Briahna Joy Gray Confronts Vaush, Brings Receipts | DESTINY REACTS

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[@LastNightDestiny]

"He Needs Someone To Talk To..." Vaush Fans Revolt Against Him ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpeTpnaAZ5l1b7M

[@KaeMaiden]

Just watched this and watched more of this lady. I'm now a fan Briahna. Frankly, she would wipe the floor with you and you would come off more slower than Vaush. She's not Sneako, or the redpill soyboys.

[@carwyn3691]

"Briahna's surname isn't Joy Gray. All you have to do is cross the Mexican border, and over there, it's Alegría Gris"

[@dabest9843]

🤣

[@lloydgush]

Best one yet.

[@kenonerboy]

Name Emotion color

[@meatball5336]

Aqua WEPTTTTTT

[@Farvadude]

lmao this was clever

[@donniejefferson9554]

"I don't know why he wouldn't prepare for this." He says for the 100th Vaush debate in a row

[@TurtleChad1]

?

[@donniejefferson9554]

@@TurtleChad1 Every time destiny watches a Vaush debate, he is shocked that Vaush doesn't prepare. I just fell like he should've caught on by now

[@Vin_Venture896]

I mean Vaush has literally said that he ‘doesn’t need to prep for debates’ as ‘It’s all about rhetoric’, which is one of the most braindead takes on the planet.

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

answer: because his audience of 10 year olds dont even know what the fuck any of this is about, and think loud and obnoxious = correct

[@coreyaruecker]

Right? It’s because vaush is a narcissist and has an inflated sense of his own intelligence.

[@TheZealo]

I was waiting for a certified AQUA moment from Vaush

[@deeepdale]

with a g

[@JorgeGarcia-rc4zi]

Almost had it w/ "well we're online"

[@omariyon]

@@JorgeGarcia-rc4zi “you’re calling me a cuck again 🫵🏼😏”

[@meatball5336]

Aqua WEPTTTTTT

[@Kyle-qf5zc]

"Water hasn't always been H2O. This isn't true. All you have to do is cross the Mexican border, and over there, it's "aqua" that's H20." - Vaush

[@Beeeep24]

BASED LOL

[@iAmLyre]

Vaush saying the shit we all too afraid to say 💯💯💯

[@ImortalZeus13]

Oh my god don’t remind me of that.

[@dylanefg]

Water hasn't always been h20. This isn't true. All you have to do is cross the Michigan border and over there its "lead".

[@jp-dp7wc]

I think you meant “aúkwààw”…

[@keall82]

Vaush speaks like someone who is ballsdeep in love with his own voice

[@mdaddy775]

Ohhhh yes

[@ooDirtyMickoo]

I think he’s trying to sound like a black man to attract her. That’s my only guess. I have no idea why he’s speaking this way to her.

[@reiggier9211]

@ooDirtyMickoo I don't think that's what he's doing but imagining him thinking that is making me cry laughing I'm weeping why would you say that

[@ooDirtyMickoo]

@@reiggier9211 I’m convinced it has something to do with a deep seeded unconscious racial fetish. I have no other explanation. The guy is an absolute freak.

[@Jason-ul3bd]

@@reiggier9211 ngl i was thinking the same thing. I can't conceive of any other reason he would suddenly adopt a southern drawl when we all know he grew up in Beverly hills lmao

[@TurtleChad1]

Vaush is a personification of a Reddit politics thread.

[@juanmejiagomez5514]

Man I gotta ask. Are you by chance the alt account of someone called “cultured russian waifu” or something like that? Because I saw them comment under many videos, but some days ago they seem to have stopped and now I’m seeing you everywhere

[@pinbraid]

Ha, I can actually agree with that. Good one.

[@paulspringwood7190]

Destiny is the embodiment of the kid in HighSchool who hides behind 10 different levels of sarcasm and irony and is just exhausting to be around.

[@TurtleChad1]

@@paulspringwood7190 why are you mad?

[@paulspringwood7190]

@@TurtleChad1 Am I wrong??

[@johncage3969]

They exchange pleasantries, lay groundwork, then Briahna asks the first question and Vaush immediately goes to "well you're doing what holocaust deniers do". HOW DOES ANYONE LIKE VAUSH? HOW? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

[@TyCook-s1c]

I mean young people aren't known for their intelligence or wisdom and that's his entire audience.

[@makerstudios5456]

Exactly!

[@JuryMalkin]

I use his clips pre-workout. Good for motivation. What a dishonest delusional individual.

[@haydn1708]

The most entertaining part of this video is listening to Vauwsh constantly code switching and adding extremely out of place “ain’t”, “I don’t got no…”, and “y’all” in order to seem more amicable(?), or relatable(?), idk. Extremely funny though

[@mindfreaksniper]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that

[@ulysses7653]

Isn't he autistic?

