incarcerated and in the free world 6 months is my longest term. A friend recommended me to listen to this man and I do find it very useful....

[@chdao]

I feel so blessed. I have searched for 40 years for a Christian that thinks like me and who could help me to see Christianity in a way that makes sense to me. I finally found Richard Rohr and his teachings. God bless!

[@chrisberry9017]

I have just ‘discovered’ Fr. Richard this evening, and am delighting in his insight! Like you, I absolutely resonate with what he says! I can’t see me getting too much sleep tonight, as I’m searching out his interviews, and listening with utter attention! Indeed, God bless, and God bless you too!

[@theresaggiffin9556]

Black and White thinking in my home, Catholic School X 15 years, the convent, and the United States Navy almost took my life. Thank you Father Richard for your teaching. My heart desires to break free of Black and White thinking forever beginning this second!!

[@denisharon9306]

I love the teaching from ,"BREATHING UNDER WATER"

[@evankardaras9483]

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Thanks so much for this wonderful talk.

[@doloresfoglio1053]

Qlĺ.lpko

[@deandrebit601]

Richard you have already announced you are NOT a member of A.A. or a twelve step program, however you have your OWN experience with a number of the meeting s to recognize How It Works even though you probably admitted you don't know The Big Book Alcoholics Anonymous as well as some of the members, once again you brought forward your own way the very urgent and much needed healing to overcome this affliction from alcoholism in this presentation, so GRATEFUL to have you on Earth, Thank you Richard for carrying this message.....

[@gittekjaerulff9511]

Nothing like the smiles and laughter of a truly transformed person, like Richard Rohr or Thomas Keating, to light up your day and your soul.

[@yobhsiFehT]

Right!? 😄❤️ I’ve often thought this with people like Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama as well! ☺️

[@gmc22340]

love it!!! A Priest who gives me faith again & also uses my Favorite & Only) four-letter Word!!!

[@LA83music1]

Absolutely incredible. Never heard ANYthing like it. Who thinks like this guy? He's wholly unique and edifying on an entirely different levels. God bless him and his powerful, Anointed ministry he lives out every day...

[@noeleenleddy]

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[@promethia3vny]

My exact reaction as well. Then comes the sense that Fr. Richard is refreshingly provocative. What he says and how he says it, in me anyway, propels me toward a response. How can anyone remain safe, motionless, and static after experiencing all this? In common vernacular then, "transformation or bust." Great comment; great insight.

[@bluemagic9531]

Fr. Richard I would love to see you as Pope or President. Until then keep teaching and we'll keep listening.

[@sinethembasibenya2013]

I’m here cos I had a voice tell me how to break free from an anxiety attack. It specifically said I must breathe under water. I was driving and as uncomfortable as it was I imagined myself under a huge body of water and began to breathe in it. The calmness that immediately hit me was so intense that I was so convinced I had struck gold. I went back to my usual life, a few days later a stranger called me asking for assistance with a pitch to the owner of the company I work for. On his profile picture (WhatsApp) was a book by this man, it was titled Breathing Under Water. So far everything he is saying I have been going through, his insights are the revelations I have witnessed myself. I didn’t study philosophy or anything but I began breaking out of the mould a while ago. Love and healing is coming for all you. Receive it and don’t resist

[@lebarosky]

Those of us who are trudging a road believe, because we must, that our lives depend upon our virtue. That is the fundamental truth of it. Alcoholics are perhaps the most spiritually-challenged people on Earth. thus, the Steps are a spiritual path for the remedial level of humanity.

[@passitto86]

It's refreshing and gives me hope to see a church that still supports the program. So many churches are attempting to create their own recovery program. Rather than support 12 step meetings. After I was sober 7 years I was suitable to attend church 😂

[@makaylahollywood3677]

I started attending Al-Anon out of desperation for support & counseling of some kind. After a few meetings, isaod, "this feels like church". Anyone who goes....BELONG. It is incredible. So, thank you Father for your work, your books , your talks.

