Brief History of Orgrimmar and Stormwind Changes in WoW

[@OliveOilFan]

You should do the History of Rares and Elites throughout the game

[@fllintvancleff2110]

Up

[@heavyd1144]

Seconded

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

Maybe rare elites.. or fuck it make it hours long

[@Ivan_Ooze]

Great idea

[@murilommeirelles9315]

yea that would be super interesting

[@Joe_Potts]

In BFA, the Stormwind Harbor had rows of dead soldiers/coffins along the dock to Northrend. There were even a couple npcs standing in front of one of the coffins. These npcs were a human female sobbing over the coffin, and a human female child who would say something about missing her father when you walked near her. Rather grim, but it really helped show the costs of the war.

[@19Szabolcs91]

The Auction House was added to SW midway through Vanilla (then changed location with Cata). Originally only Ironforge had an AH.

[@dfuher968]

Yeah, thats why back in Vanilla, we were all hanging out in IF. Adding the Auction House in SW was really the beginning of a slow death of IF society. Little by little, especially with ZG coming out, ppl didnt go to IF to flex and show off their new loot, everything and everyone centered on SW instead. I still have good memories of IF tho 😀

[@Sanguivore]

@@dfuher968 Still to this day I massively prefer Ironforge. The atmosphere is just too good!

[@supabass4003]

My first character ever was a gnome warrior, I'll never forget the first time walking up into iron forge suddenly seeing all these other alliance players running around inside, it was crazy! I then took the subway to Stormwind which was pretty quiet(no AH at launch), I ended up in Westfall and just kept dying to Defias so I rerolled to horde!

[@LilianOrchard]

5:30 - It's extremely unlikely that Arthas has a grave in Stormwind. While Alliance players like to imagine that Arthas was viewed as a good person before Frostmourne, it's only ever been Jaina, Uther and Muradin who believed that. The rest of Azeroth, including the Alliance leadership, views Arthas with even more disdain than they view Garrosh, Gul'dan or the Legion combined. Honoring Arthas would have been widely unpopular with everyone, and the only possible reason Varian would have ever considered doing it would be to spite the Forsaken. Arthas being viewed tragically and respected in death is fanon. It's never been something the story has reinforced outside of his three former friends. Even his mementos like Jaina's locket that he keeps in ICC are very deliberately undercut by there also being a vial of Sylvanas' blood next to it. For all their disgusting decisions, the writers (even blonde paladin simp Golden) have generally never gone away from the idea that Arthas was a complete bastard.

[@XochiCh]

There is a Gravemarker that has no name in the Graveyard, that is believed to be Arthas' final resting place, no ceremony, no mourning, nothing, which invalidates the point of people not wanting him there, since they dont know he is in there. Also, Varian and Arthas were really good friends prior to Arthas's fall, as Varian lived as a guest in Lordaeron after the fall of Stormwind, they considered each other like brothers, It would've made sense for Varian to want to bury his brother in his city.

[@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332]

Arthas was viewed as a good person before Frostmourne though, have you played WCIII ? He was loved by his people.

[@LukeSky2207]

@@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332 in Lordaeron, at the time? Sure. But you could ask their relatives in Stormwind how they feel nowadays, and in some cases these people themselves in Tirisfal too.

[@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332]

@@LukeSky2207 You don't know what "at the time" means ?

[@voidwalker3591]

Varian and Arthas were childhood friends, which is what makes the connection possible. We also don't know what happened to Arthas' corpse, and it was interestingly absent by the Edge of Night short story after the events of the Fall of the Lich King.

[@Nathanyel]

A minor correction: The Cata portal area in Orgrimmar is the Western Earthshrine, mirroring the Eastern in SW - the Throne of the Elements is in Nagrand (both of them) And a clarification: The Elementium Plate from the Deathwing fight is a fragment of his jaw armor, not a back plate, left on the ground when he's exploded at the end of the Madness encounter. It's the same object we get the loot from.

