BMW X3 Brake, ABS, and 4X4 lights all come on in the morning how to fix

[@ohmzen9695]

Attention!!! BMW X3 owners!!!! I had all these same symptoms on my 2004!! ABS BRAKE 4x4 Light come on and off. I took apart my servo motor to replace the gear.. ONLY TO FIND out it was PERFECTLY FINE!!! It was just my driver side Rear SPEED SENSOR was ripped up due to a rusting reluctor ring. Easy fix!! Bought a New speed sensor and a small washer to keep it from scratching against the reluctor ring. I WASTED OVER A WEEK under my car trying to figure this shit out! Hope this saves someone else too! Good luck! thanks

[@ohmzen9695]

Another quick tip for the Servo motor fix! Just spin the plastic gear 180º degrees.. The plastic gear only uses one side. Trying to release those little pins inside are a bitch to get that gear out! just spin it! good luck.

[@abumannocchi]

Once I remove what he removed I do what you said??

[@leiflillandt1488]

I don't know if someone has mentioned it, but if one of the wheel sensors (ABS sensors) are too dirty, the diagnose program (Inpa) says the distance too big, then all these same lights are also on. After cleaning the sensor/sensors and deleting the fault codes, the problem is solved! Just work, no costs.

[@zeke1040]

I don’t believe the actuator will click like it does in this video, if it’s just the wheel speed sensor. IIRC

[@thekidap]

just finished changing out my transfer case according to this video. took me 2 hours start to finish. got the part from a junk yard. saved a ton of koney. thank you brian. added to my favorites. 2006 bmw x5 4.4

[@samsonevickis]

Dear Brian, When this client pulled up with a crazy high bill from the dealer $12K, I assured him it would be a simple fix, not knowing exactly what the problem was yet, but with the dealer giving me a print out of the parts required, I had a starting point, having never had a client with this issue before I started to grow a bit nervous, but then when I wanted more info on problem and the cheapest repair, my hear fluttered when I started playing a video from some other site, for the voice narrating the video was that of Brian, my dear sweet Brian. I always feel better doing a job for the first time, when you have already done it for me. Thank you as always! Sincerely BMW Dave PS. let me send you a case of beer or something!

[@Boomhauer333]

+Dave Malik Are you kidding? $12k for a motor? In this case you don't even have to spend more than $15 tops. Replacing the whole motor is not necessary. That plastic gear inside is easy to swap out.

[@samsonevickis]

+Juggernaut383 Hah, no they were trying to say his tires were behind the issue, and that it had permanently damaged the Transaxle itself.

[@Boomhauer333]

Dave Malik lol i love those crooks. They need to be put out of business.

[@spiderdad00]

i was told that too

[@brakedd]

The thought of working on BMWs keeps me up at night.

[@abumannocchi]

You still up huh, 11 years later...

[@abumannocchi]

Transfer case fix no problems but dead battery

[@abumannocchi]

Yes all night studying

[@sjs2657g]

Brian, the trick of the right mirrors is that the mirror selector switch to move between right and left adjustments is left on the right side mirror, it will lower so that you can see the curb. If it is in neutral, or left, nothing happens.

[@briansmobile1]

I will say that BMW does make some premium designs and some premium components. I really like their seats, jacks, wheels, sensors, wiring, engines, collision engineering and ride quality.

[@briansmobile1]

I love the internet because eventually there will be a solution because ideas and opportunities find each other so quickly. AFTER posting this video people have chimed in that they found such solutions. On this job however, the best solution I found on short notice was the unit at the dealership.

[@williamcosme7276]

briansmobile1 did this issue cause your car to suddenly turn off when driving and/or a major loss in power ??

[@ronaldslager1714]

@@williamcosme7276 that happened to me... 2 days ago.... Any ideas ??

[@briansmobile1]

It controls the clutch pack inside the transfer case. It helps make the wheels hook up when needed for braking or accelerating.

[@briansmobile1]

If you have the back of the vehicle is raised the fluid will collect at the front of the T.C. and won't spill out. The spill plug concept only works when the vehicle is level.

[@briansmobile1]

Sounds like your alternator may be failing or your fuel pump. The key is to check it when it dies and see if there's no power, or no fuel pressure.

