Littlefinger's Strategy Explained

[@nathanielgreene1533]

After looking at all this fuckery I believe if anyone deserves the Iron throne its him. Hes been putting in some work.

[@bridge4]

haha, well i think you made a mistake with one word in there.... "deserves". No one "deserves" the iron throne!! The blood thing is ridiculous imo... both in the show and in real life. I mean, I get why it happened. And I get that the stability it provided at times was beneficial. But like Selmy said to Dany "how many thousands of people have died because your brother chose the wrong woman." Anyway, I was joking about the nitpicking I did on your use of "deserves." You are right. Based off his gameplay, he is probably the most "deserving." I'm with you.

[@dhump132]

Can't lie you've gotta admire the amount of time and effort this guy put in. Especially considering he was from a lesser house and made his claim to fame by being a pimp and informant

[@bridge4]

+dhump132 all u littlefinger supporters are evil :-P

[@evropa3570]

@@bridge4 he'll be back to save the peasants that remain

[@arzeery1525]

Nathaniel Greene Still hoping he is alive lol

[@lrmcatspaw1]

Little finger sure gave everyone the big finger. Also dont forget, little finger is the one who created the massive debt that the crown owes. He controls the crown also by controlling that debt, at least in a way.

[@bridge4]

haha i see what u did there as far as the debt scheme. do u think it will come into play in the show? or is it more of a book thing? the way i see it, it factors in in terms of being able to hire sell swords, pay the gold cloaks, lannister army, etc... but i feel like the show has such limitted time left, that they are going to leave the Iron Bank behind do u think it will come into play in season 7 or season 8?

[@lrmcatspaw1]

I dont know if there are enough episodes to fit that in. My guess is, if it even is in the show, it will be something barely touched, even if the consequences are vast. It definitely is important. Even King Robert mentions it to Ned, that he owes too much to the Lannisters to break the alliance with them. That alone shows that Little finger managed to force a King to do what he wanted. It already played a major role in the series.

[@bridge4]

im with ya on all accounts. makes sense! u know GoT/ASOIAF pretty well. u should make some videos. i would sub to u!

[@infinitebloop4474]

like he said in the first season he's going to fuck them and he did that

[@InanisNihil]

actually he just finds the money... the king and the hand of the king spend it.. littlefinger himself acknowledge it.. again... little finger DID NOT SPEND THE MONEY... they just acquired it.. again.. Ned himself also notes that robert had insane spending sprees when he look at that scroll or whatever...

[@haymaker710]

"Wrapped around his little finger." I see what you did there.

[@bridge4]

lol. It's funny. As I make videos, there's an separate dialogue that happens in my head. In this case, I wondered, "do I always say 'finger' and I only noticed it today because I'm making a video on Littlefinger? Or did I say it more than I normally would, since my mind is thinking about Littlefinger?" Pyschology is interesting stuff. I have no idea though. "Pysch 101" doesn't suffice to give me the answers here lol

[@haymaker710]

So when you said he has Robyn wrapped around his little finger that wasn't intentional?

[@bridge4]

+haymaker710 it came out subconsciously, but I immediately recognized it and laughed at the way the brain works sometimes, bc I dont use that phrase often (to the best of my knowledge)

[@haymaker710]

This conversation has gotten the song Linger by the Cranberries stuck in my head now. "You know I'm such a fool for you, you got me wrapped around your finger. Do you have to let it linger?" Funny how the brain works, right?

[@bridge4]

oh man. im do delayed on this comment. but its awesome. that song is sick. cranberries had a few KILLEr songs. and that was one of them

[@geese8996]

I really hate how so much awesome writing and cleverness can be shut down because they decided to have a character like Bran who just sees everything and secrets are completely impossible.

[@fattyjaybird7505]

It was..... rushed

[@Blibetyblabla]

I think bran seeing everything doesn’t make the story bad, it’s how Peter didn’t react to it properly. He didn’t make his case, or hell, demand a trial by combat at least.

[@anouarramli3271]

Because if Bran was not a character it would be impossible that an other character could beat or find out littlefinger power and strategies.

[@theWebWizrd]

@@anouarramli3271 Except no one in the show did much of anything intelligent after season 4, including Littlefinger, so they basically could have done whatever and it couldn't have gotten any worse. I just recently rewatched it and my god it's bad.

[@helloim3j]

This video is phenomenal. I haven't seen anyone string so many disparate plot lines together so convincingly. You filled in several gaps in the story that I struggled to fill.

[@bridge4]

i don't have words. This is an awesome comment to read while starting the day. Especially if you knew the backstory. I almost deleted this video the day after. It bummed me out for some reason So thank you :)

[@fictionmyth]

I would say you've listen to those who've been ignored and remembered those who've been forgotten. Keep it up Edgedancer.

[@bridge4]

+Corey Carnes amazing! Your words are poetry!!

[@fictionmyth]

Strength before weakness, Radiant. :)

[@stonewall286]

i agree. amazing video.

[@wendyc1902]

Although I knew all this info, this is an excellent breakdown and timeline of Littlefinger's chaos. But you know what??? I think Littlefinger shared a little too much of his game plan with Sansa on the boat when he helped her escape 😉

[@bridge4]

+Wendy Snow I know, right? Seems strange for him to do that. Maybe george couldn't think of a way give readers some info she he used that convo at the expense of LFs aura?

[@steveandrews8917]

Bingo. The one time he was too honest, was his downfall. Wonder the extent to which it will go that way in the books.

[@ProxyMinePro]

I personally think Varys was one to Baelish right away. But he was not sure of all his steps, since Baelish knew Varys had spies everywhere. He covered his actions well.

[@usuallinkinultimate]

@@bridge4 Love was the one thing that screwed him over. It blinded him and in this one instance for the first time, he misjudged someone. He thought after all his little pointers and exchanges that she would fully succumb and join forces with him. When she gave him the cold shoulder he sent her to Bolton and the rest is history.

[@wadewilson8011]

yep, his biggest mistake.

[@gabeschugardt5710]

In hindsight, Littlefinger's fate was obvious. Sansa was his key to the North, and the North was his key to Westeros. He needed her to trust him and he needed her isolated in order for him to control her. But by the end of season 6, neither of those things are true; she has Jon, and after Ramsey she no longer trusts Littlefinger (and seems distrustful of everyone, likely an instinct she learned in King's Landing). This is a bad situation, but salvageable, he just needs to kill Jon and make it look like an accident. He'd lose the Wildlings, but the Northern lords would still likely remain with Sansa, and he'd still have the Vale. What really screwed him over was the return of Bran and Arya- it's easy to kill one half-Stark and make it look like an accident, but killing two other Starks (including the rightful heir) as well without arising suspicion is impossible. So he instead tries to have Sansa basically do it for him, but since she no longer trusts him, his plan falls apart. To his credit, Littlefinger's plan was perfect. He could have kept Sansa in his control, united the North around him, and marched on the rest of Westeros (which was badly weakened at that point). All he needed was for the missing Stark children (Arya, Bran, and Rickon, to be clear) to stay missing, Jon to stay at the wall, and Daenerys/Viserys to never return to Westeros. All of these are very unlikely to go wrong: the Stark children (theoretically) have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving on their own, Jon's vows are for life and he has no claim to anything anyway, and the chances of a Targaryen successfully returning to Westeros are barely greater than the Stark children surviving. Even better, any one of those three things could go wrong, and Littlefinger would almost certainly have been able to handle it. But all three of them went wrong at once, creating a perfect storm that not even Littlefinger could have survived.