[@mindfreaksniper]

@Ulysses yes, but normally autistic people mimic the accents and speech of who they're talking to, and that's why it's very strange.

[@ulysses7653]

@@mindfreaksniper I see.

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

Where did that happen😂

[@hjvhjfv6320]

Vaush talks like he thinks he's in Team Rocket

[@shiiswii4136]

This is accurate asf

[@hdudidi]

what’s team rocket

[@tvnggg]

@@hdudidi pokemon villains

[@reiggier9211]

Vaush is 100% in team rocket. He even has a blasting off again moment every once in a while

[@woodsmand]

Vaush never prepares for anything because he truly believes he's a lex luthor super genius and doesn't have to.

[@shiiswii4136]

I think it's more along the lines of if he loses any debate he can lie to himself and say he wasn't prepared or trying, it's a deep insecurity and it's disrespectful to everyone he debates, I want to see him flayed by a cartel member

[@victor75208]

@@shiiswii4136 I can't stand destiny sometimes but I wouldn't want him flayed by a cartel member. They're both important to leftist and progressive messaging. Vaush is arrogant but what warrants your thought of wishing him to be flayed? I only wish that on far right wingers.

[@reiggier9211]

@vicbjr wishing for anything other than a nice fat pig to be flayed is evil and it makes me hungry so STOP doing it

[@ianduarte1992]

@@victor75208 No one side of the political spectrum is free from my wishes of violent flaying, idiots shall be flayed, and i shall eat dry cereal while i watch it.

[@woodsmand]

@@victor75208 so how exactly does that make you any better😆

[@onZampie]

Bro thinks he's McCree 💀33:25 "it aint dooma" 💀"i do declare" headass 💀💀💀

[@Eldinarcus]

Why does Vaush always put on a deep cowboy affectation whenever he talks to someone new? lmaooo

[@Observette]

Because on a steel horse he rides!

[@Eldinarcus]

@@Observette I think he's so convinced that he's masculine(considering he mentions it so often and because his real life friend groups are a bunch of weirdos), that he forgets how extremely Asperger's he comes across to normal people.

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@Eldinarcus he has real life friends?

[@jimmyramos1989]

It’s because she’s black. Must have been super awkward for her. He all like “y’all kno what I’m sayin” like verbatim lol

[@lilben4184]

​@@jimmyramos1989based Vaush talking down to blax. Even left-wingers know how dumb blax are, lefties just lie about it

[@Blimpus952]

Vaush is Brian Griffen

[@edmaldonado8207]

Omg........you're right!

[@counselorguy5481]

So a smug, self-righteous, narcissist?

[@MithosDagon]

The way Vaush talks, I can’t help but imagine him with a monocle, pipe, twirled mustache and a robe.

[@cami5173]

I’m 100% sure this is how he’s imagining himself too lol

[@xbabu142x]

Add some fingerless gloves as well. Cold palms, hot phalange periphery, is a anatomical variation that presents with high levels of intellect.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

He is actually the planters peanut in drag.

[@meatball5336]

I imagine he also smells bad even straight out the shower. Just wanted to add to the conversation.

[@lissaw4]

...is Vaush trying to sound super southern and like a 'southern gentleman'? What's with the weird accent, changes in his use of English grammar, saying "there ain't no", "we don't need to make no analogies", odd phrasing, etc? He's rapidly changing between his normal speech patterns and these weird things. This is just super weird and uncomfortable.

[@tc103point3]

I think he’s just being condescending

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

Including Southern/AAVE-isms like "y'all" and "ain't" is considered stylish amongst lefties. I think it's because most of them are from suburbs and big cities where noone talks like that and they desperately want to stand out.

[@DW51380]

@@Hemroyd_Skankins ain’t is used throughout England and all English dialects. you know the white country that the white language you’re culturally appropriating comes from? the irony🤣

[@Walmartgimp]

I thought I was being nitpicky when I heard it Nah, he's definitely putting on a bit more of a blaccent because he's speaking to a black person.

[@sommerblume9671]

@@Hemroyd_Skankins I mean... code switching is normal and happens in almost every country, especially young people. Vaush is probably just being condescending, but like this isn't some rare only american suburbs thing... what is this thinking.

[@peterranney9488]

at 1:33:20 when brianna says to Vaush "I have no interest in calling you a fascist, I only attack the powerful" (Paraphrased) I think that was the greatest body blow in almost any debate I have ever seen and he didn't even realize it at the time.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I'm 2 minutes away from the timestamp, can't wait.

