The most annoying things about fighting games

I took to twitter to ask their pet peeves about fighting games and the FGC (fighting game community). These were there answers.
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[@crazymumbo]

The worst is when you beat someone, give them the rematch, then they leave after winning like they think they got you figured out.

[@isaiahrevelles8029]

This happens way to often to me and now I have brain damage

[@donuttoy8482]

Fahkuram players in a nutshell

[@fistofsage]

Literally happened to me a couple nights ago against this Jin player in Casual matches. I won the first match. They adjust and win the second match. I map out my adjustments and game plan for the third game only to find out that they just dipped... (althought it might have been a blessing in disguise since my controller's D-pad breaks a little while later)

[@jacksuwanpradit6992]

Think about it this way, maybe they don’t want to lose the third game lol. A guy who’s really confident would definitely play again.

[@The4stro]

personally, i'd say that dipping after three games is respectable in my eyes, unless it's their first win in said set

[@protodevilin]

I watched Punk play a FT5 on stream against a Ken player in SFIV the other day. I swear I heard, "My man's wakin' up with kara throw!?" about a hundred times. Final score was 5-3 Punk, but it occurred to me that the Ken player had zeroed in on something Punk was not prepared to handle: bone-headed non-meta bullshit. And it was working. If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.

[@baronvonfaust]

YES THANK YOU IF IT'S STUPID BUT IT WORKS IT ISN'T STUPID HOW DO PEOPLE STILL NOT GET THAT

[@estebanembroglio6371]

>Final score was 5-3 Punk Doesnt sound like it worked too well to me

[@snack4458]

It is still stupid, but it still works.

[@NSFSponsor]

@@estebanembroglio6371 Punk is one of the best players in the world vs online ken. They took 3 games, that's farther than a lot of tournament players.

[@earthygoku]

@@NSFSponsor I mean tbf it was an online ken on a game that punk was rusty in and not an active fgc player during sf4 era. Hes an sfv player

[@el_principe3611]

Saying a player is "free" for losing to the best players in the world in tournament. "He got BODIED FREE by Tokido! What a scrub!"

[@baronvonfaust]

This is probably the thing that fucks me off the most. I've seen players getting called trash because the best they've done is get top 8 at EVO. Like what the FUCK is that attitude?!

[@sir_will_iam]

The fact that this player was able to hold they're own against the likes of tokido warrants respect in my book.

[@Ramsey276one]

Competition means there will be a winner and a loser No one wins every single time A beat C who beats B so C can beat B is UNlogic I tune out such nonsense, keeps me healthy

[@mfbandit7930]

@@baronvonfaust shit talking happens in competitive games dude.

[@baronvonfaust]

@@mfbandit7930 nah shit talk is fine, I meant more that some people have unrealistically high expectations of players. Like if they wanna go off on whatever player then that's their choice, but some people seem to act as though a player is a bum if they haven't won a major in 12 months. I dunno, I see it more as a weird attitude to take than shit talk, especially if it's people who aren't themselves competing. Sorry for not conveying my point properly. But you might still disagree, cool by me anyway, have a good one

[@piranhaplant8483]

You know what annoys me, when people have their mics on in MK11. I don't want to hear my opponent breathe heavily and play their garbage music when I'm getting whooped

[@erickchristian1970]

Mk11 is trash.

[@piranhaplant8483]

@@erickchristian1970 I have my complaints with that game, but one thing for sure is that MKX is vastly better

[@erickchristian1970]

@@piranhaplant8483 agreed

[@alphajnitro0072]

@@piranhaplant8483 Facts mkx is goated

[@Fightzpike]

@@piranhaplant8483 mkx such an excellent game but the only thing holding it back was its shitty animation, but other than that, top tier game

[@Lithorpg]

The worst thing you can come Across is a player feeling himself in lag

[@MiniBlackWaltz]

One of my first SFV matches was a F.A.N.G who did exactly that. Dude was rocking that 1 bar and teleporting all over the place and was t-bagged constantly like beating a rookie player in teleportation connection was some grand accomplishment

[@svenlow7077]

What does feeling himself in lag mean?

[@Lithorpg]

Sven Low it means that he is cocky even though the connection is shit xD

[@svenlow7077]

@@Lithorpg ahhh, ppl really be like that tho smh

[@Lone_Rocket]

Sooo..... Smash Ultimate? I swear, I have to become accustomed to the lag to actually play well against amyone. This isn't how the games meant to be played, but here I am playing it.

[@thedarklord7003]

The most annoying thing about fighting games? Literally anything besides beating my lil brother.

[@guy543215]

Losing to your little brother is definitely a pet peeve

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@guy543215 sadly playing mk10 i had this very issue until i became a dirty kenshi main using telekinetic and just memorized all his movesets he has a attack for every range ever a flying sword for across screen poke and to top it off a parry on backstep if you do it right only have lost to him once or twice since then but for a young kid he is abnormally good at video games 10 times better then when i was a kid and i wasnt half bad myself

[@1starfalco1]

bruh i dont know why everyone is crying.....melty blood again actress current code is still a relevant fighting game. you just have to download the community version, pray to god that the download doesn't have malware in it, then go on a discord server with only 6 active members on it

[@Pyrobaconstudios]

gotta tell you i was hella annoyed when i got it on steam as part of bundle thinking "oh neat, maybe i'll finally try this game i've heard so much about-" only to the find out the sheer ammount of obscure bullshit you have to do to actually play the version of the game any of the scattered community actually cares about

[@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106]

@@Pyrobaconstudios when the tournament for your game is outside the convention centre where the bins are and the laptop is propped up by 2 milk cartons. I find that shit hilarious, but damn does it suck to be a Melty Blood player where the grand stage is the parking lot.

[@venorabbit7335]

@@Pyrobaconstudios onps4 o9ol

[@casono]

Unfortunately there isnt a single character I can stand looking at for any period of time over not at all. Thats how I feel about non KoF japanese Fighting games especially anime fighter. Either the designs are random bs (not a random I can get behind) or a its cringy panty shots and that.

[@yesyesyesyes642]

@@casono BIAS

[@BLX187]

ive played 500+ ranked matches and not hit silver once.. but i still enjoy the game

[@diy-speaker]

I just have met a silver with over 40k matches. You're good.

[@Divine1715]

Being stuck in silver don't mean jack. Hop on battle lounge and keep fighting high ranked players. Trust me you'll improve

[@diy-speaker]

@@Divine1715 i have met sooo much smurfs in silver-gold it feels like it's a half of all opponents at least. Hundreds of 90% wins opponents.