[@bridge4]

amazing analysis and post!! thanks for sharing =)

[@luiscaetano2651]

In the books he yet as a chance. Sansa and littlefiner are in the Vale, and Sansa tottatly trusts in littlefinger, but yaaa, great analasy of show littlefinger.

[@iwasanMBTInerd]

Let's not forget Bran came back omniscient and knew absolutely everything he did. Littlefinger also underestimated the Stark children. He thought he could pit Sansa against Arya by saying Arya wanted power, but Sansa knew Arya never wanted to be a Lady of anything. The Northmen are also loyal and do not often backstab each other, so Littlefinger came to realize that the Game of Thrones was not effective on people who refused to play it.

[@JesusTheWayTheTruthTheLife]

Littlefinger wasn't killed because he was beaten in the game of thrones, he was killed because the writers had no clue how to write his character without the direction of George after he left the show. They rushed the second half of the series especially the final 2 seasons and his character arc was butchered to suit this uninspired ending. Also, him handing over Sansa to the Boltons was completely ridiculous. As if he would go through all of that work to just completely give away the key to the North to a family that betrayed and murdered hers, set to be wed to a sadistic psycopath in Ramsey Bolton (who he should very well know will mistreat her as this is littlefinger after all "knowledge is power", he knows much about many especially those he gambles on) and in a castle that's about to be under siege and at war. That is far to risky a situation for him to gamble with the key to the North just to create tension between Cersei and the Boltons especially after all the work he did to get her (when he could just tell Cersei that the Boltons have her anyway to create the tension he desired, as all the proof Cersei needed was his word), and all this when the Boltons may very well be killed by Stannis and removed from Winerfell anyway! His execution and thus closure to his story was truly pathetic and was not befitting of his character at all. There was no real evidence presented against him (other than Bran's God vision - which is a nice little hack for the writers to get themselves out of any poor writing situation), he didn't argue his case which is ludicrous, he didn't state to have a trial by combat or plead to take the black (which littlefinger would have as he would do literally anything to survive), and all the while being in a situation where he is surrounded by those who want him dead. Jon, Sansa, Arya, Brienne, Lord Royce plus who knows how many others and this all after being explicitly warned by Bran that he has the ability to see into the past from callback to famous "Chaos is a Ladder" scene. Littlefingers' true character would have fled Winterfell immediately or killed bran and framed it on another. He would not for one moment have remained in such a dangerous environment, only to play mind games with children ultimately leading to his death in what can only be described as a blatantly obvious fan service scene. Such a terrible ending to the master of manipulation, the king of deception, and "the" player of the Game of Thrones.

[@nikhilvasanth6236]

Littlefinger couldn't handle the bad writing

[@Ahmedhelps]

Lets see Petyr Baelish try this crap on the Night King.

[@bridge4]

+Ahmedhelps lmao. Quote of the day so far. That's awesome. But those words ring true as a metaphor for many people who keep ignoring or turning a blind eye to the real threat that jon keeps hollering on about

[@Ahmedhelps]

Very true. Petyr Baelish has always had an ambition to be at the top of the ladder, and I always found it funny If somehow right after Petyr Baelish accomplishes his long awaited perfect master plan......The Night King arrives and everything he worked for goes right down the drain.

[@petyrbaelish1718]

Ironically Littlefinger was the reason the Night King died. He had the special Vararyan dagger that he passed on to Bran/Arya, which was used to kill the Night King. So in theory, if Littlefinger hadn't done that, the Night King probably wouldn't have been killed.

[@arzeery1525]

Petyr Baelish real question is: did you pay a faceless man to die for you?

[@TheMartyandy]

After seeing how pathetic the NK is, I don't think it would be that hard.

[@scemat]

"You've been running all your life. Terrible things happen to your family and you weep. You sit alone in a darkened room mourning their fates. You've been a bystander to tragedy from the day they executed your father. Stop being a bystander, do you hear me? Stop running. There's no justice in the world. Not unless we make it. You loved your family. Avenge them." To me, that's the exact point when Sansa killing him was foreshadowed. She has finally picked up on his advice and this will be his demise. BTW, I love how ordered and detailed this video is. Subscribed.

[@aweeks062]

scemat this was an awesome observation. How do you feel now, 6 months after the show aired? How do you think his role is different in the books. Do you think he will fie by the hands of the Stark sisters still ?

[@chelseafc8126]

Don't forget what he said about assuming the worst from everyone and "chaos is a ladder". She used those two against him.

[@bridge4]

Thanks scemat :))

[@bridge4]

Great post btw

[@julianowilliams3263]

Wow you were right haha

[@ghostbalo]

"A man with no motive is a man nobody suspects" He legit lived by them words as he promoted chaos at every turn. Best character in the show but awful death for someone of that influence in the show

[@kingtutakhamon]

His motive was to be more than what he was born as..never trust an orphan.

[@MegaCookiegal]

this video kinda reinforces my belief that Littlefinger is one of my fave characters. I'm not aware of any other characters in literature being as sneaky and masterful as Petyr Baelish, there probably is but they're not coming to mind. He's a fantastically written character, and I always looked forward to what he got up to next right up to the end :)

[@shonomans]

i warched the show and read first three books by now. From what i learned no one is at peters level of cleverness. Characters that would come close would be varys, tywin and perhaps tyrion. Everyone had different motives: LF wanted it all, varys was targaryen supporter, tywin only cared about his own family and tyrion is actually a good person lol. But best player of the game is Peter, bar none.

[@pedromorais6826]

Iago from Othello. I also firmly believe he has been inspired by Shakespeare's cunning traitor.

[@ashbagchi964]

Agree. Iago was very diabolical. But he only manipulated Othello out of jealousy for Desdemona. Peter manipulated every main character in GOT.

[@tamaramagdalene1000]

He shoved Lysa like he was telling us "you did it wrong Jaime" lol

[@kittyykatie]

Who else felt weirdly attracted to him

[@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr]

Lysa Tully, I guess...

[@henryhooper933]

I’ve called the police

[@bridge4]

lol Mary. just a little bit

[@dubudubudan]

you should watch queer as folk on all4, he was in it when he was younger

[@farmgal77]

You stop that right now

[@CarrotFlowers421]

I love Littlefinger. Is it wrong to be attracted to such cleverness?

[@bridge4]

lol. im not going to judge. =) love is love. always a good thing in my eyes but why not Varys instead of LF?

[@natedaniels3655]

@@bridge4 I mean.. Varys lost his "little finger"...