[@deeepdale]

i mean... nobody in this space is powerful. idk if thats the biggest body blow in any debate uve ever seen

[@Chevalier_knight]

Yeh all these debate panels on the left are useless and powerless only the conservatives have power online and allways will .

[@kyledodson2992]

Everything is fascist now days. I can’t even sell something on eBay without being one apparently

[@peterranney9488]

@@deeepdale You are 100 percent right that nobody is actually powerful, but Vaush either is a grifter or believes that he has to be performative in order to accumulate political power. Being told that his words are not effective in a roundabout way is pretty effective in my mind.

[@OneRedKraken]

Vaush unknowingly made the day of a lot of Flat Earthers saying basically you only need cursory knowledge of something to be able to disagree and argue against it. Great job.

[@haraldisdead]

Destiny: **clicks play** 0:0 2 Destiny: **pause** "One thing I'm really good at is...."

[@BareBandSubscription]

I sense that this comment grew from a salt bed. I can even taste it.

[@sapnupuas6950]

30:54 for the famous clip

[@ChrisCriticalTalk]

Destiny: "Briahna is the most crazy disingenuous leftist ever!" Destiny: only describes Briahna's policy's standpoints as being more to the left than his Me: Ok?????

[@OnJahseh]

You a crazy extremist too? 😂

[@billybadass8690]

Vaush got outpaced intellectually in this debate

[@xbabu142x]

I enjoyed that him and Brianna both switched to a 1940's detective noir type speech cadence randomly but together.

[@tonystone10K]

Would like to see BJG humble Destiny too, but humbling MAX-ego Vaush was satisfying enough.

[@thrash208]

Vaush intellectually outpaces everyone he doesnt need notes.

[@ce1474]

Yup, Its all in the optics, tactical big words, etc. simple as

[@smellvadordali9806]

and of course the ace thetics

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

He's going so fast it's like he's not even moving.

[@mryagami8448]

Tugs beard

[@vyvianalcott1681]

I wish I was smart enough to never let other people finish their fucking sentences

[@MO-zk8qs]

1:23:41 first time hearing briahna, at the very least I appreciated her putting the bullshit aside for a minute and confronting vaush on what he calls his aesthetic. I can’t imagine how annoying it is to meet someone irl and have them be chill only for the next online convo to have a completely different energy.

[@titusorelius9458]

Briahna is pretty awesome. Don't know what Destiny is complaining about really.

[@liesiontheir]

@@titusorelius9458 I think that she just has weird/unfounded opinions. In this conversation she sounded good faith, and maybe she usually is, but her idea that the starting point for a conversation about minimum wage should be 25$ is clown politics.

[@titusorelius9458]

@@liesiontheir No, it's common a sense strategy in negotiations. You start high and eventually meet in the middle. That was her point. Destiny is doing what most centrist dems do when it comes to the left, assuming the worst about people that simjply want better for Everyone rather than just the rich like Pelosi. It's insane.

[@jhlasa]

@@titusorelius9458 She is very toxic

[@ce1474]

@@liesiontheir You start high than compromise. Whats clownish about that?

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

I love how he becomes a southern gentleman when he talks to black people

[@MrAskmannen]

Why the fuck is vaush trying to do "AAVE" in this debate? This is absolutely not how he normally speaks.

[@ManCheat2]

It's something alotta libs tend to do when speaking to minorities.

[@DrStrangelove_]

The best point you made in this entire video is, people who do nothing but talk, yet never say anything is mind-numbing and Vaush is the king.

[@DrStrangelove_]

Honorable mentions to Tim pool and Lav

[@mbd251]

Vaush is just Sargon of akkad for leftoids

[@savagetr1539]

@@AS-sn5gf you don’t see a difference between vowsh, tim pool and destiny?

[@savagetr1539]

@@AS-sn5gf never mind you simpin for coach redpill in your other comments😂😂

[@themostdeliciousmeals4104]

@@AS-sn5gf Lmao

[@donjay1921]

Brianna Joy was cooking 💀

[@yoyyoy6376]

Destiny's Vaush commentary will always slap, because he knows Vaush as if he was his own son (he kinda is)

[@blickluke]

Why tf is Vaush affecting a southern gentleman/possible plantation owners voice and candor when speaking to her? It feels like a passively aggressive racist troll attempt

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

I mean he is a racist so yeah

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

I used to be a hardcore Vaush fan for like a year and half during which I watched most of the videos he put out and I'm like 95% sure this is how he talks usually.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@mielipuolisiili7240 Submit to the mob! Lol IDK what you people see in these people.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Do you know what a past tense is?

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@mielipuolisiili7240 Do you know what "plural" is?

[@gabrieledwards1066]

Brevity is the soul of wit.

