Brian Eno and Stephen Fry take on AI - Intercom Off Script Special Edition

[@michelleelsom6827]

A shame this wasn't a longer conversation, enjoyed it, thank you.

[@theworldaccordingto4555]

I was just about to say the same, you beat me to it.

[@theworldaccordingto4555]

PS if you like debates, you might like some of the 'Intelligence Squared' debates. If you like Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens, search KZbin for:- '' The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World - Full Version '' The debate is in front of a theatre audience (who are also asked to interact at the beginning and at the end once they have heard all the arguments for and against the motion "Is The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World"). The debate is between, Stephen Fry & Christopher Hitchens vs Ann Widdecombe & Archbishop John Onaiyekan.

[@deeliciousplum]

@michelleelsom6827 @theworldaccordingto4555 Me, too! You both were ahead of me by a day or two.

[@jbach]

Brilliant conversation! Thanks for posting. As others have commented would have preferred the full unedited version without music.

[@arnoldvilleneuve8397]

Two of my heroes. Great to listen to them.

[@JBDuncan]

The music very annoying and distracting, would have been better to leave this interview completely unedited.

[@googlemeier]

You can use AI to filter it out...

[@bruceaitken1918]

That wasn't music. Eno can't help it now, it always sounds like that around him.

[@frankmurphyburr3598]

Agreed, annoying

[@joechip4822]

OK, the interview didn't need the music, BUT from all videos in recent times where I found the music distracting, this is the one where it doesn't really matter and even adds something interesting to it...

[@quantumHumans]

how that this interview didn't need a music?

[@youchoosealex]

I'd dispute the idea that no-one could foresee the problems inherent to "maximise engagement". Oscar Wilde and P.T. Barnum both said something like, "There's no such thing as bad publicity". Which is, in effect, the same thing.

[@ZER0--]

And something about suckers and birth rate.

[@davidwright8432]

Clearly this meeting is more than 18 mins long. How/where can I access the whole thing?

[@carlosophia]

I was thinking the same here. It's an unique meeting of very interesting people. A very expensive meeting as well. It should be out here.

[@pmccarty]

Yes, please post the entire conversation, minus the ambient background. Yes, it’s Eno, but let’s just listen to them talk.

[@RobertsMrtn]

So nice to hear two smart people discussing something.

[@pushthetempo2]

Sometimes it hard to beleive in this magical tech when we still have billion pound supermarkets who use self service check outs that malfunction all the time and home printers that never print the first time you want it. Sometimes I think we think we are cleverer than we are 😂😂

[@AbramBailey]

Subscribed to show my appreciation to whoever came up with this idea.

[@joechip4822]

That Danny Hillis even thinks about something like embedding the origin into data only shows one thing: that even the most clever people are not as clever as we often think.

[@BrianMosleyUK]

17:08 extremely well informed view.

[@mlmlm3928]

This should be labelled as an advert by Intercom?

[@genuinefreewilly5706]

Interesting guests and interview. Being an old dude I have fond memories of the old networks and early internet. I really believed people would be better informed and brighter. I had a small themed BBS for a couple years with a great community of people prior to the internet taking off. It turned into more of a social media hang out but people were generally respectful. Its been a mixed bag as the internet and social media has exponentially grown. Be it many disciplines ie coding, acting, visual art, music... learning and figuring shit out is where the benefit is. I am on the fence about AI and where the benefit lies.

[@marsupialdungbucket]

Fry's last point, that AI will free us up to be more imaginative and creative and take our time doing things, is the same as the one that drove the 20th century. And yet now we have less time to do things and are less creative and imaginative than we were. The creativity of boredom is gone and we are no richer for it. So I can't see the candy floss future that Fry imagines arriving in our current economic and political framework. For more (but no solutions) see David Graeber's work.

[@tomprice5496]

Is there a way to watch this without the creepy ambient music?

[@christeuma]

That just follows Brian Eno around now.

[@periurban]

@@christeuma It seeps from his pores, like stale perfume.

[@tytycadet]

Erm ... That's Brian Eno

[@mybachhertzbaud3074]

I would rather listen to Eno's music.😁🎶🎹🎶Play On

[@Jeremy-Ai]

6:11 “Agents are under no obligation to lie to or for liars.” The data already. suggests who is lying /manipulating. (Motive and source are being calculated) “It is crucial that all be accountable to truthfulness, compassion, and leadership. Never mind tracking and interrogating lies upon lies upon lies… that is a game that will not end well “ “We don’t have to interact directly with AI, we choose to out of ignorance mostly “

[@kevindoom]

just yesterday chatgpt created a list of 61 items then i asked it to remove just 1 it listed 47 not counting 61 -1 doesnt equal 47

[@Jeremy-Ai]

@ “This may be an effort to perform without lying “ “Or being lied to “ It is unclear what we are seeing when lies are rampant. .

[@daigreatcoat44]

The "helpful" visuals are in fact patronising, the music is distracting and useless, the interview is truncated - who is responsible for these choices?

[@PabloColazurdo]

What a great conversation with these two masters of creativity and thinking ahead. Really enjoyed it. The only comment I have is that Stephen says no one could have predicted that “maximising engagement (profit)” would create so many bad things. The Bible predicted it very clearly: “But if it’s only money these leaders are after, they’ll self-destruct in no time. Lust for money brings trouble and nothing but trouble.”