[@HappySince1982]

I have a 2005 BMW X3 with ABS/Brake/4x4 lights coming on and off and on again. A indy BMW repair shop found my transfer case motor faulty and needs to be replaced. Can I wait a year to get this replaced? Can I drive from Los Angeles to Dallas and back with this issue?

[@upallnight888]

Did you scan the truck for any type of error code (the trifecta of lights normally gives an error code) before you went and change the actuator?

[@RICGSXR1]

Hey Brian this video was very helpful, my X5 was doing the same thing and thanks to this video I was able to determine the problem quick, it only took like 45min to fix...and your right no programming was needed. Thanks a lot bro!

[@rockbottom1014]

No resetting was needed? The lights just went off? I replaced mine and the lights are still on

[@kevbidgood]

Thank you! This was very helpful for getting to the Transfer Case Actuator Motor part! I actually left one bolt in place on the right side, because I wasn't sure how I'd ever lift the transfer case back in place, I also followed other KZbin videos to buy a $6.00 carbon fiber motor gear replacement to make the repair on the existing unit. This repair saved me many hundreds of dollars.

[@Timc220]

Hey Brian, thanks for another excellent vid! Just wanted to let you know (in case someone hasn't mentioned it already) that the passenger mirror can be selected to drop while in reverse or not. It's controlled by the mirror selector switch. If you have it one the drivers side, it won't drop. If it's on the pass side, it will drop. This is how it works on my wife's 04 X3.

[@onerommusic805]

How the name this part?

[@jaisyn37]

To stop the mirror from going into Curb Assist, switch the mirror adjustment button to the right side mirror and it will stay leveled at all times. Once you switch it to the left side mirror, it will then dip the mirror.

[@enriquegomez7586]

Brian, I noticed that you didn't put a jack or support under the transfer case itself as some other videos have shown. Is supporting the transfer case not necessary? Thank you for your help from SoCal.

[@kingofthes3a]

Fantastic video. This helped me diagnose and fix my X3. Saved $$$$. Took about 3 hours all in to get it out, get it rebuilt (Following Jeff Caplan and EJcraigs videos) with the new gear and back together. Most of the time was spent getting that back plate off the unit itself. Couple things: 1. Take the cross bar off (18mm I recall). It may require another hand to get it back up, but it will certainly make it easier to access. 2. Make sure you have some swivel or knuckle joints. It's going to be too tight without them. 3. Getting that plate off was a pain. You can't be afraid to hurt it. I had to pound it out.

[@glenglene8473]

Have you noticed the black gear worn out in small section? I had the same issue, but I fixed it without spending a penny. Here is how I did it. The metal worm gear will strip out the black plastic gear, but it strips out only small section (about 25%). Remove four screws, pull out the worm gear, use you hand to manually spin the white gear 180% degrees, then install the motor. It will last another 100k miles.

[@briansmobile1]

I work out a lot. I just put the bolt through it and use my socket to push it up and then twist in a few threads.

[@upallnight888]

As for the passenger side mirror dropping down it is to assist drivers when they are parallel parking so that you can see the relationship of the tire to the curb. If you don't want the mirror to dip, just flip the switch that controls the right and driver and passenger side to the other mirror, so if it is dipping when the switch in on the passenger side mirror, just flip it to the driver side mirror and it will no longer dip.

[@jillymack7]

✔️ check!

[@jonfrancis59]

Try replacing the Resistor on the Actuator 1st. My X3 had the same issue with the light pattern & No Engine light. I ordered a replacement actuator with the resistor included. I replaced the Actuator even though the gears were fine. It did not fix the issue, I should have disconnected the battery afterwards to clear the lights. So my mechanic replaced the resistor and reset. That took care of it. Now as to why the new actuator with a new resistor included did not fix it, it may have but I didn't reset as my OBDII device does not have all the BMW options and unable to read certain modules or clear those codes. But the Mechanic said the problem didn't clear until he replaced the resistor. It has been fine for about 3,000 miles and just started having the same issue again. Going to order another resistor and replace it 1st. I believe the root cause may still be a funky connection somewhere along the line, or fractured wire / or corroded.

[@amarjitssidhu]

I have the same problem yesterday with my 2004 X3. Is it drivable or better to wait to get it fixed. After stopping at a red light and then trying to give gas when its green again it jerks for 3 seconds and is not smooth.