[@lisapoor5591]

This totally helped me be warmer twords AA. I was tooooo religious!!! Thank you Fr, Richard!!!

[@ryangarritty9761]

Total surrender : I decrease, He increases.

[@rodfriesen4370]

My 12 step program and the people in it, have helped me so much. God bless

[@marrunsslow239]

It was only through the door of Recovery that I found my spiritual homecoming. Richard is a prophet and wise teacher. Organized religion could learn a lot from trying inclusion instead of exclusion, and unitivity instead of dualistic thinking and living.

[@hazeld9211]

Mar Runsslow /,:

[@alcoholfree6381]

He is surely NOT A PROPHET! I always say: I’m not a prophet or a son of a prophet! A fearful thing to be.

[@chrisberry9017]

Absolutely! I can see why many in the ‘establishment’ feel threatened by him. His inclusiveness is such a refreshing revelation!

[@KatiFalk1]

Elegant, relevant, adorable and right on target. I am now off to purchase his books. Thank you Richard Rohr. Choose Love not Fear, how hard is that to accomplish. Bring on the water.

[@alcoholfree6381]

Good luck and love dear friend!

[@misskat7437]

Read the book, it's life-changing! I love how he keeps it real, and encourages people to be inclusive and that WISDOM leads us to knowing how God thinks and experiencing TRUE sustainable transformation, not education by itself!

[@j4unumber1]

One aspect of healthy spiritual practice involves increasing one's awareness -- particularly the role one's ego plays in one's daily activities. The idea is to restrain one's ego or, to put this another way, have one's ego play the role as seldom as possible.There are many other examples of healthy spiritual practice as well. The idea is to grow spiritually in a positive manner. This process is neither passive nor automatic; but active requiring patience, learning, self-discipline, among others

[@watsonfc]

Excellent view on the depth of God's wisdom and knowledge

[@MrJesusfaguilar]

The message must come from the heart and Father Richard is an excellent communicator

[@kevingreaux7133]

The message must come from the truth of the bible. Not what Richard Rohr thinks.

[@kieske100]

if you know addiction you know it is true! God is the only way! Thank God and Bill and Bob for giving us the 12step program

[@DavidReillymedia]

Bob was a Freemason, and Bill was a Heretic. Fuck them and fuck AA. Don't be fooled!

[@joewhlm]

Davy Crockett It is not very nice to use the F word! Perhaps it would be better to simply say, that if you follow the religion of AA then you can not follow the religion of Jesus Christ. OR, heretics lead people away from Jesus Christ. Or Freemason's are anti Christ. Other than that, I would just say that this Richard guy is simply vulgar and very much disrespectful toward truths like transubstantiation and the fact that God is male as Jesus Christ is male...NOT FEMALE.

[@augustinehourigan7453]

Davy Crockett Oh what a noble mind is here....

[@sharonpeters2262]

I'm sober today b/c 12 steps works & I work it.

[@sebastianxavier3637]

God: Is the answer in all facets! I am not saying this to offend you... I believe that for some, Bill and Bob are not the gurus to God for everyone. God's knowledge expands with time, science, religion, psychiatry and medicine. Let us, please, be open in allowing humanity to find recovery through the sources that communicate to each heart.

[@kathymoser7273]

Re-reading Father Richard's book, and it is an opportunity to grow spiritually, now before the start of Lent, truly a wonderful gift from God. Thank you Richard, and All Saints Church for sharing this lecture on you tube

[@johannesnicolaas]

Thank you Richard, you made my smile bigger and bigger.... especially after the 20;00 part, and I am also battling with addiction. So not laughing of someone else, just about me... Pace et bene, René

[@katherinehempel8394]

Study of twelve steps side by side with the Sermon on the Mount is eye-opening.

[@alandavis]

It is a wonderful thing to watch someone come alive with the Sermon. It usually happens during a "deep and weighty" Step 5 when the transformation from "belief in God" to "experience of God" occurs. Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount" unpacks the experience beautifully.

[@Scott-hr7bn]

God still hates the occult.