[@harronator-2670]

I’m glad... I’m not the only one. 2000 games, hit silver once, back down to Ultra bronze in 2 games

[@Divine1715]

@@diy-speaker not all are smurfs. Gold players are not bad at all. But yeah smurfs do kill momentum for real silvers and real golds

[@smoker4188]

I think what I hate the most is the gate keeping in some games, some people just learn to play fighting games at different rates

[@animeprofilepicture8855]

gatekeeping is a good thing in many way.

[@smoker4188]

@@animeprofilepicture8855 how is smurfing accounts and gatekeeping new players a good thing that makes no sense people learn ar different rates

[@DragoonCenten]

Andre Fortin you didn't say smurfs, smurfs are a completely different issue.

[@smoker4188]

@@DragoonCenten i can see the misunderstanding, I confuse them sometimes because it only intermediate to pro players whoever really do it say at times it can seem like they are keeping newer players from even getting a feel for the game

[@DragoonCenten]

Andre Fortin smurfs rarely have malicious intent, it's mostly just shits and giggles.

[@AkibanaZero]

"Isn't it insane that in order to play fighting games you have to go to somebody's garage?" Brian I can't thank you enough for saying this. While I've met a lot of great people through meetups who are now some of my best friends, I attribute that to good fortune for finding the right people. Back in the early years where online wasn't even a pipe dream, I met the local Greek FGC and I can tell you I didn't enjoy hanging out with those people. I felt forced to go to their homes, though, because I had nobody else to play FGs with. Back then I had crazy social anxiety, too. It was just not fun and I never got better at the games either. Shit, I'm not even up for going onto some game's discord to find matches and chat over voice. I don't have the time for it and honestly, I prefer my strangers to be anonymous and have no real way of talking to me, let alone be in my immediate vicinity when playing a competitive game.

[@baronvonfaust]

The struggle is real dude

[@Davidtk2001]

You just gotta make the most out every situation and at the end of the day it was your choice.

[@noticeme6412]

if you want to run a melty blood tournament, you have to play it in the parking lot.

[@Stroggoii]

Meh, I guess coming from TCGs and sports spending eight hours with strangers half of whom you actively dislike is nothing new. Hell, that's the basic experience in school and work. At least here you're doing something you like and can beat up those you hate digitally.

[@PaddyRoon7]

Can always use Discord without using voice, that's what I do. I love talking about fighting games but none of my friends are into them, so I'm a big fan of FGC Discords

[@XellosNi]

"Sean Matsuda can't be good because I don't like playing against him." - Someone at Capcom prior to Third Strike, probably

[@HMNNO]

Neutral “skipping” have been a thing since sf2. Honda headbutt, Vegas dive move, bisons scissor kick, etc.

[@estebanembroglio6371]

"this move doesnt work" The reason that smash people say this is because it's true. Melee has never been patched, not once in 20 years. Imagine if Street Fighter was still exactly how it was in 2009. Banilla SF4 Vega's flying barcelona would often just never find the wall. It was fixed pretty early in SF4's life IIRC, indicating that it wasn't supposed to be so useless. That move wasnt intended to be THAT useless, it was a move that didn't work. All the examples of that in melee are still in that game. A great example is Luigi's dash attack. The last punch is inexplicably completely missing a hitbox. You can kind of deduce from how all the other moves in the game are programmed, that it should probably have a slightly bigger hitbox than the other punches, and have some light-medium level of knockback. It doesnt, the hitbox is just missing, which makes it extremely minus on hit and a completely worthless move, bad in every situation. Its pretty clear that this isn't because it was designed to be so bad, it's because they forgot to put the final active frames in the game and had exactly zero patches in 20 years.

[@danlampman5335]

Falco Up Smash in Ultimate pre patch 8.0 also comes to mind. We went through a year of that move connecting exactly 0 times. And then Snake Up-tilt in Brawl is an example of a move that clearly was not intended to work the way it did. Unless they meant for it to hit you from across the stage and kill at like 50% There has definitely been some wacky stuff in Smash.

[@idaten-dragonsoul]

Yeah smash is the king of jank when it comes to fighting games, some moves literally don’t work, as a Falcon main in ultimate, u smash would just not connect, and still didn’t connect properly through plat until 9.0 . Multihits also randomly drop *Cough* Pit *Cough* that’s just how smash is, if you don’t play smash you just don’t understand

[@megamimikyu0720]

samus player here, jab 2 still doesn't connect from jab 1 in spite of patches claiming to rectify the issue.

[@memuskhan9976]

@@megamimikyu0720 didn't they just straight up say it's a feature now?

[@dingus6073]

@@memuskhan9976 It's been noted in Samus' tip section since Ultimate came out that you should just use jab 1 and run away. I don't know why it was purposefully made terrible, but that's been the intention from the start.

[@Celestatiune]

Not teaching players how to play the "actual" game. I feel like a lot of the issues FGCs have getting a mainstream audience is the fact that most of the playerbase, myself included, has no real idea what they're doing. If you just hop into multiplayer and don't have someone kind of coaching you good habits, you end up just learning bad habits that work for awhile against the story mode and against other novices but can actively harm your progress if you don't pick up on it. As an example I assumed most of the reason I suck at fighting games was a combination of having trouble with consistent inputs and slow reactions (even basic combos are super difficult for me even with what feels like endless practice) and that stuff like frame data and frame traps and mixups were just going to be too far over my head. I've started to have more of an understanding of why that stuff is important and how in the world I'm supposed to identify what a "good button" is but I think what i really need to do is just try and unlearn all the random mashy guessing and learn some sort of solid foundation to build on.

