What is the Fighting Game Community REALLY saying?

[@JadeJackal4]

people will watch Daigo play Guile and say he's spamming sonic boom, character has 2 moves

[@bangster1869]

you gotta use what you have in a 2d fighting game

[@alucard81]

@Quest Tzecai to viewers new to fighting games, special moves are the flashy stuff. If we show a person who have never seen a game of street fighter before SF2 matches of Ryu. The viewer will probably conclude that Ryu just throws fireball and dps when ppl jump over them. I find it quite annoying though, move list size has no real happy medium.

[@Chaoskae]

Whenever someone bitches to me about "spamming". I simply ask "If you can't stop it, why should I stop it?

[@markoholic_]

@@Chaoskae I agree, if you think the other player is spamming a move, you're doing something wrong

[@OlinCaprison]

@@Chaoskae exactly how I feel about it

[@bigredradish]

"honest" means "character i play" and "cheap" means "makes me block instead of hit buttons"

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

The only right answer

[@kaemonbonet4931]

Grandois the mega evolution of blastoise

[@multistuff9831]

My favourite sentence to say to scrubs is "if your enemy is spamming a move, you're spamming a mistake"

[@josephgibbons8407]

Can you explain? I do not fully understand.

[@multistuff9831]

@@josephgibbons8407 so let's say your enemy is using nothing but fireballs, and you can't get past it, you'd probably call it spam. But, if you know how to deal with the so called spam, you'd punish the enemy for it. Therefore, the enemy would have to use a gameplan instead of exploiting one simply habit of yours to win.

[@ryanh1013]

@@josephgibbons8407 It means that the opponent has no reason to stop repeatedly using a move if you never display that you can deal with the move

[@FlockofSmeagles]

@@multistuff9831 Accountability is a nice thing.

[@josephgibbons8407]

​@Jacob Slatter I understand that already by now. When I made my original comment I was just asking for clarification to see if I was missing something and have already gotten two very helpful replies three months ago. Please stop responding.

[@KTSamurai1]

gamer vernacular in general is a really unhelpful mix of broad and hyperbolic. most of the terminology we use was created to offload blame from the speaker, too, to preserve one's ego. and as you point out in the video, the same word means different things depending on who says it, further diluting the word and making it basically worthless in explaining anything we dont have useful words for talking about balance changes, everything is either op/broken or trash. and everyone has a different opinion on how the game is "meant" to be played. and in the FGC there's tons of unique terminology that other communities dont even use because there's no 1:1 equivalent in their games (or they jsut have a different word/way to describe it). it's a mess

[@mikelong2756]

When Yipes yells "This Is Free!" Typically one has just received "Busass"😂

[@RelznirZ]

Which may have derived from being "Pringles"

[@Pachitaro]

Yipes just straight up calls people trash and it’s hilarious 🤣

[@flashburn117]

I primarily thought of the negative connotation of “cheap” was akin to buying something that was cheap irl that will only work in the short term. Buying a cheap car will get you places now and for the immediate future, but will end up not working in the long haul. Balrog sneaking in a V-Skill overhead during a dash straight string might catch people a few times until they block standing before blocking low. The positive connotation of “cheap” used by top players seems to be a good option that doesn’t cost a lot, ergo, cheap. G EX rush low > VT, full screen fast low mixup, if hits, sizable damage and full carry to the corner with oki. If blocked, still +, can keep pressure or just walk out back to neutral. Didn’t cost much even if failed.

[@zacharytyrone4144]

The most meaningful fighting game advice I've heard is "if your opponent is spamming and it's working, you're spamming a mistake"

[@muffinman2349]

Happy birthday confused the hell out of me when I first heard it

[@thestanman1486]

Same. Such a random ass word

[@apinkdslite1833]

but unlike a lot of these it's very simple to understand when someone tells you what it means

[@ColtEagle77]

I love that Ivan Ooze video. I found that vid a long time ago, and it always stuck with me as a point of comparison when the topic of broken characters came up.

[@weglarz]

"Honest" traditionally has meant characters that don't rely on "gimmicks" to win. It's always in the eye of the beholder though. I've heard people call Sagat honest and I hate fighting that character if the player playing them is strong, because it's so hard to get in and once you do you could get hit by a tiger knee and go flying across the screen (SF4). So... I know what people mean by saying it, but both "honest" and "cheap"/"Gimmick" characters are frustrating if the player playing them is good. And to your point, in a fighting game, anything goes. That's the whole point.