[@cortical1]

Paul's First Epistle to Timothy (the verse you quote above) was likely written sometime between 64 and 65 AD. Confucius and Laozi and many other insightful minds made similar statements more than 500 years before that.

[@benhorne1540]

“Maximise Happiness, Minimise Hate” would have been a better instruction for the algorithm. Thanks Mark…

[@Rol-fy3my]

God that music is distracting from the dialogue..

[@kiranmcgoldrick4247]

Ai gen. Content

[@unkleskratch]

it's an ad. Move on.

[@CurtCox]

Lack of provenance/watermarking/citation is a huge problem, but it isn't primarily a technical one. There won't be any purely technical solution.

[@joechip4822]

Everybody who even thinks that there is a technical solution obviously has no knowledge in the field. This coming from a computer scientist with more than 35 years of experience as a full-stack software developer

[@mybachhertzbaud3074]

Message for AI: GIGO is everywhere and Murphy's Law still dominates.🤔

[@timhenderson5121]

6 degrees of seperation to the truth!

[@UnsaltedCashew38]

Why is this being uploaded 2 months after happening?

[@WillsUKRetroTV-j6r]

cannot stand the over-use of tech, i refuse to use self checkouts, i hate ANPR, robots on ebay and facebook that are just so utterly stupid, the stupid AI descriptions (facebook, youtube) nobody ever asked for this stuff.. we recently changed propane supplier to a little local company and what a breath of fresh air , immediately through to a human.

[@jamesalechardy]

Commenting on social media is like shouting into a cave

[@periurban]

Helooooooo! Is anyone in there? Who is that out there shouting "is anyone in there"? Who's that in there shouting "Who is that out there shouting "is anyone in there"?" Spike Milligan foresaw the whole sh*t-show 70 years ago!

[@jamesalechardy]

@@periurban Nice- please keep quoting Spike. I wonder what he would have thought about Nitsche.... "And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

[@yodab.at1746]

This is Elon Musks aim. To allow freedom of speech, but to prevent anyone hearing. Except for those who he choses.

[@periurban]

@@jamesalechardy Never did understand that quote. Why gaze into an abyss? Doesn't seem like there would be any reason. And anthropomorphizing an abstract concept for giggles is suspect.

[@pushthetempo2]

An echo chamber

[@TimC-Cambridge]

Is it me, or are KZbin uploads suffering from High pixelation in the Blacks?

[@yodab.at1746]

Brian Eno Brain One

[@idlewise]

@15:54 Friction 🥰

[@РоманМусин-и6т]

10:18 - "Well, speaking of genital warts..."

[@GeorgeCockerill]

Maybe I could use AI to remove the background music and animations.

[@robcotttam8217]

I'm borrowing from another quote, but watching two artists discussing technology is like watching a dog walk on its hind legs. One is not surprised that it is done badly, one is surprised it is attempted at all.

[@onlyrick]

I do at least like the quote. Sorry you failed to get anything here. Be Cool.

[@jackcawley4242]

If you find yourself having to borrow quotes to make a point, maybe you should re-evaluate your attitude to artists?

[@stupidity_incarnate]

When you look at the trend of how podcasts and long form conversations are heading, I think the simple stripped-back style is the way to go. Over produced content is a bit of a turn off.

[@johansandas1733]

Great conversation, but I have to protest against the statement made at 01:10 - technology is not a verb, it’s a noun, and I expect better from Stephen Fry than to lie about grammar just to make a point 😃

[@katgod]

I have to agree, that statement made me stop and think, do I not know the word the way I thought I did.

[@deeliciousplum]

🎶 I love Brian Eno's artistry. Thank goodness that there is so much of his compositions to listen to and to explore. (Forgive my lengthy and negative comment on Stephen...) Stephen Fry has been an exceptional satirist and more. If there is one element which keeps me at an arm's length from Stephen, it has been his divisive, hate-enabling, and misleading anti-Trans rhetoric. I am under the impression that Stephen claims that he is speaking for the numerous Trans communities when he shares his responses to one or more Trans communities whose members have been clear about exposing JK Rowling's transphobic/anti-Trans rhetoric. With his divisive and invisibillizing rhetoric, Stephen adds that he has Trans friends. I do not have to point out the fallacy that is "because I have friends whose identities are such, I can speak as if I represent/possess an authority on their position(s)." Nope. Nope. JK Rowling places Trans children, teens, and adults in harm's way when engaging in what can best be identified as transphobic/anti-Trans dogwhistling. I love Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie's comedic artistry. But, due to what I have written above, I have felt less compelled, well, not compelled at all to seek it out nor to share their comedy with friends and passers-by.

[@simulation3120]

AI isn’t interesting at first because it’s communicating to the average person. If you speak to it intelligently and with nuance, it will reciprocate.

[@katgod]

An example here would be great.

[@simulation3120]

@ Instead of “What SUV should I buy?” Say, “I need an SUV that can handle off roading. List the highest quality options in order of your recommendation. Include estimated prices for new and used and the years for used models that are the most resilient.”

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

Its sad that Intercom is the UK's best.. So much destruction of capital value in our nation.. :( :(

[@soundcanvas1450]

Perhaps program in the ‘United Nations declaration of human rights’ as the core command. Then begin to play & create