[@LedosKell]

In Stormwind, I miss the old Command Center and SI7. The Command Center's training courtyard before you enter the building was a fun roleplay spot. But I love literally everything they've added in Wrath and Cata. The docks, the graveyard, the ponds. I just wish they had kept the old Command Center. In Org, I miss the Cleft. It was darker before Cata, it felt like a proper retreat from the heat. In Cata it's brighter and it just isn't as atmospheric. The bank too, I was one of those afk sitters on the bank roof. But my favorite addition has to be the Orgrimmar Skyway. Bringing the zep towers into the city and building upwards? That's cool.

[@Nerobyrne]

This captures my views perfectly

[@Lamsan02]

I remember when they announced the portal room. I was like "uh, ok, whatever". Now I pass through there like 20 times a day lol.

[@malykothedragon]

Actually I'm pretty sure that giant scale of deathwing was in fact a piece of his jaw, on the tip of the chin part, which came from him after defeating not the spine, but maelstrom part of Dragon Soul, at least from me looking at it a lot lol

[@greycat1329]

I always thought so as well. Looks to big and jagged to be from his back

[@lukas8708]

Exacly. That's the part of his jaw armor which you take your loot from after his defeat at Maelstrom.

[@DuckBoiGames]

They really did miss a golden opportunity to make a battleground version of the siege of Orgrimmar. Where 20 or 40 players on each side are fighting to take Orgrimmar. As alliance you would push the horde back into the city till you have managed to kill a large percentage of the NPCs in Orgrimmar. The horde have to try and defend against this attack. This could be an epic BG or just a normal BG

[@sandmasterflex]

Funny joke. Blizzard giving pvp content.

[@DuckBoiGames]

@@sandmasterflex lmao true true

[@luclin92]

They did that the second time in battle for azeroth.

[@Ethan-2001]

I absolutely love this channel

[@jackdowse1246]

Simple request, but I don’t want to take a portal to the dragon isles in the new exp. I wanna take a boat or zeppelin the way people used to get from 1 place to another. Rather than just being ported to the exact point, you can then see the surrounding area, and run to the destination finding little things along the way

[@keonepatterson327]

they literally said in the reveal thing that we aretaking a boat there lol

[@XochiCh]

@@keonepatterson327 Playing Devil's Advocate here, they said we were going to get there via Boat... For the Intro quests, we dont even know if there would be a taxi boat between SW/ORG and the Dragon Isles.

[@myidolgwen359]

@@XochiCh what a waste of a huge harbor stormwind has... and orgrimmar may not have one of its own to house many ships and vessels, bladefist bay is a joke... they have silvermoon... the city should have a HUGE harbor.. zeps be damned

[@Ultra.KSlaya]

unfortunately mages will just capitalize on porting people. there should def be a restriction at the start of the xpac though. considering there will be a AH on the dragon isles

[@Astares9]

@@myidolgwen359 maybe one day if we ever get a silvermoon update to fly in that zone we can get a rebuilt city with a harbor

[@ReachGaming]

Makes me think, if those portals need someone to hold them open then why are other portals in the world have no one holding them up?

[@khansterbeam95]

Maybe because the portal room portals have a lot of traffic? Look at mages- teleporting themselves goes in a flash, but making a portal takes longer and that portal only takes the maximum amount of players in your group, not anyone and everyone. Meeting stones need more people to teleport people too.

[@Hazaak.]

Surprised you never mentioned all the kor'kron that were added during mop, and the black proto dragon outside org

[@laceladybug]

i think an awesome video series could be zones/ dungeons/ raids storylines before and after the cataclysm because they all got changed so much! also love this vid very interesting!

[@LinkenLorko]

You should make a video detailing or ranking how strong each indivual classes are in lore, like showcasing the higher end of whatever that class has achieved and notable persons in it.