[@MarkoLomovic]

To me honest means that character doesn't have skewed match ups against the cast so when you fight them you are not immediately fighting uphill battle.

[@mrosskne]

there's no such thing as a gimmick.

[@vincentmitchell9481]

Calling some one a "Try Hard" is a good one: Just because someone's fighting style seems more "frantic" because they wont sit still long enough for you to set-up this epic combo you've been labbing AAALLLLL day..... *sigh Damn Ibuki mains.

[@protodevilin]

I'm teaching a buddy how to play SFV, and he has to stop me pretty often when I slip into the shop talk and acronyms. "OTG," "crossup," "footsies," "poke," "raw," "confirm," "advantage," "meaty," etc. Also, did my boy just say "gran-DOISE"? It's "gran-DEE-ohs." lol

[@TheMasterBlaze]

I wish you luck when you get to teaching him the meaning of "Fuzzy" across different games.

[@brown_sugar_da_rapper]

@@TheMasterBlaze at this point I know what a fuzzy is but at the same time I actually don't

[@TheMasterBlaze]

@@brown_sugar_da_rapper Yo, same.

[@garminbozia]

@@TheMasterBlaze i've been playing fighting games since i was 8 and i have no clue what fuzzy actually means

[@HiterLit]

What are you talking about in SFV that you'd ever need to say OTG? There are not Off The Ground combo extension in that game?

[@Vanlou]

This topic just screams, Core-A Gaming!

[@v312ym34n_is_very_mean]

I guess I use cheap differently. For me "cheap" is something that's low execution with disproportionately high payoff.

[@BadlndsBob]

The older definition of "cheap" overlaps greatly with "broken". Brian's video example of a move that one can use with little effort that is difficult to impossible to defend would be called cheap.

[@OldChanCharlie]

Sagat crouching fierce in CVS2 tho 😭

[@mrosskne]

so, it means effective.

[@nickziegler1904]

Brian you should do a handcam video/stream. I think just seeing what you tend to do with your hands while you play would be interesting and helpful! Love your content!

[@NewBLKPLaylist]

This topic needs its own wiki to keep it current with any meta changes.

[@multistuff9831]

In fact it does but I don't have the link

[@kurtdrayton5065]

No one ever says what “OD” is. I hear it all the time.

[@mysticbailey]

You asking me to subscribe made me realize I wasn’t actually already subbed. I’m always coming back to watch your videos so I assumed I already did. Guess there’s a method to the generic KZbin lets player madness.

[@ardvark3131]

Trans rights said Brian F.

[@naruto4real77]

Hey, I'm glad you said it Brian, I've been watching your videos and when you said 60% I shook my head then I looked down and I wasn't subscribed 😳

[@kevingriffith6011]

I've always thought of an "honest" character being one that doesn't have much ability to open a character up: that if you block low against them the only thing you have to worry about is throw. The idea is that "If the defender doesn't make any mistakes and just plays safe the "honest character" doesn't have many options." Naturally some good characters are honest, like Karin in your example, but it's a bit of a flawed concept because it doesn't account for things like pressure: If you just down-back against Karin she's just going to keep hitting you and throwing you, which makes you want to hit buttons, playing right into her hands.

[@AMArchy]

To me, it just means characters that aren't super gimmicky. Something "honest" in one game might not be in another.

[@SolidLies07]

I always thought of it as a character that doesn't really have any tricks up their sleeve. They have to open you up the hard way and have a pretty fundamental (yeah that term does creep up everywhere) playstyle.

[@WraxTV]

I think Honest just means the character is solid (at best) but they lack the cheap options that allow them to run away with sets. Essentially you had to either work hard for your win or you had to be so into your opponent's head that you knew what they were going to eat after the tournament.

[@PurpleFreezerPage]

I like that you used an example for the God tier thing. In general I just wish people used examples way more. That's what makes Core-A gaming's videos so great - he let's his evidence do most of the talking.

[@JonathonTheAsshole]

Cheap means cheap. Lower investment needed to do something than the investment needed to stop it.

[@mrosskne]

that's just an effective move.

