BRINGER OF THE END TIMES - Archaon vs. Lizardmen - Immortal Empires - Total War Warhammer 3

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Rubber Duck of War - kzbin.info/door/2Ar9ggXnOj3SkNv9uC7TiAvideos

[@Icewolfnector]

Just wondering, but did they change the mass of Archaon or the Chaos Knights now that they are bigger?

[@MidnightBlackandVictoria]

I wanted to bring something I saw in a trailer to your attention while its still early enough to speak up and have CA fix it.... in the recent Azazel trailer/Lets play , and while I may be concerned for no reason as this is early access of course, but in case it IS an oversight, I thought I would tell others so maybe we can reach the devs and keep them from making a mistake that would upset people after the hype dies down. In the trailer, the guy demonstrates giving a mark to a hero, making him a hero of Slaanesh. I must say, the transformation looks INCREDIBLE! CA have REALLY outdone themselves this time, but there IS a problem, and knowing chaos players from both RL and forum, I can say with certainty that its one that won't go over well once the hype dust settles..... In eighth edition (and ALL previous editions) Chaos Lords and hero's have access to Chaos steeds, Manticores, Chaos Dragons, Chariots, war shrines, and when marked, the daemon mount of their patron. But in the demonstration, when his skill tree changed, he LOST the option for manticore when he became a Slaanesh marked hero. I also noticed that the Chaos Lords ALSO lost all but the steed, War shrine, and Daemon Mount once marked. This is both non-Lore accurate, AND non-8th edition TT accurate! They are supposed to ADD the mount of their patron God to their options, NOT lose two incredible flying monster options for one daemon mount. This makes the change a cosmetic upgrade and a gameplay downgrade for those who wanted to go with a Manticore (or my favorite beast-mount, the Chaos Dragon. They are already in the game, they DONT need to reskin these mounts either (though it would be fun if they did, its not necessary) but they SHOULD NOT trade those mounts in when marked! The only reason they should ever have those taken from them is upon ascension to Daemon hood. Watch the trailer closely and you'll see....And mention it to the devs somewhere they can see it while its still early enough to fix the issue (without waiting another year for an update) as its probably a minor fix. They have been fantastic throughout this series and DO listen if enough people speak up! Thanks for reading!

[@lookslikeitisme]

Quack!

[@MidnightBlackandVictoria]

They are doing an incredible job with the WoC....Better than I could have hoped! I LOVE how much bigger the WOC are. Very lore-accurate....I was wondering, is Sigvald larger now too?

[@SouthernGuy5423]

Isn't this just a terrible match up? Lizard men without a healer vs. Chaos? That seems like a total joke!

[@deadlyydude5522]

Really cool to see CA has gone back and redone some of the older factions. Archaon looks so cool now with his new steed

[@putterchuangpongpun7540]

How… immortal empires hasn’t even come out or it’s part of warhammer 3

[@snakeronvlad5395]

@@putterchuangpongpun7540 you don't think Archaon's new steed looks good?

[@alaa6532]

it's not really redone if the content is only accessible for those who buy tww3. CA still screwing over tww1 players

[@MidnightBlackandVictoria]

@@putterchuangpongpun7540 They have been previewing Immortal Empires since last week all over KZbin. Check them out, as alot of older factions got changes (Not just Chaos, though this is the chaos rework so they got the most). Vampires got some good new features, as did the Empire. Look the vids up. Did you watch this video before you posted? You HAD to notice that the donkey's of Chaos are gone, and the steeds of hell are finally here! Chaos looks bigger now, and more bad ass than ever, and Archaons steed is incredible! Check it out. These are early access builds they are playing of Immortal Empires. Alot of content creators got a battles only EA build of it.... The rest of us get it on Aug 23. Thats what they are referring to.

[@deadlyydude5522]

@@putterchuangpongpun7540 the content creators already have access to battles for immortal empires. The rest of us have to wait until August

[@jonathankelly4222]

I think I’m more geeked about this DLC than I was TW3’s launch, and even then, it’s more for the chaos rework than IE. Don’t get me wrong, I want IE, but a good chaos campaign, with a badass daemon prince system is what I REALLY want.

