Sam Seder Doesn't Back Down In HEATED Debate

[@destiny]

Do you guys think Jimmy Dore or Briahna Joy Gray would ever agree to debate Destiny?

[@chrisk2740]

They're too grifty and Destiny has too many bad labels from lefties

[@drphoenix8246]

Rephrase: Do they want to get destroyed by Besting. Which is a girls game btw

[@larryhughes4058]

I think Katie Halper would love to debate Destiny as a matter of fact I dropped your name during her livestream last night and she seemed very down. You are really gonna get your ass kicked though.

[@larryhughes4058]

@@chrisk2740 Imagine being so fucking ignorant that you think Jimmy Dore is a grift and not the authentic thing.

[@chrisk2740]

@@larryhughes4058 I dont know much about him tbh, maybe he's just genuinely stupid. I was mostly refering to BJG as a grifter. Still dont see him debating destiny tho

[@rocketsniper8726]

Destiny? That's a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency.

[@tanakanaoshi4769]

^this is how cringe and low IQ destiny's average viewer is

[@kobidavis1752]

@@tanakanaoshi4769 no u

[@LuridContent]

@@tanakanaoshi4769 nerd

[@T2G-DJT]

@@tanakanaoshi4769 that arrow is pointing to your name babe

[@kalebb7170]

Why does the predetermined course of events have a girls name?

[@Kloutkulture]

Mind you this is the girl who thinks she “owned” Noam Chomsky 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ericdecker2914]

I can’t get you to focus on this for five minutes, which is longer than I’ve spent critically thinking about this.

[@Preacher_.]

Yeah, it was sad that Noam Chomsky even had to argue the fact that in a General Election with 2 options, Biden is demonstrabley better than Trump...m I feel like her time on the Bernie Campaign, and seeing how MSM collectively dog piled & surgically smeared Bernie in the Primary "radicalized her" & left her feeling pure nihilism. 😔

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

Chomsky unironically argued that LEV is good, ignoring the obvious pitfall that better doesnt equal good.

[@Babylauncher3000]

@@xXscreamingkoalaXx does it need to be good if ita better? Progress is meaningless if its incremental.

[@shoeby9273]

@@Babylauncher3000 the entire history of the human race has been incremental progress what the fuck are you talking about

[@OJ_Pimpson]

The most cringe debate ever was Dore v Seder wherein Dore contends that the Dems in Senate would be able to stop Trump from seating a single SCOTUS Justice

[@theideaofevil]

I go back and rewatch it every now and again to bask in how Dore is literally wrong about everything

[@MrCadenita07]

Hahaha, someone should go on Jimmy's live stream and bring it up

[@sirfortesque8757]

exactly.....he also said the Repubs would shun Trump and not cooperate with him at all and the Dems would then become super Progressive....he's so wrong about so many things...

[@Jay-zt1pq]

He specifically said it was more likely for the moon to fall into Lake Michigan 🥴

[@janusgahrstre1998]

The senate was able to stop each scotus nomination. Do you not know how it works?

[@TheNathanTR]

Everyone knows who Sam is, he’s the health inspector in Bob’s Burgers

[@UEGMEAT]

Now I can't get it out of my head

[@CoffeeLver13]

I’m a minute and a half in and that’s all I hear now ☠️

[@mrtekbunny]

Sadly, Jimmy Pesto was attending the Jan 6th failed insurrection attempt.

[@wowman542]

Not gonna lie, a government 101 stream does sound like some good content imo.

[@jeffgojail]

These idiots need a government point .01 course "Chapter 1: The President Is Not A King".

[@joesmith4965]

@@jeffgojail executive orders would like to have a word with you

[@jeffgojail]

@@joesmith4965 You can't fund things with executive orders and executive orders can be undone the second you leave office… just ask Donald Trump. There's no way in hell you could get something like medicare for all through executive order so it's a moot issue

[@joesmith4965]

@@jeffgojail while I think you are right ideally I think you are wrong practically. Obama and Trump used executive powers that were not thought possible prior to their presidencies. I genuinely think things like MFA could be passed by if someone came into the white house with their dick swinging. Trump came in very weak and did very little and even he threw his weight around very aggressively

[@jeffgojail]

@@joesmith4965 The president can't appropriate funds through executive orders. Yes they can move funds around but not 35 trillion dollars. It's fantasy to think that, not to mention that it's a dangerous road giving the president that much power in a system that's supposed to have 3 separate and equal branches of government

[@Preacher_.]

7:33 Bad Take... The United Kingdom's Healthcare and Hospital system is entirely State Owned... Any non elective healthcare is free at the point of service, along with Prescriptions in many cases. Hell, in Wales, Scotland, and Ireland Prescription costs are fully funded by the government, no one has to pay a dime at the point of service for any of their medication.

[@theideaofevil]

@@The_passiveObserver what? You are comically wrong about this. Hospitals are owned and operated by NHS trusts, which are part of the NHS. Medical staff are literally NHS employees. What the actual fuck are you on about.

[@lhn2370]

@El Ultimo Pibe Piola de Internet If you limit this to Western countries then yes. Otherwise no. It's very rare.

[@Figgy20000]

Canada as well It's honestly shocking how many Americans defend such a horrible system that the rest of the first world has already solved. Maybe one day they'll convert to Metric as well like the rest of the civilized planet.

[@miniman2132]

@@Figgy20000 the one thing I wish I could get every American who is on the fence to understand about a place like the United Kingdom, is that there are NO SUCH debates about whether we should privatise our healthcare over here .. the moment a politician suggests it, their career is over. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t forces pushing to privatise it, but they can’t do so as a matter of public policy. It is so popular they would lose all support.

[@gregs9210]

@@Figgy20000 the thing with Canadian health care that people seem to ignore, at least in the most populated province, is that a lot of our clinics are privately owned/run, this idea that universal health care=state runs everything is patently false and both sides are guilty of misrepresenting it this way.

[@jessiejoy1703]

Fuck I was hoping the debate was between Seder and destiny

[@tanakanaoshi4769]

They're both gay

[@Fe22234]

Same I wonder what they would debate they are both very pragmatic guys. Just a discussion would be great. I am sure sam would like to talk about the real world action destiny is engaging in.

[@ataridc]

@@Fearcely ..really? Sam is a smart guy but he's not a super great debater... also they probably wouldn't even argue

[@bobjenkins4925]

Sam-zilla vs Dong

[@johnolson7129]

@@tanakanaoshi4769 neither of them are homosexual

[@Kloutkulture]

Imagine believing Twitter consensus is indicative of the entire DNC’s position. LOL

[@mikedematteo4672]

Exactly...thats her biggest mistake

[@chrisp4908]

Who believes that? God I hate online discourse and you people are as bad as everyone else.

[@kevinborchers3522]

@@chrisp4908 I mean Brianna has made it evident many times in the past year or so that she is too online. Its why Bernie ppl were so caught off guard by his defeat. Most dem voters have no clue whats happening on twitter. Its the one thing Biden was really great at. He ignored the day to day twitter/online left, while Breanna and others became even more engaged in that arena. So yea they might not literally think twitter=DNC consensus but some of these younger progressives are in fact, too online.

[@twenty-fifth420]

I just checked someone who made a dumb poll and he acted like this was proof of the victor. Apparently, appeal to popularity is what passes for a good argument this day. She thinks the same too and it is brain worms. Unbelievable, I literally never thought I would side with Sam Fucking Seder of all people. I dont know this woman, but she seems pretentious.