[@robertfitzpatrick1943]

Boy you said the word "Grandiose" as "Gran-Doyce", and it hurt me. Proper Pronunciation "Gran-Dee-Ohs" emphasize the S at the end. You're welcome. Besides that great video

[@Brian_F]

i'm doubling down on gran-doyce

[@dismasthepenitent569]

Nah bro it's pronounced Gran-dus Rhymes with tortoise

[@robertfitzpatrick1943]

@@Brian_F understandable, GG

[@AngelsFGC]

gran-doyce is an og fgc term

[@CaptainHandsome]

It's pronounced Gran-Dih-Wah-zz

[@dotChrollo]

My DUDE I wish so dearly this video existed when I first got into FGs. Forum discussions don't do shit for you when every other word is meaningless

[@Blockyboxguy]

Another really good example is when people use the phrase “At the top level of play” when referring to how a character/move/situation applies to a game’s meta. A lot of the time it’s genuinely applicable, but it can also come off as elitist, almost like “if you aren’t skilled enough, you don’t have the right to complain/have an opinion”

[@thechugg4372]

"Get Good" It can mean so many things, train your neutral, train your combos, use your assists more, train your blocking.

[@Pachitaro]

My favorite phrase is any variation of “Press 1 if you got hit” because I 100% get hit everytime

[@sanjivinsmoke2719]

The thumbnails are really good..

[@Sepums]

I think this is more "misconceptions" and "hidden meanings" than "loaded language"

[@XxImStarvingxX]

I gotta honestly say your content is so edifying man...Don't stop😀

[@Brian_F]

You just edified me a new word

[@kickingmagpie]

Joke's on you Brian. I am already subscribed.

[@SoMuchNoise1]

Feels to me like the difference between something being cheap or honest is how visibly apparent the answer to a move is, regardless of if the move is especially strong or not.

[@Ef-Eff]

I immediately knew once broken was raised id be seeing Ivan Ooze

[@starsheep1140]

Honest is the opposite of cheap, good thing at a low level because they feel like they arent being beaten by something unpredictable, at a high level its bad bc it mean the character has no way of opening you up or robbing a round

[@cloude8496]

A characther being honest/=/a characther not being good I think guile is honest,very basic charge characther yet very good with good buttons and moves

[@mrosskne]

No. There is no such thing as honest or cheap. There are only moves that work against your opponent in a particular situation or not.

[@xcreenplay7264]

"Happy Birthday" is the funnies slag in the FGC

[@crazymumbo]

I thought Brian read grandiose and just pronounced it as grandoise. Nah. This dude just straight said grandoise

[@SonicBoyster]

I've always thought "honest" indicated a character with a low or no gimmicks. Karin could be considered a "cheap" character because she has oppressive neutral that confirms into corner carry and pressure but also "honest" because her normal is all she does. Every one of her specials is wildly unsafe and her Vtriggers aren't really comeback mechanics. She doesn't have throw loops or a command grab. When you see a Karin, online or offline, you know what to expect, and you can plan accordingly. On the other hand when you ran into an El Fuerte or Seth in SF4 they had insane movement speed and every hit confirmed into a knockdown into a vortex and you hate your life. When you play a G in SF5 and eat three-quarters of his health so he uses any button into V-trigger into a combo or free pressure with command grabs that combo into corner pressure that kills you in two combos it doesn't feel earned or fair, it feels like you broke somebody's leg in a fight and the ref called a timeout, gave the other dude a crutch, and then watched him beat you to death with it.

[@mrosskne]

there's no such thing as a gimmick.

[@chkmte1304]

I always read "honest" as "a character has to work to get their damage/kills/advantage and doesn't really have anything beyond game mechanics to do so". Ryu is a good example imo-if you get hit by Ryu you probably deserved it

[@mrosskne]

there is no character in a video game that isn't bound by the game mechanics.

[@kishurocks]

Learning to play sf5 on a more competitive level than I have ever played street fighter, played since I was like 5 and never realised there were communities for it or people who could do all the crazy stuff you can do until I started again at 24. Thanks for the lingo update and telling me karins low medium is meant to stop people walking away XD

[@FlockofSmeagles]

You got me, I subscribed.

[@ForestTekkenVideos]

I like "schooling" It means that one player wins the game but a lot is learned

[@DynoDunes]

Nice Mario Party 3 music when talking about spamming. Poetry. Underrated Soundtrack, as well.