[@rodneyginokc]

@@natedaniels3655 lmao

[@bridge4]

And theon lost his big finger

[@made-line7627]

I feel like it's wrong to *not* be attracted to that cleverness 🕶

[@joshkincannon1071]

I still think little finger had a faceless man take his place he's still alive that man was too slick to go down like that

[@esppupsnkits4560]

This! That sounds like a Petyr Baelish move.

[@gattzflappa6306]

I think D&D thought they were on there way to those star wars Disney dollars and wanted to wrap up GOT, so they just phoned it in on season 8.

[@matthewfazendeiro9303]

Isn’t the only way to take someone’s face killing them? In the temple scenes Jaqen Hghar was always carving the faces off dead bodies to add to the collection. In order to pose as Littlefinger and wear his mask, they would have needed to kill him anyway

[@aripeters2412]

@@matthewfazendeiro9303 actually, we see in season 6, when Arya learns that “only life can pay for death” and a faceless man drinks poison. She keep taking off masks and eventually sees her own, disproving what you just said

[@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779]

Littlefinger is a Machiavelli

[@oriuscarter7724]

The best Game of thrones video I have seen.

[@bridge4]

+Orius Carter no wayyyy. Appreciate the kind words, but no way Really appreciate it tho. I was saying to someone earlier today that I actually got bummed out when I rewatched this last night. I almost took it down. Just felt bland. Low energy. So yeh. I'm not just casually thanks. The positive feedback I got today on this from a couple people like urself, is serially appreciated Thanks!! :)

[@oriuscarter7724]

I do have a tendency to get excited and exaggerate things, and maybe I did in my first comment. But this is an excellent video. I have tried to understand peters moves for awhile and this video makes it so clear, great job ! I m really looking forward to the Varys video.

[@bridge4]

+Orius Carter haha..no doubt. Thank u regardless :)

[@davidargy2752]

I agree that this is a great video. I love Littlefinger and have watched the series many time through from start to finish and never noticed many of the things you pointed out. Awesome!

[@kronoscamron7412]

Dude is a Genius. and damn handsome. he would win the game of thrones if he stayed in the Vale and let the others attack him by provoking them and assassinating cerscei and the other lords of the other realms, and make them attack each other. the other armies would try to siege the vale, but he would be ready with hoard the food and resources.

[@rhaegartargaryen9315]

Gotta hand it to Lord Petyr Baelish, he definitely worked his ass off with scheming and staying brilliantly ahead of everyone else. Does anyone else want a final stand off between Varys and Little Finger? Also, Bridge4 I've seen your videos before but this one was top notch and you've earned a sub! Could you also do a similar video like this, but with Varys?

[@LMFroh]

After all their bickering, it would be cool to see Sansa and Arya team up to take down Littlefinger. Ned's advice to Arya was, "The lone wolf dies but the pack survives", the Starks need to be a pack again.

[@ladydewynter674]

LMF . . . Absolutely! I can't wait to see the Stark pack working together. Hope that Little finger is their first kill. :-)

[@bridge4]

+L. M. F. Good point. That would be cool if Neds advice came full circle. Plus, like u mentioned, those two always bickered. So it would be cool if they finally binded What better way to bond then kill someone :-P I'm kidding. On a serous note, I agree with ya. It would be cool to see it play out the way you laid out

[@nicolebacon3230]

I've bickered with my sisters for over 40 years, but soeone else comes at one of them and i will take them down like a wolf after a stag with a broken leg! I may fight tooth and nail with them but no one else can! I was the Arya in my family and my older sister was very much a Sansa, and yes we are like oil and water together, lol.

[@bridge4]

+nicole bacon haha. To each their own,but imo, ur the awesomer sister Sick post btw. Hell yeah to family!!

[@LMFroh]

If the speculation is true about LF threatening to take the knights back to the Vale unless Sansa marries him, I'd love to see Arya going at him like a wolf after a stag with a broken leg. LOL!

[@XRemARx]

I think Petyr is fucking awesome

[@bridge4]

+XRemARx I think YOU are awesome... yennifer

[@olivermcintyre8403]

team baelish all the way I'm Not saying he should win the game of thrones but i hope he is there until the end

[@ryancade3829]

OllyBigMc haha, get fooked he ded

[@purpleasfloyd7336]

Little Finger is like Palpatine/Darth Sidious from Star Wars. Always behind the scenes, working for both sides… with extremely sadistic and narcissistic motives..

[@minithin]

little finger had nothing to do with cersei being imprisoned by the high sparrow. lancil the tool named by an idiot with a stutter told the high sparrow himself.

[@JoshuaCadavez]

Little finger gave Olenna Tyrell a “young man” in the series bc of what happened to loras and margaery

[@ganthc]

Yeah, the show makes it clear that Baelish told Olenna that Lancel and Cersei had sex. It’s possible that the Sparrow knew already and was holding it as a trump card, but when Olenna brought it up with him, it was impossible for him to bury it. So he arrested Cersei by revealing he knew about Lancel.

[@carterdahl9654]

Littlefinger kinda forgot how to play the game of thrones

[@piro4351]

subbed because of how well you explained all the connections and interferences of Littlefinger, visually and narratively.

[@bridge4]

+Martin Kove cool, thanks Martin! I actually liked this video when I first posted it. Bc I felt like it was one of my better attempts at speaking slower as i went over the evidence But I watched it last night and actually considered taking it down bc it was so dry lol I might be biased bc the video was interesting when I first made it since I had learned a few things in the research process. But now, after seeing it a bunch of times, it just comes across as a boring recap lol. Anyway, i appreciate ur kind words. I guess I'll leave it up :)

[@piro4351]

no it really pointed out certain things ive missed ..and ithink a lot of viewers missed..because they arent that apparrent, Littlefinger is by far the most complex and intense gameplayer in this series..its actually quite hialrious how many people and houses he strings along..playing them all and whenever something happens that wasnt planned or doesnt benefit him, hes instantly there to minimalize the damage..and it works for him..but with all the strings he pulled..i think hes bound to leave a few knots here and there and they will be his downfall...

[@bridge4]

+Martin Kove +Martin Kove I hear ya. Ur making me feel beyyer about it about the bummer feeling I got right before bed last night, so thanks again I can actually see way ur saying now. When I made this one, I discovered things that either i had forgotten over the years or that I never realized. That's one of the best perks of making vids. Always run across something new. And then people commenting point out a bunch more, which is sweet I lm definitely gjnna try to do a similar video on varys within the next two weeks :)

[@piro4351]

ur always ur biggest critic..its how it should be...strive for perfectionism..kep it up

[@bridge4]

+Martin Kove word. Thanks!

[@kaimira9389]

Wait Joffery tried to have Brian killed?