[@blususpect]

Exactly these people think it reflects real life....

[@serjaimelannister6630]

I love Destiny, and his perspective is usually spot on, but his takes on Bernie’s run for the nomination (around 24:00 and after) are very misguided. I agree that conspiracy talk is silly, and that at the end of the day Biden was just more popular, but Destiny tries excessively hard to make his point and it seems more like severe hyperbole rather than truth at times here. For example, Bernie definitely didn’t “fail miserably”. He was off to a very hot start, and I believe historically he was off to a better start than just about any candidate in primary race history. SC was very much a make or break state for Biden, because he was severely on the ropes. Its either ignorant or dishonest to argue that Bernie wasn’t doing exceptionally well pre-SC, which in election studies is considered to be the most crucial part of the race by far.

[@wisetrollman]

While I do think Destiny likes to use a bit inflammatory language when it comes to Bernie after all the abuse and harassment he got from lefties for not deifying him, he is right.

[@serjaimelannister6630]

@@wisetrollman Yeah I think broadly he is correct. I really only take issue with how he characterizes the Bernie 2016 campaign, which electorally looked really promising (until it didn’t). Being charitable, I think he is just employing some extreme hyperbole, but if not then it is pretty misguided

[@nelsonhamilton8262]

Feel like this is more a result of him being laughed at and called a moron for the entire primary cycle for thinking that Biden was the obvious frontrunner. So he’s taking a bit of a victory lap. Personally I don’t think it’s productive to be that harsh on Bernie Sanders even if yeah his electoral strategy was pretty bad and he just didn’t even attempt to really cater to moderates in the party. Biden has certainly moved left on several big issues by comparison.

[@GwenISayJump]

Thank you. His belligerent anger towards those of us that can see what happened, treating us like it must be as invalid as the perspectives shared by the Jimmy Dore/B. Gray sect of the left, is very unfortunate and misguided as you said. It hurts because the short temper wasn't even justified.

[@mizel101]

10/10 Thumbnail. The only thing that would have made it better was if Destiny played MGS 2 during this debate.

[@weebtrash6119]

I was disappointed that he wasn’t

[@walkerh.7851]

@@danoco6385 Yeah crowder’s too busy debating kids with no debate or political experience. Seder definitely isn’t his kind of opponent lmao

[@Suave121]

@@danoco6385 sounds like your projecting

[@walkerh.7851]

​@@danoco6385 What would I be coping about lol... I didn't even know crowder was gonna debate H3H3 before he got exposed for being a coward, so i'm the opposite of disappointed with what we got

[@walkerh.7851]

@@danoco6385 no? lol why would i care about that... is that what the talking heads tell you we hate? you need to stop being a sheep bro

[@pennclick]

Sam needs to adopt Steven, imagine how powerful Destiny Steven Kenneth Bonnell II Seder would be

[@omniusmaximusgluteuslxix4857]

@@hoordeyah What does that even mean lol? The dude's a socdem, keep facts over feelings my dude

[@ericstein8019]

@@DumplingLord89 I’m not sure how destiny is middle of the road. He has current pragmatic positions but they lead to pretty progressive end goals. I’d put him around the warren and Kamala base of the Democratic Party, supports universal healthcare, greater taxation, social progressivism, pro union, but isn’t anti billionaire and disregards populist rhetoric.

[@arthurmorgan1165]

@@ericstein8019 I'd say Destiny is to the right of Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. Like, Warren is an economic populist who doesn't exactly like billionaires.

[@ericstein8019]

@@arthurmorgan1165 Warren absolutely doesn’t have a hatred for billionaires dude. Destiny is too the right of warren but he is definitely not to the right of Kamala. That’s why I said somewhere in between warren and Kamala. Destinys main issue with warren was her trade policy’s and wealth taxes...that’s it, destiny is also much more to the left on social issues than moderate democrats or even liberal democrats too, and his preferred paid leave programs, union policies, and even healthcare to an extent seem to be more left leaning than the Biden Harris administration, unless they decide to push more left in the coming months/years.

[@arthurmorgan1165]

@@ericstein8019 Warren absolutely destroyed billionaires, even made one of them cry on national TV lol. I'm placing Kamala Harris' ideology based on her record in the Senate which is pretty progressive, but yeah I know that she's more of an political opportunist than an idealist. The problem with Destiny is that he always worries about political feasibility and is comfortable with incremental progresses instead of pushing for more. Like Warren's policies were really radical compared to what's politically feasible right now.

[@brentsigmeth3893]

Jimmy Dore = Leroy Jenkins

[@wisetrollman]

lol true 😂

[@onepartyroule]

I dont always agree with Sam, but he's pretty much a mensch.

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

was dat 🤔

[@adrijanvuckovic1004]

an absolute unit

[@Sanosukeafo]

I agree with most of Sam and Destiny's commentary, except that Bernie got "DESTROYED XD" in the primaries. He didn't. He was a close 2nd in both 2016 and 2020. 2nd place is still a loss, but it wasn't a blow out. He had a ton of supporters both times. "Destroyed" is pretty hyperbolic. Maybe he's just saying that to trigger us leftists though.

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

I think “destroyed” is an apt description of what happened, personally. It wasn’t very close.

[@Sanosukeafo]

@@danoco6385 Did you have a stroke writing this comment?

[@Sanosukeafo]

@@danoco6385 No it's the leftist way of asking you why you can't string together a coherent sentence.

[@Sanosukeafo]

@@danoco6385 I didn't vote for Trump lol.

[@EstaviusMarx]

When he looked up the favourability for Pelosi and sorted by Democrat, I burst out laughing. Why didn’t she actually look up the numbers??!!

[@ericdecker2914]

It doesn’t support her position.

[@chadalpha7983]

She knows those numbers

[@NavyNukerz1337]

Because her only citation was her feelings.

[@NavyNukerz1337]

@@andersondalmeus1406 I understand real life people doing it but public figures on serious topics doing it is so unnerving. Eventually if I was moderator I would just look it up and mention the stats because the whole argument weighed on that loose interpretation of party approval

[@fleebertreatise1063]

When people talk about the favorability of Sanders they don't only use Democrats. When we're talking about these ratings it's entirely possible that someone who's conservative will end up paying attention to a left wing issue because it involves a figure they despise, like Pelosi. And there's independents as well. Regardless of ideology, an event like Pelosi being denied speakership will reach more people's ears when more people have an opinion about her in the first place. Now, what that attention is directed towards and used to advocate for is what you have to be careful about. That's the part where I understand the skepticism, but it could be done right. Also, lefties (or far lefties to be specific) hate Pelosi, so let's just say she brings a lot of people together.

[@lobaxx]

M4A is not in any way “the most left leaning in the world”. We are not even talking about socialized medicine like the NHS or Scandinavia has, we are talking about single payer insurance with private healthcare providers. Canada, France etc have a M4A-like system. However, it would probably be the most *comprehensive* coverage in the world, covering think like dental and glasses. So it’s bold. I’d imagine that such provisions would be compromised away. The important thing is the key mechanism (single payer), the rest is just a starting point for any negotiation. As to the Public Option, no country in the history of the world has tried or implemented PO. In that sense it’s a radical idea because we have no idea if it would actually work and do anything at all to accomplish universal healthcare. It would be an extreme experiment with no evidence to substantiate its usefulness.