[@phantomcyrano]

This is a common mentality of new players, but the truth is that fighting games aren't much different than any other game as far as learning curve, they just tend to have a much higher skill ceiling when played completely optimally. Case in point, I remember how to animation cancel with flash in League of Legends in the training mode in just a few minutes and then immediately doing it in a game. In SFV on the other hand, inputs might be tighter and it might take me longer to get to the point where a bnb (bread and butter) combo or punish is consistent. People interpret that as fighting games being "harder" when in reality they just have more skill levels you have to progress through. You also do not have to play fighting games "optimally" to he good at them. I would recommend watching some of Brian's other videos specifically about learning fundamentals, or any of the other many videos on fundamentals. At this point saying that there isn't a way to learn the "actual" game is a bit misleading. There are tons of videos on KZbin alone about how to play neutral, basic combos, how to frame trap etc and tons of them are by small creators who will reply to you if you ask a question in the comments. The real reason fighting games aren't as mainstream is that they don't offer instant gratification (I'm getting beat but at least I got a kill!), they force you to take all blame for your losses (I can't blame this on the *insert teammate name here*"), and generally they have bad online. The third one is the only one that fighting games are uniquely to blame for. But if you're watching vods of pro players and wanting to play the way that THEY play then you have to realize that they aren't playing the "actual" game, they are playing the "optimal" game, and only a tiny percentage of all players ever play on that level. Are fighting game tutorials generally bad and or non-existent? Absolutely. But in this day and age there are just too many resources available for that to be the reason you feel that you can't improve. P. S. Check out Sajam's videos on how to use one or two buttons to win ranked matches as a starting point to change the way you think about winning/playing the game. Really good info.

[@Celestatiune]

@@phantomcyrano Thank you for your extremely thoughtful reply. I will absolutely check out Sajam. I agree that there are many resources out there - this channel is one! But the actual fighting games themselves are not designed to get people better at the "real" game (whether that's the "pro streamer" tier or something like the gold/plat tiers which still in most games constitute a tiny minority of the playerbase). I've been (badly) playing fighting games since SF2/MK1 and watching this guy's channel this year has been my first realization moment that I, too, should be thinking about things like frame traps, "good" normals, etc... Things which i'd assumed were just so far above my skill level that i might as well not bother. Games like League and DOTA on the other hand... are actually designed to educate their playerbase. The skill cap is obviously lower as you're essentially only expected in most cases to control one unit in a RTS control scheme, but I'd argue they do a pretty good job of presenting what it is you need to do to improve as you play the game. With fighting games you typically need to exit the game and open a webpage to even start getting better. A lot of the core mechanics used to be considered exploits. Convenience matters or Amazon wouldn't be a global giant today with razor thin profit margins. If fighting games were better at getting players to the jumpoff point where mashing no longer beats them, I think it wouldn't be such a niche industry

[@phantomcyrano]

@@Celestatiune While I partially understand your point, I couldn't disagree more. There is a myth around fighting games that in order to be good at fighting games you have to grind in training mode to do advanced combos, learn advanced techniques like frame trapping and know a character's moveset backwards and forwards and all of their frame data. That's just not true unless you want to be an "expert" level player, the league equivalent of plat III and up. To be good all you need is to know how to anti air consistently, know how to space a couple of your moves and not throw out buttons without purpose, and understand the basics of blocking. I played league for years and when I first got into it it was completely overwhelming, not because of the execution required, but because of the game knowledge needed. If I hadn't had a high level ranked player as a brother to help me learn things like how to focus on farm, what builds are most effective for what champion, how to play a losing match up and oh did I mention how to build effectively (twice for emphasis) I would have been completely lost. DOTA never even tried because at the time there were even more champions, more build paths, a bigger map and the courier mechanic that completely changed the dynamic. Coupled with the tremendous amount of game knowledge that you need to understand what champions have what abilities, and the fact that you have the added pressure of a team that your failure can directly affect, these games a far tougher to learn in my opinion. As I gained experience I found that I could completely roll inexperienced players who didn't know how to handle vision or build their champions, get their teams to flame them and then take them completely out of the game. And speaking of which, the incredibly high number of people trolling/rage quitting and flaming in league just steepens the learning curve, since it's highly possible that through no fault of your own you may not even be able to fully play the game because your jungle took bad ganks and fed the enemy top laner. In most fighting games there are ways to view your own replays and see what you might have done wrong, and since you play by yourself, you never have to worry about losing a match because someone else played poorly. I would recommend you check out Fantasy Strike now that it's free to play. It has one button execution so it's a great game to learn fundamentals and different styles of play without having to learn any complex inputs for any characters since the controls are universal across all characters. It also has a basic tutorial to help you learn the game, which you're definitely right about most fighting games lacking. But if you can learn the build paths for three or four champions in league, you definitely have the capacity to learn a couple of poke tools in a fighting game.

[@endabio]

I swear your editor is looking into my music playlist or listen history or something. This guy's adding banger after banger to the videos and it's exactly the songs I listen to

[@raychangalarza179]

He plays music on the stream but like I guess the editor changes the music most of the time

[@asdfgasdfg91]

could you link that playlist by chance? liked the stuff I heard in this video 👀

[@danwinters1971]

The whole “ complaining about top tier but not switching” is interesting. Like in regards to SF, Do people really wanna fight nothing but akumas/uriens and seths online till the game dies ? I REALLY doubt it

[@aspreedacore]

Meh I hate dealing with certain moves etc of all chars including my main juri who is the only char I play so Play whatever you want lol.

[@sasunouchiha1400]

I think its more then complaining about the top tier. What you stated is the reason people say the lost because my character "insert any flaw". Or wow you play that character. Instead of gg I wonder how I could've played that better.

[@Maggotbone]

This one's tricky. There are plenty of reasons to not want to switch characters, some of them scrubbier than others. Ultimately, it comes down to that player's taste and worldview. Why would they switch to a character that doesn't align with their values? If nobody else on the roster was remotely playable (by whatever metric that person's considering) other than the character they hate, they'd probably just drop the game altogether. That's what most of my friends and I have done.

[@aspreedacore]

@@Maggotbone I actually play juri cause she is literally the complete opposite of what Iwant in a wife lol, and yes I only play sfv cause of juri

[@Thalanox]

I don't play a competitive games a lot, and have never been in any real tournaments, but when I was playing with my brother or my friends, if I was too good with certain characters in the game, I would deliberately choose other characters I was less good with so that I would have a better match. In my mind, a "good" game is one where almost anyone has a chance to win. If my win ratio gets too high, then I'm doing something wrong. I'm not learning or growing, and the person I'm winning against isn't either.

[@DocDevious23]

Nothing hurts more than picking up an old game, realizing how fun and awesome it is, but then realizing that it has no community and feeling like you missed out on something special

[@blueicydasani4543]

Examples?

[@FMJ1400]

@@blueicydasani4543 literally any fighting game made 2 years ago

[@blueicydasani4543]

@@FMJ1400 like....