[@YemYum]

i feel like vaush is probably afraid to do research before a debate, because he might stumble upon evidence that contradicts what he has said with extreme conviction. Its kinda like lav, except he is afraid of walking it back, so he is afraid to confront the possibility he might be wrong. A standard thing he does might be: -make a claim -react to someone disagreeing with that point (might not be directly to vaush himself) -insults the person very hard and make a show for the viewers on how he/she might be stupid -when it comes time to debate and put metal-to-metal, he refrains from doing research in fear that he might be forced to walk back his extreme statements, lest he be seen as a bad faith propagandist. So he resorts to vague assertions and rhetoric instead of useful facts/statements on standby. Im not saying this is definitely true, but it might be an explanation on why he never prepares for any debate, despite feeling like he has all the facts on his side. I feel like if i knew i was right 100%, i would be foaming at the mouth to confront my debate opponent with those facts ready. Either this, or he is so ungodly lazy that he would rather risk getting embarrassed in a debate than prepare.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

You can’t embarrass the shameless

[@TurboMintyFresh]

This sums it up perfectly

[@b.cthebruvtallbruv6145]

great comment I agree

[@vallano8970]

why was he using like aave throughout the conservation when he normally never talks like that? Lmao vaush is so weird

[@nataliadmontalvolopez8895]

physically cringed every time he did that

[@simonwinn8757]

It's not aave, go to any rural southern white town and they talk like that. Where do you think the free blacks learnt english from.

[@ManCheat2]

Its a thing liberals do, they lower their speech when talking to minorities.

[@TurboMintyFresh]

because hes a coward

[@plexxarbiitch]

@@simonwinn8757 I can vouch, ppl say I talk black all the time but no I’m just from the south

[@Murbz]

Why is Vaush talking like that? Is he going to a debate or trying to pick her up? I've watched him sometimes and i'm pretty sure he didn't always do this.

[@qapiojg]

Code switching. He's the whitest white man I've ever seen, so when he tries to imitate a black man's voice he just sounds like he jumped out of bed 5 minutes ago. He does it in other ways throughout the video. He throws in "ain't" and "y'all" when talking to her and he never talks like that to white people. It's pretty funny

[@DW51380]

@@qapiojg English is a white language from a white country…..

[@qapiojg]

@@DW51380 And that's relevant how?

[@DW51380]

@@qapiojg how are you going to complain how a white man speaks a white language? How can black people own a language from England? “Ain’t” is used in English dialects all over England you know where English comes from? why would black Americans get to decide how white people use English?

[@DW51380]

@@qapiojg the whole “aave” concept comes from the Caribbean anyway, 1. Caribbean isn’t African 2. Black Americans aren’t African anyway 3. Why would Americans or africans dictate how English and white people use a Caribbean dialect of a white mans language from a white country?

[@TheBigmoney342]

Why is Vaush talking like that?

[@Hiraya198]

It's his defensive mechanism to try to sound as superior and unbothered as possible.

[@kietey14]

Is he speaking like that to her because she is black? He never does the “ain’t got” and the “No” propositionally. This is extremely weird. He’s trying to do the cadence Obama has when speaking. Wtf?

[@donjay1921]

Bro got cooked 💀

[@michaelh13]

I got about half an hour in when I suddenly realised I don't care about any of this, this does not affect me in any meaningful way

[@reiggier9211]

You comment on these videos all the time and none of them affect you in any substantial way

[@halfbloodprincess989]

What's wrong with is voice? He sounds different and like he's trying way to hard...

[@seesharper8913]

I think Vaush doesn't prepare for debates - and announces he doesn't - because it gives him a form of plausible deniability when he fails at winning one. Gives him the chance to just write it off and not take the shame of being an actual loser.

[@alyssaxxy]

She’s very intelligent. And she was nothing but respectful to Vaush the whole time. Great debate. She won hands down. I also now have a new girl crush. 😂

[@jvoamazingtv]

Nah she's trash. This just shows how bad vaush is

[@TheEverFreeKing]

As a right-winger I'm actually a fan of hers. Still I think while she won hands down, she conceded too much ground. This vash guy is completely retarded and he thinks everyone that isn't in his stupid Cult is a fascist. Vaush is the biggest cancer on the left, we need more Jimmy Dore like figures.

[@younggod5230]

Vaush has not uploaded this debate on his own chanel. Were it. Ot for destiny, I would have missed it. He DID upload the Kirk debate, which he won. Feel like hes pretty embarrassed about it.