[@theideaofevil]

Bless you for this. 🙏

[@kennethsmith5309]

she interrupts him and then yells that he wont let her finish...

[@angleofkaos9459]

That's bullshit he constantly cut her off and talked over her she had to yell at him to get a her point across he does the same thing to Jamie

[@angleofkaos9459]

@@Ill_drink_to_that exactly and now he's on Twitter playing the victim saying she yelled at him for 3 hours

[@angleofkaos9459]

Exactly and his sycophants are attacking her but she's used to what they do the same thing when she was campaigning for Bernie how they love to attack black women

[@joaovitorreisdasilva9573]

"10M followers, and she can't push medicare for all" Could anyone explain the reasoning here for me? Tf?

[@michaelh878]

Its just a strawman. Destiny is on team Seder so he's just going to repeat the bs rather than call him out for it.

[@samc4531]

It's called being way too online

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@michaelh878 ?? Briahna said that..

[@TheRealZeke2003]

@@jesspavlichenko5745 Shhhhh..... Don't talk to the mentally disabled.

[@trevorcorey7910]

After the Chomsky Debate, Virgil publicly said several times that he unequivocally and definitively won the debate. That was an irreverent joke, as I understood it, sort of juxtaposed against the respectful academic background Chomsky is from where that would not be appropriate. Following this debate, Brie actually seems to think she mopped the fooor with Sam. She unironically clipped her long vaush style morally loaded diatribes and threw them all over Twitter today. Literally being the person her co host ironically pretended to be a couple months ago. Their responses to the Michael brooks question were a delicious little microcosm of this. Virgil states that it’s irresponsible and gross to speculate where MB would’ve stood on the debate, while Brie goes on to speculate that not only would Brooks have agreed with her, but that he would’ve been reluctant until she personally won him over. Genuinely pretty gross stuff with her, disagreements aside I lost a lot of respect for Brie during this debate just as a good faith operator.

[@italianwaffle5592]

I feel like 150 characters could've been taken off of this and it would've still made perfect sense.

[@Silverfang447]

Dummy Dore fanatics really are politically ignorant cowards. These people have emotional takes and no real strategy.

[@Silverfang447]

@Defund The Tone Police And cowardly Dore fanatics rely on vapid terminology just to avoid conversation since they're afraid to acknowledge reality; no need to be afraid to read and think for yourself, kiddo. Screeching emotionally online all day and night doesn't appeal to thinking adults. 🤷‍♂️

[@XavierJAlexander]

Medicare for all isn’t even as good as the NHS here in the UK. It’s not even very left wing from a worldwide perspective. Destiny you’d be a conservative in the UK, Europe or Canada. No conservative would ever get rid of the NHS here. Dream bigger dude.

[@lebeaumuni6247]

Isn't it still legal for you guys to still have private health insurance in the UK?

[@wisetrollman]

Lmao lefty thinking Destiny would qualify as conservative in Europe. Holy fuck get off your socialist copium people.

[@XavierJAlexander]

@@wisetrollman Have you ever been anywhere else in the world? Even our conservative party wouldn't try to actually take aware universal healthcare which is more "left wing" than M4A. I'm not even that far on the left by standards over here. America is just the craziest country in the world. Every developed country in the world has a system equivalent or better than M4A.

[@XavierJAlexander]

@@lebeaumuni6247 Yes and M4A doesn't make that illegal either? If you want to pay for private health insurance you can do that, barely anyone does.

[@lebeaumuni6247]

S.1804 - Medicare for All Act of 2017 TITLE I - SEC. 107. PROHIBITION AGAINST DUPLICATING COVERAGE. (a) IN GENERAL.-Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for- (1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or (2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act. I guess technically it allows “alternative medicine” like practices to exist because I doubt those kinds of things would be duplicated by the state. So I guess in that area and maybe cosmetics, private medicine wouldn’t be illegal -_-

[@TheAxlSnaks]

Also, at the end when you think Michael Brooks would've been for it shows your total lack of depth in understanding his politics; he would have been against ForceTheVote 100%. I get that you didn't have a great interview with him all that time ago, but that was more of a *you* problem than a Brooks problem, my guy.

[@BayouBarth]

Yeah, I wish Sam would have stepped in and corrected BJG. I get that Sam didn't want to speak for Michael. Brihanha Joy Grifter has no qualms with doing so.

[@nathandrake5544]

Destiny is such a spiteful hack. He would hate Sam too if they ever engaged in an in depth discussion about economics or politics.

[@adamanderson3042]

"but that was more of a you problem than a Brooks problem, my guy." How could someone else talking for 95% of the conversation be a you problem?

[@KaylaMarie_]

@@adamanderson3042 I love Michael but he did railroad Destiny for no reason in that debate lol

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@adamanderson3042 because Michael knew more than Destiny

[@mike0rr]

Had to click off once Destiny said the deck wasn't stacked against Bernie 22 mins in. Did we fucking forget that everyone dropped but Warren? Are we pretending that there wasn't a consolidated effort to stack Biden and shiv Bernie specifically? Bull shit.

[@edvard8449]

As a leftist I don't understand why do American lefties come out with horrible slogans like "force the vote" or "defund the police"

[@bluehurricane9974]

What do you think about the term police accountability instead of defund the police

[@edvard8449]

@@bluehurricane9974 it has less shock value but it sounds more appealing too

[@thatboyneedstherapy7926]

Briahna out here unironically arguing that the constituents of the squad in NYC, Detroit, Minneapolis, Boston, and St Louis would be supportive if the squad put their thumb on the scale to install a Republican speaker of the house. Now I see why they called it the bad faith podcast.

[@LPAFilm]

That talking point has been DEBUNKED several times, most notably by Ryan Grim. Kill the DNC talking points. Thanks.

[@marcosa2000]

Why would it give the House to the republicans? Something similar happened in the early 1920s and they just kept holding votes until a speaker was elected. Just vote for Noam Chomsky or Cornel West and don't vote present. Then you get to vote again

[@michaelh878]

It's not a 1v1 race Pelosi vs Republican. If Pelosi doesn't get enough votes it goes back to the Democratic party to come up with another name (Or Pelosi again)

[@killerfrenchy]

47:30 This is also how we got universal health care in Canada and is actually how it works to this day. It was started in one province that elected a very progressive leader. It was so popular that other provinces created their own systems. Today each province still runs their health care program and the feds only really get involved to help with some funding and to assist in collaboration between provinces (e.g. setting up agreements to allow a health card in one province to be accepted in a hospital in another province if that person just moved or is a visitor). So this all-or-nothing approach for a U.S.-wide program has always confused me.

[@avenuePad]

Who are you claiming has the "all or nothing" approach? There is a difference between building upon one province or state enacting universal healthcare and the removing of something like paygo. People don't have 15 or 20 years to wait. In Saskatchewan, healthcare happened within three years of Tommy Douglas's gov't. This was also a relatively new landscape in the 60's. The US has plenty of roadmaps to follow. This all or nothing accusation is disingenuous, especially coming from someone who is likely Canadian and has healthcare.

[@gregs9210]

While each province has their own health care system, many of Ontario's clinics are privately owned.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@gregs9210 But the care provided in them isn't

[@Jeevanm71]

It annoys me how much I agree with destiny on this. As a socialist, I’d rather not jeopardize the very little power we have right now to do anything for regular ppl

[@titusorelius9458]

We don't have power to do jackshit without the approval of the Corrupt Dem Leadership. That's why we have to get rid of them or else we will get crumbs like always.

