IRELAND: Post match press conference after loss to Boks at Loftus - Andy Farrell & Peter O'Mahony

[@sounddoctrine-eph611]

As a South African 🇿🇦 great respect to the Irish team. The post match interview shows a no-blame attitude and respect in the loss.

[@EolasColas]

Must be a strange one to see as an SA fan😅

[@RTS1980]

​@@EolasColasReally? 😅 South Africans know the meaning of persecution mate. Black and white.

[@RTS1980]

Losing will always be a part of winning🫵

[@paulheenan8785]

fair play sa. best team one. respect 🙌

[@carterpaul2688]

@@paulheenan8785thank you

[@suewindsor5196]

You've got to give Andy Farrell huge compliments for the way he answers some of the difficult question he is asked.🏉🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@user-lv7ec5ox4x]

Was at the game, met some Irish supporters. Such great people…

[@user-gp5vw5dv3z]

Andy Farrell conducts himself absolutely brilliant at these press interviews

[@noeloleary3157]

Still can't speak english correctly viz. 'we was'

[@kriekbekker8134]

Well done Andy. Respect as a South African for your professional conducts during this Press Conference. It underscores why we have such respect for you and the Irish team. Great game and great to be having you compete with us for the Top of the Ladder.

[@lazykeoh12]

👏👏

[@maryobrien6840]

@@kriekbekker8134 The respect goes both ways, SA are a class act

[@steff271]

Andy is so poised and cultured. Well done lad.

[@CaptNeeda]

Cultured 😂

[@raymondmather3442]

I hope that filters off to the Irish media , lost if disrespectful comments come towards the boks many uncalled for , the boks are the pride of our nation so kindly respect the people’s team , we know everyone hates us we get that , and well done Ireland you played a great game

[@noeloleary3157]

Culture!!!! 'we waz' - i'd say he could'nt spell the word 'culture'.

[@itistrue101]

I think you're confusing poised with the early onset of CTE

[@ashleigh3021]

@@raymondmather3442No there’s no disrespectful comments, South Africans are just extremely sensitive and obsessed, particularly with Ireland for some reason.

[@maryobrien6840]

Well done to both teams, on a great spectacle of rugby, our Irish lads did us proud once again! 🇮🇪

[@johannblignaut1966]

Agree🇿🇦Either side can win in Durban.Really hope Casey is ok.

[@wernerkruger2282]

Absolutely, I would have said nothing negative if you pulled that win back, which you almost did, to score that try 2mins before time to still have time for kick off was class. I think Ireland has really created a GREAT brand of rugby and from my understanding the systems are in place so that you can at the very least try to keep this level for the foreseeable future, which is just awesome for those of us who enjoy good rugby.

[@TFARM56]

🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦. Well done to the lost which explains WRC in a nut shell .SA lost on purpose to give Ireland hope of making one just one semi final in the WRC .its 2024 now since the beginning of rugby NO WRC SEMI FINAL 😮😮😮😮 .ASK PETER WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE THAT?? ITS REALIZATION OF PURE CHAMPIONSHIP POWER ..IRELAND AINT EVEN BEATING NZ .AUSTRALIA WILL BEAT IRELAND

[@douglasdejager8450]

As a Bok fan I am immensely impressed with Ireland. They put us under real pressure at a fortress ground.

[@riaansnyman8747]

Ferrel is class … Ireland played with heart ❤️

[@FishEagle777]

Soooo much respect for this Irish side and coach..

[@ConorOLeary-rl4bs]

Well played to the Springboks, deserved win but we put up a good fight and that makes me very proud.

[@lydiapotgieter7867]

True that. Thank you for coming to play in SA. Much appreciated.

[@Pooler29]

What do you mean you put up a good fight... You almost won the bloody thing. We were bricking it for 80 mins.

[@ConorOLeary-rl4bs]

@@Pooler29 well that makes it a good fight lol. I appreciate the fact our boys could have that effect on you when playing against a team who always bloody wins lol

[@emilegalexander]

South Africa also deserved the win...

[@Pooler29]

@@ConorOLeary-rl4bs Can't wait for the next test. I don't think there will be many blow-out scores or results between these two sides as we have much shared rugby "intellectual capital".

[@douglasdejager8450]

Ireland was immense tonight. Well done to them. Respect.