[@bite_beat]

Thanks for the video. Great one!!! Just one advice to the people who don't want to spend so much money on changing the whole part. You can just open the gearbox and rotate the plastic part 180 degrees, and it will work for another 60-70k miles. I did it myself and the signs went off permanently.

[@SelvaGanesh-Buzz]

Do you have video or link that you can share on how to rotate that? Thanks

[@tomscars]

Which plastic part? the white plastic gear on the outside or the thing we were not able to see clearly in the hole?

[@MrAllie-bf6zt]

@@SelvaGanesh-Buzz kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobOlWiudpJ5Y6M

[@dontpanic4295]

My lights come off for a few minutes and then after I stop the car and restart it they'll go out and then a couple days later they'll come back on are the gear still bad?

[@ncrdisabled]

I wander if those parts are made somewhere . Did that part have a core charge? With so many people out there I would think some would. I had a BMW a while back bought it when I was working and not a disabled VET like I am now . Living off disability pay sucks. I loved the BMW but even a oil change was a task.

[@snowmelt2]

Thanks Brian, Just did an R&R on mine. I opened it and turned the gear, although the other side was already a little worn proving that it does go round and round. Next time if fails I will order a replacement gear from Odometer Gears. Hey, the biggest hassle of the job was putting the cross bar back on. I needed three hands. Do you have a trick? DId you jack it up to get it close? Thanks again

[@randallstewart8487]

That right side mirror dropping down when put in reverse was bugging me too,but found out if you move mirror control to right side it wont do that,found that out accidently on my 05 x5 e53 n62 4.4I,they have replacement gears out to fix that stripped out plastic gear,you have to remove the circlip on top of white plastic gear to remove it and then get to the plate that the stripped gear is underneath,thanks for the video,I know its an older video but may help someone now that these vehicles has a lot more miles on them!

[@aldavis1967]

Thank you so much, my lights have been coming on for the past few days on my 2007 X3. Thankfully, I am still under extended warranty. I know feel I have the knowledge to go in the dealership and tell them what's wrong. Thanks so much and God Bless You!

[@Steve-vl9ed]

I own a 2005 X3. At the 60K milestone the transfer case issue lights came on. The dealership wanted $3K for a new one installed. I took the car to a mechanic friend who told me to ignore the lights. I’m now at 141K and have had zero issues. The lights still bother me, but the car is 15 years old and has given me no problems whatsoever.

[@DL-by8el]

I wonder why they don't have to do a recall on that? I found a bmw on auction with the abs and brake lights on wonder if it has this issue?

[@rakeshkmr]

There is another suggestion on Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X3 E83 (2004 - 2010) Transfer Case Actuator potential free fix which says that you do not need to spend $800 to buy the actuator but can simply rotate the bad plastic part to 180 degrees to fix it. I wanted to hear your thoughts on this.

[@e65bmwdoctor]

Brian.. if you want those pesky side mirror to stop dropping down or in BMW master tech talk...deactivate the curb wheel protection function.. all you have to do is select via the side mirror adjustment switch to the right mirror, that is how you deactivate this function. Most people have the switch to the left because is the main mirror we check all the time. So is not BMW fault.. is usually costumers that don't know or have training in these cars an annoy them.. only if they read the owners manual! jaja! great vid bro...

[@briansmobile1]

Carlos Ramirez Thanks Carlos!

[@teslatapia1713]

+briansmobile1 ተቴገooo

[@teslatapia1713]

+briansmobile1 ተቴገooo

[@drewaitken9601]

It is meant so you can view the curb when parking, especially when no rear view camera or guidance.

[@derek6947]

Great video. I was able to make the repair without to much difficulty. I found that I had to take all the bolts out of the cross member and use my floor jack to replace the bolts. Thanks for posting!

[@juniorsevere3787]

How much for the parts you changed and what’s the name for please because my bmw have this problem please tell me the name

[@davidlanham5914]

So, is it safe to perform this motor replacement without supporting the transfer case with a jack stand? I assume the case is still supported by the large through bolt you left in place? Other KZbin videos show completely removing the transfer case cross member. Thanks for putting out this DIY video.

[@steinmanisk]

Thanks a lot! This was very helpful. I just replaced the little sensor on the motor, which was bad. Didn't even need to pull out the motor. All good now, no errors and no weird noises! Cheers!