[@Jeevanm71]

@@Fearcely agreed. Bernie lost the primary because black ppl in the south didn’t vote for him. If we want to move the progressive movement forward, the key is to win those folks. Force the vote on a stand alone reparations bill, and you get those ppl to pay attention. Voting against reparations in this climate is far more deadlier than voting no for M4All

[@ogolthorp]

@@titusorelius9458 and humiliating yourselves by forcing a vote on something that is doomed to fail spectacularly will set back the leftist agenda decades. It becomes harder to primary more traditional dems if random people think progressives can’t get anything done.

[@T2G-DJT]

@@titusorelius9458 How do we get rid of the corrupt dem establishment?

[@blargh3428]

@@T2G-DJT Honestly the only way I see this going is to vote for more progressive dems wherever you can in whatever state you're in. Doing stuff like Destiny did in Georgia etc.

[@zeke5683]

my life sucks. but at least i’m here early

[@fukubaby]

i hope your life gets a lil better soon, sending you love buddy

[@aby110]

Hopefully it gets better soon pepohug

[@lawrence4301]

why does your life suck

[@delv834]

We love you, brother

[@AnimeFan9833]

Now you're a winner!

[@khold15]

I am a fan of Virgil Texas on Chapo Trap House which is mostly about cynical fun with the hypocrisy and absurdity of modern politics. I don't know how much of a real analyst of serious politics he is but Briahna Joy Gray seems really outmatched here by Sam Seder who has a much better grasp of how politics actually works.

[@chadalpha7983]

The show is called "Bad Faith" a little on the nose there Brie

[@Kloutkulture]

Yea, let’s get a Freshman Congresswoman to attempt to bully the speaker of the house who has a 70 percent approval rating. Oh yea, with no strategy or concessions. 😂😂😂😂

[@friendlypup5650]

Sam: listen, I just think we need to be careful with how we do this politically. This blind leap of faith is very dangerous and I don’t feel comfortable letting Jimmy Dore take the lead Brie: YOU DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL STRATAGY AND DONT WHAT PEOPLE TO HAVE HEALTHCARE😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

This whole subject has been so infuriating... if one more leftist tells me that I do not care about getting m4all because I disagreed with this crap, or tells me how people are suffering so HOW DARE I disagree, I'm going to shoot up a school or some shit. Using emotional manipulation w/ zero regard to practicality is bottom of the barrel conservative politicking. FFS this is why the left never wins! So many young lefties need to learn what "coalition" means!

[@adamtrott78]

@@interdimensionalsteve8172 lefty here. Jimmy dore, the main force behind this BS, is not even a socialist, he’s a dipshit socdem who only thinks in terms of “establishment” and “anti-establishment”. He thinks AOC of all people Is now a corporate shill because she doesn’t want to destroy her relations in the house. Brianna joy Gray is of this same ineffective, insane mindset. If somehow pelosi didn’t get the votes the first time, she will get the votes. There aren’t enough progressives the house to effect any vote like this. It’s lunacy.

[@dreamlike8655]

I love how you frame m4a as the most radical extreme thing to ever happen to any country and yet it's basically how almost every other developed nation does it..

[@sevenakuma6490]

not to any country, OUR country

[@TheRealBrit]

@@sevenakuma6490 but he said "in the world" not in America or in this country America is not the only country

[@NoodleBoiCaraxes]

None of them have abolished private health care insurance. The only thing that comes close is the NHS.

[@Junebug89]

@@NoodleBoiCaraxes NHS is way more progressive than M4A lol, its actually government provided healthcare as opposed to government provided insurance. By the way, the m4a bill does not abolish private healthcare insurance either. It only prevents insurance that offers the same things M4A already covers.

[@NoodleBoiCaraxes]

@@Junebug89 Oh my bad, I must've misunderstood. I'll have to read up on it!

[@biggamanedabeast5247]

I like Briahna but she got worked like an OT shift with triple pay. She already came in on a shaky promise to begin with but she couldn't get anything going without it being properly shut down by Seder. GGs

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

How? Did we watch the same conversation? The opposite seemed true as Sam didn't understand basic house rules.

[@MarcusOwnsYou]

im so disappointed in her for her weird shilling for jimmy dork

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

@@MarcusOwnsYou How was it shilling?

[@303TAG303]

@@BenReillySpydr1962 nah Sam came with the facts and common sense on this. "force the vote" would accomplish nothing

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

@@303TAG303 What facts? Again Sam did NOT understand the house rules. Be specific Please

[@TheAxlSnaks]

49:00 Destiny, bud, I've been with you basically this whole video, even through the anti-bernie snickering, but to suggest that M4A being better for people "just isn't true" shows how far removed you are from the average person. Even if everything was the same in terms of infection rates - it wouldn't riddle people with debt and other exorbitant medical costs that those countries you mentioned don't deal with.

[@Dennzer1]

Did Destiny really say that? The mind boggles. What a stupid thing to say.

[@nathandrake5544]

So you think that National Nurses United, DSA, Ady Barkan, and all the organizers who support medicare for all are just "people on twitter?"

[@TheAxlSnaks]

@@nathandrake5544 who are you talking to

[@nathandrake5544]

@@TheAxlSnaks You said you agreed with everything else Destiny said, so presumably you also share his assessment that "medicare for all is just a pet project for people on twitter to look virtuous," and not a grassroots movement irl

[@TheAxlSnaks]

@@nathandrake5544 those things aren't mutually exclusive, try harder

[@billbutton8468]

Destiny throwing shade at Bernie really sucks cause he just refuses to acknowledge the way they went against him. Its not exactly why he lost but it was there. And he did drop out when he has no chance. Someone who didn't was Warren. Destiny tries to be dumb

[@michaelh878]

I think he believes being dishonest is ok if the outcome is good.

[@Avengerie]

@@michaelh878 so does Breitbart.

[@michaelh878]

@@Avengerie The relevance?

[@Avengerie]

@@michaelh878 Everyone believes their outcome is good. That's how we get Breitbart and Koch-funded media. If there was more honesty in politics, people might have gotten what they want slower, but they would have gotten it. Instead you have all sides checking each other and peddling fallacies and falsehoods, because no one believes the other side is above it.

[@adamanderson3042]

@@michaelh878 "I think he believes being dishonest is ok if the outcome is good." If you think that about Destiny then you just display how little you know about him considering he's been unpartnered, shamed, ridiculued, ostricised over 20 times over a wide range of topics over the last 12 years, Destiny's biggest position is truth and honesty and crafting systems and rules that are applied universally and consistently. He literally had a debate with Vaush 2 months ago where Vaush's position was VERBATIM what you just accused Destiny of and Destiny was disagreeing with him.

[@robertgalindo5979]

Is sam seder unironically great? Everytime I see him he is pushing back against nonsense and seems to actually know how the electoral process we are stuck with works.

[@hdudidi]

he’s the best politics youtuber besides maybe Pakman, but he’s more entertaining then David

[@blackraider777]

he's best DNC shill who pretends to be progressive on youtube beside maybe Pakman

[@Kloutkulture]

@@blackraider777 You’d have to be on drugs to consider Sam a DNC shill LOL

[@michaelh878]

If you're happy with just whining about the way things are while refusing to do anything about it then yes he's awesome.

[@americaninsurgent4403]

@@michaelh878 Sounds like you’re describing the leftist morons he pushes back on. All they do is whine with no actual feasible solutions while Sam and other reasonable leftists want to make progress and have realistic ways of achieving it.