[@Doc51499]

“You won’t have me on will you?” Proceeds to have him on and destroy him

[@louie3216]

What? VDS overdose here

[@Doc51499]

@@louie3216 vaush was clearly unprepared at best. Cope and seethe vaushite

[@louie3216]

@@Doc51499 how? First of all, BJG is just some grifting podcaster who’s fallen off hard since Bernie’s loss in 2020. Second of all, if you listened to the whole debate without interruption, Vaush kept nailing it in the head against BJG’s bad faith argument about defunding the FBI coincidentally when they went after Trump, by countering that with the proven fact that MTG and other Republicans only care about reforming the FBI or other branches of law enforcement to protect their own, case in point Trump when Mar A Lago was raided. And it was hella annoying when she insisted that she disagrees wholeheartedly with MTG and thinks she’s bad faith, so why take her “defund the FBI” rhetoric at face value then? Same thing with force the vote, when BJG kept hilariously arguing that progressives could have leveraged their power (6 members at the time out of 435 lmao) to put Medicare for All to a floor vote which would lose, as well as decrease public support for said bill dramatically. But sure, talk about debate prep instead of the actual arguments at hand here between the 2

[@Doc51499]

@@louie3216 that’s a lot of words Too bad I’m not reading em

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

This was a disaster for Vaush, but his audience wont care as usual.

[@frankdevo5715]

Lol I can’t imagine what a Vaush fan looks like irl

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@frankdevo5715 wojak meme face

[@Geminilion100]

@@frankdevo5715 It's not pretty.

[@miggydoms]

Theyll just call any criticism VDS

[@Acidlib]

@@frankdevo5715 at lest half of them are probably relatively normal I watched vaush and destiny both for years off and on, sometimes watched both, sometimes neither, occasionally teeter-tottered between, eventually I fell off watching both to different degrees, came back around to Destiny right before the keffals stuff and now idk how tf I watched Vaush for multiple years; I was able to recognize some of his flaws and general pretentious bs, but now it feels so much more glaring.

[@roman343]

I didn't realize how washed Vaush is now, Jesus poor dude, it feels like his heart isn't in it

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

It’s funny for someone without an actual ideology or principles , who’s solely concerned with optics constantly make himself look like the most bad faith ,unhinged, semantic based hack .

[@gregutz4284]

Dude is just slogging into a job he hates

[@goddessrick8734]

He's making well into the 6 figure range. At the end of the day this is his career and this is how he built it. He needs to put in the effort like anyone else does for less.

[@channel_no_longer_active]

Vaush is an actor interested in clicks. More interested in sounding right then actual issues people been fighting for decades.

[@Tellmewhy235]

Yeah he’s a political entertainer. Not a political activist.

[@tektiteexpert5558]

He's so desperate for what Hasan has

[@babydrum]

I don't care for either one of them but Brianna Joy Gray kicked Vaush's ass!

[@HailFastcore666]

I love how brianna has the articulate opinions that vaush and hasan larp about and vaush still has to be the contrarian grifter.dude was defending the fbi for fucks sake jfc.

[@omarisawesome1996]

Ikr. Like im not an anarchist, but how can vaush call himself one while supporting the FBI, CIA, military industrial complex. Does almost all positive coverage of biden and only negative coverage of noam chomsky. I wish hed stop trying to be edgy and just lable Himself a moderate democrat.

[@TheChremix]

Man it´s hard to wartch how far vaush has fallen off

[@GravelordNEETo]

“We could be duo debating on fresh n fit” Pain

[@OneRedKraken]

I know nothing about Slenderman. But when Destiny complained about the background noise and said is Slenderman coming? I almost chocked on my food.

[@nemesis7884]

destiny obviously mediating as he is wearing both colors

[@boatshoes7131]

Vaush becomes southern when talking to black people? 🤔

[@reiggier9211]

Unwillingly

[@Matt-dn5jc]

Really moved by Destiny's insights at 48:00

[@GrowCast]

Her vacillating between Vowsh and Vash 😆 never gets old

[@TrueGoose117]

I agree with Destiny, I find the XQC video just interesting. Everything form the random memes to the monotone voice, it really feels like AI generated content.

[@amitty9818]

vaush is just a lazy guy

[@brianwalters9290]

Why do you hate her so much?? I think you should reach out to her to at least just talk to her. How can you hate someone so much without even meeting or talking to her ever?

[@crisisOstrich]

Did vaush stay up late playing Red Dead Redemption before this debate?

[@itsaboy213]

I said one more score, but scuse me fellers I am beset by tiredness

[@SovereignSmurf]

Destiny is usually pretty good about recognizing his own bias and acting appropriately but for some reason he still seems to think that Vaush is reasonable and good at debates.

[@olknoxlo]

I believe he just expects more out of him.

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

Vaush used to be decent at debating, and I'm saying that as a conservative who thinks most of his takes are retarded. He's fallen off in recent years due to his big fortress arc. Debate takes practice, and Vaush is way out of practice.

