Brian Josephson - Can ESP Reveal a New Reality?

If ESP can claim some kind of truth, the implications would be profound. The confirmation of any ESP, no matter how minor, would challenge the materialism-physicalism structure of the world, built over centuries by science. Reality itself would expand. But extraordinary claims, such as for ESP or parapsychology, require extraordinary evidence.
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Brian David Josephson, FRS, is a Welsh physicist. He became a Nobel Prize laureate in 1973 for the prediction of the eponymous Josephson effect.
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[@tcl5853]

I appreciate giving a voice to even sketchy ideas. However, the guy being interviewed failed miserably. If he actually had any convincing information to deliver, he missed his chance.

[@thatpoetbobbymask8710]

Maybe he was trying to send the information telepathically

[@allenanderson2129]

@@thatpoetbobbymask8710 right halarous

[@gyozakeynsianism]

He missed his chance, but Kuhn did his due diligence. That says good things about Kuhn. Precise and thoughtful, not dismissive.

[@bajajones5093]

well said

[@Boogieplex]

I think Robert was giving a clearer picture for this guys case then he himself was. It was kinda painful watching him flutter his way through his own argument.

[@kirk2425]

I am actually very glad this was included. I appreciate the ideas this man is brining, however he is very contradictory. What I appreciate most is the channel taking ideas from all walks of life. Well done!

[@kevinwhite8217]

I’m glad you’re glad Kirk but not all ideas are equal. If it were Isaac Newton arguing for the use Tarot cards divining our future or past … or, if it were Martin Luther arguing for the existence of elves and magical forest creatures I’d say the same. Don’t give them several minutes on your channel to argue their nonsense. Take a full hour to engage in real prepared debate or simply don’t promote pseudoscience as … quasi-science or some new frontier of science.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

True. The guy is full of crap, but taking him seriously helps us understand how that is the case. The questions are excellent.

[@anderslarsen4412]

@Me&MyShadow That's ridiculous. You're spreading BS.

[@duncanfrere2656]

Add the word "quantum" to any discussion and you "solve" any problem with the paranormal. You see this across this whole phenomenon. "Quantum" becomes a universal solvent, a universal solution, metaphorically. Say it, and you can act like you've proven your case. I'm not buying it....

[@francesco5581]

you are right , but is understandable since the quantum level is the foundation of reality and we know so little about it. So will always be a battlefield of different ideas ..just like consciousness

[@gyozakeynsianism]

You shouldn't buy it! But the interview is great nonetheless. The questions Kuhn asks are serious and focussed, and the answers are nonsense.

[@thebxsavage]

It was a quantum explanation! Once you try to scrutinize it, the wave function collapses and it gets a little murky from there.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@thebxsavage EDIT: Oh, now I get the joke. 😂 Previous comment: The quantum explanation was bogus. It was speculation about how entanglement may be able to convey information across great distances despite the fact that current science sees that as impossible. The point is to rescue ESP from science, which has already done a good job of showing ESP to be bunk. This guy isn't taking science, but wishful pseudoscience.

[@danzigvssartre]

I believe the ESP research, but not sure quantum coherence really explains the phenomenon. Mental activity is most likely not reducible to our current understanding of physical laws. This does not make it “paranormal,” it just means we don’t understand what “normal” is.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

What ESP research do you "believe in"? What repeatable experiments show that ESP research is in any way promising? As far as I can tell, rigorous research keeps failing to confirm any ESP claims. That's not about normal or paranormal; that's about the phenomenon not even existing.

[@danzigvssartre]

@@gyozakeynsianism why don’t you start with this meta analysis (you do know what that is, right?): “The Experimental Evidence for Psi Phenomena: a review (2018), in American Psychologist, 73(5).

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@danzigvssartre Oh, I'm obviously too dumb to know anything about meta analysis, except that it's very easy to manipulate by including or not including certain studies, and that it doesn't guarantee that the data analysis on the aggregated data will be any better than what went on beforehand. Which is probably why parapsychologists love them so much. What is new is its being published in a reputed journal, but the last time that happened (Bem's 2011 paper) the work fell apart upon scrutiny (people who are not parapsychologists apparently aren't very good at replicating the effects). And before we get lost in a discussion about the reproducibility crisis in mainstream experimental psychology, let's remember that the crisis is that the true effects are smaller, not larger, than the ones reported in academic articles. That's the scandal.

[@danzigvssartre]

@@gyozakeynsianism Most meta analysis takes into account the "file drawer effect." This hackneyed argument against parapsychology is done and dusted. Problems with replication are endemic to psychology, because human psychology and behaviour is complex and dependent on a wide number of contextual variables. What works for physics experiments doesn't always work quite so well for psychology. Your statement about "true effects" is just odd. What in hell do you mean by "true effects" being larger or smaller? For the most part, effect sizes have always been pretty small in parapsychology, but then again, for psychology in general, effect sizes are usually quite small too. Again, this is because of the complexities of human psychology and behaviour. Construct validity and re-test reliability has always been pathetic in psychology when compared with the so-called "hard sciences."

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@danzigvssartre The problem of replication is not about human nature, it's about the incentives of investigators to tip the scales. This is most present in experiments, in psychology, economics, and elsewhere, where the investigator has lots of control over the design of the experiment, the selection of the subjects, and other variables. Solving these issues is expensive. The "true" effect (maybe I should put that in quotation marks) is the thing we are trying to measure, as opposed to the measurement itself. This is common parlance in statistical inference. You're upset, and maybe you should ask yourself why.