[@subotica1974]

thank you for clearing this for me. I also notice loss of power besides 4X4 would this be normal as well? It shows something like DSC problem see dealer?

[@2004skylinegtrr34]

How did you know to change the whole motor and not the one piece? Can you check the motor? And if yes how can you?

[@rafaelvazquezlandin6179]

i have a bmw x3 whit the same noise the gears and motor its ok wath other causes can be

[@KUKI17]

Hi Brian. I have a 2006 BMW X# and today the battery ran out, and when I turn the car back on the 4x4 light turned on...do you think is the transfer case or just an effect of the battery. This is the first time this happens.

[@SuperPetrolhead87]

Nice to see a repair video on a car im going have a chance to work on in the uk!!I had a 330ci coupe cant knock it,saved my life in a head on accident:)we need more like this keep them coming!

[@upallnight888]

Hey Brian, the plastic gear can be replace, there's a video on KZbin that shows the gear replacement procedure and the website that sells the gear. Can't post the website because it's against KZbin policy.

[@emputao]

Goooood, Rick. But how did you disassembly the gear case? I think you got the current best approach for this issue.

[@Nik-by5mi]

HELP!!Im doing this FIx RIght NOW!! and.. Im stuck on the black Crossmember bar blocking the servo motor. I took the 4 bolts out and I even spent the 2hours of getting the last bushing bolt loose and pulled out..but the bushing bolt is long.. its over an inch out.. but the Black Crossmenber bar still will not fall down loose..its seems to be stuck on something.. took a rubber mallet to loosen things but still nothing...it wall not come out of the way.. am a missing a bolt somewhere? 2004 BMW X3 . thanks

[@svais]

I have replaced my worn Gear Box Transfer Case Servo Actuator Motor with a new gear. The problem is gone. However, after driving for some time the 4x4 and abs lights come on (except for brake as in before) and the fan of the engine starts to cool it even though engine temperature is fine. There is no cracling sound when I turn off the engine as it did before replacement. What could still be the issue?

[@rakeshkmr]

Hi Brian.. I have same 3 lights on my 2006 BMW. IS there any harm running on them like that ? I drive this car very less locally and wondering if there is a way I can buy more time OR are there any other cause too this problem?

[@michaeltrovato1085]

I just watched your video on how to change out that shift Actuator motor you made it look easy I just did it in a garage on ramps no air tools by hand by myself not as easy as it looks

[@abumannocchi]

Welcome to the game.

[@kevinchakanyuka4833]

Hi there is the transfer case same a manual coz mine it's a manual 2.0 diesel

[@kidsmaltacom]

hi there , i have the same problem with the 4x4lights coming on, can you please send me a link to where i can buy the part online. thanks!

[@briansmobile1]

Effect of the battery- but also may be the straw that broke the camels back in terms of a failing motor. Run it with a good charged up bat and see if the light goes out and stays out.

[@youngmou12]

Helllllp!!! How do I bolt back the cross member? It will not go back up, it seems it's to heavy to go back up. Any tips would really help. Thanks!

[@juddwatts3240]

Is it critical I fix this asap? I need this car for a weeks vacation 90 miles away and back. No time to fix now.

[@sherifgruda7191]

Hi can you tell me which web site you find the plastic gear can you send website , did you have same problem like me ( in my car indicator now is orange lamp 4X4 in triangle, and abs lamp ) ,

[@fernandoruano1000]

How much did you pay for the part? Can you share some info??

[@randallaguero5047]

Hi i have this ploblem rigth now . Only 4x4 ligth you think is the transfer case actuador .

[@shellyhickman6850]

very good information... can I drive the car to shop for repairs or should it be towed

[@rafaelvazquezlandin6179]

i have a x3 whit a same noise but i inspect de motor an gears its ok waht other causes can be

[@briansmobile1]

It goes in stages. 1. Walk on egg shells 2. Get frustrated and possibly break things 3. Cuss out the fussy non-sense 4. Realized there's tricks and if it's hard... you're doing it wrong. 5. Wonder why other car makers are any less thoughtful. These are great.

[@luisluna4178]

I have a x3 08 with the same problem, I replace the transfer case but the lights still come on. I felt the difference after replace it but the issue are the light. Do you have any idea?