[@Scott-hr7bn]

God still hates the occult. Bill Wilson's religion cannot save anybody.

[@floridalife215]

he is a friend of recovery. thank you.

[@lindalasley1734]

Relevant forever❤

[@megfrattarola7030]

Richard totally inspires me. His teaching about the “bread” to feed the people, not always to glofiy a higher source.

[@NorthernMigrationTravel]

Everything we do should be to glorify God, if not, then we are trying to glorify self which is sin!

[@neliborba101]

That is anti-catholic. This man is a wolf.

[@beckypete100]

Do it all for the glory of our wonderful Lord!

[@augustinehourigan7453]

12 steps "do not work for me!". The 12 steps are work that we do!!!

[@glenjowers3967]

You need to put the action in

[@ryanpford77]

The 12 steps never worked for me either. I Had To Work THEM!

[@joemartin8496]

what a wonderful introduction...good on him

[@ragnarrthorsen2792]

Helps massively with my step 1 and 11. AA 4 months.

[@augustinehourigan7453]

That is your experience Mick L. I read the Bible and I practise the 12 steps as well. This is working well for me thank God

[@maximonebe6640]

Great message Fr. Rohr

[@trex2ful]

Freedom from the bondage of self!

[@dariomilkovic4848]

what a wonderful lecture.

[@con1709]

Thank you very much I'm not an addict and I have done the steps there christain tools for life so easey and simple and I love the holy eucharist love the talk lindax

[@danieljohnson8279]

Richard your on the right track ~ you got your work cut out for you for sure, ❤️☮️👻

[@AndysBrainblog]

I love the facial expression of the dark-haired old lady behind Richard

[@michaelramkumar6254]

Agreed lol

[@JoshuaAdamBowlby]

My heart goes out to those who could not build a container soon enough and are hanging on for dear life, my prayers, and heart goes out to all thos people, men or women

[@aahhhyess]

Richard is a favorite speaker of mine!!!! thx for upload!!! : - )

[@circulationsolutions9149]

I love how true the words are and how difficult it is to convince others to think from other perspectives.

[@timfogarty6637]

No

[@gr82brees]

Thank you for sharing - this is brilliant!

[@michaelpond813]

The greatestectirer a d Christian to give introspective insights into Christ's true message of love.

[@-linus1688]

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. -Jesus

[@sharonpeters2262]

Christ in me, I in Christ.

[@hiileighjones6913]

I had a dream last night, that I was overtaken by a large wave in the ocean, I then swam to the top effortlessly.

[@peterflynn6200]

Look for the similarity's not the differences 🙏

[@jazzboo8671]

Listened to yhis twice in 2 days .. thank you x

[@fonniehufkie1636]

This has certainly been my experience so far

[@j4unumber1]

This is a great website! :-) Thanks so much for posting it. It is extremely informative.

[@thuberdug]

fr. rich...excellent sharing!!!...does a fine job of synthesizing recovery philosophy & christian teaching!!

[@jeffpatrick2537]

A true prophet. He said decades ago that the oppressed will become the oppressors and we are seeing that happening right now

[@augustinehourigan7453]

The 12 steps are 12 propositions of proposed action! When a person DOES them, he/she experiences 12 promises within his/her spirit. ( page 83/84 Big Book ) These promises are gifts within him/her and they become new qualities and graces to help him on his /her spiritual walk.

[@clareryan3843]

Fr Richard, I completely love your teaching😁🥰 and I Love You🥰 and I remember seeing you in CHCH Aotearoa NewZealand and how extraordinary you were - but I also saw you walking back through the reserve behind the conference centre at lunch time and I saw a broken man at the edge of his reserves holding the slivers of his self together by desperation and sheer hope. I COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I SAW ON STAGE 20 MINS LATER - certainty, passion, compassion, wisdom, authenticity, sincereity😳 HOW??? I did not think you actually were good😐 I thought you needed every prayer and healing I could send😐 and I was very very sorry for the place I could see you were in😐 Every life is a work in progress, at every point in that life, every time, for all of us😁 SO HARD😂 So true🙄🥰 you do good👍

[@LincolnBevers]

vital spiritual experience

[@LaureanoLuna]

I'm amazed at his markedly dual thinking, neatly distinguishing dualistic from nondualistic thinking, catholic from noncatholic confessions, etc.