[@Malcorpse]

A bit of a correction about org update in cata, the main reason it got changed and updated is bc a lot of it was burned down before deathwing broke out of deepholm bc the elementals were freaking out about deathwing coming back so a lot it had to be rebuilt

[@grumblemore1316]

What really bums me out is how Orgrimmar is currently designed. It's too hodge-podge thrown together. I get that the Horde are "barbarians" but they're not gonna shit in the streets. I wish there was a bit more effort put into making Orgrimmar "lived in" rather than just a bunch of vendors and trainers. Stormwind feels lived in. Stormwind feels strategic too! I really wish they'd revamp Orgrimmar again. Even if 90% of the inhabitants are used to sleeping rough, there still needs to be some effort put into the literal capital of the faction! Why is the portal room in such a vulnerable spot? Why are the other 3 gates so under-developed? Why are there so many areas that can only be reached by flying? The Horde can craft engines of war to rival the Alliance but can't do shit for city building??

[@ACP13.]

> I get that the Horde are "barbarians" but they're not gonna shit in the streets. They literally do that.

[@gmradio2436]

I am surprised that Stormwind is not ankle deep in waste. Orgimmar should be much worse.

[@LilianOrchard]

That would require them to spent more than a few weeks on the Horde cities at all.

[@grumblemore1316]

@@LilianOrchard For me, my "if I had my way with WoW" would have been to have all the major cities revamped for BFA. I'd also have had the expansion split in 3 but that's another story. BFA would have seen Orgrimmar, Thunderbluff and Silvermoon revamped and fortified for the Horde while the Alliance have the Exodar revamped and Gilneas City returned to them.

[@Sanguivore]

This is honestly one of the main reasons I always go back to playing Alliance. Orgrimmar is just so frustratingly-designed compared to Stormwind; and Stormwind has so much more atmosphere and “aliveness.”

[@_agx]

God I love the hiru editing style it’s so good

[@LatiBite]

Thought the Deathwing trophy was the tip of his lower jaw that we blew off at the end of Dragon Soul

[@grit1]

So used to seeing "brief" in the title of like 8 hour videos, thanks for keeping it digestible

[@louis8487]

The dark spear trolls took back their home islands so they didn’t really need as prominent a district in Org anymore. The newly arrived goblins however were homeless and did need a suitable living space. I think that’s more the case than hinting at Garrosh’s heel turn since he was still honorable early in Cata.

[@WikiHL]

Sounds logical

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

Blizzard did a complete 180 with Garrosh in mop and ruined his character forever. He was actually respectable in cata.

[@General12th]

@@EdyGlockenspiel No, the hints were there from the very beginning.

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

@@General12th ..no he was actually a well written and interesting character pre 5.0 when everything he stood for got thrown out the window.

[@General12th]

@@EdyGlockenspiel The things he stood before back in Wrath and Cata as well as during MoP were all the same: bravery, warfare, and glory. His problem is that he got too obsessed with what he stood for and lost sight of everything else that was important to the Horde. His character became more extreme and fanatic. That's why he became a villain. But those traits were always there.

[@borismarkov3586]

your videos usually come out in perfect time for them to snuggle me into sleep. it really calms me down after a long day, keep up the good work!

[@robertvries1]

Great video, cheers mate

[@4rtanx]

Now I want an in depth history of both cities. Of every city to be precise xD

[@cr103]

3:25 it's the scale that flies out of the maelstrom after madness of deathwing that you get the loot from

[@jpmitchell8144]

Pretty sure that's part of Deathwing's jaw, not back plate.

[@Grancigul]

What a great idea for a video

[@ordelian7795]

Legion did not add Allied Races like you claim. Allied Races were added in Battle for Azeroth. Also Warboards have been a thing since Cataclysm, not BFA.

[@yazmorales5067]

Damn nice a new video, thank you man keep them coming

[@Golfbob]

I remember finding the underneath to storm wind back in the day. I never saw anything come of it until the Pandas and the entire area was used for them.

[@Jackpkmn]

I wouldn't say that stormwind's portal room layout is more friendly since its at the top of a winding uhh, not quite staircase but ramp that you can't fly up but have to walk slowly up. Whereas orgrimmar's portal room you can fly into and often make it almost all the way to the portals quickly.

[@RZethusE]

Very well done video!

[@aroundthefur1210]

Really cool video! Thanks for helping to keep the spirit of WoW alive. Even when the game isn't so great, we can still appreciate some of the finer parts of this game.