[@dakotasherman632]

Yeah, he sent the catspaw assassin to kill Bran in his coma

[@treystaton282]

Varys is order and the relationship of him and LF is incredible. LF better sit on the iron throne or Varys inadvertently needs to kill him.. The only 2 players of westeros above all others

[@bridge4]

for sure. i hope "the game" dies tho... the realms havent advanced in a long time. its overdue

[@ZendikarMage42750]

There's no way that Baelish wants to sit on the Throne himself: it's far too open and he works almost exclusively behind the scenes. He wants power yes, but not at the cost of his life, which sitting on the throne himself would put him at risk of losing. It's far more likely that he wants to be in control of the person who ends up sitting on the Throne.

[@bridge4]

+Darth Xaarinth that makes sense But he said it to sansa. So u think those words were a lie? (As if littlefinger would eevvvver lie....he seems too honest to me :-P

[@ZendikarMage42750]

I'm saying he was lying, but you kinda glossed over that in the video, lol

[@ricardoxvii]

They call this an Eminence Grise

[@joannaz2854]

Honestly I don’t think I have ever been more fascinated and at the same time appalled by a character. Baelish is the true master of the game and seeing his (nearly) flawless plan unravel in each season was incredible. A man who came from nowhere and managed to have every powerful family tied around his finger. Your video was spectacular and the way you analyzed everything masterful🖤✨

[@bridge4]

Thanks joanna :))

[@jamesmcgarry8886]

This video was great and it shows how smart little finger is... But it also seems very dumb. He went from being the master of coin to being a shakey regent of the vale. That was way too much work for a small upgrade. And it also is kinda dumb that nobody saw little finger for what he was.

[@MarkeesBoisseau]

I don't think the upgrade was that small considering he went from just being a rich man to being a rich man with a large army and a castle which he didn't have before. His plan from there was to get closer to marrying Sensa and this becoming king of the North. That plan obviously collapsed but it was a 'good' plan. People saw Little Finger and called him out on his sh!t plenty of times but with all the chaos that was going on that he pretty much created, who time to figure out that he was behind it all. Too much was going on to point to one person. I mean aside from the drama going on in the world of the living, more important things like the dead coming was going to happen regardless.

[@bradleywoods3742]

It's not a small upgrade, he has a sizable army. Sansa knows him for what he is.

[@yoshi-wf4vm]

Don't forget harrenhal which was supposed to control the riverlands

[@jade3026]

Looking at all his tricks, I’ve come to the realization that Littlefinger is the Loki of GoT.

[@bridge4]

Yeh. At the time I made this, I didn't even know a bunch of his moves. So this video is only the tip of the ice berg. Well maybe more than that but I missed alot of cool stuff Like on tdays video I mentioned "a harp is as dangerous as a sword in the right hands." It relates to littlefinger sending or paying off singers in the tyrell crew to sing of joffreys madess. That got the tyrells to be cool with loras joinING the kings guard. Loras loves his sister and has a temper, so LF was setting up a scenario where joffrey would have a guard slap Margaery or something like that. And Lf expected loras to go nuts, possibly taking out joffrey So it never came to fruition, but it was another of his moves And because I caught that line recently,now I wponder if marrilion (books only) was working for LF the entire time. Traveling to the vale. Taking the fall for the push, but not seeming scared bc he isn't So we should keep our eyes on him in WoW. Singing songs to move forward LFs plots The master of the game of thrones

[@wiidub9225]

Littlefingers plans in season 7 : Seduce Sansa and get killed

[@jackashmore]

I really feel like little finger was only good at causing chaos and being adaptive, the second he started proper planning and was fully ahead of everyone he gets caught and killed.

[@julianowilliams3263]

Causing chaos and proper adapting is still planning

[@pjen410]

I was wondering one thing, If his plan was successful and he really had take over control of the North. What will he do next? ok the Lannisters may not be a big deal, But how would he deal with the mother of dragon and her three full grown dragons?

[@abrahambenkhiaron7444]

He would have probably tried to manipulate Danaerys Targaryen into thinking that he is on her side.

[@peterwindhorst5775]

You forgot putting the kingdom into debt.

[@ljb8157]

"Joffrey" hired someone to kill Bran? Was that an accident? Did you mean Littlefinger?

[@hellsjamfleas]

In the book it is Joffrey. Tyrion figures it out and tells him he knows on his wedding day (purple wedding). Tyrion deduces it because he knows the dagger had been in Roberts possession and although it could have been Cerci or Jamie who took it and gave it to an assassin he thinks they would be smarter than that, and both have given very convincing denials. The narrative confirms it because Joffrey gloats about his experience with valerian steel and excitement about his new sword killing a load of people. Littlefinger only plays a part because he lies about who took the dagger at the tournament. Tyrion didn't confront Littlefinger, he seems to have a grudging respect for him. He doesn't like him but finds himself wanting him back at court because of how essential he is to the finances (at least understanding them).

[@alexandrebeaudry8377]

Everyone seem to forget something Baelish said before all those conflict start. To Ned "You have to make peace with the Lannisters, with you ennemy" Baelish is the keeper of peace. He his one of the smartest caracter in the games but his intelligence have flaws. He can't handle as those plot. I believe when he said "Chaos is a ladder" was a reminder to Ned that Robert's rebellion ended up with Baratheon on the throne because the Taragaryen were the chaos. A chaos that only got ease with and knight that could'nt face his King to him. Littlefinger has an amazing senses to see the worst in other and he uses this as a tool like he use his whorehouse and he sure take care not to get messy himself. His power relies on knowledge (which he have become of his business). Also his business is responsible of his wealth. He need peace to be in the games. Not the way "they" do it. Those man who see violence as an act of love. He has a desperate faith for love and an disgust for violence. He doesn't create chaos. He is just a master at dealing with it for peace with all those family that believe a name, honor or love is an excuse for war.

[@Pebble_Collector]

I hope he wins. Brilliant character and it would be a great, realistic, different, probably satisfying (if done right) ending. Maybe a couple different characters/factions could "win" but I'd like to see him make it to the end and be successful.

[@bridge4]

+LrsLzk u littlefinger fans break my heart. If he wins, I won't be shocked, but I'll be upset lol

[@jonathandenil8790]

+bridge4 same

[@user-gm5kj3vd7w]

He ded

[@jimmytony100]

OK GOT end game will follow real history of the UK which is most of GRRM source material. Sansa is Elizabeth I (virgin Queen and re haired). Elizabeth I united the UK and reigned over their Golden cultural period and united the Kingdoms - this will be how GOT will end after all forms of magic and magical beings are extinguished from world forever.

[@gaozhi2007]

If the writers have Sansa or another Stark get the better of Littlefinger, then they have fucking failed. LF said it himself "Ah, the Starks. Quick tempers, slow minds." It would be a complete travesty to have an idiot like Sansa outfox a player who has been manipulating the whole fucking game since the beginning. No, if anyone is going to outsmart him, it needs to be Varys. In the first few seasons we have some wonderful scenes of them dukeing it out. I know GRRM with take this route, but hopefully D&D won't fuck this one up. I think LF will make it all the way to the throne, but fail at the last moment.

[@lindashovea8281]

Really looking forward to your Varys segment!!