[@futuristiclettuce]

+Laureano Luna Non dual thinking has nothing to do with pointless modern tolerance of opposing ideological positions. It's about blending the internal and external worlds. Your mind imposes itself on the world all the time. The first step in non dual thinking is to allow the opposite.

[@joseph4861]

+Laureano Luna blubbedy blub blub!

[@Ayinde2853]

I hear you Laureano. I had the same thought. But I am drawn to the disclaimer he made when taking questions. That one can be both a part of the system of dualistic thinking, and see beyond it. That both can happen would be a consistent way of thinking non-dually. What about acknowledgement of both? I think he gives that at one point in this vid (about 35min in).

[@jonadkisson6886]

Thanks Richard!

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN

[@belahatvany]

Thank you Richard!

[@paxnorth7304]

35:50 this is a key point. Not a Disney naivete, but truly having confronted the Dark. Which as we know, does not comprehend or overcome the Light.

[@carolinenorman2654]

Acceptance (the key to peace)the twelve step program

[@SalvaTerraVision]

Wonderful

[@rosiethebear300]

Finally! A priest who actually understands what Jesus was trying to teach and which even the ignorant council of nicea couldn;t figure it out and so to this day most christians see this superficial image of God which they think they know by someone telling them stories every sunday. They don;t even understand that to be a christian you are to to try and emmulate Christ.

[@bilbobaggins5815]

Athanasius wap hardly ignorant.

[@misskat7437]

Actually, you have to pray for the majority and be a living example. Remember that the ego is inherently selfish and makes it difficult for people to allow God to do the necessary inner work. It truly takes something something divine, for people to allow God to gradually change them over a lifetime. Don't just be impressed because 1 priest understood it. Live out God's instructions!

[@mgkos]

William Oarlock Christ’s character not his personally. Moral development isn’t about something as superficial as personality.

[@mgkos]

Bilbo Baggins wap ??? White Anglo Protestant or something else?

[@dfrenchorn]

I was raised in NC as a church of god/prentecostal. My pastor had been born and was a practising lutheran. He met a preachers daughter and then converted. He is the closest thing to F. Rohr I have ever met. The only person I've met I can feel safe saying is in the second half of life and also a christian. .. That being said how I was raised by my fam etc. We *are* taught to emulate christ. But we are taught to do that via purity and chastity and self loathing. To be a perfect servant. Patanjali talks about how the seed of suffering is from the tendency of the self to reflect itself into the world. I think that the people I grew up around tried their very hardest to remove the ego from their awareness, instead of trying to understand what the self truly is. But by doing so, they weren't aware of how much they protected the identifications they had made, making them equate ego death with experiencing sin......... .. From that I learned as long as I don't allow my identity to overwhelm my consciousness. I will as Heb 4;16 go *boldly* before the throne of grace, that i may obtain mercy. To me the bible teaches apophatacism. Basically instead of looking for the needle in a haystack, burn the haystack...... And when you find the needle, the true self, and you have burned away the hay, the identifications and wrappings of the intellect etc... then one is truly emulating christ. .... But I don't think I could have done that without experiencing its contrast #WeLoveYouSophia

[@paxnorthwilliamson2689]

"Nothing wrong with doing it to the bread..." :)

[@priezt644]

This teaching amazing!!!

[@sharonpeters2262]

Christ in me I Christ. That pardon and favor!

[@Stereostupid]

When Richard approaches the podium at least lower the 🎤 mic for this legend!!!haha short stack but what a pile of dynamite this man is a spiritual force of nature!

[@Pagingnursejackie]

Very Inspiring!