[@cthompson0531]

Regarding the passenger mirror dropping down in reverse - you can set it by toggling where you leave the left/ride selector for the power mirrors

[@urx44]

Hey brian i have a question unrelated to this video i have a 2001 chevy s10 and im having trouble taking the middle spark plug driverside out is there anyway to remove without taking the steering shaft out

[@masterz1r]

Thanks , just did this to my girls 2004 x3. Rotated the wheel. It's working great , best part it was free!!!!

[@briansmobile1]

What was it marketed as?

[@chall514]

FWIW - The car is an 06 to begin with. Also, all the lights are now deactivated. They were just off the next day. This worries me a little because my experience is that problems that disappear on their own, come back on their own.

[@99pshea]

I had these exact issues and ordered the part and had it installed by my mechanic. The lights are still on though...wondering if its another issue? Or if the indicator lights need to be reset to eliminate the error code?

[@elb1999]

Just purchased the replacement gear for around $100 bucks on E-bay. There are a couple of companies selling it including the guys who were the first to manufacture it - Odometer Gears. They also have a how to video on replacing the gear. Just search X3 - Transfer Case Actuator Motor Gear Replacement

[@thehun06]

Did you just have to undo one side of the transfer case cross member?

[@SuperDenonciateur]

I have the same problem with the same car. Is it dangerous to drive with lights on ?

[@luiseliplourde5745]

excellent job, you are the best..!!!

[@devildogg112985]

Thank you much, my moms car just started Friday its been jerky when driving . I appreciate your video, im going to look into this.

[@Resq28]

Excellent. Is this the same for 2010 X3’s? Thank you

[@maungsacca]

Thankyou for this great video. I live in Myanmar have this problem appeared in the last month. Now I really have to buy an e-torx socket set. But really a big big thanks for this information which has given me valuable information. Errors codes on ODBII are 4F7A and 5F3A DSC Transfer Case Malfunction. Also 5462 and 5463. Ok now I just have to get a part and spend money too easy!

[@lharvey16]

i liked the encouragement to not remove the bolt holding the support piece on, just the four support to frame bolts. did not look all the way to see if someone mentioned it, but if that support bushing is in good shape it won't pull down. the necessary side will slide front to back allowing adequate access, so it comes to the same thing. except that bushing must be shot.

[@luisfernandez6717]

great video. how about just the 4x4 light coming on? friends vehicle does that light only. what can it be?

[@antispectacular]

+Luis Fernandez I had all 3 lights, but after a few days it went to just the 4x4 light. This fixed it for me.. worth a try for only a couple hours of work.

[@soultanthegreek]

I changed the plastic gear and the dash lights disappeared for 2 days and now they are back again... I get the fault code 5F3A Any ideas?

[@kuyaxiii]

I just replace mine and didn't last long in just 8 months the Abs brake and the 4x4 lit up again. What's up with that 🤔

[@thewiseguy7100]

Hey man need your help. Yesterday I have the "Service AWD System" and ABS light. Im sure their both connected. I scanned it said "Transfer Case Internal Failure".. Does an all wheel drive only have one transfer case or 2.. Im seeing on ebay some that say front transfer case and just transfer case.. Please help..

[@carabela125]

I just saw a repair kit for this on ebay for $265. The downside is, it ships from Europe. I bought something on ebay from europe and it took 2 months to ship and get thru customs. And you would have to disassemble the gearbox too.

[@466tex]

Very helpful I just got a used bmw x3 it has not been 3 months yet and all three lights came on.I did some research and tried doing it myself last night and had to stop because I didn't know enough about the bmw. I am going to try again today thanks to your helpful video. I hope it works. I do have one question can you just disconnect the wires and drive it like that if you don't use the 4x4?

[@upallnight888]

If you still have the old transfer actuator, do you want to sell it?

[@sardonic_smile_8752]

How long can you drive it until it becomes a major problem?

[@chall514]

Hi Brian, very friendly of you to post this video. My 02 just did this on the way home today. However, at the same time, my tire monitoring sensor also came on. The tire pressures are all fine. My ABS system still actuates on a slippery road too. Is there a common fuse that may be the culprit?

[@witinicoti]

Hello excellent video, a question: can you tell me where you bought the servo, I'm in Chile and here they sell it at U.S. $ 1,800, you could help me, I would be very grateful Regards, Alexis de Chile

[@DillysADV]

Now I remember why I put up with my beater blazer.. the entire transfer case costs less than 1K.. good catch on the trouble diagnostics.