[@TheWadledee12]

Picking up sfv currently

[@dekuskrub2154]

Fuzzy Guard: Automatically shifting from high block to low block on an opponent whos jumping, usually as an answer to jump-in attack -> low Fuzzy Guard Break: Immediately performing an instant overhead jump normal after a jump-in to take advantage of the transtional state between standing and crouching block where the opponents crouching hurtbox is taller than usual

[@numa2k147]

Thank you for explaining this.

[@LegendaryO34]

Yeah, and these terms are much older than FighterZ

[@dekuskrub2154]

@@LegendaryO34 pretty sure they were popularizer by SF4

[@Sorrelhas]

Thanks, friend

[@protonjones54]

13:37 definitely the most interesting point. This touches on a larger idea too, because many people will take a game so seriously, it becomes their source of meaning. If they can't "win," then they lose their identity. It essentially becomes a religion

[@ohnoo4468]

That mind set is so soul sucking and I’m speaking from experience

[@krypticavalanch]

the thing is hate the most in fighting games is when i can see a character play how id like a character to play, but is so fucking ugly that i dont want that character on my screen for a second. aka birdie. he is so cool gameplay wise, aesthetically - nope. the other thing i hate is when characters have options to get around things that are worse options that other moves your character has. laura's ex command grab clearly designed to by past projectiles. has crap rang, also has a move that requires ex aswell with armor and more range. like why??

[@krypticavalanch]

oh and moves that dont relate to the animation. if my character is off the fucking floor, than i am airborne. kolin overhead, laura vskill overhead.

[@multistuff9831]

1) people that talk about your character as if they know them better than you when they never hovered over them in the character select 2) when new people tell me beginner advice on my character Honestly this drives me up the wall like I know I'm just doing worse at the thing

[@BackForwardPunch]

My pet peeve is trying to get into a game with a long standing community, sometimes matchmaking wont even get you a match, and people dont want to deal with a new player who doesnt know the game

[@afroanimator3115]

I hate how if you have a problem, the solution people give you is "get good."

[@crussteasock4047]

Its true though. Practice is the only way to get better

[@juiceinthebag]

Brian you made me really get into fighting games. 30ish hours into street fighter five and I couldn't be happier. Thanks man

[@flackaveli8839]

The graphics clipping on Barlog's shoe is really distracting.

[@saviorofseals5111]

Oh fuck

[@skinnyfatz8483]

Naaaaah youre gonna make me notice :(

[@Kenjionigod]

Honestly, I keep noticing stuff like that this game. Like how low res the texture is on Nash's scar, it's super jarring playing at 4K with everything else looking crisp.

[@desupocalypse]

Necali's fucking hair has always bugged me with how fucking awful it looks. Worst offender.

[@Kenjionigod]

@@desupocalypse Oh god you're absolutely right, especially during his idle animation. His hair goes nuts.

[@43noah]

2 things that bother me -when im playing with friends and theyre just being braindead and whenever they say something theyre like "im not even trying man" . Like ok then dont fight me at that point cause one of us isnt even playing the game so im just sandbagging a cpu at that point -when people completely forget the fun part of the game: i remember one time i was having a group discussion about ranked mode in games and fucking sweats mcgee starts talking about "oh it gives bad mindsets, it builds bad habits" and when i said what if people just want a fun reward to work to and feel good about theyre like "hurr durr i dont like to try so heres a star for doing absolutely nothing" like alright buddy

[@Rukir]

I know we don't count but I'd like to add that the reason Smash players say moves don't work is because the series has a long history of literally broken moves (Luigi dash attack didnt have a finisher until 3 games in), and even with Ultimate every single patch attempts to fix numerous instances of players falling out of multi-hit moves

[@Jgt612]

My own peeve is when I play with my friends and they trot out the tried and true phrase; “Well of course you won lol you’re such a try hard.” There’s a lot to un-pack with a mentality like that.

[@dbgr9875]

Just realized that's the same feeling as when you actually try and do good in the pacer test/mile run in school, because you want to do good and like doing it, and feel proud of your new score, but then all the nonathletic people resort to calling you a try hard because they don't want to put in any effort because they think if they try they'll get embarrassed.

[@phabiorules]

That must be the new "man I wasn't even trying"

[@Jgt612]

@@phabiorules It's wild. You try bag for a bit so they don't feel bad then they pop off cause you're "going easy" And you're stuck there looking like John Travolta in Pulp Fiction except somehow more confused.

[@joescannoli7660]

You see that’s where you fucked up, you most likely played with friend who don’t play fighting games, no matter what you do they’ll still think they’re lame, go normal and they’ll think you’re a try hard, throw the matches so that they feel good and they’ll mock you for it saying how all this time playing and you’re still trash, getting them to like fighting games is a Herculean task, you sometimes get lucky and it connects with them right away, it also depends on your region, I’m from South America so everyone and their grandmama played a fg for at least a good part of their life.

[@THRAKORZOD]

@@joescannoli7660 doesn't help that fighting games are all fucking hell for new players to get into, mostly cause they are all dead and the only players you can play against stomp you into the dirt, learning nothing.

[@bluewolf8873]

The most annoying thing about fighting games is the community and how toxic certain players can be

[@supersaltlee7657]

Anything competitive thing is like that

[@GinkgoPete]

@@supersaltlee7657 That feels like a cop out.

[@supersaltlee7657]

@@GinkgoPete how is that a cop out? They'll be toxic people in any competitive setting because people see pros do things they deem right and easy so their ego causes them to think they can do the same without putting in the work or research

[@Melheck]

I mean I agree but this is most of online gaming, it's not specially fighting games.

[@supersaltlee7657]

@SKillS EZ *certain*

[@SpartanOfLuxon]

Fighting games that actually have terrible online match making but the community still has that toxic "Get Good" mentality. I enjoy putting in the work to get better at a game but when you go from fighting a guy who barely started and doesn't understand when to block high or low and then straight into a match with a guy that has 1200 hours and has counted frame data like its a second part time job the game is flawed and people need to understand that.

[@CashKetchum718]

The constant whining about how bad the current game is bad and how past games were the best grinds my gears, some people will rant and rave about how street fighter v is so bad and sfiv was so great, but when iv was out people shat on iv and talked about how sf 3 was so godly, watch what happens when street fighter 6 is or Tekken 8out for 6 to 8 months, people will do the exact same thing

[@HellecticMojo]

"The game's dumbed down" is the shit that drives me up the walls the most in the subset of your general complaint of glorifying the past.