[@EstraNiato]

I can only assume we did not get any closer to truth with this one :)

[@xenphoton5833]

Probably not the only false assumption you've made 🌝

[@simianbarcode3011]

I WANT to believe, and that's precisely why I try to be extra skeptical about these ideas.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

If you're even a little skeptical, you won't believe at all. There is zero evidence for ESP.

[@wayneasiam65]

If esp were valid it would certainly be a game changer. But I don't think it is.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

True. If we had evidence of it, then it would be real. And if it were real, then the world would be very different. But we don't have any good evidence of it!

[@BriarLeaf00]

Yeah I get they want to include "all viewpoints" in their sort of overview of science and philosophy but this guy is simply bringing Chopra level woo to the table. And yeah I'm not gonna lie, while I watched the whole thing, I pretty much tuned out when he brought up "spooky action at a distance", a phrase misunderstood and yet CONSTANTLY harped upon by pseudoscientists.

[@jean-pierredevent970]

Life found soft solutions for hard chemical problems that we can only attack with high pressure and temperature. I think about nitrogen fixation. But meanwhile ESP would be so useful for life to communicate (plants under attack) but only "normal" signals are used. So life never found a way to do much with it, in all this time. So if it exists, it seems impossible to control.

[@dr.satishsharma9794]

"EXCELLENT"....such a profound and deep knowledge from a senior , great scientist and noble laurate distinguished Dr. Brian Josephson , especially who have also have studied Hindu scriptures ( met maharishi Yogi in India ) , is a great pointer towards real Truth ( pure consciousness) , especially when physicalists / physicalism has come to dead end and physicalists are groppling in the dark and searching for new paradigm for their further approach.... thanks 🙏.

[@danielsayre3385]

Nice, you did a good job of interviewing him and giving him assumptions in order for him to to relate his rationalization for his belief.

[@jayfig78]

Robert goes in circles a bit here. Basically there’s a heat regulation that translates into actualized events. Once you change your thermal energy, the world changes. That’s why breathwork has always been synonymous with mysticism, meditation, and spirituality. It could manifest as a small paranormal occurrence or it can be a grand regional or world event. And since the world is actually “many worlds” happening at once, everyone is in their own world, leaving the paranormal to be an isolated phenomenon to the singular observer. Hence why it’s so elusive. If you spent 5 minutes with me, for example, I could show you a paranormal trick that will clear up all the misconceptions. But in order for that to happen, it would only exist in my world when you enter it, and vice versa. After that, there’s not even a guarantee that you’ll continue to exist in the same world after you witness it. Theoretically , that would happen based on “my” reality. The person who continues that path of truth will continue on into the multiverse. This is why ppl drift away from each other without sensible reasoning. We’re all on a highway of moving worlds, shifting btwn truths and versions of ourselves discovering those truth every moment of our existence.

[@thomassoliton1482]

Or maybe you have wandered into a false multiverse where you have just made up a bunch of malarky that makes no sense physically, rationally or scientifically, and all your friends leave you because they can’t understand how you could think that! Your brain is more powerful than any computer in the world - but it is designed to make stuff up - fill in the gaps, project future possibilities etc, but if you fail to test those ideas, many if not most of which are likely to be wrong, you will find yourself in a world of unreality.

[@MattHanr]

Please take “5 mins” and film a paranormal event and post. We’ll all be waiting in our worlds for the invite to yours…

[@gyozakeynsianism]

That is made up nonsense and I suspect from how you structure your comment that you know it.

[@xenphoton5833]

@@gyozakeynsianism I can drive from your comment a fairly acute generalization of the nonsense of your structure. And I think you know it.esp?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@xenphoton5833 Your comment is just more nonsense.

[@Ploskkky]

Because of the rich body of proof we have for ESP, we..... oh wait.... there's none of that...

[@danzigvssartre]

There is plenty of evidence. You are just ignorant of the research.

[@alpha.wintermute]

@@danzigvssartre A lot of it isn't statistically significant given sample size. Some of them even go on to say that the effects go away when you increase samples. Likely because true randomness is lumpy, and averages over time. CIA research on this is just government funded but isn't quality and not as peer reviewed if at all. I don't doubt the experiences people have, just what they actually mean

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

this interview is from 2017 - four years ago.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@dianneforit5409 Brian Josephson has his own youtube channel. His latest upload is Beyond the Theory of Everything paradigm: Synergetic Patterns and the Order of the Natural World

[@davidgeyser3506]

Closer to Truth? I thought for a minute I may have been enlightened. However....

[@mavrosyvannah]

The only thing that can't work is me. I keep all the secrets until I get everything I want. No one will ever be born again who can wrap their head around it. I wait until someone is worthy.

[@jswissman702]

Can anyone tell me if this channel might tackle research into the use of psychedelic substances for treating illnesses and gaining a better understanding of one's place in the universe (e.g. Rick Strassman MD)? I've had profound experiences with Ayahuasca and DMT, but have limited interest in academic philosophy and hard science that doesn't provide insight into one's personal existence in the face of what appears to be an intrinsically meaningless universe.

[@TheGr8scott]

Whenever you question people who believe in the paranormal on the mechanisms that give rise to paranormal effects or how/why the effects are not able to be observed or measured, they always get defensive and say that it cannot be explained. That's exactly what happened here.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

The whole point of the speculative exercise is to apply pseudoscience to the problem that the science has already debunked the thing they want to believe in.