[@sonzaun5262]

The fgc was the hardest community thing for me to get into it ligit took me about 2 years to understand "everything"..................AND IM STILL LEARNING 4 YEARS LATER

[@Gulgasaurus]

a scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly also known as a busta

[@Shirojyuu]

I'm surprised no one mentioned "fuzzy"

[@slime-mahou-shoujo]

That’s for us anime players

[@ofDepreciationatTaxRate]

To me honest always meant the characters moves did what they look like they do, as oppose to characters whose strengths are less obvious. An example would be Bryans b+1 in Tekken. Its linear, slow, launches on CH and is plus on block. It looks like all of those things, therefore the nature of the move and the means of escaping it are intuitive (even if difficult in practice). Something less honest would be Akuma d+3 which looks like a low poke, but is in reality a much more complicated move that can be treated as a very high damage high crushing fast low launcher with many options (given meter). For the record both Bryan and Akuma have honest and dishonest traits, but I think most people consider T7 Akuma or King less honest than someone like Kazumi, Bryan, or Shaheen because its more immediately clear how the characters work, even at the cost of visual flair at times (kings moves look so dope).

[@nickgcs]

I always understood "cheap" as in "this is low effort", so it's kinda like "free". If "free" means that no effort was required, then cheap is just a bit more costly. And if someone is saying a combo is cheap, to me it sounds like you got a bargain, like you managed to make a good profit off a "trade" or an "exchange".

[@mrosskne]

so it means effective.

[@mikelong2756]

Brian. Please explain why Punk calls neutral "The Nooch" ? It sounds like a potential sexual part or activity..

[@AeroGold1]

Probably just because it sounds funny?

[@jaibtw]

neutral neutra neutr neut neutc neutch = nooch

[@jknintendo]

It's a shortening of Neutral, but it probably comes from the Melee Doc parody, because I've never heard "Nooch" until the "No Nooching" joke

[@guy543215]

I feel like every single term in this video is used at least once in every single video Punk puts up

[@GarethXL]

what is this neutral that you speak off? i play anime fighters and that term is foreign to me 🤣🤣

[@armandog503]

This was quite informative to the stuff I don’t know about FGC lingo But some words I’ve known when I played Yugioh back in the day

[@dismasthepenitent569]

Honest = the character relies on tools that you can use with every character, like movement, baiting out attacks and punishing, the standard set of throw/delayed attack/meaty wakeup mixups, etc. The opposite of this would be relying on tools that typical characters don't really have an equivalent of. I don't actually play SF so I don't have a good example there but a good example I think would be Incineroar in SSBU, who has a counter that buffs the damage and knockback of his next attack. It allows him to actually benefit from characters trying to zone him out with projectiles because he can just counter them to get more damage and then kill them off a single command grab. Incin isn't even a good character but he sure as hell ain't honest.

[@brandonsellers1076]

Incinaroar is awesome to play as. That's his draw. Stubby normals. Weird up B, but that counter and his grabs are BEASTLY!

[@Hartkn33]

This. A SF example of honest would easily be Ryu, specials are very straight forward. No real "tricks" just footsies and relatively short combos. But that all depends on how we're talking about honest/dishonest or cheap characters. I've heard people call all set-up or setplay characters in SSBU cheap, I'd strongly disagree but whatever.

[@dismasthepenitent569]

@@Hartkn33 Ryu has parry though which seems kinda gimmicky It means he can build meter off of opponents' fireballs and he can get very strong punishes off of reactable moves Everything else he has seems honest to me

[@Hartkn33]

@@dismasthepenitent569 you know that is a fair point. I don't feel as though Parry is strong enough to really counteract his honest-ness but, 3rd strike Ryu where everyone has parry was I guess what I had in mind.

[@dismasthepenitent569]

@@Hartkn33 The closest thing to setplay in smash would probably be getting the opponent offstage and covering a high/low recovery mixup but I rarely see people call those characters cheap because A. they have to build enough percent to get you offstage and then win neutral first and B. Unless your name is Little Mac you have more options offstage than when getting up in SF so it's more than a set of 50/50 guesses. idk if there are any true setplay characters in SSBU though, I think melee Marth could qualify though, his whole thing is he gets one grab and then combos or tech chases you until you're offstage, then edgeguards you with his fair, d tilt at ledge, and f smash and other aerials to cover high recovery.