[@peaveawwii1]

One day I farted and it ran down my leg. I was at the pool and let it dry. It was a very memorable moment. I did not wash it off for two days. That is how one becomes spiritual. Simple natural but out of the ordinary. Please try it.

[@danieljoseph872]

1 Timothy 4:6 - If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

[@danieljoseph872]

God the Father + Jesus Christ + the Holy Spirit = Triune God. Thy word is truth.

[@Mika-El-]

Why you equate Christ with Jesus the man?

[@Success4u247]

They suggested to me that I had low self esteem, but I thought to my self if that was only true, because I had NO esteem, no value of me, no mass for me , so I operated out of the reptile brain. That was 35 years ago , NOW I ACCEPT THAT GOD LOVES UNCONDITIONALLY,

[@2ndpersondancing]

Felicitations for finding your freedom! Hallelujah!

[@ragnarrthorsen2792]

I'm in a certain 12-step program and get slayed at times for being Catholic. Thanks Fr. 👍

[@angieperrodin5905]

I truly believe when you have Jesus Christ in your life you will see everyone in love Even when it’s hard to make time. I feel this is a little bit belittling my Savior Jesus Christ. His name the name above all names and of course we grow daily if we’re not then it was just an experience and not a change of life.

[@belahatvany]

Find yourself, your half the way to God, loose yourself and all the way is trod

[@BravedaveNL]

If I understood it right:>>> "we can't be satisfied with merely overcoming the substance addiction" I tried to quote him in the 16th minute . I like that saying :-).

[@acmcbride-olson9320]

Ten years later, and with all the water under all the bridges societally and politically, as well as pandemic-wise, of the last decade, I’d say with a sad heart that it’s more likely a much higher percentage of the conservative churches.

[@jackieann5494]

"...choose you this day whim you will serve ...."

[@jameshurst8529]

Jackie Ann, how are you doing?

[@ascent7]

"gravitate to thinkers who make me free " Amen.

[@MohitSharma-nl4oe]

Being a hindu I know what it is I have studied in my history book that this process is called baptism in christians and the priest who are doing this with other people are taking care because it is part of their religion

[@dickturpin2035]

'There is no hell.' - Richard Rohr. Check out the sayings of Jesus.

[@sebastianxavier3637]

I am indeed inspired by much of what Rohr has to teach. He calls the Church to see the hidden. However, even after the eloquence of, Breathing Under Water, I still see shutter at the prospect of the 12-step World and see it as being a plague over a path. It was all I knew at one time. New concepts were introduced to me, and they were so much more effective in healing the underlying causes. Breathing Under Water is a book I put to the side. The romanticized 12-step System is taking lives and still comes into treatment centers as the absolute truth--a counter to the very ideas of Freedom of Religion and Expression. Can we see a day where theologians of Rohr's type venture into the new modalities of recovery? Breathing under water is something so many are doing. They are waiting for the oxygen being cut out by the 12-step monopoly.

[@chirpieone9193]

Yes, yes! We understand so much more about addiction now. Twelve step programs support the "you will forever be diseased" model. That is just not the case. The non- profit, no charge, easy to access and community support aspects of the model are wonderful. If only they supported people's deep healing and letting go of their addictions.

[@maryannscanlon8655]

I’d say it’s the drugs and the alcohol that are taking lives, as well as some big egos. No one said it was easy. Please don’t throw out the baby with the bath water

[@alcoholfree6381]

The program of AA came straight from the Oxford Group created by Frank Buchman. This is all in the history of AA. There is a great book on that titled Writing the Big Book. It is also important to know that most of the World hates God, sin, “religion”, and they really detest the Catholic Church, a Protestant speciality! Do not tell “normal folks” that you’re an addict, alcoholic, or any of your other uniqueness. Almost no one is acceptable. There was only one perfect man: Jesus Christ and look what they did to Him. Thank for this video.

[@Merle1987]

This guy's teachings kind of remind me of Buddhism.

[@johannesnicolaas]

Yes! you know why? If you go deep enough you can see that the great spiritual leaders are talking about the same thing but from a different perspective.