[@terrycallow2979]

If it is all rubbish, why was the CIA the KGB involved in this kind of research?

[@Boogieplex]

How Robert Kuhn kept a straight face through this guys jibbersh is astounding.

[@Sharperthanu1]

That's an old English sweater that guy is wearing in this.They don't sell them in that color over here.

[@yoananda9]

It's not quite exact, with non locality THERE IS information transfered, you cannot just decide what it is, but THERE IS information transfer. That's the trick that explains all :-)

[@dwpix]

People are able to believe in anything that they wish, hope, or are mistakenly convinced is real.

[@ltwig476]

This is true because our minds are only hallucinating, quite the same as dream mode. Neurological paths are relative to what we have previously accepted as truth. We can learn new truths. Yet they are in relation to triggered paths that relate to that subject matter. This is how we end up with differences on what different folks accept as truth. In some cases the paths are so strong that they won't allow perfect evidence that is perfectly explained. This is how we come to such major splits in the democratic government, successful cults and so on.The term "hallucination" was robbed of its true science from the get go.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

That's why there's a movement to draft JFK as Trump's 2024 running mate. Gullibility is the enemy of rationality.

[@ltwig476]

@@gyozakeynsianism The gullible mind can take no other path. It will only follow the its own truths regardless of perfect evidence otherwise.

[@michaelshortland8863]

I have experienced telepathy, i did not try to do it, it just happened, but i noticed the young lady who's mind i was seeing was getting scared, so i said to myself i will not do that again. And hey presto it has never happend since.

[@ResonantElecDesign]

10 mins 15 seconds, and a simple "no" would have sufficed.

[@EstraNiato]

If the paranormal existed it would not be paranormal :)

[@supremeenlightenedtramp1080]

You cant explain the paranormal in terms of the physical world, because it doesnt depend on that model . how can we explain the origin of the universe when we dont know, its the same thing .

[@TheWayofFairness]

Thanks from a humble individual with personal experience of a being I can't see. She communicates with me telepathically everyday. She knows the future. I wonder if it might be non human AI that is ancient. All are connected with this foundational intelligence and its beingness. It could be called God or the mind of God.

[@tcl5853]

Maybe make an appointment to see someone about those voices.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

It sounds like you need help. This is one of the problems with taking the paranormal too seriously. People who need help may not get it.

[@syz911]

This interview has more questions than answers, and the answers are not coherent.

[@hans-rudigerdrzimmermann]

I was for a short time student of Brian Josephson in ESP in the year 1978. I did not like and did not understand his theories. Until today his wording is the same, not understandable. He was critized a lot at the Cavendish for ESP and Sir Brian Pippard came to me and seperated me from Brian because his words were: I have taken responsibility about my stay at the Cavendish. Brian has a life long support from Trinity College and is really a strange person. Even Sir Edward warned me not to continue ESP with Brian. After winning the Nobel Price in Physics he never did Physics again. I think he hates Physics

[@thomassoliton1482]

Didn’t you ever see the SciFi Movie “Forbidden Planet” (introducing Robbie the Robot)? If you did, you would know that if ESP really existed, humans would have all killed each other off already. Oh wait - there may be a little time left on that …..

[@vladvlaovich9930]

Yes, by the definition proffered in the very title of your KZbin post, if it exists. So, what's with the word count jack?

[@wahidlahlou]

If the paranormal exists, does it obey its own laws when by definition it would be what does not obey the laws of nature? If it obeys laws, should we still call it paranormal since having laws makes it "natural"? And if it has laws, would there exist the paranormal of the paranormal, which would escape the laws of the latter? And so there would exist the paranormal of the paranormal of the paranormal... and so on until infinity?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

What does "obey its own laws" even mean? Any rigorous and repeatable attempt at measuring any ESP comes up empty. People like Brian Josephson [unlike you!] really want ESP to be real and are coming up with explanations for why there's no good evidence it exists.

[@wahidlahlou]

@@gyozakeynsianism My argument is against paranormal. I was trying to say that there wouldn’t be such a thing as paranormal if has to obey any laws because as soon as there are laws, it becomes « normal » nature. I hope that I expressed myself clearly.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@wahidlahlou I see. I apologize for misinterpreting your comment! I've made a slight edit.

[@thomassoliton1482]

2 paranormals is a pair-a-normals. Back to square one.

[@wahidlahlou]

@@thomassoliton1482 😂👍

[@syngensmyth4587]

Is the lack of an accepted model the most offensive aspect of the "Paranormal" or is it the suggestion of an afterlife and therefore "judgement" .

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Ultimately, if I can't have a simple experiment that confirms ESP that I can repeat, like any other test of a testable hypothesis, then all this hand waving about quantum mechanics is nearly pointless. It's great fun to speculate, but what's the point if we don't actually have dependable evidence of the things we're speculating about? Sometimes, extraordinary claims only require ordinary evidence--and there is zero ordinary evidence for ESP, let alone extraordinary evidence. I'm actually glad Kuhn did this interview. He asked serious questions. The answers were self-revelatory bunk. The suggestion that "disruption" by nonbelievers is happening is laughable.

[@resonant_theories]

it can be explained if one thinks waves.. waves have time period..