[@kluasvt828]

What is the soundtrack playing around 3:30? It sounds astonishing

[@SleepySloth2705]

3:26 That's actually a piece of Deathwing's jaw, his chin to be exact 👌🏼

[@harmagedonFR]

the boat for zandalar is on the capital of troll (logic) and that's really cool !

[@tatalsaba]

I'd love to see some more updates to the faction capitols in-game to represent the new additions to the factions, and it's possible to expand either capitol, since they're both in mountainous regions, though Stormwind is pretty enormous as is.

[@thecount2629]

Would be nice if the other major cities got revamped or at least some updates. A statue of Carine or something in Thunder Bluff.

[@twiz476]

I’ve enjoyed your videos ever since WOD, and throughout the years the integrity and quality of the channels content has remained the same/improved. Thank you for the hours of entertainment I’ve got from your videos.

[@js117595productions]

whats the name of the background music used in your videos?, its always so calming to listen to when watching your videos

[@LightSchiffer]

7:28 "The Pandaren have a pet PANADA?"

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

I still find it a shame that allied race npcs or folks that have lost their capital are only to be seen near the embassy or if they have their starting point in the city itself, only at that particular point. I would like if the cities would be redesigned to reflect how various races have settled in the faction. My idea would be like that. Orgrimmar: Orcs, Tauren and Trolls have their respective districts already. Additionaly near the river and lake you could have Highmountain Tauren from the Rivermane tribe building some of their tents and some Zandalari huts in the Troll district. Assuming the Forsaken don`t take their capital back, they could make their home in the Cleft of Shadows (or even the parts Garrosh built) as a temporary Undercity. Since Bloodelves and Nightborne still have their capitals, the only change would be propably some more NPCs near the portal area and one or two of their tents and canopies in the Valley of Strength as a "more sophisticated place in a city of brutes". The Goblins could move into the long alley in the Valley of Honor leading to the Gate to Azshara. Since their capital of Bilgewater harbour is located there it would make sense for them to set up shop there. With propably a small area with 2-3 demolishers for the Twilight Highlands pre-quest. The Pandaren would move their place near the Embassy (since it is the place where Ji Firepaw is hanging out now.) and set up some more tents, small shrines etc. Additionaly to the Rivermane near the rivers i would also place an encampment and an eagle roost of the Skyhorn tribe on the central plateau between the flight master and the point where you can jump down to the Valley of Wisdom. The Mag`har would also move up to the central plateau and build a district with their traditional buildings up there. Seriously that thing has so much empty space.... Even the demon hunters could expand their little encampment from the legion pre-event and the death knights could make one of their small camps from WotlK there. And last but not least the Vulpera. The Vulpera would make their central base camp at the place where the Pandaren are now and additionaly set up smaller camps near the gates for a last check of supplies, befitting their nomadic nature. Now to Stormwind: Humans are a no brainer and dwarves and gnomes share the Dwarven district, so no biggies here. Assuming Teldrassil doesn`t regrow/heal at some point i would say that the Night elves turn the farmland they are right now into a small grove of their own with moonwells and all. The Worgen would primarly make the Old City their district due to it propably reminding them most of the Gilnean capital. Since the Exodar is still intact i would just add more Draenei npcs to both the harbour and the cathedral district. Same goes for the Lightforged Draenei with propably a part of the harbour dedicated to them as a small place, where they can practice their war preparations. Pandaren would also move closer to the embassy for the same reasons as in Orgrimmar. Though propably they would stick closer to the river for their turtles. Void Elves could make some of their quarters in the Mage District. Dark Iron Dwarves and Mechagnomes would make themselves at home in the Deeprun Tram, the Dark Irons near the Brawlers Guild and the Mechagnomes near the Tram. Seriously the Tram is also heavily underutilized. Kul Tirans would appropriately stick to the harbour. Maybe they would rebuild the harbour into a full-blown harbour district with their own tavern/bar and market. Just my two cents. It will propably never happen, but hey, we can dream....

[@steampunkpixie2643]

The portals to Darnasus and Undercity where added in Cata.