[@kiwibanterfan2215]

As a Kiwi watching.. well played both teams. Thought Ireland were fading towards the end however they stayed in the fight. How can u not love Andy Farrelll... what a coach and a man. Gracious and level headed. For a Pom.... he breaks the mould..LOL

[@tjobrien8436]

He's a Pom from 100% irish background. As is the case with half of the north of England. Just look at Liverpool. May aswell be part of Ireland. Great fella Farrell

[@Davidvx1468]

Peter O'mahony looks like he's having flashbacks of that bombsquad coming on lol😂....but credit to Ireland...neither team were at their very best, both will be stronger next week.

[@davesmith826]

Damnit! You beat me to it 🤣

[@Davidvx1468]

@@davesmith826 😂

[@johangrove7342]

Ireland are a very good team, they scored better tries than we did, their fullback was awesome and so was Doris.

[@jadenphilander8799]

​@@johangrove7342But remember, they have built this team for years...we are on the rebuild with a new attack and defence coach.

[@elfmackelfmack]

I I would say he more upset with the TMO than any bum squad coming on

[@sachinbangaru737]

Yara these Irish boys can play rugby.

[@hopeaguero7460]

I wonder why they never won RWC?🙄🙄🙄

[@LindilechristopherMgqobele]

remember one thing that Champs always find a way out in each and every situations.

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

@@hopeaguero7460would you stop

[@kcahill2777]

@@hopeaguero7460 because we really didn’t have a team until about 15 years ago . When I was a kid I didn’t even know Leinster and the rest of the provinces had a rugby team

[@scran7346]

What does yara mean? Thanks

[@yazeed1016]

I'm all the way SA and we deserve the win, but these boys are made from the same cloth. Unlucky gents.

[@kimkaans1072]

Ireland, what a team of legends... from a springbok supporter🎉. For the love of the game...!!!

[@doctor1011]

Hats off to Ireland 🇮🇪 unbelievable talent and strength in their side, both teams not at their best but happy bokke won. Kolbe what a player 😁

[@maryobrien6840]

@@doctor1011 Agreed, congrats on the win SA 🇮🇪

[@cl0udbr3ak]

Claas from both men. Well played Ireland. You are everything people say about you. Looking forward to a even tougher game next week

[@markcrossman3356]

Two great ambassadors for the sport we love. Respect from Bok supporter

[@madeleineengelbrecht5569]

Well done Ireland! My dear Dad was full blooded Irish and I am South African. You guys were the better part. ❤❤❤

[@shaungrobler2993]

Andy you’re a proper gentleman mate, big respect and what you’ve done with Irish rugby has only made the game better! Big respect mate

[@jphavenga734]

What a great Irish team! Great players, great coach, humble lads. As a boks supporter, love them❤

[@Thetruthshallsetyoufree-]

As a Boks supporter i respect the Irish players,they held up pretty well,i think its going to be an even harder game for the Boks in Durban.

[@WayneCalsen]

Ireland nice played from a springbok fan.

[@DrissZyani-bu5mo]

But always losing 😂😂😂

[@Frank-dr9tc]

@@DrissZyani-bu5mofirst time the boks have beaten them since 2016

[@lydiapotgieter7867]

​@Frank-dr9tc Boks not beaten Ireland... we respect Ireland.

[@Pooler29]

​@@DrissZyani-bu5mochop

[@tjobrien8436]

@WayneCalsen Thank you. Still think we'll lose again next week, though. S. Africa just a step above us. We really need to blood a few new players aswell. O Mahony was a super player, but ues absolutely gone at this level. Izechukwu for me

[@DivinaeMisericordiae77]

Andy Farrell is true class and probably one of the hardest rugby league players I have ever watched!!

[@BaDpAnDa591]

😂😂Man these games in the last minutes are going to end of me

[@corneliusdejonge9068]

Agree. Huge respect for Ireland.. Being a Bok supporter of course...

[@DirkJansen1982]

Gained a tremendous amount of respect for Andy because of this interview. Very balanced, fair and truthful.

[@eugeneduplessis140]

James lowe created 3 tries (one disallowed) but his game play on attack and defence is second to none... Most dangworus player against the Springboks imo. Not just skills but also a passion to get the backline going.