[@roman343]

He's just disappointed because he knows V can do better

[@thecactus7950]

I think when vaush was a destiny orbiter he was better / more trained than he is now. I never thought he was a "great" debater, but he's clearly gotten both slower and more lazy since he stopped engaging with destiny.

[@Hooga89]

Best part is Destiny saying Brianna stands for everything Destiny is against, and yet he still thinks he isn't a conservative.

[@indiahodgson3816]

Vaush stop interrupting challenge (impossible)

[@cc-bk3tx]

These jokes have been getting old but honestly this is one of the times it fits perfectly because he does it all the time

[@richardtheimeriii9902]

Voosh getting schooled here was actually hilarious

[@ryanpomarico2399]

I love how destiny is just doing ad live and checking his stocks for an hour and a half

[@reiggier9211]

He's been livestreaming his e-commerce and finance career for years and we've been lapping it up like dogs

[@counselorguy5481]

So destiny is a right-wing Biden bro?

[@LL-cz5ql]

Yes

[@kylec8015]

This was hard to listen to lol. I was grasping desperately at anything relevant that Destiny had to say, yet the majority of the time he'd either completely be distracted with his game, or only make flippantly dismissive remarks. The times he did chip in were a sight to behold though, literally jumped for joy when he actually decides to say something for once. I gotta say though, Destiny seems weirdly extreme in his vitriolic rhetoric toward BJG. It was literally a point brought up in the convo, where she says to Vaush that they my disagree on the method for instance, but that doesn't need to be inlayed with animosity as well, or where she says she's open to being wrong on a topic and changing her opinion to something else if a reasonable argument is made. It really just feels like priming the audience when he attacks someone with such intensity before they've even opened their mouth. It's also a bit annoying when he comes in with a narrative about someone, and over the course of the conversation, is shown that maybe bits and pieces of his caricature aren't exactly accurate, yet still remains so stubbornly opposed such as having to caveat his concessions with, "well, BJG is technically right here I guess... but" and then allude to a stance, spend a few seconds looking for clips to reinforce himself, fail to find one, accidently find one that showed the complete opposite, drop that clip to continue looking for one that supported his perception, before eventually giving up and resuming the video. I wonder how many times he would have to be shown that he isn't right on his perception, before he would eventually change his mind (or at least switch to indifference), or whether he would stick to his guns and not budge an inch. I would honestly love to see a conversation between the two of them because I feel like they could have a productive one.

[@Takobella]

100%! He’s so stuck in the narrative he has of her in his head, that he actually doesn’t listen to her opinions. If ANYBODY was bad faith here, it was Destiny.

[@vulcanh254]

It's sad but Destiny operates from the premise that democrats are always good and can't ever lie or be wrong. Destiny basically painted himself into a corner and has decided to defend the establishment at all costs. That's why he despises anti establishment progressives. He calls them extreme but they're not even that radical, they're just against the DNC who are only interested in maintaining the corporatist status quo. Vaush and Hasan are more extreme than BJG.

[@danielwieten8617]

Vaush is the embodiment of cringe. He could espouse every single value and principle I stand for, but his aesthetic and delivery would still make me hate him. Awful

[@lukefaccenda1467]

He still sneaks in a "lav is smart" 🤣

[@befferluger805]

43:25 “killing civil rights and blah blah blah” fuck I dunno how to respond to something like that. If you don’t care about civil rights, what do you care about? Has there been a course correction at these agencies since all that blah blah blah? These former libertarians always have such a shallow appreciation of the fragility of liberty. Why does he get to bring up WW2 every time there’s a reason to fund a war, but civil rights is ancient history?

[@camronbitzer3159]

"you're on the internet right now" "If you go south they call h20 *aqua*"

[@zeaferjones1404]

Wait why doesn't Destiny like Briahna? I'm sort of a Joe Rogan liberal so I lean more right than Destiny but I respect her to a certain extent. So why does Destiny hate her?

[@thecarter8700]

I’ve been trying to figure this out as well Says she’s a “horrible person”

[@mathewkolakwsk]

Briahna Joy Gray is not horrible or insane, so strong disagree there - if you listen to her arguments IN CONTEXT and consider her points with the details in mind, she is a not only intelligent but has fair/valid reasons for her positions. Saying she is “horrible” without giving her a fair shake is lazy since it is probably just copying what some generic corporate democrat tweeted to make her seem like some unthinking “radical”… it is similar to calling Bernie Sanders a “horrible nutcase”, which is actually what many said about Bernie Sanders before he became well known… he was called sexist, racist, and other horrible things to diminish his pro-working class message (Medicare-for-All, etc…)

[@nobodiesaltbutmine6674]

Medicare for all isn’t working class lmao it’s retard think

[@darkhorse1989]

This lady seems way more sane than vaushh does maybe that's not saying much

[@Kramerdeep]

Vaush sounds like he just stumbled out of Knives Out

[@Ultra_Light_Beam]

1:18:10 The desperation with which Vaush tries to yank this conversation towards Nazis (something he actually read about) is so embarrassing. And it’s all to avoid saying he’s ok w/ compromising with political opponents in order to get substantive wins in his direction. I really didn’t expect him to do this poorly. The boy got blistered.