[@pastorofmuppets9346]

I personally really dislike both sf 4 and 5 lol

[@CashKetchum718]

From Maui don’t get me wrong, I understand that, its just the people who will watch a street fighter v video pr whatever game they hate, then comment how much they hate the game. If I hate something, I won’t even bother watching it, but thats just me

[@CashKetchum718]

Passta I respect that, personally I’m not big on anime fighters or mortal kombat, but you won’t see me on a Blazblue or mk video talking about how players jump all day or have no footsies, neutral, or fundamentals

[@CashKetchum718]

HellecticMojo I agree, if players were as galaxy brained as they think they are the game being “dumbed down” would not be an issue

[@nomynameisLarry]

The thing is dislike the most is people who act like being annoyed and a tactic/character makes you bad at the game, and act like they've never been annoyed at anything in their life

[@Cool30Comics]

The point of neutral is to get in or keep out. "Neutral skipping" just means the character has a good neutral button :^)

[@bittnerbot1]

Well a big deal with smash buttons not working is multihit moves. Most multihit moves are coded to vacuum the opponent a little so they get hit by the entire move, but there's a lot of positional stuff that breaks this concept. To the point where top players use this to their advantage for dragdown combos with regrabs etc

[@Avenger131]

I hate how almost all games resources are spread out across half a dozen badly organized discord. I look at shit like dustloop wiki and thats great, but you pretty much never see that anymore.

[@boogit9979]

I hate when I grind out a player like 0-10, then start figuring them out and winning 3, 4, 5 times inna row then they leave

[@Mugen123456789]

I'm an 09er as well I went to my first local when I started college it was for UMVC3. I won't air them out because they were friendly people but half of them were 3 days out from their last shower. Also this could just be my introverted personality but going to a local and randomly popping in where all these people knew each other was a little uncomfortable. Combine that with it being my only option and being several hours away from my apartment and I stopped going obviously lol

[@rensten4893]

22:00 - Call them island games. They are isolated games that have small communities faithful to them but are not connected by large numbers.

[@postano9153]

the thing i hate the most is devs killing their own games by not listen to the community at all and in some cases doing the opposite

[@skinnyd_tk6795]

'the move doesn't work' is really a smash thing, but most multi hit moves in smash ultimate are actually broken because your opponent will more often than not just fall out of it before the key hit lands. this is crutial for multi hit moves which are also kill moves. yeah it sounds scrubby but it is actually true, the move doesn't work as it should so it's broken.

[@aaronfraga8809]

I found myself thinking the same thing so I just quit smash ultimate and moved on to a real fighting game lol. I know other fighting games can have inconsistent hit boxes but smash has a damning amount of inconsistencies outside of just hit boxes that I’m just not willing to put up with.

[@skinnyd_tk6795]

@@aaronfraga8809 a real shame, I think smash has the most fun and exciting concepts of any fighting games (smash is a real fighting game btw, don't be so ignorant lol) but there's not only the thing with the hitboxes, the online is fucking garbage too.

[@slippy9251]

Yeah and over the months there are patches that say that they adjusted the move to make them connect more reliability like captian Falcons up smash they've done it like 4 times and people can still fall out its crazy. Another example is Samus jab it sucks as well and never connects.

[@NSFSponsor]

@@skinnyd_tk6795 Shitty online, swordies/spacies dominating meta, too many unpunishable/lagless moves, etc. Ultimate is a fantastic game but flops in so many ways in a competitive perspective.

[@AffyMoon]

@@skinnyd_tk6795 honestly, smash is a genre of fighting games, platform fighters aren't different enough to not be fighting games but different enough to get their own genre

[@MuttyBX]

I honestly got into SFV more because of this channel

[@zachywatcher2312]

I think smash players talk about multi-hits that don't fully connect in the air because these moves are hard to program consistently in those games.

[@helenbell8188]

I would like to talk about all the "go to locals duhh stuff". You said that its weird to go to someone's garage to play and do stuff, i guess from your point of view its true, but at least you have the chance to have those. Here ( Europe ) if you're not in a very Big city its almost impossible to actually go to a local, those doesnt even exist. If i want to go in the nearest local i've Heard off, i would take me 4 hours of car drving just to go there, and 4 hours to get back home nevermind the gas bill and things like that. I tried myself to start something where i Live, but like its almost impossible to find ppl near me that actually plays fighting games. I Guess ppl with local near them dont get that a lot of ppl actually dont even have the chance to have one and complain about stupid stuff.

[@Inriri]

Same

[@benjman8369]

Also, the assumption they make that other people would want to do that is really annoying

[@Brian_F]

My point is it's insane that you have to go somewhere to play, and most areas/people don't have that. It's just not realistic to say "go find people to play offline" in most circumstances and by modern standards it's insane that we can't just play online

[@helenbell8188]

@@Brian_F I totally get your opinion and i do agree with you on that. But at least you can choose to go to those or not, here it's basically "go online or play cpu" haha. Thanks for the answer ! And its mostly a problem for me because local can actually gives you a good taste of offline gameplay and "being in tournament condition". It's impossible with online play. Its kinda hard to want to compete if you have no idea how the game feels offline.

[@Pyrobaconstudios]

even in the US if you're not on either of the coasts(or other major area.) and don't play one of the big mainline games of the moment it often ends up being unrealizable as well.

[@gavinclarke714]

Multihit moves in Smash Ultimate do not always work as intended. Nintendo has had dozens of patches for the game and still is fixing them.

[@NikolayNikoloff]

Arcade Sticks SHOULDN'T be so damn expensive! :D

[@thegentlexylophone]

It depends on the arcade stick. Typically the sticks that cost $200 or so are extremely high quality and customizable. You can buy arcade sticks for the same price that you'd pay for a pad controller, but it just won't be as high quality. It all comes down to how much you want to pay.

[@HanMasho]

@@thegentlexylophone Yeah, you can get a Mayflash stick for like $50. Sure, it doesn't have premium parts; but if you get more serious, you can just buy Sanwa, Hayabusa or whatever parts you want separately and put them in yourself.

[@dekuskrub2154]

Qanba drone is 70 bucks, its pretty aight and sits around other controller prices

[@kevingriffith6011]

And Xbox controllers shouldn't break after 90 days, but here we are.

[@NikolayNikoloff]

@@kevingriffith6011 true and they aren't cheap either!

[@ZachHenke]

17:32. This is my biggest problem mentally with fighting games. I realize that I’m not objectively “good” and I recognize when things shouldn’t work, or when people pick dumb options that beat me because I can’t adapt. I start to think that if I’m losing to a complete moron that I must be a bigger moron. However bad my opponent is, I must be worse. And I feel like if I complain about it then I’m guilty of being a scrub, or not “holding the L”. Makes it really hard to enjoy playing the game.