[@bogartskim]

Brian upload?? Pog

[@kingkrispy5289]

I like the yakuza cabaret music :>

[@dwaynemcfadden731]

When brian finished describing fundementals i was like "yeah, thats me alright" as i love playing footsies in neutral and dont really like forcing guesses on wake up.

[@numa2k147]

Thank you I am learning so much from you. And I don't even main Boxer not even close. I main Kolin, but you seem to transmit universal knowledge and anything the FGC related really easily. Thank you for that.

[@deep1012]

I subscribed because the people in the twitch chat in the video said subscribe. So i did. lol.

[@zyzda22]

Yo Brian, legit happy to see you trying these relatively low-effort strategies to make videos. Love your work!

[@dorffanfgc3071]

I'm a simple man, I see Brian_F has uploaded, I click.

[@Heihara]

Spelunky music nice

[@periclescomoeddie5215]

I have just started the video, this is good to know.

[@mikecampau438]

Honest means two different things. Honest in terms of play, keeping opponents honest means they are playing without a preset algorithm or just mindlessly repeating things. In game honest is something that functions based on how it looks.

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

The other thing I don't like about the term 50/50, even when it's truly referring to exactly 2 options, is it loses the nuances of the two options. Often times one of the options is better, so it's actually more like an 80/20. Usually the situation tilts the value of each option too, e.g., if one option does a lot of stun, when you're high stun it tilts the situation all the way to being like a 90/10. If one option builds more meter and puts a supercancel on the table, while the other doesn't, now the situation is getting pretty hard to read at a glance and you've really gotta be experienced to think of it all in time. It's pretty rare that there's really no mindgames on the table and it's just a coin flip.

[@caelan5301]

to me, fundamentals are the building block skills that transfer over to every other fighting game, and the skills that you build a playstyle off of. No matter what game, character, or playstyle you go with, you'll always have some amount of anti airs, hit confirms, whiff punishing, etc. When people build a game plan using EXCLUSIVELY those skills, that's what I would call a "fundamental playstyle".

[@ameliorata4931]

I've been playing FG's somewhat seriously for over a year and still have no idea what Setplay is

[@milestitus2563]

The version of "setplay" I hear a lot is a character that places grounded traps or slow projectiles to set up bad scenarios for the opponent. But for all I know there is 10 other meanings to that word that people have come up with.

[@Capin91]

Setplay is an umbrella term that covers all your useful, repeatable stuff. Fireball traps where you know you can hit their next jump, useful strings that have frame traps or put you in a good space, knockdown pressure setups(oki), etc. Anything you can sort of put a bow on, and add to your toolkit. Based on the fact that fighting games are just numbers for frame data and rectangles moving around for hit & hurtboxes, and thus super predictable(mostly)

[@DEClimax]

setplay is an extremely literal word. it's a sequence that is set, or fixed. it's reliably repeatable. most of the time this applies to oki situations since they give you the most advantage to work with.

[@Lily-qs2vt]

i think youtube clickbait has contributed to the overuse of “broken”. Any time new characters come out in a game or patches drop, somebody’s gonna post “X new character TOTALLY BROKEN INSTANT TOP TIER” and get lots of clicks

[@qedsoku849]

I’m mid level at a fighting game called Hisoutensoku and once, some months ago, when I was fighting a top player, they said my playstyle was fraudulent, and I still have no idea what it was supposed to mean. Probably just that I wasn’t good enough or something.

[@espurrseyes42]

The Touhou fangame? 12.3 I believe.

[@qedsoku849]

EspurrsEyes42 It’s an official part of the series, not a fangame, but yes, Touhou 12.3

[@42Mrgreenman]

The "Cheap" argument basically falls as it does with all value judgements, as Brian said, a matter of perspective. If I sell shoes and was able to produce them below market value I may get a compliment that I saved the company money by producing them more cheaply, like Brian's first example of a fellow competitive player congratulating you for an effective maneuver. But that situation doesn't usually get publicized beyond the company or match. The situation that occurs more often is when a buyer feels that the quality of a product has been compromised, or that the pro player is taking shortcuts that only he knows to win, and everyone wants to tell others about how they were ripped off, so cheap has acquired a mostly negative connotation...