[@ABitOfApplause]

Left is Best

[@mikedematteo4672]

Seder's position was very easy to take....Jimmy sucks and FTV would backfire...Not really that complicated.

[@24base]

Sender's point was not that force the vote would back fire. He was indifferent to it and struggles to actually say categorically what would be wrong with force the vote. His primary argument was that Jimmy dore was the leader of the movement and he did not like it.

[@wisetrollman]

@@24base it was definitely one of his points.

[@Colesalad]

@@24base He did say what was categorically wrong with it; That spending time on it would only be time wasted towards passing realistic policies that could actually move us closer to M4A. Jimmy Dum-Dum (and his harsh words for AOC) was neither here nor there, as un-impactful as FTV itself, which was his main point.

[@totorosdad965]

You would think it isn’t complicated but unfortunately the left likes to turn every simple point or practical disagreement into a fucking months long argument, stir up the infighting, and then ultimately effect nothing. 🤝

[@mikedematteo4672]

@@totorosdad965 very true....lot of petty personality based infighting. The only thing I disagreed w/ Seder about was this idea that the Squad's reputation as progressive maverick outsiders must be preserved & they can't ever be seriously mocked or critiqued.

[@PeakedInterest]

I think destiny was either being disingenuous or mistaken when he said Bernie got plenty of coverage during both primaries. Sure, he did but it wasn't exactly positive. He was basically projected to the capitalist American audience as the candidate who wanted to destroy capitalism. It definitely wasn't positive at all. He got plenty of coverage but if that's the coverage you're gonna get maybe it's better to get none because that coverage didn't just destroy him in 2016 it carried over recently too.

[@imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327]

i mean u could say the same thing about trump

[@TheRealBrit]

How is m4a more left than anything in the world?

[@samm6853]

IM FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDIIIINNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[@gabrielanderson8867]

OOOO

[@hugonamenlos7218]

FEEEEED MEEEEEEE

[@dsquarehead0175]

eating content in my FFFEEEEEEDDDD

[@chrisp4908]

I’m disappointed in Destiny here. He was as uncharitable towards Bri as possible and even I disagree with her on this issue. Destiny used multiple strawman arguments. Bri is looking at it through an organizing perspective and Destiny is only incapable of focusing on electoral politics.

[@zira6776]

The way Brie keeps cutting sam off

[@Kurtvileseggnog]

The way Sam cuts off and talks over his female co hosts like everyday smh....

[@zira6776]

@@Kurtvileseggnog doesnt make the fact that Brie kept cutting off sam any less true & i wouldn’t say he cuts off all of his female co hosts just Jamie 💀

[@billbutton8468]

Destiny thinking he's the same as Sam just shows a lot about him tbh. San can deal with the people to the left with him because he doesnt this irrational "left bad" gut feeling for no reason.

[@kyleleblancvlogs3820]

Love destiny, but I feel like even with 10,000+ hours in history experience and knowledge over the years, just wouldn't be enough for destiny to respect the historical opinion or analysis i would propose. Always sad since destiny has said he doesn't know or care much about history. Oh well.

[@chrisp4908]

He doesn’t know much about anything really. He knows a little philosophy and a lot about current events, that’s it really.

[@jimjim9405]

Yep. He's not as smart as he and his most avid fans think he is. He does the bare minimum (such as preparing for debates) and then goes up against white pride anti-black red hats that literally didn't take 2 minutes to prepare, that expect to "stream of consciousness" their way through a debate. Yeah seems real hard. Mad props for correcting racist misinfo data points with the power of: "what ever articles are on Page 1 of Google Search". Only dumb people (Which includes Destiny) would think PWNING a bad faith racist red hat in a moderated debate is a sign of great intelligence. Destiny literally passes the bare minimum threshold and requirements and he and his fans think he's an unstoppable bold truth teller. Me pointing all this out is actually saying less about Destiny as a person but more about how low the bar is in Left discourse thanks to this era of social media and all the brainlets popularized politics has brought onto the scene.

[@kyleleblancvlogs3820]

I give him more credit than the other replies it seems. I respect his progress of analyzing information and a variety of tactics used to attempt to convey information effectively. I just find on certain things we differ, as to be expected. I enjoy analyzing where I disagree with destiny and perhaps why

[@user-yc8qi2yu4j]

I would 100% watch a Destiny and Sam Seder politics show, hell I’d sub to it and give money whenever I could to it. That would be so helpful to online left discourse I think

[@friendlypup5650]

Destiny, pakman and Seder are the only online mainstream leftists worth listening to

[@aaronlawrence6350]

@@friendlypup5650 Michael Brooks was great, shame he passed away. I wouldn't really call Destiny a "leftist" either, he's like a center-left neolib. Not an enemy, in my mind, but not going as far as I wanna go.

[@friendlypup5650]

@@aaronlawrence6350 it depends on how you view left. He’s as far left as he can be while still being a strong capitalist

[@jimjim9405]

Pretty cringe to tack someone like Destiny onto people like Pakman and Sam. While those guys run a show, employ people, do intensive research and have a variety of guests on (that aren't just streamers), while doing their best to avoid being cringey reactionary contrarian hyperbolic screamers and instead doing a professionally toned news show... It's literally delusion. You're off in space man. Destiny is streaming other people's videos from Mum's house while playing games, tossing out reactionary commentary and screeching at people at chat who send him donations.... Pakman and Sam are on an entirely different tier to Destiny. And I'm sorry but Destiny very rarely has good takes that get things right. "Worth listening to"? Depends if you think hyperbole, video games and politics are an efficient mix for effecting positive change.

[@friendlypup5650]

@@jimjim9405 boomer alert

[@ibrahimbeats]

tfw briahna says "you may not personally be against it but the sam seder universe is" but also without any mention of jimmy dore that she's briahna joy gray and not jimmy dore

[@hugonamenlos7218]

45:50 imagine beeing so emotionaly invested that you are about to cry mid debate

[@ruppelspoopels]

I mean, emotions aren't a disqualification.

[@dreaminginnoother]

It's funny, I have followed lefty media for years and gravitated toward Sam and Destiny. As far as how Sam puts up with the people on his show, he has shut down Jamie pretty hard many times in the past, and gotten flack for it in his comment sections, but I felt like it was always warranted. I think Sam really believes in giving voice to people left of him, but I really like Emma Vigland on his show. She is a great fit. I actually like hearing from her, and as much as I loved Michael, I like that she doesn't interrupt Sam.

[@MichaelCasanovaMusic]

Yeah, Michael’s shoes were always going to be really hard to fill but I couldn’t think of a better fit than Emma.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Vaush is a nice middle ground, I've found. He's pragmatic and practical while still being unapologetically leftist. Out of all these commentators, as a socialist myself, I think Vaush is the best "for the kids." Any young person watching his streams regularly are going to be all right. Destiny can be a little childish at times, especially when talking about folks like Kulinski.

[@chrisp4908]

Because she’s a lot closer to Sam politically. Michael was an actual Marxist.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

@@chrisp4908 ... Isn't Jamie an actual communist?

[@dreaminginnoother]

@@chrisp4908 I'm not saying she is better than Michael for the show. I loved Michael and miss his presence in the lefty media sphere. I just feel intellectually and chemistry wise, Emma is a great compliment. More so than most people who have been on that show. I like Matt too, but he limits his input to when he has something worth saying... Which I also appreciate.