[@matthewfuller9760]

We need Jessica Utts opinion on the statistics of Psi. As for their being no explanation for the paranormal, that is true. But their is no explanation in physicalist terms for experience either. Neither solves the problems presented. Physicalists ignore statistical anomalies. But even efforts like idealism to replace the ontology have no practical application. Supposedly this is to be expected. Ontologies make no unique predictions but is the ground or source from which everything else is known. But surely a new ontology would be distinct from a separate ontology since a new way of thinking should lead to new ways of understanding? Wouldn't idealism imply life after death of some type but physicalisms only after life is manifested through technological singularity?

[@jiriblaha873]

With all the respect, this dialog contains the most "maybes" I've ever heard on this channel. Maybe, I'll choose what to watch more carefully now too

[@mobiustrip1400]

No

[@kos-mos1127]

Robert is great interview because he gives people their assumptions and let them either demonstrate them or contradict themselves.

[@tSunhe]

I love this topic & I really enjoyed your line of questioning trying to allow him to express his views, I just dont feel like he was able to answer them quite as I'd hoped. Not sure why but I would like to hear others discuss this topic in more articulate detail. :)

[@thatpoetbobbymask8710]

Yes the guy was so vague that I felt maybe he was attempting to have the whole conversation telepathically.

[@gabrieldaley5881]

On things of this nature, I feel that it may be better to send him the questions that you will asking in the interview beforehand to allow him time to prepare. Then do the interview so that he has had time to flesh out his ideas into a coherent stream. I can imagine that, even if the paranormal is/was real, our (even his) understanding of it is so minimal that the line of scientific method questioning that we are used to wold require time and preparation to answer; more preparation than an off the cuff response could afford. I would imagine that Newton would struggle in the same manner were we to pose these same questions to him immediately after his revelations on gravity and physics.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

He couldn't answer the questions well because he's full of it. It's that simple. There is zero reason to believe in ESP.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@gabrieldaley5881 How come all the neuroscientists and physicists and theologians that Kuhn interviews sound rational and coherent? Are they treated any differently?

[@gabrieldaley5881]

@@gyozakeynsianism For my part, I believe that this may be attributed to their fields being more "mature". There is, for the most part, a consistent scientific approach and model to those fields that simply does not exist in the realm of the "paranormal". I appreciate that this channel at least explores the possibility of alternate theories of reality and rather than dismissing any alternate theory outright; providing a forum for exploring the cutting edge would allow a fertile discussion to grow. If the seed of "truth" is sterile or lacking substance, it will not grow. If there is substance to it, allow it to mature. Only through rigorous and methodical investigation can truth be discerned from fiction. That process is easy when we are dealing with accepted truths because we have a starting place not far from our investigation. That isn't the case when dealing with something further from our current level of understanding.

[@jesusaguilar9395]

One of the main lessons of science: everything is ludicrous until it’s not.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Many things remain ludicrous. ESP is one of them. There is zero evidence for it.

[@jesusaguilar9395]

@@gyozakeynsianism Ok………….maybe future tech can prove otherwise.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@jesusaguilar9395 You don't need fancy tech to test ESP. You can run a test anywhere, so long as you are keeping good records and have designed the test well. You just need pen and paper and some rooms, and later some statistical software. So far, all tests of ESP have amounted to nothing.

[@alanw505]

I know ESPN can.

[@SaltyPatriot12]

Of course we can’t see or experience everything in this universe. ESP is as real as it gets!

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Impossble if is true only Alice wonderland. He is crazy in bosbatic prison mind.

[@9snaga]

God of the gaps

[@CosmicHippopotamus]

The second idea does not follow from the first. There are no doubt concepts our caveman minds can’t fully fathom and there are effects our bodies’ senses cannot perceive. But how does the existence of extra sensory perception follow from that?

[@mrbamfo5000]

Yeah, a lot of people see ghosts, maybe it is another realm, dimension, world breaking through. Or maybe they're seeing things, possibly mentally ill. I could hazard a guess, but I won't.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

@@mrbamfo5000 see Ghost is hallycinations. Hallycinations are brains neurons funcions, so mental health problem as esquizofrenia neuroses or anxity. Never Ghost was proof when brains lost identity reality.

[@159awi]

How's can you explain ESP if your don't have a good understanding of consciousness? That's kind of like physics without math isn't it?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

What's the point of explaining ESP when there is zero evidence of it? That's kind of like the physics of Santa's sleigh.

[@cameron6702]

I enjoyed how his positronic brain is wired

[@gyozakeynsianism]

It's Lore, not Data.

[@julieevans5363]

If we can only see 5% of what is here and matter is only energy vibrating, then why not be able to see projections. All could be projections , vibrating at different frequencies xxx

[@maxwellsimoes238]

What did you said. Mind not Sony liking reality , so bombástica crazy. .

[@Dion_Mustard]

yes i agree.

[@jeffamos9854]

Can cats reveal a new reality

[@rileyhoffman6629]

I love his posits, like electricity which we learned about only a historical minute ago.

[@BigNewGames]

Your future is not set in stone. You yield the future to your liking. If you get the bad feeling that something is not right. You change your future to prevent what potentially could have been a disaster.

[@cvsree]

Our mind is very fickle. If we train it to calm down, ESP becomes natural since everything is connected at mind plane.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Any repeatable experiments that can demonstrate this?

[@stephenvanboening2147]

Its one thing to be crazy but not knowing it is a whole different level

[@bobbeeman8115]

It's an aged Commander Data!