[@raymondmather3442]

Thank you for your respectful comments, great coach great team , it was very personal match for us , record hopefully set straight, and game two should be a cracking match the best two ranked teams playing the game we love

[@kitdyer8968]

Gutsy performance from Ireland 🇮🇪 facing a Goliath battle well done 👏✔ got my respect for the Irish

[@yorkymc]

Always love listening to Andy in post match ,it is what it is Ireland is a class Team win or lose ,the play was great for me thank you LADS

[@stevenwortrich6014]

Andy, a class act..Just like his team

[@Lostduke_]

moaning about calls when your team was mid isn't class...

[@Balk777]

@@stevenwortrich6014 andy is such a typical pom....it's the gentleman's way to say they deserved to win but 🤣

[@EolasColas]

@@Lostduke_he should just do an hour long video 😂

[@user-vw7uk6uf1g]

Huge respect to Ireland from South Africa. You're an incredible rugby team.

[@johangrove7342]

Cheslin just never gives up he did it again today, what a gem.

[@colinjamieson6065]

gentlemanly Mr Farrel

[@UlrichHoltzhausen]

Bok fan. I like Andy. He is always reasonable and measured in his responses.

[@derikmocke634]

South African here. How can you not like the Irish. So much respect

[@maryobrien6840]

@@derikmocke634 the respect and admiration goes both ways, SA are one class act!

[@user-du8em2xq5c]

The two best heavyweight teams in the world 'throwing punches'. On the day any one of those teams can win

[@africanmamba1021]

I feel like James Lowe played immensely tonight , he was so goood , that lineout save was incredible … they really have a lot of positives to take away from this match I feel . The coaches should be too hard on them … within 7 points of a very rusty boks squad is a huge achievement for Ireland … come on lads bounce back for next week # zombie

[@64jkn]

☘☘☘and we disallowed two tries !!!!

[@kiwibanterfan2215]

@@64jkn we should never have allowed James to Leave NZ...such a talent..Irelands gain. Same with Gibson Park and Bundi Aki...pity all the money is in the Northern Hemisphere.

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

The game could have gone either way … James Louw’s error was costly .. South Africa’s 1 st win in 8 years … Ireland should be proud of their team.

[@derekallan1341]

3 matches in those 8 years. Get a life.

[@mariannugent3179]

We are all immensely proud of our boys🇮🇪

[@vladtheinhaler6579]

Great game but the Boks edged it and deserved the win. Ireland looked down and out and I was really worried when the bomb squad came on but somehow they fought back and pushed the Boks all the way to the end. Very few teams out there would be capable of that in Loftus against this great Bok team so that was indeed very pleasing from an Irish point of view. Both teams have some tweaking to do in the coming week which sets up the next game as a potential classic. Bring it on!!

[@theDudeknows]

Ireland is worthy competitors. Right up there. The best Northern team by far. They closed the gap with the Southern teams. Very consistent like the All Blacks.

[@TrevorSmith-nm9mm]

Great game very enjoyable. But would love to see a lot more fresh blood win or lose thanks lads for everything you must be recked

[@Natedawg38]

Well done Ireland. You never said die and showed real grit. A class outfit.

[@africanmamba1021]

James Lowe been working hard on those sideline plays , I feel they can be positive in many ways about their performance .. James played exceptionally … the fact that he dragged that ball back into play whilst being in mid Air …. You can see he’s been training that . Incredible

[@ErwinHarvey]

love your attitude Mr Farrel big respect

[@tertiusgreyling9955]

Springbok supporter here 🇿🇦 Happy the boks won but in fairness some of the key tmo decisions favoured SA. A draw would have been a fair reflection. Neither team gave an inch and both sides made mistakes in equal measure. Well played Ireland. 🇮🇪

[@michaelwalden7117]

agreed I'm south African we did seem to get the rub of the green

[@derekallan1341]

stop apologising for winning. The previous 3 matches there were some horrific decisions against the Boks.

[@redgimmelman]

​@@derekallan1341agreed 👍

[@GysbertDewet]

Next game is going to be so tough. Both teams know they did not play the best game. I can not wait!

[@franciscobizzaro]

I rate Andy as a man and a leader. Full credit to Ireland. Bokke!