[@mannyfit7642]

I have all three lights on seconds after i turn on the car, i dont hear a clicking noise anytime after i turn the car off. Any idea if it could be the same problem?

[@alexg8460]

Manny Fit did you find out?

[@TyomkaGopnik]

Yes it is the same problem I’m replacing mine right now.

[@Woopwoopwill]

Yes I know why! L.E.D. lite emitting diode. It's a "Diode " the lite is actually strobeing at a very high rate!! Hence it appears as if its causing interference on camera.

[@xaviera5697]

My car does that and after driving it for like 15 minutes plus, it wont go on reverse but then you turn it off and on and it does go on reverse again, is that the same problem you think? thank you

[@rockbottom1014]

I replaced the transfer case shift motor, but those 3 lights are still on. They’re off when I first turn it on, but instantly turn back on. Do I need to reset them?

[@ThunderbirdRocket]

Hello , my car has the exact same thing going on . I wanted to ask you what the actual root problem was and the solution was ? Any help you can provide will be much appreciated .

[@briansmobile1]

I'm happy to hear that- I can imagine that working to a degree in some instances. It would be worth a try.

[@thekidap]

is this the same process for a 2006 x5 4.4?

[@Qui1023]

Mine started sputtering after a local mechanic looked at transfer case, and stalled everytime I came to a stop. Why stall????

[@ryguy14812000]

Is there major harm driving with this issue besides no all wheel drive?

[@ashleighnicolle3524]

I changed out the transfer case motor and the lights all still come on. Help lol

[@DanielleSison]

Thank you so much for this addition. It is truly appreciated. Now, I have a good idea of what is happening with the car and know that it's a common issue. Where are you located? Do you happen to know of anyone in California who can fix this same issue?

[@jaimensito1]

Hi i have bmw x3 my battery was bad I get it new one but my 4x4 Came on and I try to turn it off but I can't I turned it wheels bot size I disconnected the battery again but still there. On 4x4 is working. What I can do

[@cthompson0531]

Had this exact problem, turned out to be the steering angle sensor. It was tough for the dealer to diagnose

[@briansmobile1]

That's reasonable- thanks for the wisdom.

[@Dat1EditKid]

Hi Chris, I also have the same symptoms on my BMW X3 and was wondering if its the transfer case problem? Since you mentioned, its the steering angle sensor, did you also hear the clicking noise when you turned off the ignition?

[@cthompson0531]

There was no clicking sound for my issue. I've heard that clicking sound is the worm screw making noise in broken plastic and is pricy to fix. You probably do have a bad transfer case actuator

[@raduradu2261]

do not let the lights go out before you start?

[@fendidog]

Thank you for the video - get this took it to my BMW dealer, and said it was a 7000.00 fix.

[@xxROEVYxx]

Really enjoy the videos ! But I do have a random question. Have you ever tried to bypass the abs on a late 90s Chevy? Or on any vehicle? I have a 99 Chevy Silverado and I don’t want to put out the money for a new abs module so I hard lined everything to bypass the abs. But I still cannot get pressure ?!?! Installed new booster and all new lines. All 1/4” lines except for the 3/16” going across the rear axle. Used a inverted flare T fitting to split for the front brakes and just straight back from the mc to the rear brakes. There are no leaks in any connections and I have bled everything more than once in every way imaginable lol. I have tested it and it will eventually stop you just have to pump a couple times and hold. When we bleed it it shoots fluid out at the bleeders pretty good. But just doesn’t have pressure to brake. Kind of pulling my hair out as to why it won’t work. Sorry for the long rant. But I can’t understand what part of the system is failing. Thank you for your time and keep up the good videos. Ps would putting a proportioning valve make that big of a difference ?

[@MilesFromExtraordinary]

Ok, so this video is ancient, but I'm hoping you can help. Have 2006 BMW X5 E53 with same 3 lights after 10 mins or so of running. Have replaced the gear in my transfer case actuator, problem persists. Need to diagnose wheel speed sensors at ABS module but can't find pinout information to do so. If wheel speed sensors are okay, need to have ABS module rebuilt but can't find a source who does this for 2006 models. Thoughts on how to proceed? Cheers.