[@konata8657]

was curious, what's the last song you use in the background music. It was very pretty and would love to listen to it

[@matthewbrune5490]

TBH, the Dracthyr _could_ fit for the Bronze Dragon part due to their powerset

[@corksterx1]

I love your videos so much :)

[@PREPFORIT]

Thank You.

[@spooky_zen]

mop and legion were so good

[@ShiftHappens]

More like this please :D

[@MoosePolo]

Orgrimmar needs a harbor that connects to the interior of the city

[@WenderPottery]

Stormwind has buttresses, so I'm gonna take this opportunity to say Butt lore is the best lore, especially when it's of the flying variety

[@magicmanscott40k]

Wow. I quit after I reached level 70. Didn't know about a lot of this. Almost makes me want to play again

[@alicekittleson4088]

Ah, Hiru, the content we don't deserve but that we get anyway.

[@apoloWND]

LORE VIDEO!! YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

[@silverhand8744]

Wrath pre patch was so fun

[@alwaysangry2232]

weather effects, i also remember day and night

[@MrGoesBoom]

So haven't played since just before Shadowlands ( mostly choice, partly money ), the weather effects sound like a great addition, but something I'm wondering is if they ever brought back the day/night cycle?

[@crazymonkey334]

day night cycle is based off server time I believe.

[@MrGoesBoom]

@@crazymonkey334 yes, but in classic it actually got dark and lighting was different...last time I played it got a little ( and I mean little ) dimmer and that was it. So I wanna know if it actually seems like night in game and not just a slight dimming and oh you can see the moons in the sky

[@C7Zerotoxins]

@@MrGoesBoom you still get night time with the moon in the sky, but it doesnt get as dark as it used to, however there is an item called potion of darkness or some such that will return to dark nights. also heavily depends on the zone your in.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

The day night cycle has never left, but a long time ago I think Wotlk they made night not as dark, cause people who played at night complained constantly about how much harder it was to see.

[@19Szabolcs91]

@@RazanaArcclaw Yeah and then they brought back the darkness for BFA (but not retroactively) to my dismay.

[@jessejames7116]

this was great. perhaps you could do a similar video for undercity / ironforge :)

[@The-Great-Penguin]

Imagine some horde getting their shit mixed by a baker in stormwind because of the world buff

[@Rastasolo188]

what happen to the portals if u kill bouth npc casting them

[@joerizant7446]

Aesome!

[@Makem12]

What about the other cities?

[@shanes8004]

The Deathwing part is from his jaw.

[@stephenp8232]

Org area removed cause I loved to death grip people in the fire and chain cc people. I liked that arena they really should have kept environmental hazards or add a new arena/skirmishes that have some.... make the water in the UC one do poison damage etc.

[@danielhayden8674]

Is it just me, or back in Vanilla did most alliance people afk in Ironforge instead? Was it just my server? SW was pretty dead, but rogues opening lockboxes on the bridge, people dueling out front and running covert tours to the airport kept IF hoppin

[@juselara02]

I think the old Orgrimmar was kind of better. This one is just too aggresive, very suited during the Garrosh times.

[@Jmr98]

The prepatch for wrath was fucking insane they where everywhrre

[@nesto2947]

Warriors can equip staffs right?

[@doncorleone1720]

Yes

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I genuinely think World of Warcraft is the only game where its KZbinrs and their Content is more entertaining than the actual game

[@codysnowden231]

Same lol. I haven't played in a long ass time but I still love watching videos. I miss old wow.

[@ts45wF3]

I don't think those who hold the portals have any significance rather than flavour for that expention.

[@rebeccaschade3987]

I don't think the bronze dragons who hold open the portals are in the form of blood elves, but rather high elves.

[@anthonyzarfati3579]

Well are there eyes green or blue

[@streetguru9350]

No outro? ;_;

[@TommyDaGreatest]

Makes sense to not have the Brokers in the portal room. They are dead. They shouldn't be in the living world at all.

[@ChinnuWoW]

“The Nightborne led by Thurissura”??

[@katm8128]

I love your content

[@comical4609]

The biggest change is that Stormwind used to have players running around in it.