[@bridge4]

Me too! lol. Because as I do it, I end up learning a bunch of stuff. I want to give it the time it deserves though since I'm a huge Varys fan. It will probably take me over a week. Maybe 2 :-/ Apologies....

[@ThejollyFrenchman]

I still don't understand why he had Sansa marry Ramsay. Littlefinger was not the kind of man to take an action without being well informed, and Ramsay never made any real attempt to hide his sadism, in fact, he revelled in it. The match was inevitably going to end in Ramsay raping and torturing Sansa, which lead directly to Sansa no longer trusting Baelish. What does Baelish actually gain from that? It never made sense, both within the plot, and in terms of the narrative.

[@bridge4]

It's because the show dropped false arya. So they effectively had to layer in sansa there. But i hear ya

[@Enlazador9]

Because D&D wanted to kill Petyr's character and this was the best way to do it.

[@anitelufalemei4200]

Bullshit writing. Is what it is

[@DarceG-jh1ik]

Petition to remake seasons 7 and 8 because no way is Littlefinger outsmarted by Sansa the way he was very poorly written out of the series

[@jesscool1991]

Hey man, you forgot one of the most important Baelish scenes in the show! How Baelish tricked Tywin Lannister. Remember one of Baelish's most famous scenes where he says "Chaos is a ladder?" Season 3, episode 6. The Climb. During that scene, many people thought that the scene was all about how Ros betrayed Baelish and how he took his revenge. But no, that scene was actually all about Sansa. And Baelish's plan for Sansa. And that scene also showed how Baelish used the great Tywin Lannister to be a part of his plan. Baelish had his eyes set on Sansa (as the key to The North) from season 1. But Varys and Olenna were planning to marry Sansa and Loras. He came to know this when his informant, Oliver, slept with Loras and found out about this plan. He told this to Cercei, knowing fully that she would inform Tywin about it. And he also knew exactly what Tywin's response to this would be. Tywin would set up a marriage between Tyrion and Sansa. And of course, Sansa would hate it. So he asked Sansa to come with him, but she refuses, thinking she's going to marry Loras. So he just leaves. After Sansa came to know that she's marrying Tyrion, she is extremely sad that she missed the chance to escape with Baelish. I think this is also important. Baelish made her desperately wish she went with him. Desperation is also one way to make someone fall in love with you. If you see the dialogue in that scene, it was almost a lot about Sansa, and the chance she was given. Anyway, he expected that she would trust him more when she was given another chance to escape after Joffery's murder. So in a way, he used Tywin to get Sansa to trust him even more and come with him.

[@ChrisStephens94]

"He would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes. " The dialogue is so amazing.

[@bethfinne3260]

And now he's dead. Stark sisters and Stark justice are fierce.

[@bridge4]

For sure!

[@bridge4]

She wolves :))

[@Casper_Knight_Music]

i mean his character writing went to shit when he spent a whole season trying to get two kids to argue with eachother, then he just kinda died bc bran9000 who noone has seen in years said he was guilty and everyone believed him. oh then the stark sisters ruined the 'he who swings the sword' line

[@G-Fiti]

Joffrey hired someone to kill Bran? wat

[@StrongLIfePower]

Lord Petyr Baelish will Rule the 7 KIngdoms six weeks after Game of Thrones rises from the Dead Easter Sunday April 17th 2022!!!!

[@elysium5692]

What do you mean?

[@darrenfreyauthor]

Why couldn't Littlefinger make Robin Fly as well?

[@bridge4]

I'm not as comfortable with that plot as I'd like to be. I cant really tell if he was to leverage Robyn as his puppet or if he wants to replace robyn. Probably both. If robyn were to begin to move beyond his control, hed probably regain control through the other pieces that petyr has been setting up in and around the vale

[@darrenfreyauthor]

@@bridge4 Robin was the prince of the veil and since little finger was the lord of the vale, even though he wasn't Robbins biological father, he was still more or less responsible for him after he married his mother. Perhaps he had good intentions for Robin which is why he sent him off that way he wouldn't potentially get killed and he could learn how to stop being such a little incest weirdo. Who knows what Littlefinger was thinking though? I mean we only got a small morsel of what he was intending to do compared to what he was trying to do.

[@kermitthefrog3685]

Littlefinger also Had Ned Starks brother killed in hopes of marrying Catlin, and also probably spread the lies of Leanne being kidnapped when he was probably trusted to tell what was really going on, which lead to Roberts war.

[@bridge4]

Wouldn't be surprised if both of those were true

[@ethanking3967]

I know I'm late to the party, but one of the main points should've been that LF brought the Tyrells over to the Lannisters, making them pronounce him lord of Harrenhal and the Riverlands.

[@bridge4]

+Ethan King I didn't mention his reward but Im pretry sure I mentioned how he spoke to Margaery and then tywin to broker the marriagre/alliance (goes down different in the books) But maybe I'm mistaken. Haven't watched this in awhile Regardless, U Are correct. Thst was a big move by him

[@MudObserver]

The show should be called Game of Littlefinger.

[@jjh___5459]

Excellent video. Immaculately explained. Liked and subscribed!

[@bridge4]

awesome! thanks =) look forward to chatting with ya. hoping to do a similar video for varys, but probably not until after s7 since i want to reread basicaly all 5 books and try to do Varys justice since he is also an impressive player, like Littlefinger

[@rlmross]

Most pointless character in terms of screen time for end game pay off. It was really sad to see him go out the way he did.

[@eyyyohh1047]

Chaos is a ladder

[@gerardjagroo]

Clever calculations but he was totally unprepared for the Old powers of the North in the person of Brandon Stark. All the calculations in the world are completely futile if your enemy can see your every move as, or even before, you make them. Also the separations and sufferings of the Starks made them resistant to Litlefinger's plans to divide and manipulate them.

[@celeste1013]

If u think little fingers will s dead, you're gonna be surprised 🤞🏾😊

[@Modeeus]

Also, when Pycelle is defending Gregor Clegane, telling Ned that it's drastic to renounce Cleganes title as a knight. The viewer most probably think Pycelle is the bad guy when infact it is Baelish who is building up the conflict.

[@othihaliemleu8382]

Littlefinger + Varys = God?

[@ncchazy1]

I believe that little finger killed John arryn bc Robin is his son and the fact John was looking into the family traits made little finger orchestrate Ned finding out that the Lannister's were products of incest throwing Ned off from why John was killed. Which is to cover up his own bastard who is rolling the Vale. Lyssa says as much in the show when she says they can make another child just like sweet Robin. Everything tearing the kingdom apart keeps the eyes off of his ultimate deception.

[@rob3326]

I have heard a lot of LF wanting to be with Sansa. I think he was honest the moment before killing Lysa, Catlyn was the only person he ever loved. If he had been in love with Sansa he never would have sent her to be with the Boltons, even if he thought they were good people. Nobody wants someone they love married to someone else. Even for a short time. Sansa was simply means to get power in the north as Lysa was in the Vale.