[@TheMindfulProfessor]

+johannesnicolaas - good insight, I just completed a VIpassana meditation course and also practice Centering Prayer and there are many similarities at the core.

[@emilybrown5229]

Thats because he is a heretic to true Catholicism!

[@lisaswaboda3127]

Meditation and contemplation both require deep levels of stillness and silence. The difference is that we, as Christians, also get to hear the Trinity throughout our days and nights too in ongoing personal conversations.

[@epicstyle4657]

@@emilybrown5229 if he is a heretic he seems to be more on the right track than some catholic leaders......so idk what heresy you are pointing to....all i see is goodness and logic Stupid pharisee hypocrite

[@marke.anderson1072]

What I'm saying is that I'd rather follow Fr. Rohr's guidance in following Jesus than yours.

[@j4unumber1]

Thank you so much for your reply Mick. A few things: Eckhart Tolle: I heard, from my internship, that he is an author. Nothing more than that. Richard Rohr: Never heard of him until I watched this video two or three days ago, can't remember when (sorry about that). Evidently, he is both an author and a franciscan monk. Both charactersitics intrigue me. John Wheeler: I have never heard of him. Buddhist meditation: There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING "New-Age" about that at all.

[@Omnipresence101]

🙏

[@vladimir1341]

Jesus says " Look at the lillies they neither toil nor spin". Learn to still the mind from looking at nature. Fear then is replaced with Love.

[@angelgirldebbiejo]

The churches can learn from the AA.......Love is where it is .......

[@kragghlfx2000]

try to get them to see it..lol

[@howtowncowboy]

The Big Book exhorts the alcoholic to "...be quick to see where religious people are right." I'm glad that I started to take this admonition seriously after a while. I wouldn't say that I was "quick" to do so ( 11 years, Oy vey!) However, since I came into the Church, my life in recovery and my religious spirituality have enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with one another, and therefore ultimately with the God who gives such meaning to and freedom in, my life; the God who brings us back from the brink and whose enduring grace not only sustains us individually, but radiates all the more powerfully into others' lives. Most in the pews are not dying to the point of urgency to a spiritual solution. But most I know in the Church are so much less self-absorbed, more generous with time, talent and treasure than so many in recovery sober for decades. While all this s only my experience, I do hope that I never become again so arrogant to think that 12 steppers have all the spirituality needed for humankind in their back pockets ; still less that organized religion has somehow therefore become irrelevant. God bless you all, and God bless Fr. Richard Rohr.

[@marke.anderson1072]

Not sure how you figure Fr. Rohr is any of that, if you do. I've been reading his meditations for years; and, he seems to be much more interested in our relationships to others, in helping us on our journey towards loving others and helping others, than he is in promoting himself. Christianity has, IMO, way too many folks throwing Bible quotes of condemnation and far too few reminding us to love unconditionally.

[@lavanyayolande1]

Yes, I had a sense that his usage of the term seemed a bit off and you managed to put your finger on it!

[@danteclophia6853]

Richard your king is here You will be meeting with me

[@elmernadiemushumanski7705]

Richard Rohr

[@amandaraymond9488]

A vary good speaker from AA, Tom B. dose a wonderful talk about emotional sobriety. You can do a KZbin search "Tom B Emotional Soberiety".

[@jameshurst8529]

Hello Sara, how are you doing?

[@jordonbennett4194]

A men 🌲🙏

[@danieljoseph872]

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

[@Newton14alan]

09:00 -- "It becomes sort of obvious once you say it...You don't even have to prove it to people."

[@sugarpump]

Where the heck have you been, Richard Rohr?? You are amazing!! Wish I had you in my Catholic upbringing. Need to hear you more. Do I have to move to ABQ?

[@maryannscanlon8655]

Me too. Have always described myself as a recovering Catholic. This is a message I can get behind .

[@danieljoseph872]

2 Corinthians 10:12 - For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

[@owl6218]

the first question, is it, "are you judging the catholics as judgemental?"