[@ManCheat2]

vaush doesnt know jackshit about the nazis though.

[@TurboMintyFresh]

All he ever does is compare shit to the nazis. Its pathetic

[@dabest9843]

That clip of BJG around 7:31 is spot-on. IMO, Destiny undermines his point.

[@claytonjordan8821]

Lol "why is he talking like this?" My man vaush was talking like he was in a dos equis commercial

[@vikkipink1288]

I understand your frustration with Vaush now. He could do so much better if he wasn’t so lazy and would put forth just a little more effort. He’s so smart and entertaining, it’s such a waste of raw talent what he’s been doing.

[@xemphis1690]

Bro you fucking slaaaacking dawg, I just finished this shit on DGG WRLD

[@WhatAMagician]

Saying that Vaush speaks well but has no facts to back it up is the best summary of him I've seen. I found his rhetoric very persuasive until I saw some videos where he touched on topics I have expertise and formal education in, which he completely mangled and misunderstood. It got me thinking maybe he just sort of misunderstands and misrepresents everything but has such a polished exterior it is hard to notice. He is clearly used to debating far right youtube lunatics and when he starts talking to anyone with actual expertise not just rhetorical skills he completely falls apart. Reminds me of his "Aqua" debate with the philosopher.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

He is a protoplasm without form, no actual beliefs or philosophy. All he cares about is optics and semantics. Dude would argue the sky is red if he thought his chat would buy it.

[@alexrn416]

In so many ways I can't think of a worst representative of the online left than Vaush. When debating centrists, or center lefties, he frames them as ultra right fascists because they won't bend to his weird purity tests of what the left should be, so he ends up alienating a lot of people who were on the fence. And when he debates far left people he does such an awful job that he ends up strengthening their radicalism and their audience's warped views. He can be pointed by people on the far right and the far left as to why their ideologies are correct. He's just... so bad.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

It’s funny you tell both him and destiny have never been punched full force in the face by a full grown man .

[@aidoskashenov4532]

Destiny is just the same

[@TurboMintyFresh]

Hes a disgrace of a human being and his debates have done next to no good other than making him rich and popular

[@longrider188]

@@finnmarr-heenan2397 Reminds me of the old song "Attitude adjustment" by Hank Williams Jr.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@aidoskashenov4532 No, he absolutely isn’t. Idc if you don’t agree with Destiny. He’s infinitely more transparent, honest, principled, and logical than an overwhelming majority of people I’ve ever seen who plant themselves so hard in the political spectrum. He just happens to debate all those other people who don’t hold those same qualities, and because they have no humility to admit when they’re wrong, they just double down and hate on him out of personal insecurity. That’s been a pretty consistent pattern. And truthfully, debates are ultimately pointless. It’s pure sport and isn’t really meant to progress the conversation the way people suggest they do or should.

[@dobertjowneyrunior3023]

Vaush is truly incredible in his ability to put every single right wing person in the exact same box 😂😂😂 He literally thinks death camps are around the corner ☠️☠️☠️

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

He dosnt believe on anything except the grift

[@lt.cmd.databerg2985]

I agree with Briahna 100% with her analysis. Vaush gives me the impression he is blinded by party loyalty.

[@Observette]

Did Destiny say that this chick was a crazy leftie or am I tripping? She doesn’t sound like a crazy leftist. Also why does Steven compare every woman he describes as intelligent to Lav?

[@YesVictory_]

I Thought Vowsh Surpassed Destiny Intellectually? Smh. Bonus Meme Tacoma Wept The Day Vowsh Burned The Destiny Bridge. dggL

[@johannliebert2870]

*outpaced him intellectually. Not to worry, brother. I'm here to ameliorate any information relating to Vaush. I understand that you may have forgotten the exact term due to being besest by tiredness.

[@YesVictory_]

@@johannliebert2870 thanks friend dggL

[@DontEatSmurfs]

i think i watched this same debate at least 2 other times in different channels always going for "wow...another one between vaush and that girl ?"

[@deadzeppelin9565]

Gaaah the way he talks is so performative. It reeks of pseudo-intellectualism.

[@Yeheyehaw]

29:17

[@zeaferjones1404]

There are times when I don't like Briahna but for the most part, I like her and respect her.