[@ManlyPlant]

I still hate any mechanic that required mashing. I get very concerned about the possibility of breaking my controller

[@Cannon_Shots]

tried to get into skullgirls last year, unfortunately I was seven years late. Good game but I don't want to have to talk to people on discord to find a game. I live in germany and most of the time if I find a game that person I match up with is the only guy I'm gonna match up with the entire time I'm playing.

[@NovaZayn]

People down playing your decisions. “Why did he mash there when I’m +? He’s def a scrub” while the same person last time did a throw in the same situation

[@chaotix67]

When people say "You're not that good" after they lost badly in a matchup that is not in my favor.

[@kristiankelloway127]

Godforsaken Games would be a sick name for a game studio

[@deep1012]

True.

[@rousalka4517]

I'd rather higher damage and lower combo hits, watching someone juggle me to scaled damage for 4 minutes isn't my idea of fun lol

[@AllUpOns]

Unironically, try out some smash games. With the possible exception of 64, the whole franchise is much less about drawn out combos and more about reading or reacting to your opponent's DI when you're hitting them.

[@rousalka4517]

@@AllUpOns also not a fan of destroying my hands for movement or the amount of gimmick characters, smash also does not satisfy.

[@SuperNimi35]

new guilty gear's got you covered

[@geo4290]

@@rousalka4517 I gotchu homie, play Bowser or mr. Game and watch. Easy movement, textbook neutral with good out of shield options and high damage, short combos.

[@BruhImSkill]

The locals comment really resonated with me. The FGC essentially halted its hype/relevance due to no offline tournaments (understandably) . While people's answer to this is just "we have to wait for offline to come back" the problem that's being avoided with this answer is that we are completely neglecting what is considered the norm in the gaming sphere. People DO NOT want to go to some random guys basement to play a game in 2020...it's just not going to happen. Side tangent, but I really think the Riot FG will rectify this issue in that the game will put a lot of emphasis on online rather than offline. Shoutout to WNF/NLBC and the content creators that are putting in work to put a stake in the online world for FGs.

[@Jardonius]

Riot FG? The LoL fighting game they're coming out with or am I thinking something else?

[@eduardoescobedo4540]

@@Jardonius nah ur right the lol one

[@Jardonius]

@@eduardoescobedo4540 That did look rad when I looked at it last. Let's hope it turns out~

[@S1neWav_]

when you play an "easy" character and you're suddenly bad but that character's playstyle just so happens to click with you

[@numa2k147]

Yeah, when my opponent doesn't run the set back I'm fuming.

[@dbgr9875]

Ultimate Online be like

[@christianthomas1877]

The real pet peeve is ppl that win in incredible lag and talk shit afterwards, like bro i couldn’t even do combos because of the lag. Just take the win and move on

[@ignaciothunderbach4923]

honey I can’t take the kids to soccer practice right now, new Brian F video.

[@baronvonfaust]

Soccer practice is cancelled, you kids gotta practice your whiff punishes

[@SaiKisaragi]

The most annoying thing for me is that people say I'm sandbagging because I'm not playing the best I can when I only can play to my abilities. I play a game to have fun and chill, not to win most of the time. So what I do fullscreen Yang rolls; it works on so many people and it gives me a great chuckle when it works multiple times during a match. If I wanted to win, I would simply not play the game, because hanging around FGC (namely, Fightcade) makes me want to slap my balls with a shovel, *vertically*.

[@live2die694]

When competitive smash players say that a move should work, when describing a character they usually mean that a move is very inconsistent

[@austingoyne3039]

Yeah I didn’t agree with that point at all. There are plenty of moves in smash (and other fgs) that don’t compliment the design of the character as they obviously should. For example a lot of multi-hit moves have had to be patched again and again so the opponent doesn’t fall out of the attack. Every patch is an acknowledgement that a move wasn’t “working” the way it was supposed to. Totally valid.

[@live2die694]

@@austingoyne3039 not only multi hits but also a lot of sweat spots on moves are unintentionally rng based, such as marth sweet spots, which actually sometimes doesn't give you sweet spot damage even if spaced perfectly. I think the perfect example of this is Lucases back air though

[@GrizzlyAdams94]

18:36 Hi there, me lol. Someone pointed out my reply is in this video, had to come check

[@bigredradish]

airing two grievances: - i hate how much people one-and-done you online. i wish they'd at least give players more incentive to finish a set, though connection problems can be excused y'know - this is my fault. it's only my fault. but I hate when ppl jab, whiff throw, and then do another throw and it hits. getting hit by that makes me want to die. it's my fault and it's only my fault.

[@noticeme6412]

i mean, some games dont allow you to do a set(like some games with a lobby system like UNIclr)

[@Alastorchaos]

09:35 For some games due to poor design choices, and dev aggression - this is true. Battle For The Grid features touch of death combos and no burst. There are meterless full life bar combos...and no way out. If a better player scores a hit and they're not godly? 60-75 percent. If they're godly, that's one character deleted, assuming no combo drop. Ain't a pet peeve when it's fact.

[@anthonyberno1332]

I like the stun mechanic. You just gotta accept that sometimes you get clowned on.

[@anthonyberno1332]

Like take sf4, you get meter and ultra when you get hit, thats plenty of comeback potential. I think its a good thing you get rewarded for playing well as well as having comeback potential.

[@Mushroom-Stew]

"This move doesn't work" I hear this thinking about melee and thinking about all the moves that were coded improperly

[@nickstormo1779]

I’ve been bronze for two years. Watching Brian after all this time just makes me realize I might as well stay there

[@taylorbee4010]

Honestly the most annoying thing about fighting games to me is there emphasis on inputs... As much as I work to be able to do moves even at and intermediate or an expert level you can sometimes still lose because you couldn't input hadouken at the right time.. which lead had me in the past to cater more towards games that treated special moves as a special case. And also surmise that this is why 3D fighters originally became a thing.. not counting moves like Akira's knee or the entirety of modern Tekken. Fighting games have a problem with accessibility at the expense of depth.

[@DrumLuv23]

GGs is my way of being classy if I beat someone really badly. It's me saying, "Yes, I beat you, but I'm not saying you're beneath me."