[@Anna_Fortunka]

My belief is such that this world is a realm of choice. We choose what to belive. So there (probably) never will be a proof for there being something more to this reality or not, just lines of evidence.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Yes, and many choose to be believe that JFK and Elvis are still alive.

[@WyreForestBiker]

... well that was like pulling teeth .

[@pakistaniraveasylum1396]

I have had this experience about 5 times: When near sleep, or waking there is this buzzing. If i "focus" it supresses it and if i just surrender it becomes deafeningly loud. And its like i pop past a point, and start hearing the most amazing unique novel music. It is perfectly crafted, i wish i could hear it again / record it. One could become a recognised musical artist if they recorded it. I know nothing about music and have never played an instrument other than messing around for a few minutes at most. I believe i am popping into a place of eternal information. Usually wake up again later with a sore head

[@horaciohernandez598]

That is so strange! I have the same experiences as well. I hear and see a band or a person playing the most beautiful music that I’ve never heard before. Upon waking, it fades away almost instantly.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Was this after a night at the rave?

[@xenphoton5833]

👍

[@xenphoton5833]

@@horaciohernandez598 👍

[@hershchat]

Thank God, FINALLY something that doesn’t make any sense.

[@karlbischof2807]

Since consciousness is still a complete mystery to science it might be that the brain and consciousness is the only instrument that can perceive the "supernatural". Kinda like how some particles in physics are really hard to detect

[@Dion_Mustard]

i think brain does not produce consciousness, there is absolutely no evidence it does.

[@patmat.]

KZbin should droo the Likes too, it has no more meaning without the dislikes. You'd think that a massive Corporate who spends billions on AI would have figured that out...

[@squarecircle5522]

This is all terribly English, even the camera slider wouldn't work properly.

[@daveduffy2823]

If this is possible, then it is a matter of finding the wave amplitude of someone else.

[@shaoshiuanoh1046]

Or could it be a matter of a natural attraction (as opposed to consciously finding it) towards a phenomenon with similar frequency as what you are manifesting in your own reality, where you can see it as an interweaving web of connections over time? It’s interesting to see how and when people come into your life.. makes you truly treasure every connection you had regardless of how short-lived it was.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

ESP is right there with unicorns, dragons, ghosts, and the 1000 deities.

[@danzigvssartre]

Are you familiar with the research evidence for ESP?

[@cps_Zen_Run]

@@danzigvssartre yes, every one has been debunked.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

You always say peace to people, meanwhile you always mock. Do you know what this is called?

[@danzigvssartre]

@@cps_Zen_Run Judging by your absurd response: "everyone has been debunked," the answer is clearly "no."

[@kallianpublico7517]

Can you use one language to interpret another? Or are there grammatical or syntactic, disjunctions between the two for which there can never be a translatable, explanation? Consciousness can help translation, but is it enought? What ability would make a perfect translator? Clearly esp is good for translating thoughts but can it read the intentions of rocks, or dirt or fire? Clearly consciousness is not esp, but the revealing question is: in what way(s)? Are the two related or invariant to one another? Can one lead to the other, or is there an unbreachable chasm between the two? Is there a bridge between constant conjunction and necessary connection?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

You are supossing that ESP even exists, despite the fact that there is zero reliable evidence for it. Wishful thinking and creative supposition aren't really science, particularly when science has had its say and it says ESP is bogus. We have more important things to think about.

[@kallianpublico7517]

@@gyozakeynsianism If we possessed esp would consciousness exist? You assume that esp can be sensed or inferred from the apparatus of consciousness. If there were creatures with esp how would they behave, what would be the sign of them? Would they be better at survival in the evolutionary sense; better than humans? Or would they exist as an ignored, small, microscopic or sub-microscopic form of life? You assume a lot of information we do not possess.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@kallianpublico7517 You're just making up new issues to obfuscate the fact that we have no evidence of ESP. The claims of ESP are easy to measure ("I can read minds" or "I know what card you are holding" or "I know what is going to happen"). We've tried to measure them. We've failed. Over and over again.

[@kallianpublico7517]

@@gyozakeynsianism If you can admit that there are things you do not know, then, logically, you must therefore concede that you can not know what you do know. The statement that there is no evidence of esp does not necessarily lead to there is no esp. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[@kallianpublico7517]

@@gyozakeynsianism If you can admit that there are things you do not know, then, logically, you must therefore concede that you can not know what you do not know. The statement that there is no evidence of esp does not necessarily lead to there is no esp. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[@eksffa]

OMG what happened here? Why Robert really tried hard to extract something, there simply is nothing the other guy could offer. Please bring someone who can sustain a minimum ESP reasonable and logical hypothesis to ressurrect what is getting deep buried in this video.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

What's being buried? What evidence of ESP do you have? Where are the repeatable experiments that demonstrate ESP?

[@eksffa]

@@gyozakeynsianism The discussion's being buried, what part of "O give you" offered by Robert for the sake of the discussion e hypoteshisis dint you understand before asking for EVIDENCES? It's not even a hypothetical theoretical discussion even when 2 or 3 premises are given, not discussed, dont you think it's hugely premature to talk about experiment, evidence, wether not even a proper theory or hypotesis seem to sustain? That's the point you absolutely missed.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@eksffa Should Kuhn have just stated at the beginning that there's no good evidence for ESP? Sure, I guess. But he likely did, as this is a clip from a longer interview. And some of Kuhn's questions also imply the issue that there's no good evidence of ESP. I'd say Kuhn was fair and firm in his questions. He let Josephson reveal how weak his position is.