[@flower5185]

47:30 For many things, working at the state level first is great, but for an expansive and expensive plan, it won't always translate due to state's being mandated to have a balanced budget. The federal government has control over the currency and deficit spending which makes the state vs the fed extremely different. Not all plans can scale down completely.

[@TophinatorStreams]

This is why I love Destiny. “….I…f***ing hate politics. I’m gonna just play Rust from now on…” If Destiny COULD quit politics, he still won’t. He loves it. And hates it.

[@finalnoticemedia2122]

Chat asking legitimate question on pretty sideways ass statements Destiny makes. "Ohhhh My Gawwwdd, you guys are so mind-numbing fucking stupid." Mr.D on a high ass high house since he did a little knocking lol.

[@ClemFamdango]

When does she evoke the name of his dead friend?

[@xempire103]

Its at the very end I'm blown away at how sam was able to keep his cool there

[@Alic4444]

Noice. Seems consistent with her general level of thought.

[@burstingturtle]

@@xempire103 Classic loony-progressive tactic when backed into a corner: make it personal and attack the other’s character.

[@lebeaumuni6247]

@@xempire103 Sam is used to have crazy conversations with libertarians and other right wingers so he has a lot of practice XD

[@DF-we4pt]

Some people confuse having an opinion with being correct. Sam did great

[@Jones-ke6bt]

I still don't understand how destiny thinks Medicare-for-all is further left than the NHS.

[@BayouBarth]

Good one. I didn't catch that. Maybe he wasn't considering the NHS? I think M4A MIGHT cover more? Whereas NHS is of course actually socializing the health industry. I agree it's still further left than M4A.

[@dukedangles9712]

Jesus can you imagine the bad press holding up that vote would create? They have a small foothold and these idiots want them to lose it

[@trentirvin2008]

Im genuinely wondering Dore is trying to be counter productive

[@Junebug89]

Pretty sure the point is to negotiate ahead of time and get concessions in exchange for joining the floor vote for Pelosi, which is exactly what they actually did. BJG just didn't like the concessions that they got. edit: nvm just got to that part, yeah there's no way that would generate any sort of remotely positive coverage lol.

[@stenergut9661]

Destiny: "M4A, the most extreme left healthcare that would exist in the entire world" Eh, what? M4A is not even the socialdemocratic solution to healthcare, which is further left: socialized medicine, I.E. UK, the nordic countries etc. The reason why M4A is not being passed in the US is that half the country dont believe in government, 160 million (probably less post-covid collapse) believe they have awesome insurance through their employeer, and lastly; it would require a hike in federal income taxes, which would impact high earners disproportionally, when you move from a private lump sum tax (insurance premium) to progressive income tax (federal payroll tax).

[@theideaofevil]

Yeah that was a hilariously absurd take. We'd be brought into parity with Canada and France. Further left healthcare systems? UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan, China... just about every other industrializated nation.

[@o.3313]

“Bernie got crushed” relax weirdo 😂. Sam is completely correct in the debate tho

[@SplashTasty]

Bernie did get crushed though, it wasnt even close

[@homeape.]

this quickly morphed into a destiny vs chad instead of sam vs briahna discussion

[@yungdash4852]

Sam, Dpak and destiny are the only online progressives I trust these days

[@BlanBlan19901990]

You can’t support Biden and simultaneously be a progressive

[@fanyfan7466]

@@BlanBlan19901990 you're so wrong you dont even know how wrong you are

[@michaels8620]

Not me. Is destiny even progressive, honest question?

[@fanyfan7466]

@@michaels8620 Yes. Unless you're super exclusive with your definition of progressive, by any reasonable metric he is. Pick pretty much any social issue, he holds the progressive belief. In economic issues, he's not as far as someone like Bernie Sanders but he's still quite progressive.

[@michaels8620]

@@fanyfan7466 ok thanks. I guess by US standards he qualifies.😊 not tryina play gatekeeper. Personally these guys all lost me on this issue. It was common sense and the agreed upon philosophy and then half the left started singing a different tune.

[@thotjesus2270]

Briahna Joy Gray came off pretty bad obviously, but my God Destiny has the worst centrist lib politics/worldview I've ever heard. I'm surprised but he actually really is as unlikable as everyone warned me about.

[@jimjim9405]

Largely agree. However, his takes on Bernie are absolutely correct and most people in our movement (Lefties) simply can't cope with the reality that young people just straight up didn't turn out. They were very busy tweeting big brain one liners at Boomers to actually show up. Yeah, I'm making a joke, but the sad reality is this is pretty close to being the truth of the matter. The Left talks a big game online and has a huge megaphone on various social medias but when it comes to crunch time the young adults don't (and didn't) even show up to vote. We (including Bernie) literally depended on them. We anticipated huge turn out, thanks in large part to the amount of money and social media attention that was pouring in from them. But they failed us, and the planet, and instead of accepting the reality and taking responsibility they instead listened to shows like Kyle Kulinski's and say "fuck it, it was rigged anyway, it's not my fault, must have been the centrists/rich/corporations/fill in the blank".

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Bernie was going to reform the DNC - this is the ENTIRE reason why it was important for him to win the primary. As the party leader, he could go on a firing rampage and completely reshape the DNC from within (as he said he was planning on doing many times and NO other candidate was touching). THIS alone is what the DNC feared, and is why they collectively did everything they could to stop him.

[@indiahodgson3816]

well then i’m glad he didn’t win. he’s not even a member of the party - why should he get to reshape it in his image, especially when he lost?

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

But he didn't win the primary

[@upbnap2119]

When Destiny can't hold his own, he gets emotional and calls you stupid.

[@smoovjazz8029]

He's very Trumpian in this way...

[@upbnap2119]

@@smoovjazz8029 lol, Biden voter eh)

[@smoovjazz8029]

@@upbnap2119 no.

[@garrymiller3171]

@@upbnap2119 yes

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

The thing is, on the flip side, how many times do you really want to answer the same questions over and over and over? I would get annoyed by the repetitiveness too, if I was in his position. Obviously, this isn't the best strategy for winning people over, but the pettiness is at least understandable.

[@GKJusticar55]

This is a pet peeve of mine but, why are the Young Turks called the Young Turks? Isn't that really tone deaf?

[@cult_m3chanicu523]

Cenk uygur was an Armenian genocide denier and named his show after the young Turks who committed the genocide or something like that it was all a long time ago and I’m pretty sure he’s come around and said he now accepts it as real but idk, also this is info I got wayyyy back when i watched steven crowder when I was an idiot so it could all be wrong

[@GKJusticar55]

@@cult_m3chanicu523 damn, you'd think something like that would get you cancelled.

[@bistromathcommander8950]

Young turks has more than one meaning. It also means 'a progressive or rebellious member of an organization'. It also has that other negative background in relation to the Armenians. I think Cenk meant the former when he named it The Young Turks. Cenk's nephew, Hasan, explained it in a stream. He even called his uncle a dumbass for once being a denier and said that knowing Ana Kasparian made him change his mind.

[@GKJusticar55]

@@bistromathcommander8950 that really takes some explaining to justify though. That doesn't seem responsible.

[@malikshabazz2065]

bad faith is a pretty good name for their pod

[@ABitOfApplause]

One thing destiny misses here is that when Sam talks about how we are going to be dealing with the Pandemic for the next two years at least he isn't just talking about infections and the like, he's referring to the lingering health effects (Think emergency workers on 9/11) and the economic effects. You could conceivably be passing legislation related to the pandemic a decade from now.