[@harmagedonFR]

should have this with ALL CAPITAL CITY

[@mattalan6618]

why? only these 2 cites are the main hubs to their respected factions

[@donglong6544]

4:44 lmao pandarens in cata

[@RikkaFresh]

I thought the defias just werent paid for their work.

[@VictusPrime]

How come the horde didn't do anything with Stormwind after conquering it after the second war? Like they just conquered the city and then peaced it? Surely they could've used the existing infrastructure and resources and turned it into one of their own cities?

[@RazanaArcclaw]

You should watch last week's video!

[@pirategekblackbeak6341]

It's at the end of the First War that Stormwind gets sacked by the Old Horde, not the Second War because that's when Stormwind gets reclaimed.

[@brandoncastellano1858]

Fun video. History of Racial leaders?

[@josephmort4039]

Don't call Stormwind the Alliance hub. The Alliance hub was Ironforge until Cataclysm. The only reason anyone went to Stormwind before then was to buy PVP gear.

[@phoenix0401]

I remember my first entrance in Orgrimmar like it was yesterday. The Cata changes really ruined it.

[@pokeylope6108]

Orgrimmar is too Warlike, never really liked the revamp. I don't know just my opinion. Feel like it could be larger and make the cayon its built in feel bigger. Seige of Orgirmmar raid's expansion of Org could be used to make it make sense.

[@Astares9]

havent watched the video yet but lemme tell you, as someone who plays on Moon Guard (laugh at me idc) the city of Stormwind has _never felt so alive_ with how many people are doing things in each corner o the city. on wyrmrest accord however, all the horde do is SIT IN ONE SPOT IN ORGRIMMAR AND JUST STAND THERE... it's so bad, why do Horde RPers suck??

[@jaredkinneyjr]

The 2008 Stormwind WotLK change really surprised me & didn't much care for the change that xpansion & how if changed the feel of the game. The game was never the same after October 2008. Especially after all the Store additions Heirlooms & such... Fuck Activision Blizzard. I hate so much even giving them $15 / month to play Classic but I have to in order to play. Azamous said a fresh Classic is coming this year maybe...?

[@shadowfan115]

I mean we can technically play bronze dragons in dragon isles hahaha

[@GeminiWoods]

Haven't played WoW since the end of Cata, didn't like the direction the game was going. However I did enjoy all the graphical updates they did over the years. This video was cool because I've never seen the cities after Cata. If I could get Burning Crusade server with all the updated textures/models and shaders, I'd play it.

[@joshmallon]

Undercity best city, compact and easy to navigate. Orgrimmar is a convoluted mess. Stormwind is also a mess.

[@progunantilife4777]

TFW pandaren have panda pets

[@Julian-mc2lk]

Check me out guys, I'm a memberrrr now!! 😏😏😂

[@principetnomusic]

Trans Stormwind

[@kekwkekw5117]

Watching to see if this talks about them just randomly dumping a ton of black people in stormwind.

[@thedoctor6798]

this is so weird, like ur another person... also I'm from yugioh comunity

[@cristhianmlr]

Plural and singular for tauren, or any other race which ends in "en", is the same word.

[@Kingliger]

I'm so tired of how you pronounce "saur" its "SAHR-fang" not "sour"

[@Connor-bp9nu]

No one cares bro

[@General12th]

hirumaredx's channel is full of mispronunciations and misspellings. But he and his editors don't seem to care. From a cost/benefit analysis, they figure the time spent fixing those errors could be better spent making more videos. Yes, it's unprofessional. But it's also profitable. And thus there is no reason to change.

[@principetnomusic]

​@@General12th I thought Hiru simply has dyslexia.

[@General12th]

@@principetnomusic His editor presumably doesn't.

[@Ryan-sn3uo]

@@General12th At this point it might as well be running gag, because I've already grown desensitized to it.

[@meltingatom]

In the beginning stormwind was created. The game decayed from there.

[@cesarporras7050]

first one

[@icehGG]

I hate changes on orgrimmar since cata Since then i only play WOTLK

[@joziahcladoosby6024]

1st