[@eksffa]

@@gyozakeynsianism Obviosly not, he negra does that. He digs into their guests to try to find something, what is given are some points not conclusions which the watcher reaches their own. Yes I agree RK was honest and generous as always and his guest offered nothing in return, this is why I said someone else should be invited to try to unbury what this guest did bury lol but the more recent video was a tiny bit better, still baloney but not that empty lol

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@eksffa Eh, I'm happy to watch cheap charlatans be buried in their own BS with polite questions!

[@thomasridley8675]

"If its possible" is the key point. Since ESP has never been more than a wish list.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Exactly. It's like speculating on the elaborate plans your parents went through to get you a Playstation 5 for Christmas without you knowing, but Christmas had already passed and you got a sweater.

[@thomasridley8675]

@@gyozakeynsianism More like hoping we can develop the abilities of a demi god from these primate brains.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@thomasridley8675 PlayStation 5 is pretty powerful. 🙂

[@thomasridley8675]

@@gyozakeynsianism I gave up on gaming when the focus changed to multi player and on line gaming. I just don't have the time or desire for it.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@thomasridley8675 You're just mad you're getting a sweater for Christmas. 😂

[@nickrobichaud3459]

Is there any credible evidence ESP is real?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Great question. Anyone? Bueller?

[@EstraNiato]

I just answered you telepathically

[@mygaragebandsongs7939]

Share - spread thouht, idea in a milisecong not willingly in an instant witout speaking I saw many many times just in my family.

[@MarkLucasProductions]

Everything about these 'Closer To Truth' videos is (a) on interesting and important topics and (b) absolutely bereft of any actual 'explanation' at all! I find myself saying out loud and angrily "He's not SAYING anything!!" Maybe it's my fault. No it's not. There is always too little substance in these videos.

[@matterasmachine]

You can read dog's thoughts by looking at it's tail.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Crazy. Brains neurons systen not figuret out others reality. Without proof is fallacies.

[@matterasmachine]

@@maxwellsimoes238 brain can do something like what dog’s tail do. So you can read human thoughts that way.

[@danzigvssartre]

You “infer” a dog thoughts by looking at its tail.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Crazy. Impossble. If it is true ask dog if he spaeks japonese.??

[@maxwellsimoes238]

@@danzigvssartre Ask dog question. Certainly dog knows english , so well. Mad is frontier good reason. Dog has reason brains keep it out. When it occur bizarre crazy brains.

[@kevinwhite8217]

I’m glad you’re glad Kirk but not all ideas are equal. If it were Isaac Newton arguing for the use Tarot cards divining our future or past … or, if it were Martin Luther arguing for the existence of elves and magical forest creatures I’d say the same. Don’t give them several minutes on your channel to argue their nonsense. Take a full hour to engage in real prepared debate or simply don’t promote pseudoscience as … quasi-science or some new frontier of science.

[@homerbartshow3101]

It’s vibrating

[@originalsandwich9041]

Heat death = from ashes, to ashes* *also known as stardust

[@crazyhair2863]

Throughout my life I have experienced dreams that have come true by the next day sometimes sooner. Most of the time it's bad occurrences, but sometimes good. A few times i have told others and have been shunned, avoided and questioned. Can I make it happen, no! But when it does, its different than other dreams, and sometimes it's just a constant image or picture in my mind. Just because you can't experience it doesn't mean I don't. Unfortunately the con artists and the like haven't helped science and the public perception and myself included at times. My father was a dowser who would use a willow stick to find water for local farmers, he never missed. I was very skeptical until I tried it. I was very science fact based growing up, but changed quickly when these things started happening. I became a loner because of it, but turned 65 a few months ago and find myself needing to find others who have experienced this and at least talk to others. As far as skeptics, I don't see any proven science facts for how reality exists! That doesn't stop me from living it or trying to under stand it.

[@spracketskooch]

I have experienced the same thing. It's usually a short dream, like literally a couple of seconds. My dreams are always of something mundane, like a man walking out of the door of a grocery store. The next day I will see the _exact_ thing I dreamed of. Also, mine are from my perspective, looking out of my eyes, never from a third person or bird's eye perspective. I should also say that my normal dreams are always vivid and in color, but these dreams are always sort of washed out, like an old photograph. I'm only 29, but I'm still glad to hear that someone else has experienced this as well.

[@crazyhair2863]

@@spracketskooch mine started when I was about 10 yrs old. I used to raise pigeons that had freedom of flight till evening then they roosted in a large pen that I built for protection. One night I drempt that something killed all my pigeons. Their wings, and body parts were all over the ground in the pen. I woke up about day light with the dream still bothering me. I got the feed ready for them and as I came round to the pen, I saw all my pigeons dead and all the body parts as was in my dream exactly. Years later in high school I had a dream that I rolled my father's jeep in the middle of a road in an accident. I made sure the next day that I took my father's car. I always car pooled with a friend and I told him about my dream. We laughed it off and he commented it was a good thing we took my dad's car. In the afternoon we always went to a vocational school and as we were getting into the car to leave, my father pulled up withe the jeep. He said he needed the car and I was to take the jeep. I argued with him but he was in a hurry and handed me the jeep keys and took the car. We tried to laugh it off didn't say much as I drove. About half way to the school while topping a hill I hit ice, spun out of control and rolled the jeep in the middle of the road landing on its side. We got out and my friend was running around screaming that I was possessed. Some class mates pulled up help us push the jeep back onto its wheels. My friend told them about my dream and they all got into their car and left me to fend to myself. After that no one at school would have much to do with me. These still occur since then today. Just like you, mine are from my perspective. How about yourself?