[@MrManray23]

Plus with all these new variants I suspect new mutations or strains could arise just like the normal flu and we would probably need vaccines for those as well. Spanish flu lasted like 3 years.

[@ABitOfApplause]

@@MrManray23 There's no indication that the vaccine won't work on any of the new variants. The variants that COVID has shown are normal and not unexpected. The Flu variants are much different. The virus will be handled by winter, but there lingering problems that will stick around.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

@@ABitOfApplause it didn't lol

[@dukedangles9712]

Wow was she really the National Press Secretary for Bernie Sanders? WTF!?

[@johnarbuckle2619]

Yeah, bad move... Being a Harvard graduate doesn't necessarily make you smart.

[@Jdrunnin]

Her argument is unironically we didn’t exploit this emergency enough

[@k1lluachan]

yes ant its the correct thing to do but its not worth to burn all your political capital for it i also liked the idea off pressure from jimmy but he over shot it its was clear thad he used this opportunity to try to tear down the just dems and dsa to because ther are successful and a thorn in his third party fantasies

[@yesthisispatrik9292]

I think her way of doing it is wrong and is just disgusted beyond belief of her reference to Michael Brooks at the end but I do think that we should exploit any emergency as much as we can. That's what the right is doing and if we don't we will always be on the back foot. Edit: to clarify, I think force the vote is really stupid.

[@lstarkiller1]

His absolutely irrational, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred for a Bernie, M4A, and progressives is unbearable.

[@tjdh34]

When someone's rebuttal to your argument is so substantive that you have nothing else to say, so you automatically go into virtue signal mode. This was hard to watch, people are saying that sam lost this debate. Are they watching the same video?

[@furiousapplesack]

I think it's just Dore fans who are suffering from the sunk cost fallacy. Way too invested in the person and the concept and to go back on that would be a personal betrayal of the morals they've depended on virtue signaling. Imagine spending all your time in comment sections accusing people who disagree on tactics of being democratic party shills who just want millions of people to die. Kind of hard to walk that back. EDIT: Also a bunch of them are idiots.

[@chrismeloni2046]

Destiny, This was part of the problem. Bernie Sanders staffed a bunch of people who confused internet clout with non-internet politics. Briahna, can't see outside her bubble.

[@ESintu3]

She cuts him off and then asks to finish so much. Even when he's just saying "I didn't say that". If the person you're talking to thinks you're misrepresenting them, asking to finish your thought without even attempting to sort that out is a bitch move. I don't understand how anyone can like this person.

[@colinbruulsema7177]

@7:40 is medicare for all not the same as single payer healthcare? What makes that more radical than the single payer healthcare lots of countries have?

[@jonray4103]

M4A is precisely single payer, and, give or take in the minutia, exactly what other countries do. Destiny is either horribly uninformed or he's intentionally disingenuous.

[@colinbruulsema7177]

@@jonray4103 I think he knows this and he has not much incentive to lie here. Probably just he's mad, but maybe he means that the process of dismantling huge insurance companies would be unprecedented, which is probably true. I still think its bad to refer to the policy as radical though, since its not that weird globally to want and get single payer healthcare. Its just that America is in a crazy situation and it will be hard to get out of it.

[@jonray4103]

@@colinbruulsema7177 the difficulty of escaping this horrible system is a good reason not to demonize efforts to escape this system.

[@Woodsy2575]

If their position was as widely supported by voters as they say, Bernie would be on his second term

[@vaegar3770]

I came, I saw, I came, I saw I praise the Lord, then break the law I take what's mine, then take some more It rains, it pours, it rains, it pours

[@italianwaffle5592]

Weni widi weni ;)

[@wisetrollman]

catJAM

[@shaunmcevoy8057]

Destiny says that M4A is the most left leaning healthcare system in the world (if it was to be implemented) so how is it different to what I have in my country the NHS? Genuinely curious, only articles I can see on the issue asks me to subscribe to read them and fuck that

[@theronerdithas2944]

It's not that m4a is the most extreme left system in the world, it's that Bernie's system of m4a is on par with the most extreme left healthcare systems. The cost, the scope, the elimination of a lot of jobs in the heath insurance business, the banning of private insurance on everything the govt. system covers, that includes vision and dental. Think you can probably find a picture comparing the healthcare systems of different countries and what they cover.

[@shaunmcevoy8057]

@@theronerdithas2944 cheers for the reply mate. That makes sense banning private cover seems dumb to me if rich people want to pay for private healthcare while they also pay taxes towards public healthcare then why stop them

[@theronerdithas2944]

@@shaunmcevoy8057 yea that's what I think too, though i think some people have argued that the very existence of for profit healthcare can be bad. I vaguely remember Trihex arguing with Destiny over it on the DT podcast a while ago. I think the argument was something like: if you have a public option and don't ban private health insurance, the people who run them will lobby congress(insert legislative body here) to strip funding/ generally make the public system less effective, and those same people will then say: Look a how inefficient and bad this govt healthcare system is, and then they will push for privatisation. Cheers

[@blargh3428]

45:50 tbf destiny you raise your voice and yell all the time in you're debates there buddy. lol

[@TravelWithBradley]

She's screaming and on the verge of tears. You know exactly what destiny means... Because you're listening to the same clip. Context to his language matters. Stop et.

[@argonaut8560]

Dang this just came up right in my feeeeed

[@valkondarvalakev6377]

Destiny is such a centrist. In retrospect what Briahna said stands true. They didn't force the vote because AOC was holding her gunpowder for 15. Well its july 2021 and we don't have 15, or anything else. WE have more MORE, not less military spending, more police spending, less employed and ensured people. Destiny's centrism is repugnant

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

1st 15min wage died in the Senate. 2nd how would AOC and 5 others in the HOUSE stop higher defense spending?

[@valkondarvalakev6377]

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq 1. You can raise for for all federal employees. You can also threaten senators with running people or supporting people against them, cutting funding for their state etc. There are solf and hard options to do it. The fact that he doesn't shows how pathetic he is and why he is so low, the only thing he cares about is his donors. 2. AOC and the others can begin a medica campaign calling other senators out, support against military spending that is wasteful is through the roof especially after afganista.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

@@valkondarvalakev6377 yeah how is that working on Manchin right now?

[@valkondarvalakev6377]

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq What do you mean how is hat working on manchin is Enlighs not your first language or are you asking what aloe cream he uses on his ass

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

@@valkondarvalakev6377 AOC SANDERS OTHER PROGRESSIVES CALLED OUT MANCHIN IN MEDIA. HOW IS THAT WORKING?

[@laurensruben8791]

Destiny, 58:30 I'm no expert but did you consider that infected/sick people will possibly not gain immunity to a mutated virus strain. From what I've read it seems that this is still a big unknown. Now assume worst case scenario and I'd expect that there will be flares of infections due to a local virus strain traveling to new environments. If this is the case, lockdowns may still be relevant over a year from now, up until our vaccine production process is flexible enough to adapt to new strains fast enough.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

I saw this live and I have to give the editor props for making this a lot more watchable for the youtube video.