[@esppupsnkits4560]

He didn’t love Cat. He had an obsession with her, like Lysa was obsessed with him

[@AntonioC.M]

Littlefinger is the conception of the USA

[@PACR66]

This is somehow something I don't like, Littlefinger does a lot of stuff, like TONS of stuff, the GOT series exists mostly because this man. It is meant to be cool, but somehow the idea of one man pulling the strings of everyone annoys me, he feels like a Gary Stu up to his death, that was way too cheap, I mean, for a man that orchestrated all the events on the series.

[@BernyBadger]

Favorite character. We're both intjs. I think he'll win, not because he's my favorite and I want my favorite to win but because of the theme of the book. Taking a fantasy world and tipping it on its head. Making what are supposed to be the good traits in a fantasy hero and making them their vices, i.e. Honor, trust, family, etc. littlefinger is the opposite. He's a small man that doesn't have honor or family or trust holding him down. No one knows him or what he wants, except maybe Sansa now in both book and show.

[@bridge4]

+BernyBadger so u think there will be a throne at the end? Wishful thinking :-P

[@BernyBadger]

bridge4 I mean maybe. By "win" I mostly mean alive and in some form of higher power. But political decimation via zombies and dragons is totally possible. But it's like he said in recent episode, if they all die in winter then it's all done but if not there's definitely more of the game to play.

[@bridge4]

+BernyBadger for sure. I think people who feel sansa is free of his puppeteering are mistaken

[@BernyBadger]

dbleo yeah most likely. I'm thinking more bookwise. Love him in the books and the actor who plays him in the show but the writing is very hit and miss for him in the show.

[@briannaroudabush358]

BernyBadger This comment aged poorly lol

[@roylxix]

I have a minority opinion on Little Finger. He was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has gained power through intelligence and patience. In actuality, he has caused much fewer deaths than any of the other characters in The Game of Thrones.

[@bridge4]

+G hart think so? He indirectly caused a lot of deaths by starting wars and feuds...

[@italiangamer2030]

Fewer? He literally caused EVERYTHING

[@InanisNihil]

@@italiangamer2030 cant blame him for the actions others take... at the end of the day its just shows that these humans in this show are blood thirsty vengeful imbeciles.. u cant scapegoat littlefinger here... they were all shitty people compared.. what they all believe and followed is exactly what kept the majority of people in shitty living conditions.. generation after generation lived like shit and struggled while the nobles live comfy in their house preaching "morals" and "values" and the poor folk just ate it up.. little finger was a evil shit.. butt what set him in motion was when he almost died over Cat.. when he realized the entire system is shitty unjust and bs where birth dictates who u will live and who u will be... personally i would prefer a "revolution" of the people to over throw monarchies/dictatorships and set up a more proper fair and just system.. butt no one in game of thrones was doing it.. so the order would continue where the average person as good as manpower for war and taxes to keep the nobles on top...again they were eating up the nobles bs which keep them where they were ... this is were u need men/women like littlefinger who have to single handle try to make such a "revolution" happen..

[@noornasri5753]

Bro, he literally caused every death we know of. He started this war.

[@anitelufalemei4200]

To scheme and indirectly cause another’s death is still murder bro. If you want someone to die. And you plan for them to die. And you organise a scheme to have someone killed? Even if you didn’t physically harm anyone. It’s still murder.

[@MercedesJordy]

Wow imagine Littlefinger having a grand master plan for 7 seasons and then when they run out of boom material, he dies

[@MercedesJordy]

Book*

[@TimonDAwesome]

And people are still angry/confused that he can manipulate Arya and Sansa...

[@bridge4]

+TimonDAwesome I hear ya. He was tje games grand masterx followed closely by varys and everyone else light years behind

[@brianmarini1888]

Littlefinger's goal was never power. All he ever wanted was Cait, and when he couldn't have her, he wanted Sansa. All of his machinations surrounded his goal of controlling Sansa. He thought himself a romantic, but was the Westerosi equivalent of a Nice Guy, who only saw her as an object to own instead of a person.

[@darrenfreyauthor]

I wonder what Marjorie would have been like if she became Queen and Cersei was no longer in her way. I wonder if she would still stay the same sweet girl she was, just with the hunger for power or if she would become a monster.

[@bridge4]

Great question. I fear a dark path (at times when nexwssary) led behind the scenes by olenna But the realm would have probably been stable. So a high level view would have probably made margarie out to be a genuine philanthropist and good queen What do you think?

[@darrenfreyauthor]

I believe she would have been a good Queen, but only by appearances. She said herself she was only nice to the children and everybody because she wanted to improve her Public Image. I think she would have been somewhat like Cersei in terms of putting on a royalty worthy stays for the public, but be a stone-cold bitch behind the scenes. I could see her being a bit of a spoiled brat like Daenerys was at times, thinking because of her family name that she should be held above all else oh, but who knows? Maybe she was just manipulating her way to be Queen and then planned on being fair and just.

[@darrenfreyauthor]

One thing's for sure, she played tommen Like A Drum. I mean Joffrey popped a boner for her when she was asking him about the crossbow, but I'm sure he saw past some of her manipulation considering he was a manipulator himself.

[@bridge4]

@@darrenfreyauthor im totally with ya, at least in terms of the show version of her. im not as clear as to who she is in the books, because if im not mistaken, i think she's less in the loop. (i could be wrong though)

[@darrenfreyauthor]

@@bridge4 I haven't read the books but from what I have heard she doesn't have much of a role in it at all and is more in the backdrop then the main story.

[@sujaysannyamath655]

I think he was brilliant in everything except for aming to sit on the throne. Noone, under any circumstances would've accepted him as the king of seven kingdoms- it's just that absurd. He should gone for the metaphorical role of 'king maker' like Tywin did. Power without any crown.

[@georgebrantley776]

He could lead a rebellion just like Robert did. Let the Tyrells and Lannisters war it out over the Faith Militant issue, and then declare them to be awful rulers who go to war at the expense of the common folk, making them cruel leaders. Not to mention, Tommen is illegitimate and the Baratheons are extinct, so there is no immediate bloodline to follow. I suspect he could get away with it, if he has the backing of the Vale, North, and Riverlands. He could promise to marry the daughter of a powerful house, hire mercenaries, and march on KL with a host of 100,000 or more.

[@sujaysannyamath655]

@@georgebrantley776 That's unlikely simply because Westeros gives a lot of importance on titles. And "Bealish" is not a good enough name to claim the seven kingdoms. Even Robert was only hailed king beacuse of his Targaryen ancestry. Why would the North, Dorne or Wastelands even Reach ever bow down to someone with no legitimacy what so ever? Even Targaryen's needed dragons to subdue them. And simply having army, no matter how large, would never be enough for someone without an ounce of heritage or legitimacy.

[@chrismemphis8062]

Why did Joffery try to get Bran killed?