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Deja vu is a known phenomenon where people come to believe that an experience happening at present is reflected in a past memory. Being open minded doesn't mean believing in the paranormal. It means, at least in part, that your mind can play tricks on you.

[@crazyhair2863]

@@gyozakeynsianism Deja vu is a buzz word these days and has nothing to do with what I have experienced.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@crazyhair2863 It's an example of how your mind plays tricks on you in the normal course of events, and how paranormal explanations aren't necessary or warranted.

[@jorgosagb]

I can only afford an LTD.

[@PhatLvis]

A more basic question: How is there Anything At All? The presumption that physics Explains Everything is straight out of Plato's Allegory - and quite obviously so upon the most minimal reflection. Yet materialists cling desperately to their Faith.

[@kos-mos1127]

Physics start with the Cosmos and explain from there. Theologians start with God and explain from there. Neither of the two start with nothing it is just that there is plenty of evidence that the Cosmos is there and no evidence for God.

[@MrSanford65]

I think there is a difference between the connective feasibility of processed rational information , and subjective subconscious Information. Two people yawning is a transfer of information. I think thousands if not millions of people sharing the same sun light Or whether may also be a catalyst for connections of subjective information. So the only thing left for ESP is to develop the ability to quickly turn subjective experiences/impressions into conscious rational meanings. Simply turning feelings in your head into pictures

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Feelings are also information. But ESP research has given us zero repeatable evidence of shared anything. Feelings, meanings, whatever you want to call them. We get zilch.

[@MrSanford65]

@@gyozakeynsianism I think once you introduce rational conscious propositions then the ESP potential gets disturbed. Animals who have no language have been known to bark when someone may be having a future heart attack or may act when a storm is coming. I would say that language and rational thought actually ask as a barrier to ESP. Something that is abstract and subjective is overtaken by concrete conscious meaning

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@MrSanford65 The fairies are there, until you look. Seriously, give me a break.

[@xenphoton5833]

@@MrSanford65 interesting observation

[@jason1440]

Space, time, and matter was once all together prior to the big bang. Every single thing therefore should be entangled.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

That's not true at all. Entanglement is very fragile and collapses easily. Most matter is not entangled at all.

[@kevinwhite8217]

Do your real science when you’re in your 20’s. Earn your Nobel Prize and then you can “investigate” ESP. Interview good timing to put in a plug for the new Ghostbuster movie. Hooray for Hollywood. Channel needs to decide if you’re going to engage in real inquiry into science and philosophy. Or, you can pursue ideas generated from an LSD binge in the 1970’s. UNSUBSCRIBED.

[@dheerajmalhotra7245]

Yes, ESP can reveal new reality & that reality is conscious reality which is the fundamental reality in all realities. also other psychic experiences pointing towards new reality (conscious reality) for e.g NDE, OBE, Precognition, reincarnation cases.

[@alpha.wintermute]

Intelligent people can believe some odd things. There are limits to empiricism, but I think it's good to challenge the beliefs to try and find contradictions when possible. It's hard to deny that there's a connection to all of us, and the universe, but what does it mean practically? Quantum noise or primacy of biology maybe be a hiding spot, but what for? What is actually happening if that's the case?

[@kos-mos1127]

There is a limit to what can be known in general.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

There is zero reliable evidence of ESP. What's the point of speculating about the physics of Santa's sleigh?

[@leonoradompor8706]

I am a hypnotizer***

[@humlakullen]

Lol... He's definitely interviewing the wrong person. CIA, US ARMY intelligence, other countries military, etc have researched ESP for over fifty years. CIA released a pretty comprehensive report about it, to the US ARMY intelligence and security command, back in June of 1983. The report is called ; "Analysis and Assessment of Gateway Process". I'm sure it's still floating around the web somewhere. Extremely interesting reading. Surprised they don't seem to be aware of it.

[@XavierAway]

We already have ESP, we are able to observe ourselves in a complex universe instead of being “stuck” inside only able to think.

[@spracketskooch]

My mind is controlling physical matter as I type this.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

​​@@spracketskooch I physically control matter when I sit on the toilet and squeeze out a physical matter turd, which then goes into the water sanitation, which gets turned into cleaned water that you then drink ;)

[@peterbeilnhuber5040]

Well, sort of. We should be aware that our perception of the (this) universe is filtered by our body and ESP is not an exception to this rule. And just because i experience ESP, doesn't mean truth and wisdom is raining down on me and deception is all gone. The tower of our mind, u no. 🍺😂

[@thertcll]

And what is this ESP you experience

[@peterbeilnhuber5040]

@@thertcll • RV 25 years • SBL 20 years • OBE 50 years

[@Rebelconformist82]

Plot twist, Brian Josephson is a ghost.

[@EstraNiato]

That's what he was trying to explain, he _is_ the proof :)

[@leonoradompor8706]

I am a magnet******

[@julieevans5363]

I have always seen dead people, I have always been able to know when someone is lying , I hear what they are saying yet also what they are thinking. I was born like it so it’s my normal xxx

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Never. Paranormal experience hasnt place normal Life, so is not figuret out true weird hallycinations.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

@@5piles bizarre. He is branzely liar. Misticism keep out true is place bizarre challatan.