[@jdeli5655]

Wtf…. Des tiny is still pretending it was only “a few pages “ when the sum total is “22 pages plus 12 others “ presumably boxes

[@Takobella]

Destiny’s take on a Brianna is so full of shit. I don’t agree with her on everything but she advocates for a lot of good things too. His take on her is so black and white.

[@Nettamorphosis]

I didn’t like that he called her bad faith. She admittedly doesn’t know the nooks & crannies of every policy, but she is certainly not a bad faith grifter who doesn’t believe what she’s saying.

[@Takobella]

@@Nettamorphosis exactly! Him calling her “bad faith” was such a cop out. He might disagree with her, but all her opinions and debates are done with the intention of forwarding a constructive dialog IMO

[@titusorelius9458]

Destiny is a centrist dem so hates Brianna and the Bernie crowd by default.

[@vulcanh254]

@@titusorelius9458 "centrist" doesn't sound quite right because he is "fully" democrat. Like there's nothing the democrats can say or do that would ever make him go "wow that's bad". He just finds excuses for their incompetence / lies and thinks DNC corruption and collusion with MSM and big tech are just coincidences. In this sense he's the mirror equivalent of a trump cultist. So I don't see how that is centrist.

[@titusorelius9458]

@@vulcanh254 How fucking disappointing. And people actually think Destiny is pure logic?

[@jeffmccool5690]

I think her response on Ukraine was reasonable

[@jadedcode8953]

1:16:50, 1:23:59, 1:24:36 I've never heard of Briahna Joy Gray before, but I'm a fan now.

[@dfwherbie8814]

She’s great

[@jakeinfactsaid8637]

Destiny would be eaten alive in a debate with her. He’s just as ill prepared as Vaush was given his hurried explanation of why he hates her. I don’t agree with most of her social policy prescriptions, and she has a huge lawyer/therapist vibe and way of communicating that feels artificial but she has a remarkable way of keeping the conversation on track and pinning down people on what they believe.

[@dfwherbie8814]

@@jakeinfactsaid8637 he would. She would wipe the floor with him. Richard Wolff did too and he wasn’t even trying lol he turned it into a lecture

[@kellmoney709]

39:44 🤣🤣🤣 what's that noise

[@Tormund_Giantsbrain]

Perfect example of what Vaush means by Destiny's spite based contrarianism. Brie Brie is the literal antithesis of everything Destiny has ever stood for, whether in 2015 or in 2018 or in 2022. And yet he's uncharitably pom pom'ing for her just to get one off on Vaush. Like Brie is not even that high IQ of a debater for Destiny to be this giddy over

[@dozkush]

Rewatching this and hearing Vaush say this is hillarious @01:05

[@realsocratease]

The moment Vaush came in with *NO* position was the moment he lost this debate. It's like watching a boxer who knows they can't possibly win so they're going to clinch for as long as possible trying to run out the clock. Maybe it'll teach him to write down a few bullet points on a note card?

[@neurocapable]

Vaush did prepare for this debate. He watched hours of KZbin videos featuring Christopher Hitchens to try to mimic the cadence and intonation.

[@johnrborowski]

Destiny, if BJG is sounding reasonble, could it be that she's reasonable??? And not just that Vaush wasn't prepared.............

[@jaydezifour988]

Or... it could because Vaush did a bad job shitting on her ideas.

[@roman343]

How does this follow? She definitely sounds more reasonable than Vaush but that's because Vaush is bad at responding. To 99 percent of her points I can think of better responses than Vaush lmao

[@johnrborowski]

@@roman343 i'm an outsider to the debate world. my preference would that Vaush's performance had more to do with him needing a little more education on FTV. which is fine to me... is this a debate, or a learning opportunity

[@shiiswii4136]

I've never heard her talk and I agree, I think destiny is overly defensive to all the people in the space he's in because it's a potential future enemy, as it typically goes in this toxic bitchy world of (online) politics

[@olemanyounger5040]

If you have no political power, assisting people who do have political power because they tangentially agree with you is brain dead.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

Am I the only one who feels like the official Destiny channels need to either start uploading videos faster or tell clip channels to stop uploading new stuff that hasn't been on the official channels? I literally just watched this yesterday.

[@magnolia4493]

Stop being a fed, let side channels cook

[@punishedfurry2611]

He recently had a youtube strike that just got lifted last night so he couldn't upload videos.

[@justfitz08]

@@magnolia4493 If someone else was making money by stealing your stuff I doubt you'd be cool with it anymore.

[@magnolia4493]

@@justfitz08 if I was making 500k + a year and people stole my content in such a way that increased my reach and potential new followers, I'd be chill asf

[@magnolia4493]

@@justfitz08 also the irony of us talking about this over destiny effectively stealing the work of others lol