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

There were some casualties out there Sheehan, idk about Porter hand but he tough mf, and Casey plus hope his okay after that nasty head injury and I can’t forget about Henshaw getting bottomed But Ireland stuck in there and deserve full credit and respect for their performance ALL OR NOTHING IN KZN Next week

[@sakabula2357]

Aki was also holding his arm in the last 20..maybe got a stinger

[@5vsone]

This victory does not sit well with me. Ek voel krapperig... To my mind Lowe was out. Well played Ireland. We'll take the win 💪🏼 Looking forward to another enthralling test match next week against worthy foes. Siya was colossal (not fat).

[@derekallan1341]

stop being apologetic. The TMO said that he was out and so he was out. Get a life and move on.

[@5vsone]

@@derekallan1341 Actually the TMO said he was in play :) That's why Cheslin's try counted. But ja...

[@flashiemate729]

Andy Farrell is such a humble and no-nonsense individual, he faces his team's inability to beat this great Boks team, blaming no one not even the match officials for making errors on the field.

[@Birdman953]

One of the best games ever. Both sides played out of their socks!

[@peacemaker4147]

To be brutally honest, Am a big bokke Fan🇿🇦🥇 and I must say am proud of the boys for winning this one. However I think I must really give it back to this Irish side these boys they defended with their lives even though they were under so much pressure and they were still able to break out of our strong defense line. But I must say if the springboks are just going to create pressure and not score any tries then I really see Ireland possibly beating the springboks this next game because we were wasting so much of good attacking opportunities because we were not really clinical in our rugs and scrum and looking at how much pressure that put on faf I can say Ireland played a massive game for sure. If we actually analyze every little opportunity that this Ireland boys got they did everything to use it and maybe it might just work for them this next Saturday. But yepp the world champions proved themselves again🇿🇦🫶🫶

[@brianpetersen1179]

Respect to Ireland

[@tonyhopper7497]

Two fantastic teams with two classy coaches.

[@trevorharris1007]

If this was the South African press conference with the complaints on the referring everyone would be up in arms. Wasn’t direct complaints but subtle.

[@redgimmelman]

I thought I was the only one hearing it.... They do it's class, we do it all hell breaks loose

[@user-qm8kj7uc9t]

Hats off to this Irish team. Real warriors who never gave up. Really impressive lads. I was there when the Bulls beat Leinster at Loftus and again now when the Boks beat Ireland at Loftus. Irish just never give up. Fantastic!

[@ACDV848]

Love this.

[@kirstenschreuder8851]

I thought Ireland were very good yesterday. Ultimately we were a bit lucky to win this one....

[@SchyffS]

Could have gone either way, both sides were slightly disconnected, giving away penalties, luckily SA could not convert those. SA was the better team on the day🎉

[@Fafa_86]

Andy classy as always. But im so sick of the irish press q&a's with no boom mic on the press, can never hear the questions properly, such a waste of time.

[@brettd982]

Well played Ireland. What a team you have become but the Boks done it again. Well played even though both teams weren't at their best. Bring on next Saturday

[@tjobrien8436]

Thought Springboks were far the better team. Congrats from Ireland. Its just tough to deal with the sheer physical power of the South Africans.

[@shireendaniels3055]

I underestimated the Irish on the Highveld. Thought they were going to struggle on the Highveld

[@andrewlowry2142]

Commiserations to Ireland

[@nutlangsworld]

Trust Casey will be ok? neva good to see a player down like that and hats off to the ref for immediately stopping play.. So many times we see play continue when a player is down.. Thx Ireland for a helluva game, didn't thing it would be anything other than that.. Go Bokke!!

[@user-mr9xe6lr3y]

🇿🇦 🤝 🇮🇪

[@karatekid-nq6ct]

Andy lives and breathes rugby, highly competitive man. As a saffa you gotta admire his focus, his son isn't the second highest points scorer in the history of the game by accident. His win % with Ireland also isn't a coincidence. I knew this match would be close, my prediction before the match was 28-22 SA wins because I knew it could swing either way.