[@slamscaper128]

Little finger was indeed a master of the game. Intelligent, powerful, clever, and willing to do WHATEVER he needed to do in order to get what he wanted. One could argue that he even "won" his feud with Varys, as he got the best of "The Spider" when he found out that one of his girls was spying for Varys and gave her to Joffrey to mutilate with is favorite crossbow. What little finger never figured into his plan was that magic is REAL. He never believed this. Bran used his abilities to see exactly what Petyr did to start a war and not only turn on Ned (which led to his death), but also led to the death of nearly every Stark (even if it was indirectly or through manipulation). This reinforces Varys statement about little finger being one of the most dangerous men in all of Westeros, because he truly was. His intelligence gave him no help by the time Bran was able to see exactly what he had done in every way, not to mention that Sansa herself became clever enough to know that Petyr was scheming once again to have her kill Arya, whom he knew wanted him dead. Lord Baelish really is a very complex character and deserves to be on the list of the most evil and dangerous men in the GoT universe.

[@bridge4]

Hes definitely on that list :))

[@dildoshwaggins9434]

Sansa just needs to reveal the truth about what he did to her aunt to Lord Royce and Robyn Arryn. That should take care of him.

[@bridge4]

+Dildo Shwaggins he.must still have her partly wrapped around his little finger..I'm shocked she hasn't felt comfortable enough at home to start opening up to jon... it's a shame they weren't closer as kids

[@djVOME]

"Alpha Cat" -- That was awesome. Cheers --

[@bridge4]

=)

[@carlosaflorett]

He didn’t killed Joffrey, Olenna did

[@bridge4]

They were both involved in the plan

[@gabrielsilly6950]

You don’t have to declare the war yourself to start one, you just gotta know how to make the roots and let the Kings and queens make a tree of destruction.

[@gabrielsilly6950]

Basically a master of chaos without ever getting his own hands dirty.

[@bridge4]

Definitely a master of the game. I hate this smart, broken bastid lol

[@LovingWhispers1995]

I think that sansa and Arya will murder little finger in whitherfell after that bran told them the truth about little finger. I don’t know but this are just mij predictions 😉

[@chriscreedv2098]

Oooooooooooh i hope he gets a betrayal kill unto himself. Maybe a stray arrow or wild strike from the kid arryn, or jon or somebody honorable convinces him of littfingers betrayal and he's dropped from the moon foot, then roasted mid air by drogon :3

[@bridge4]

+Chris CreedV what a combo!! Lmao. It's really early here. I think I just woke the neighbor with a literal laugh out loud!! Bravo to u, sir!

[@chriscreedv2098]

Glad it made you laugh :P even with the moon door typo and not knowing kid arryn's name :P

[@alanvale101]

I use to spend hours fascinated with listening to these.. BUT season 8 MURDERED it for me..

[@shortstuff780]

vayrs is my favorite.. sadly the show just made him a good guy.. he as littlefinger have ulterior motives. personally I think vayrs is smarter

[@bridge4]

was he much different in the show vs books? i cant recall details. im actually holding off on the "varys gameplay explained" video until i finish a reread. its going slow. im in the middle of ACOK right now but i LOVE varys. not my favorite. davos is. and i like tyrion, too. but im a huge varys fan, so i want to do him right when i make a video like this one about him... nice avatar btw!

[@shortstuff780]

bridge4 haha thanks Yeah he is changed quite a bit. He a master of whispers and master of disguises. Remember in GoT when he is dressed as the jailer and comes to talk to Ned in the red keep? He also dressed as a women while leading tryion in and out of the brothels to meet Shae. He also knows all ins and outs of the whole city, and all the secret doors, this comes into play when he leads Tryion out of the cells doing his trial at the end of asos(I think that's the right novel) using this he leads him through a secret tunnel (disguised as a jailer) right to the tower of the hand, which leads to the assassination of twyin. He also is there when Kevan Lannister and Grand Maester Pycelle are assassited by varys little birds because he felt they could have brought peace back to the realm which Varys didn't want. Overall the show got rid of the mysterious and strangeness of Varys.

[@leonpennings7596]

It would be somehow awesome to see him sit on the throne at the end...

[@bridge4]

+Leon Pennings awesome for whom? Lol

[@leonpennings7596]

For Littlefinger, not the viewers! LOL

[@bridge4]

+Leon Pennings lol oi vay!

[@InanisNihil]

does little finger really want the throne though??? i could be another lie...?! he seems the type to rule from the shadows... id be disappointing if he actually wanted the throne... for one sitting on the throne he becomes a now visible figure!!! that means he may have responsibilities and such place on him that would actually get in the way of how he does things!!! not o mention if he loves and thrives in chaos... him sitting on the throne as sole ruler would bring stability at some point... xb so i dont know!!! i dont buy it... he seems way to ambious to even settle for the highest position

[@lw3646]

I dont think Stannis would have had any use for him and would have set up his own team of advisers. Stannis might even have executed him for involvement in Ned's death and of being doubtful loyalty. Overall though I did find the character confusing. I got that he was sneaky and couldn't be trusted, even when he seemed to be offering help. You could see he was playing characters off against each other but I didn't really know to what end. I'm not sure it was made clear enough that he was benefiting from events, I thought maybe he wanted Ned dead because he loved his wife. He never had a claim to the throne unlike a lot of the main players, nor was he a clear loyal backer of one of them either like Davos or Jorah. I guess he's more like Roose Bolton who's willing to change his support depending on his best interest. The trouble is he just comes off as a bit of an anarchist unless you are paying extremely close attention. I know the show is known for its complex morally ambigious characters but Littlefinger is maybe just a touch too far. Varys is similar to Littlefinger but at least he openly explains his motives and goals by season 5. Littlefinger was just baffling to me watching the series.

[@khandovarbalest1369]

Season 7 was the middlefinger against Littlefinger badum tss

[@darthbricksempire3606]

And it all helped Varys’s plan. Varys too wanted the war, and a split Westeros for Aegon/Dany to arrive and reclaim Westeros. Littlefinger expected that he could do all this, and then end up climbing the throne. However, he was just helping Varys. Littlefingr weakened Westeros for Aegon (In the show it’s of course Dany) to take the throne.

[@chief8268]

Game of thrones seasons 7 and 8 needs a reshoot lol.

[@ianvera4299]

nah lol

[@warmonger9100]

You have to admire little finder's play. He becomes one of the most powerful Lord's, in a matter of a couple years. I ask myself, why does little finger, not stop and wait, after he secures the Vale? Maybe he does in the books and makes a play to kill, John. Then secure the North by marrying Sansa to Robert or himself. I hate the character but love him at the same time.

[@bridge4]

I hate him, but love his character too. Same way I feEl about tywin

[@bridge4]

And show Ramsey

[@MariaSCarr]

SPOILERS for those who have not watched up to the end of season 7. Seriously, stop reading NOW..... Not about Littlefinger...but this video triggered a possibility in my mind! Since Tyrion ALWAYS claims to "never bet against his family", he could be playing us! When he met with Cersei in King's Landing, he may have reassured her that he will betray Dany! HE will be the one to betray her, not Varys!!!!!