[@aplsed]

I agree with that pet peeve about stunning since it just feels TOO punishing, especially in Street Fighter V where there are literally combos that lead into Stun. It's not a bad mechanic on paper, but when you have a glass wall of a guard with a couple frames of vulnerability between switching from crouch to standing, you feel cheated out of a situation you could have figured out how to get out of without being slapped in the face.

[@skylo706]

Randomly getting perfected comes to mind when thinking about annoying things in fighting games You know, when every decision you make is countered? Yeah awesome feeling

[@animeprofilepicture8855]

probably because you made the exact same instinctual decision as everyone else in that situation. try to acknowledge your own feelings during the match. "oh man im getting blown up so i should really block" the other dude probably is already 2 steps ahead and is running up to throw, just running flowcharts to bait instinct randomly perfected isnt a real thing, you just got bodied

[@skylo706]

@@animeprofilepicture8855 Yep, that's more like it ^^

[@StCgT194]

I said it in chat but I'll say it again; the FGC itself can be considered isolated in some type of way, it's a very broad term. You're right tho: if I boot up a game and can't find a single game in ranked or casuals I'll consider it "dead", I shouldn't have to go the extra mile just to play online with someone.

[@nate5490]

Hate dudes that teabag mid game and send hate mail after getting washed. Stop bagging and play

[@Jardonius]

Can I teabag if you're just decimating my shit though? It keeps me from getting caught up in the salt xD

[@HasvenWorld]

Cowards teabag after the match to rub salt in the wound Chads teabag between a combo transition to rub bleach in it.

[@nate5490]

@@HasvenWorld bruh a teen gohan did to me on fighterz the other day, I was mad on tilt like controller about fly across room mad lmao

[@DragoonCenten]

Do people really get mad about inane shit like that? It's a crouch animation.

[@mr.mcklockwork3828]

It's disrespectful, and since you know that, it's like "This fucker thinks he's hot shit huh?" And then you tilt

[@HS_Gomikubi]

The irony of Brian's response to the tweet at 1:20 only to react to the 3:50 one in exactly the way he had previously described... "It adds nothing to your game" If you get pissed off because you turned off your brain upon getting hit and _expected_ someone to do the standard combo, only for them to check you and find out you were thinking about the post-kd situation instead of paying attention... then yes actually, it is adding something to their game. There's a lifebar/super meter/distance to the corner all on the screen, but there's also a mental equivalent to each of those that exists inside your head alongside them during a match. _That's_ where this type of maneuver is aimed to attack, and if you lose 50% of your mental health bar to one of these you're in danger of getting stunned in the event the same situation comes up again and they actually do have the traditionally optimal route on deck.

[@shishimailion]

I hate when people can’t win in a game and people say “Because they made the game more casual” Then win if it’s easy!!

[@buddhazayas2829]

The have made SFV too balanced in a way by making it too easy. The win rates hover around .5 for most players that says a lot. Its easy to play to par.

[@strippinheat]

People that call a downward air dash a "triangle jump." That term meant wall jumping since the early 90s.

[@aIkaIi]

People leaving after you figure them out isn't helped with smash quickplay's gsp

[@ikbeneenezelii185]

One of my biggest peeves is how difficult it is to get people who don't play fighting games into them, without beating them so they don't even want to play anymore. I guess this could also extend to expierienced players who rage quit after losing once.

[@spaghettioverlord3247]

If your friends quit after getting beat once then it sounds like you have some crybaby friends.

[@BruhImSkill]

"im wearing a red shirt" - Brian F

[@tamashiieater1889]

My biggest pet peeve is how my games are so much more popular in east asia, europe, and south america and are some of the most influential companies in fighting game history, yet somehow are consistently treated as an afterthought in NA fgc tournaments and any video talking about fighting games. I'm constantly thinking "this is a rich part of fighting game history, why does NA sleep on it so hard?" Sometimes random games with no history get pushed to the front of the line while the games I like are easily tossed aside to the point where I can't even find videos for the matches till about 2 months later while "random side tournament that didn't get streamed" or "every other game that did get streamed" is posted on yt the day of or the day after.😑

[@Aurryuken]

new brian_f video is always an instant like from me

[@liamg9334]

My fighting game pet peeve is that all my favorite games have the worst netcodes. Lag entirely kills a fighting game for me and I can't get around it.

[@bendboi4819]

Saying a Move DOESN'T work is a pet peeve but alex V trigger 2 exists

[@chileshems88]

People that pretend to play fighting games (insist they practice it but never want to give you a match for some reason). Basically people that are more interested in looking like they play a variety of fighting games than actually playing them.

[@chachawho435]

The most annoying thing is honestly how people praise Japanese players to no end and trash on anyone else

[@baronvonfaust]

Yeah there's definitely people out there with some stupid double standards... and it doesn't help anyone either, there's plenty of Japanese players worthy of praise, but when people exhibit this puritanical attitude it diminishes the credibility of said praise and just makes everyone salty, it's ridiculous

[@ashtmslf2315]

Generally in smash, when people say a move doesn't work, it normally means the hitbox doesn't line up with the animation, or a multihit that doesn't link the first and second hits properly

[@phantomcyrano]

"This guy must play Mortal Kombat..." Brian F I love you right now man. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Bacchus325]

I don't think you understand what smash players mean when they say a move doesn't work. A lot of smash moves just literally do not work as they're obviously intended to. Smash Ultimate Pit and Dark Pit are perfect examples especially considering a lot of their moves were patched to actually work.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

I know this is a fgc vid but... Yakuza 0 music in the background, a true man of culture

[@Capreolinax]

Thought I was the only one who noticed

[@spicyboi860]

and persona 5 music. Brian is a god

[@HugeWangPiece]

when a game has an auto block dummy setting that takes forever to reset

[@AaronRotenberg]

Gotta disagree with 5:54 as it pertains to Smash, for the simple reason that Nintendo's hitbox programmers are very clearly _terrible_ _at_ _their_ _job._ "Very few moves actually don't work the way the developers intended to" is just false when it comes to Smash. As in, the game designers want a move to work a certain way but the programmers screw it up and the move doesn't consistently behave the way the designers wanted as a result. Most patches have a huge number of hitbox fixes that have the sole purpose of making multi-hit moves connect more consistently, because the opponent would just fall out of the move before under circumstances that were basically impossible to predict as a player, meaning every use of the move would be a gamble as to whether the game hates you or not at that specific moment. Imagine if you are playing Ken in SF and you stand right next to the opponent and do a hard DP, and 1 in 10 times you do that the opponent just falls out because their idle animation made their hurtbox shift slightly, so they get a full punish on you. That's the sort of thing people are talking about when they say moves in Smash "don't work". I don't know if they ever fixed it, but at least for a long while, Smash Ultimate Dedede had 1 frame on his fsmash where some of the hitboxes were typoed to have zero damage and knockback. The opponent would just instantly teleport to the ground instead of actually getting hit. Check out around 10:00 in Rekzius's Dedede hitboxes video. _That's_ a move that "doesn't work".