[@cassidydavid5917]

Great coach Andy Ireland still at top

[@JojiCivoniceva]

Hats of Ireland Congratulations Bokks❤

[@kenfragnicholl-sh6so]

People it was a close game It could have gone either way well done to both team SA 7 points to the better

[@anthonynorman1212]

Both teams have amazing players, legends of the game and tonight even they felt the pressure. The game was very technical, Springboks not up to the speed in getting there defense line straight across the field and a couple of missed tackles. In the same breath, the Irish got tackled back many times, pressure on some of their decision making. The good news is that both teams threw it all on the field, it was a scrappy but great game to watch.

[@neilbennett9281]

I’m an Irealnd fan so bias accepted. The only thing that counts in the end is the score and well done to RSA but I think ireland came off better than RSA yesterday. RSA had home advantage, which is huge. Altitude and all that goes with it. There were a lot of points and scores that didn’t come off for IRL yesterday, WTF was with the kicking? Several marginal calls. Next match should be great.

[@derekallan1341]

atmosphere thing is a thing of the past. Most of the Bok players live and play at the coast. Glasgow and Munster won there recently. It has now become and old fishwife's story. Reply

[@nixm9093]

Yeah the kicking wasn't great hey, reminded me of the RWC game between these teams.

[@sechuan]

farrell is a class act from a saffa

[@jacquesrousseau5472]

Harde Game,maar dis hoekom ons Tops is.Polard net n af dag gehad,maar ja hy sal weer deurkom vir die Bokke.Well done Julle Ysters

[@AC-hu3xk]

Irish can play rugby for sure...well played from SA.TMO decision goes either way. Go back to Ireland 2018 for SA.

[@tjobrien8436]

Agreed. No complaints from this Irish fan. Congrats to the springboks and their fans.

[@AC-hu3xk]

@tjobrien8436 You guys seriously can play... Rugby, no doubts....

[@truthandjustice6838]

Thats what they always say in SA ......"he was concussed"

[@scran7346]

RG should be cited for that hit on Casey. Dirtbag move

[@Venomroos]

​@@scran7346It was a clean tackle, not RG's fault his bounced off the pitch. Maybe work those necks next time you're in the gym.

[@mv4770]

​​@@scran7346 oh fuck off. It was a legal clear.

[@scran7346]

@@Venomroos you have gyms in that 3rd world country?

[@raymondhorn8041]

​@@scran7346yes and beter harder , stronger rugby players than you . Plus we have 4 world cups to prove it. You play 6 nations. . Against your neighbors we play against the best in the world.

[@Johann_in_China]

To be honest, Rassie can say the same thing. They got away with murder.

[@NickSterson]

Particularly at the breakdown. 100%

[@derekallan1341]

just go and eat your chop suey

[@derekallan1341]

and Ireland played 100% to the law??? Get a life

[@pumkineater7219]

Huge respect to Ireland, I thought they would beat us because the team has been together and more active than us because of the six nations. Looking at the replays of the TMO decisions, I think they got it right and the Boks rode their luck. SA looked more tired than Ireland and Pollard in particular had a torrid game so I think maybe we need to start bedding in some new players after this series. If we lose games, it’s part of a cycle, so have to accept that.

[@raymondhorn8041]

If that james lowe ball went to his player and they had a try because of it ... we would also be asking these questions as Bok fans . But at the end of the day the boks were in control most of the game . And if your in n position where it comes down to small decisions its always going to be contested

[@fallschirmjager0000]

Great game but the ref had a shocker, the 3 big 50/50s all going the way of SA. Doris and Lowe trys not allowed, the kolbe one allowed.

[@NickSterson]

Swings and roundabouts. I think of plenty that went IRE way in the past two encounters. Do you recall?

[@derekallan1341]

dry your eyes, it's about time some calls against the Irish went the Boks way

[@fallschirmjager0000]

@@derekallan1341 The ref was shocking and you know it

[@derekallan1341]

@@fallschirmjager0000 yes the referee was correct and the TMO was correct.. Go and get your cataracts removed and maybe you will be able to see better. Rassie zombie Rassie Zombie Rassie zombie

[@emilegalexander]

The Irish were really good... Respect..Journalists get paid to be Dckis though...

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

Idk why people are asking these questions about the TMO cameras Look SA we’re on the wrong side of it against France in 2022 and that JVF maul try against us in the same year It’s nature of the sport and you have to take your licks when it goes against yah

[@davesmith826]

Journalists stirring the pot, largely because they've got nothing else to contribute. No advanced knowledge of the game, no tactical insights: just loaded questions designed to generate clickbait nonsense. Good to see both coaches rise above it.