[@Fe22234]

Sam the realist

[@lurice0]

You're wrong about why bernie lost

[@sangpark5323]

Yea that part kinda pissed me off. The timing of when Warren and Pete/Kloub dropped out was clearly strategic in helping Biden.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

Buttigieg, Cloudbootjar and Bloomberg dropping out and supporting Biden at the last second really hurt Bernie not to mention Booker and Yang among others endorsing Biden too didn't help. Also, Biden was NOT "crushing it" he was like 3rd place behind Bernie and I forgot who was in second. This is what pisses me off about Destiny, he's a smart guy (alot smarter than me) but he gets super angry and is set in his way which are not always correct.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

@Defund The Tone Police Vaush can be like this as well, but Destiny just comes off as extremely pessimistic while Vaush is a tad more light hearted.

[@exiledfrommyself]

Destiny is saying if a majority of the party supported Bernie he would be the nominee. Biden won the nomination because a majority of the party didn't support Bernie. Most Democrats are not where Bernie is.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

@@exiledfrommyself I dunno, I feel like if so many of the other democratic candidates didn't drop out at the last second and endorse Biden the race would of been a lot closer. I guess there's no way of really knowing though. Bernie had over 30% support and Biden was at like 14%. It was the other candidates dropping out and combining their support to Biden that gave him the edge. It also didn't help that Elizabeth Warren was taking voters away from Bernie when she had no shot at winning.

[@M0stlyHarmless9]

@@exiledfrommyself Except he's dead wrong about that. Most Democratic primary voters agreed with Bernie on the issues, but voted for Biden because they believed he was more electable in the general election. This was very clear in all of the exit polling.

[@exiledfrommyself]

@@Ostnizdasht206 The Bernie campaign was counting on the 2/3 Democrats that weren't with Bernie splitting their vote among the moderate candidates allowing him to secure the nomination with a third of the vote. That's the only way he could win since most Democrats are not where he is. When the moderate vote could no longer be split Bernie was toast.

[@Krucius]

Destiny needs to take a breath after reading counter points, he's really shapiro'ish trying to come off like mr. facts talking fast

[@TravelWithBradley]

You mean, shapiro comes off very destinyish. (I still disagree but had to correct you.)

[@connoreasterday306]

Everybody try to get Sam to do a podcast with Destiny...NOW!

[@burgersnpizza]

They did a 'startups' episode back in the day, it's how I learned about TMR. Sam is usually open to doing anything that gets his message out there, I'm sure he wouldn't mind coming on Destiny's stream

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Lol

[@LucasDimoveo]

I'd love to see Destiny talk to Hakim or Richard Medhurst about American foreign policy. That would be interesting to watch

[@wisetrollman]

Destiny would have to brush up on data and ready to fact check cause most lefties approach foreign policy from an anti-american perspectice and bend historic facts accordingly.

[@ravendarkjolls4028]

Ryan Dawson part 2? 😂😂😂

[@LucasDimoveo]

@@wisetrollman one is Iraqi and the other is Syrian. I think that alone would make for an interesting discussion

[@o.3313]

@@wisetrollman most objective sources seem anti American because of how shitty American foreign policy has been

[@chrisp4908]

Lol Hakim wouldn’t lower himself enough to talk to Destiny.

[@mizzeerie1106]

She is such a bad faith grifter imo

[@jimjim9405]

I don't think she's bad faith, I think she's legitimately desperate and it's affected her politics.

[@sklorbit]

He is so blinded by his rage for bernie lol.

[@justingutierrez233]

Strawman. Destiny doesn't really hate Bernie. He just thinks his policy and campaign were not great.

[@sklorbit]

@@justingutierrez233 I hope he sees this bro

[@interycreeper1152]

Maybe Destiny can get David DPak Pakman to connect him with Seder

[@Cycstorm]

The Majority Report know who Destiny is and played clips of his Tim Pool debate. He also debated Michael Brooks. But Jamie Peck HATES him for some takes he had on Twitter calling some reaction to Michael Brooks death virtue signaling. So I dont know how Sam feels about that.

[@interycreeper1152]

@@Cycstorm Oh, ok. I didnt know.

[@friendlypup5650]

Destiny interviewed Sam

[@npwood86]

Brie puts way too much stock in social media following equaling political power. It doesn't really translate. The entire FTV debacle was a giant virtue signal to weed out democrats who won't support M4A when it has no chance in the Senate. There's an easier way of doing it, look into a politician's funding. I would love M4A, but if we're going to be honest, there's no realistic shot of it happening anytime soon. There's nowhere near enough support for it in DC. This was embarrassing for Brie

[@EdertheJust]

Isn't her show called Bad Faith?

[@petemoss7704]

Yeah. It was either going to be called that or "little lord fauntleroy socialist role play hour"

[@bigspice4538]

Like my man Mayor Pete said Medicare for all is the middle position, it's better than what we have now, and it's not a complete government takeover of healthcare like the NHS. Medicare for all would not be the most left healthcare program in the world.

[@janusgahrstre1998]

It would be if it was unfunded. We have a hidden tax to pay for it, that is taken before we get our paychecks. 12,5%X2 tax. Do you think americans would love to be taxed almost 30% for M4A alone, before the regular tax that is lower than that? Not bloody likely.

[@Seb2404]

She cuts him off and says can I finish the sentence

[@SuperSimmy444]

The fact that destiny thinks that the establishment had nothing to do with bernies loss is so strange to me

[@SuperSimmy444]

@Dick weed the coordinated dropouts where positions were obviously promised to people like mayor pete

[@SuperSimmy444]

@Dick weed they were coordinated bc they were all at the same time and it was obvious that bernie would have won if not for their collective effort. Obama was speaking to all of them behind the scenes to make sure bernie had no chance.

[@SuperSimmy444]

@Dick weed theres literally reports of obama speaking with all of these candidates and then magically unqualified mayor pete gets a fancy position from biden and kamala gets vp. Interesting stuff guess its all meaningless

[@addyhadmelike655]

When the front runner of the primary is referred to "other" on news networks, that's NOT favorable coverage, desTINY

[@MixTwentyOne]

Is this a meme?

[@jonray4103]

This is totally true. I forgot the context of the polling question, but Bernie Sanders (the front runner in the race) was lumped into a category called 'other' in coverage of a poll.

[@Christian-ib2ee]

I can not believe that Brianna person went to Harvard WTF

[@Matt-ty6ij]

Destiny is right like 90% of the time in this vid, but when his opinions are wrong, holy shit, yikes. The goal of having more than two parties isn't necessarily for the third party to ever get elected to governing positions (a majority or a part in a coalition). The point is to have a diverse amount of views in politics, which having a third party does NECESSARILY

[@americaninsurgent4403]

Sounds pointless if it doesn’t make any actual impact.

[@Matt-ty6ij]

@@americaninsurgent4403 so moving the discourse in a direction that better represents the population is "pointless"? Bad take dude

[@americaninsurgent4403]

@@Matt-ty6ij The discourse is already moving whether you put a party name to it or not. Saying you want a third party but don’t care if it achieves anything is moronic. The goal for a party should be to gain seats, not some symbolic bs you’re talking about. Pointless “ take “ dude.

[@Matt-ty6ij]

@@americaninsurgent4403 what's symbolic about having a party you can physically vote for in an election?

[@americaninsurgent4403]

@@Matt-ty6ij Didn’t you say the point isn’t to make any gains in government? So there’s no point to having it at all then? There’s diverse thought with it or without it. Sounds like you’re making excuses for a third party not being the viable solution to anything.

[@xXLancelotXx98]

Doesnt reallt matter how many has been infected when there's evidence of you being able to get it twice