[@live2die694]

Marth sweet spot in ultimate, Lucas back air

[@loganstewart7065]

CoViD is really showing how flawed the “locals being a bandaid for bad online” point is. Suddenly top games are scrambling to patch online in any way they can now that players can’t reliably play irl matches. It’s at least better that they didn’t have a solution ready at all, rather than the solution being a 2 day fix that could’ve happened at any time.

[@solblalock8458]

Smash does kind of have a problem with their moves that just don’t work like they are programmed, like Kara canceling with Ryu and Ken they can cancel a move that’s supposed to have lag into a lag less option. It’s good tech for the character and I think it fits well but it’s not intended

[@WaldoFindsYo]

some moves in smash do "not work" sometimes. mostly multihit moves "randomly" dropping, (of course you can probably predict when it fails to connect fully and opt to not go for that and do something else instead) also there was a big stink that shoto players were having when their proximity moves would or wouldnt activate when they expected them to. Something for me personally is Snake's ftilt which is a two hit move that you have to activate the 2nd hit for, (so I guess a 1 button target combo), but the problem is due to body blocking mechanic vs some characters the move's 2nd hit will just whiff or just whiff when you have too much rage or theyre too high of a %. and if you try to hit it on people in the air its actually very minus on hit. All of that makes the move really bad to go for and most top level snakes opt to rarely ever use it (even though its a frame 4 move that kills relatively early) .

[@chewbaccao]

Serious question: If a game has shitty matchmaking should it be considered "dead"?

[@svenlow7077]

Turn it to 2-5 connection n it's so alive u wont have time to look away from the screen but then it turns into Lag Fighter oh no

[@Maggotbone]

For games like that, I like to say that they're online-dead but competitively alive.

[@bulldogmicro4279]

Let me introduce you to my friend called MKXI. Some strings don't work on block because there is a breathing animation that alters every single characters hurtbox.

[@dylanh.3793]

Smash player here, I think you’re mistaken about how smash players are saying moves “don’t work like they’re supposed to.” There are multi hit moves that people will fall out of or some weird jank happens that is NOT by design (Roy Up B OHKO in melee). It’s been a thing for a while, just wanted to clarify. Also, claiming Smash isn’t core FCG but then bringing up smash in FGC topics so you can complain is pretty self-contradicting, yeah?

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Smash isnt part of the FGC though. Different origins and culture.

[@leaffinite2001]

@@RinaShinomiyaVal theyre not denying that. Theyre saying if its not part of the discussion when it would be bad for his arguments, he cant in good faith bring smash up when it benefits his argument. Its hypocritical.

[@animeprofilepicture8855]

'core fcg' is not fucking smash ahahaha

[@dylanh.3793]

@@animeprofilepicture8855 I mean... smash destroyed the “core fcg” in viewership numbers last evo so maybe our standards are too low?

[@dylanh.3793]

@@leaffinite2001 yes thank you. It’s not rocket science idk how people are misunderstanding.

[@TheNeverEndingLlama]

As a person who used to play smash religiously I used to be a part of the this move does not work bandwagon because I was used to being better then most people. But once I got into fights with people who knew how to tech and do things so that my old setups didn't work I'd get pissed. That's something that playing more in depth fighters like sfv, fighterz etc. I changed my mind from this move should always work what the hell, to okay that move didn't work, so what setup can I do to make it work. And honestly I feel much more confident in my gameplay as a whole because of it. Solid vid man! Love your pieces of advice and wisdom.

[@jacobstalls1159]

I think the reason you here "This move doesn't work'" so much in the smash community is because there is a history of developers focusing more on representing a characters series than game balance (I'm not defending this mentality). However recent games have tried to focus more on balance.

[@ardvark3131]

It's more because of janky multi hit attacks, I think. Sometimes, the dude you're hitting will fall out of your attack between hits of a multi hit.

[@SleepyBrady]

Pit is a great example of moves that fail to work sometimes His Nair for whatever reason has four hitboxes and they aren't even the same size either which leads to misleading hitboxes, plus because they're not big and in the center with an auto-link angle that means the move though not often will fail sometimes I've seen it happen And then theres Falco's Up smash. Csptain falcon's up smash works fine because theres a hitbox in front of falcon even though he's kicking stright up. They did make Falco's a bit bigger but it still whiffs on smaller opppnnents

[@remixapples7985]

As a smash player, a lot of the time "this should work" actually means the move isn't programmed right. Sakurai and his team do a good job but often overlook minor details, so we see moves that straight up dont work sometimes. For example, bayo's fair has multiple hits, and the point is that they link, but if you DI they didn't link. We can clearly see the intent but the dev team overlooked DI, and we can see this because every patch we see a bunch of notes that say "Made (move that doesnt work here) hit better into consecutive hits". This happened with Bayo a bunch, a bunch of other multi-hit moves, such as fox dair, Luigi dash attack, and y. Link and t. Link up-b just from the most recent patch. Devs wants moves to work certain ways but often overlook how some aspects can cause them to not do that, especially with a game with 70+ characters. So "this move doesn't work" is actually a valid complaint sometimes in the case of smash

[@aricting4252]

I think a reason people find issue with that is because in Ultimate there's supposed to be no SDI, so all the multi-hits should work. If there was stronger SDI, then nobody would complain about the moves not working because SDI would be legitimate counterplay against it.

[@remixapples7985]

@@aricting4252 i honestly don't understand what you're trying to say. Like yeah, you should be able to SDI out of combos at certain percentages, but you shouldn't be able to SDI with minimal effort to the point of a move not working

[@Inriri]

I appreciate the thumbnail

[@hey_itsgabettv]

looks like a wake up dp lmao

[@baronvonfaust]

@@hey_itsgabettv and you know it worked too

[@Medifrag]

16:50 What is so bad about having a realistic view of oneself? "I'm trash so I might get destroyed" even leaves the possibility open that he might not get destroyed after all. What's so bad about that?