[@Camcolito]

Agree, swings and roundabouts. Hope our boys can bounce back and draw the series!

[@64jkn]

No idea what you mean ? Other then two tries disallowed today ? ☘☘☘

[@EolasColas]

Ben Shitehouse.. I wince when I see him listed even in URC. Reckon he was screwed over by an Irish girl or something

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

@@64jkn don’t talk to me if you did not watch the game or just say you don’t know the rules The first disallowed was because Kelleher was playing the ball on the ground off feet in a ruck which is illegal, and Ireland tend to get away with that BS all the time - the same way they did in 2022 game in Dublin when Hanson scored a try off that The Doris disallowed showed no conclusive evidence You lost, take your licks and could’ve lost by more so be grateful

[@christoels8110]

The Boks were not clinical enough. A worrying factor for me is the relative ease with which Ireland created try scoring opportunities and with a bit of luck going their way, they would have won the match. The expansive game is exciting to watch, but not at the expense of defense. There were far too many 50/50 calls to enthuse over the victory. I feel sorry for the Irish, but am happy for the result. Let us hope that on Saturday the Boks will up the intensity and also do better in the kicking at goal department.

[@andresdeks]

Agree he is a great and humble coach. Wish his son would act the same way😂

[@knowmean]

Ireland brought it at atmosphere Kings park will be even for both at sea level

[@presleysenengwe4105]

Lol. Whatever. 😂

[@jadenphilander8799]

Altitude dont have an impact if you are fit...You also only need 10days to adapt.

[@knowmean]

@@jadenphilander8799 10 days, is that it? Thought you needed to climb the himalayes mountain a couple times 😂😂😂

[@jadenphilander8799]

@@knowmean Altitude dont impact fit teams. All Blacks have come to altitude to beat us, many teams give South African teams hard time at Altitude. The onoy players in the springbok team who are used to altitude are the bulls and lions players.

[@derekallan1341]

atmosphere thing is a thing of the past. Most of the Bok players live and play at the coast. Glasgow and Munster won there recently. It has now become and old fishwife's story.

[@kokkos4391]

Well done Ireland, what a game. My Bokke had to earn this win✌️

[@ianabrahamson785]

should have would have ?? goes for both teams , both teams can look for excuses, can look for stuff that didnt go their way, thats rugby, there is some luck here and there, but in the end the players need to know what they have to do to win the game and cant rely always on just luck. Ireland were and still are formidable opponents and world class, they are up there with the worlds best, also up there are the Springboks and on the day they did it..Ireland have another chance next week, and lets hope Rassie doesnt mess around with second stringers now and trying out new stuff. Otherwise Ireand can easily put the boks to sleep

[@itskatie1825]

ireland better win the next two test matches

[@owendouglas5500]

Rugby sal ń klug bly totdat alle refs TMO's ingesluit di dag besluit almal v hul is transparent en consistent in applying the rules of rugby.

[@tauriquesedick2300]

South africa will humble you

[@clibo1]

Peter O'Mahony 😢

[@michaelvdunne]

If things couldn’t get worse I believe Dickson is the ref for next week.

[@EolasColas]

Awh F€@k

[@derekallan1341]

there's nothing wrong with Dicksons reffing.

[@rorysullivan4913]

Secod test going to very tight. Expect a tight match again. Boks will be better i believe.

[@rorysullivan4913]

Too many mistakes by both sides for it to be a classic. Irish player on ground in front of Bok 9 disruptive as well as engage at scrum time. Smart

[@jeangerber4300]

pieter ou mannie. well done to all

[@kevinpillay6103]

Irelands kicker was very poor but so was Pollard. Ref and tmo very poor. Irish very diplomatic on the decisions against them. Great ; hard scrap though from both teams.

[@lazykeoh12]

Quality comment section.

[@rodcodes]

I’m surprised at this point they haven’t pulled the, we were poisoned by the deep cover mole in the flight crew of Aer Lingus - obvious Rassie move. Like, at the bottom of their hearts - they must know. They must. must.

[@johanerasmus9720]

Did I miss the memo or is the Boks supposed to play conservative/spoiling rugby and the Irish an expansive attacking brand?