[@aadaaadasda9979]

I think what "grappler" in fighting games is a pretty shaky/debatable term too. To me, it's a character that actually has the gameplan revolving around their command grab, most known examples should be Zangief and Potemkin. Yet here and there you see characters like Abigail (SF5) called, yet he's more of a brawled that is a wall of beefy long-ranged normals, and his command grab is just there as something for your opponent to fear but it is pretty much never a cornerstone of his gameplan, and as for me, calling him a grappler just he's a big dude with two command grabs is like calling Honda a grappler because he has a command grab. There are also characters that are in my opinion can go both ways, and as a result harder to classify, like Birdie (SF5) and Hugo (SF4).

[@AceTriggerz]

I think fundamentals is things that are common across fighting games and not specific. Like V trigger 1 on Cammy isn't a fundamental, but let's say knowing how to anti air, knowing how to poke are fundamentals. I think cheap is just used as a term for things that are harder to deal with than to execute as a lower ranked player. I'm not a great player, so when I say let's say, M Bison's teleporting side switch is cheap, I mean I am not at a level where I am good enough to handle this easily, while the Bison who I am playing against is at the level where he can execute said move. To contrast that, let's look at a move like Cammy's dive kick (at my level) it is not easy to always get a + on a dive kick, or to even execute the dive kick with 100% accuracy, while to deal with it you just hold back to block, there isn't any side switching, cross ups, air grabs, it just comes out.

[@periclescomoeddie5215]

Spelunky HD music, LETS GO!

[@ethangonzalez9265]

Cheap means easy to execute but hard to react to. Usually a move that can be easily mashed out or mixed into pressure

[@bluddehspai]

As a Tekken player, there is quite the difference when talking about what you gave for examples. Cheap - something that is supposed to work with the system but doesn't. ex. Leroy hellsweep being fast and can't be sidestepped when other hellsweeps could be stepped, Paul's whole Tekken 7 kit when he is an explosive character while also having safe mid strings, evasive launchers that have big hitboxes Honest - an honest character means that they have clear strengths and weaknesses. Lei for example is pretty honest despite being a "gimmicky" character since he requires a lot of knowledge and setups to work in tournament but dies when they get found out. Season 2 Kazuya can be called honest since he's strong when he gets space and dies when he gets pressured because he lacks panic moves. Same goes with his 50/50 That's at least my take on it.

[@NikolayNikoloff]

As a Ryu player I have the Capcom God's given right to call everyone else cheap lmao :D

[@sweetmamaschili4051]

Honest isn’t really applicable to games like SF, in my experience it’s mostly an anime fighter term. It’s like when you use a character/tactic that’s skillful, generally lacks “tricks” (like IOH or tricky movement). Characters that are honest are the kind where there’s never really an excuse to how you lost. You didn’t get caught by an unblockable, you weren’t spammed out, it appears to be a more “honest” or classy duel.

[@mrosskne]

none of those are excuses. you lost because the other player was better.

[@mroblige1018]

Peanut gallery = his entire chat

[@user-rg7gz5ce5e]

Cheap... a situation were the opponent has 0 to little options to escape or to retaliate. typically unreactable situations.

[@mrosskne]

so it's an effective move.

[@joqqeman]

Online playstyle is interesting because it can descrobe opposite playstyles. One is risk takimg and the other is risk averse. Both are prevalent when focus is on ranked type grind - trying to maintain a steady win % instead of figuring out a single opponent out.

[@brandonsellers1076]

Already sub-scribbled my man. Got you on twitch and twitter. Big fan and always love your content. My take on some terms. 50/50 should be replaced with RPS cause you honestly have to worry about high hits, low hits and grabs with the options of jump, tech, or attack. Random: calculated playstyle that's movement heavy and not flow chart/text book way of playing a character. Broken/Cheap: tactics that cover options that destroy scrubs and only high level players can understand and see but may still get caught in. High level/Layered RPS situations.

[@ser3234]

I usually define a "cheap" move as one that is considerably easier to use and abuse than to defend against, "broken" as an extreme case of that and "honest/fair" as the opposite where a move pretty close in terms of diffculty to use and defend against.

[@TheInfirit]

To use some of them loaded words, there is also a mixup when pro players call the opponent's character cheap while calling their character honest and a real "street fighter" character. Well farmed content you got there Brian :-)

[@OrentholJames]

When i say “cheap” i mean you’re cheap. Get you PC fixed!!! Jk, love your content. Your channel is really underrated.