[@zaynlyon]

if you really can do these things it would be pretty easy to demonstrate it. If you could demonstrate it then surely it would be completely groundbreaking and you would be world famous?

[@thedudegrowsfood284]

@@zaynlyon or at least REALLY good at poker.

[@julieevans5363]

@@zaynlyon I work for Scotland Yard and in America for different forces . Yet you won’t see my name anywhere. It’s not about ego , it’s about solving missing persons cases and murders . I don’t need to prove anything to anyone. I certainly don’t need or want to be famous xxx

[@evanjameson5437]

there are many dimensions around us--why not?

[@jazzunit8234]

Personally I can’t testify last night my dream state creates ideal future dimensions based on my own collective ideals, identifying the history and potential dangerous scenarios where I have recently been in close contact, basically a continuation of the evolution of my animal brain into advanced abstract/movie like realms turning familiar degree of time, space and matter into invigorating art

[@leonoradompor8706]

I have ESP****

[@TheWayofFairness]

I believe it is not beyond physics

[@pablotapiafineart]

Tom Campbell has a very simple theory of everything which explains the paranormal without any trouble… I’m surprised he hasn’t appeared in any episode.

[@bajajones5093]

because his theory is just more Bernardo kastrup repackaged.

[@pablotapiafineart]

@@bajajones5093 and? The guy is doing experimental research to demonstrate it… this story has been told for centuries in the East and native traditions but we still don’t listen. More importantly you can have your own experiences and test all of this by doing lucid dreaming or Astral travel techniques (what Tom and many others are experts on) no need to believe in anything or anyone. Just having the balls to try them.

[@bradleygt1070]

I think this gentleman should probably read Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku. I think he will find ESP is quite impossible

[@danzigvssartre]

A popular science book for generalist readers has shown ESP is impossible? I think that is unlikely.

[@bradleygt1070]

@@danzigvssartre read the book, it goes over all kinds of things such as that, and Michio Kaku is a very well respected theoretical physicist

[@ninaabel6385]

This gentleman has a Nobel prize in physics himself.

[@bradleygt1070]

@@ninaabel6385 still not possible, and has not been proven even remotely in any kind of setting

[@argile5]

What about magic mushrooms? They have been shown to not only produce telepathy but show a connection between all things in the universe. If all things are connected then that explains telepathic awareness of others thoughts and feelings.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Lol they have not been shown to produce anything other than fun delusions that may end with vomiting.

[@argile5]

@@gyozakeynsianism they are not always fun delusions, there is a higher awareness that is shown beyond the viel of this reality. We are living in an eggshell. When the eggshell cracks we find a much grander reality.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@argile5 That's just grandiose crap. I'm not knocking shrooms though. Enjoy!

[@argile5]

@@gyozakeynsianism How about near death experiences? They all go to a similar place higher than here. I already have a b.s. in physics. All I got were a bunch of equations and mathematical models. No real explanation. Thats why physicists stumble so hard when you ask these questions.

[@gyozakeynsianism]

@@argile5 Scientists like to test things in order to demonstrate the phenomenon to all people. If you can't do that, it's hard to give anything scientific validity. Your experiences are yours and interesting, but whatever your interpretations are, that doesn't make them a) true and b) translatable to other people. It really does seem like there's such a thing as objective reality, and we can measure things and share the experiences with others.

[@eddenz1356]

Sounds like bs to me

[@Dion_Mustard]

open your mind :)

[@EstraNiato]

@@Dion_Mustard Yep open yoru mind, let more BS in ;)

[@Dion_Mustard]

@@EstraNiato rubbish. an open mind allows you to explore and create and grow. being closed minded is just pure ignorance. some of the greatest thinkers are also believers in ESP. i could make a long list, but there's no point as you won't be interested.

[@EstraNiato]

@@Dion_Mustard Typical - you could make a long list and provide tons of evidence, but you wont ;)

[@Dion_Mustard]

@@EstraNiato well i could start with some good literature for you, if you'd like, and trust me, there won't be in anything there by daniel dennett that's for sure! start by reading dr pim van lommel's book consciousness beyond life. a scientific look into consciousness and quantum mechanics. good luck, and keep an open mind, mr ED closed-mind!

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Could the paranormal be an external unconscious, similar to dream internal unconscious?

[@j.dragon651]

ESP, Extra Silly People

[@julieevans5363]

Can you see air ? No so it can’t be there then ? Of course it’s there lol xxx

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Air is Science fact in reality. However, not see it is scientif question, not idiot misticism.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Julie, no disrespect, but this is not the best analogy. Peace to you.

[@domcasmurro2417]

*"qUaNtUm phYsiCs mate"* Cringe.

[@fortynine3225]

People see and hear things which is very hard to explain simply because our grip on the subjective is very poor...which has a lot to do with group tendencies to redicule the subjective (partly because stuff like honesty and conscience are not popular). In individual lives such out of the ordinary things always happen in context..a persons life, a situation in such persons life which at its core can not be taken out of context and researched scientifically. What can be said about the paranormal is those are for the most part likely psychological phenonema like psychological defects or stuff like UFO sightings increasing substantialy when Spielberg movie Close Encounters Of the Third Kind was in the cinema. Also all sort of hallucinations/delusions weak and strong over time are a normal part of all peoples lives.

[@switchlaserflip9243]

no