[@raskells]

One item that I feel is missing here. If Peter coordinated the killing of John Aryn without the involvement of the Lannister’s then how did he arrange for the mountain to kill John Aryn’s Squire?

[@DahaktheDragon]

I believe he is also responsible for the Robert's rebellion. He is the one that brought in the Sparrows. The sparrows even start in his brothel where they know the head septum is. He also believe he is a sorcerer and may be the "Lord of the Light". Even though he may seem like a minor character in the story and has even less story time in the book I do believe he is the ultimate threat even compared to the white walkers.

[@bridge4]

+donald cook how do u see him causing roberts rebellion? I thought tht started bc mad aerys killed Brandon and Rickard stark...?

[@DahaktheDragon]

Brandon and Rickard had gone there to get Lyanna Stark back. If you have read the story it is highly assumed that Lyanna was "The Laughing Knight" and Rhaegar was tasked with hunting down said night since Aerys had thought her shield was laughing him. Rhaegar then found out it was Lyanna and they fell in love. Littlefinger could easily be the one who told the lie that Lyanna was kidnapped and not that she ran away with Rhaegar. This was his first taste of creating chaos in order to capitalize on the ashes. It's my theory any way. I can see next season Arya or Sansa killing Littlefinger and the last scene will be Melisandre bringing him back to life and saying "Welcome back my Lord."

[@bridge4]

+donald cook lol.whoa. why would mel brings LF back tho?

[@danfinger]

@3:42 "Joffery hired someone to kill Bran" ?? You mean little finger?

[@bridge4]

+dan finger ha. I think joffrey. But in a way, u read my mind. I spent the last two days working on a video to correct that mistake. It was never confirmed to be joffrey. The case for littlefinger is pretty strong, too. The biggest whole is how he coordinated it, assuming he was in kingslanding. I think it was joffrey, but I haven't wrote littlefinger off either. There's def a chance it was him Thank u for pointing it out btw :) I wouldve given u a shoutout in the video I just posted if u had said that yesterday. But either way, thank u!

[@danfinger]

+bridge4. All good. Just watched that vid "Who sent the assassin" you posted. I personally don't see Joff being that adept at 'the game'. His character, while cruel, wasn't really playing the game of thrones that way. If he had truly been playing, he wouldn't have had Ned executed, wouldn't have thrown Selmy off the King's Guard etc. He just wanted to be a sadistic c*nt. No tactical play in that. Also, if Joff were to have had anyone killed, it would have been Aria for basically pantsing him by disarming him and tossing his sword in the river. Anyway, really liking your series, Sub'd and thumbed! Thanks!

[@bridge4]

+dan finger i hear ya on the sadistic part. I should be added that in. But I think it was a combination of wanting to impress his father and being a sick, twisted person The reason I say that is bc George lays out hints in his words. So the dialogue exchange that happened between Jamie and cersei points to that being the true cause. Oh! Just remembered something. I had meant to research this and layer it into the view but I forgot. Whoops ...while researching this,I saw someone on a forum somewhere mention that George rr martin had said the answer is in book 3 (ASOS). I never found that interview of George to confirm that line, but if it's true, it strengthens the argument (1) that there's a reason beyond just being sadistic and (2) that it was joffrey based off that convo between jaime and Cat (based off process of eliminating, since there aren't any other clear references to the assassination attempt) Buttt, with all that said. U might be right as well. Joffrey was literally a monster. Who knows what went through his sick head lol Thanks for sharing!

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

Varys is more dangerous than Littlefinger and he is the one helping invading savages into the country, in Season 6 as in Season 1.

[@bridge4]

when u say savages, are u referring to the Dothraki?

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

Yes, absolutely. People coming to kill, rape, enslave and destroy for the fun of it, as Drogo claimed in S1E07 before his ecstatic wife who looked so in love with the whole thing.

[@bridge4]

+Leo of Red Keep think they all brought their horses? They must have, right?

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

We saw horses inside the ships in the S6 finale.

[@bridge4]

+Leo of Red Keep yeh but do u think there's at least 1 for wvwrydithraki screamer?

[@Jew_Gi_Oh]

Littlefinger had as much patience and masterful plotting as Palpatine from Star Wars.

[@kiraaayisiz7178]

*Chaos* *is* *a* *ladder*

[@VivekCNair-jy4ct]

Many people attribute intelligence to Understanding. Western philosophy considers intelligence and understanding as synonymous in nature. But Eastern philosophy rejects this notion. You can say that Baelish was intelligent, but he lacked understanding. The only character in GOT who did everything out of love for a portrait he saw as a kid. Love is not a bad thing, but it eventually takes over your mind. Baelish loved a picture of Catelyn Tully as a kid, the one who loved Brandon. He got attached to that picture so hard that losing a fight against Brandon lost him that beloved picture. Here comes the ambition of reaching the goal of making that picture his again. But that picture is gone, lost somewhere for years. UNTIL, he sees Sansa which is the closest thing to that picture. Because, Catelyn is not that picture anymore. But here's the thing Baelish. That picture was never real. That was just an illusion, just as deceptive as power which is another illusion. Nature changes itself every time and human mind fears change and seeks permanence. Which forces humans to seek power due to hidden internal fear. They mistake this hidden internal fear for courage, greed, hate, love etc. And eventually you created Chaos, chaos which covers up your actions. But that picture is still so far away, every time you come closer to it. BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL, IT NEVER WAS.

[@rebadarby4526]

I know he is shady and all but damn...I love a bad boy! Littlefinger is the ONLY character I crush on BIG TIME!!!

[@naomivari9440]

Then he died

[@tiernanwearen8096]

Balish biggest mistake was underestimateing his enemy's

[@persephonehades7547]

I think Sansa will outwit and kill him. It makes sense in a literary way because she'd then be Arya's and Bran's equals. Let me explain. Arya trained to be a Faceless Man by the Waif, even though many believe Jaqen H'ghar was her mentor. Jaqen was only her caretaker in Braavos in the TV show, so the Waif was technically the one training her according to the montages we see. What did Arya do? She killed her mentor. If we look at Bran, we see a similar fate. He's trained by the Three-Eyed Raven, yet he also caused the Three-Eyed Raven's death by allowing the Night King to enter where they were hiding. Since Arya and Bran are her only two siblings left (Jon's only her cousin), then the third edition of a Stark betraying her mentor is bound to happen. Sansa has slowly learned from Littlefinger how to do diplomatic politics, even if she hasn't fully shown that. Littlefinger is the only one who has influenced her in the way the Waif was to Arya and the Three-Eyed Raven was to Bran. The difference is how it's carried out. Arya carried hers out of the want to survive, and Bran carried his out of the want to practice more. Sansa would carry hers out of the want for power in her family, I presume.

[@rullmourn1142]

TY, looking forward to varys. he is the hardest character to figure as to his motives, imo.

[@EDIshames]

This was so well written and explained, thank you so much for making it!!!

[@bridge4]

+EDIshames Thanks for th kind words :)