[@masontem7526]

I am here because Brian told me to. I wasn't disappointed

[@flamypow]

Over here "honest" usually meant "the game's most basic Rock Paper Scissors that you can think of" which depends on the person means different things. And a character is said to be honest when the character gets most of it's mileage from this rock paper scissors, where a player is honest if his playstyle is mainly the rock paper scissor that the speaker thinks of.

[@NBSilentShadow]

I can't believe the term "Fuzzy" didn't come up lol. Fuzzy in the FGC has so many meanings that it's too fuzzy to try to define it. It's beyond ambiguous at this point! Also, the one term that really annoyed me the most as a non-native English speaker is "Honest", when used in the phrase "to keep an opponent honest". My understanding of it is "to condition the opponent to not try to interrupt and sit still" but I swear every person uses this phrase in different contexts to mean different things.

[@NinaNinaM24]

I agree with you that people completely ran "broken" into the ground to the point where at best it means "not bad". However I don't think it should only be used for Ivan Ooze situations since in modern fighting games that doesn't really happen anymore(or when it does it gets patched out immediately). You could argue that if it doesn't happen anymore then we shouldn't use the word "broken", which I would be okay with, but I don't think you can tell people to stop using a word. Instead it could be adapted for less extreme characters that are still much stronger than the rest of the cast. For example I'd argue that pre-nerf Leroy Smith was a broken character, he wasn't Ivan Ooze broken but he was obviously better than the rest of the cast and was clearly in a tier of his own. On the other hand a character like Seth would clearly not fit the bill.

[@zaedis5629]

When you do a quick google search on the difference between meaty and oki, everybody will tell you they're different but then they'll give the same definition twice, just worded differently. It took me a decent amount of searching to figure out that meaty is referring to how active a move is, and oki is referring to hitting them on their wake up specifically.

[@jsingh98]

Thank you for this

[@JoeYale_v2]

Feel like I see youtube comments all the time where people are complaining about "spamming throws"

[@brohham3078]

I tried getting into blazeblue central fiction again and I'm hella rusty. But I didn't blame my losses on anyone playing "scrubby" high tier characters(despite fighting a lot of them) it was me failing to see the holes in the characters' gameplans that made me lose(or just bad combos). Me not adapting or reacting caused me to lose a bunch of matches but I did well enough(getting them to /4th or less health) was enough of a win for me to still love the game

[@shinfitz]

This should’ve been done years ago. Great job.

[@thenameisuppercase]

I've been under the impression that Fundamentals refer to skills that aren't character specific. Anti-airing, hit confirming, reacting to people who bite on your shimmies. Plinking, keeping track of your bars, punishing whiffs, and learning to read your opponent and anticipate their next actions. There's plenty of skills to develop before even talking about a specific character.

[@xodiac-gg7049]

spamming has become an obsolete word and its not valid anymore to say someone is spamming cuz fighting games now have multiple ways for you as a player to deal with someone "spamming" i feel while the word spam has become invalid, the word mash has increased in value because saying someone is mashing is valid if they are throwing dragon punches full screen and jumping and attacking randomly while in a block string. But i feel this word can get overused and used as a scape goat (a excuse that justifies why your playing bad)

[@mrosskne]

spamming has never been meaningful. the harder a move is to deal with, the more often you should use it.

[@ShadowedAgony]

Is that Yakuza 0 music?

[@rhawk9258]

G and honest can never be in the same sentence Being kept out with zoning in the perfect range. Look at the spacing They finally got in and are playing solid footsies. what a whiff punish into the hard knockdown with the meaty setup ohh they went for the fuzzy. That was busass

[@sableakoma1539]

For Honor is a huge example of the majority of the community misusing the terms 50/50 and Broken. Hot damn those players don’t know the difference between your average mixup and a specific 50/50

[@sniperwolf4423]

But what is oki, fierce, meaty, or tapping?

[@Ayyem93]

Can we at least all agree that UI is despicable? Cool

[@mrhObo9921]

and yall thought vegito was bad

[@Ayyem93]

@@mrhObo9921 I just started playing about three weeks ago so I was born into the horror of UI Gogeta and super Broly

[@Chaoskae]

The chat didnt reference Mike Ross as a fraud but they spoke only on Perfect Legend..... Man they dont know the Lore of "fraud"