[@MelkorBauglir25]

I am with you on this matter. Well said

[@Viper40758]

I cant agree more

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

As someone who always preferred the mortal side of chaos in fantasy, I gotta say that this looks really good. To see these insanely powerful characters and elite warriors get the rework they deserve brings a smile to ma face.

[@MidnightBlackandVictoria]

Indeed. This is the Chaos we wanted so long ago....Hard to believe its finally almost here! Now, there is only one more Chaos Character I am hoping for before its over (My favorite) and then this game becomes a dream come true! 3 of my favorites are already in (Valkia w/this coming DLC , Archaon Taurox)....One more Khorne Lord to go, and I will be content! He is an older Lord (Like Azazel, but popular enough with a cult following, and unique enough with his one-of-a-kind mount that he SHOULD make his debut eventually!

[@00yiggdrasill00]

As a lover of the order races I wholeheartedly agree. It's not much fun having nothing much to fight.

[@officeraquos5511]

Everyone here: Incredible new overhaul to Chaos, oh mu gah. Me: ... Lizardmen don't rampage across all units? You mean... I can play my army without the computer playing my entire army for me in the worst way possible? ...... Yeeeeees!

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

It applies to the DE's cold one knights too!

[@Shimatzu95]

@@LuzikArbuzik77 this may be even more impactfull

[@officeraquos5511]

Hmm, much as I do appreciate it, given I just don't like the Rampage function in general, it feels less appropriate to give that change to Druchii Cold Ones as well. Saurus have a mutual understanding and communication with their Cold Ones, while the Dark Elves need to drug and torment their Cold One mutants to get them to behave, before then lathering in a vile body oil just so they seem too unappetizing to eat. Function wise I can appreciate it, but I feel from a thematic standpoint I would much prefer Dark Elf Cold Ones still rampage.

[@starslayer8390]

@@officeraquos5511 I would much rather have cold one knights not completely suck. If sacrifices need to be made to achieve this, so be it.

[@officeraquos5511]

@@starslayer8390 And I agree, I do understand this is the far better option function wise. You just wouldn't hear me complain too badly if it weren't the case. XD

[@pjadtron9415]

That Shaggoth looks amazing, they've changed it's skin tone and also given it lightning which is a +1 from me.

[@Indigoism96]

All of the Chaos bois look magnificent.

[@dhmossedios2194]

Just wait till we see papa Nurgles' boys.

[@gannonpatton2858]

We of little faith! From the start, you said this game was going to grow into something amazing, like the previous two. With everything in development now, this will truly be epic for years to come.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

To think this is only the first DLC/ faction update for WH3 and it's by far the best of the series thusfar. Can't wait to see what the next few years will bring to this game.

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

Let's not get too excited until player numbers of IE officially surpass peak WH2

[@aimannorzahariwod]

@@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149 player numbers shouldn't impact those still enjoying the game...

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

@@aimannorzahariwod You do realize that CA will drop the game about 5 seconds after people stop playing (and buying new DLC)? No more new content and the game stagnates. Not to mention MP oriented part of the community, for them, player numbers affect the enjoyment of the game directly.

[@damo9961]

@@aimannorzahariwod Player numbers mean EXACTLY that people are enjoying the game. EXACTLY that lol

[@Archer-1453]

First campaign I played in a Warhammer TW title was Kroq Gar. I’m so incredibly excited to play a Lizardmen campaign where Chaos feels like a cool threat as opposed to pesky task! This just built the hype

[@gasterblaster9817]

Same, especially now that your standard front-line infantry gets stronger as they lose health instead of going feral and ignoring your orders while sprinting ahead of the lines they're supposed to be holding

[@Archer-1453]

@@gasterblaster9817 let me tell you, I’ve always had a soft spot for lizard-people (thanks Elder Scrolls) but the pre-Gor-Rok cold-blood mechanic was PAINFUL. Mechanically, LM are pretty boring if not balanced, but boy howdy the rampage mechanic in battle turned me away from multiplayer for years cause I couldn’t functionally play my favourite faction without hard-core micro

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

I really like that new skeletal hand effect on Spirit Leech

[@handleonafridge6828]

Yeah, now I can tell that spirit leech actually happened instead of my spell getting canceled because of a move order or something and never realizing

[@khelgarironfist3301]

It looks a bit too big tho

[@LittleMissGuillotine]

Comedicly predatory monetization aside it's impressive the absolute scale and depth this game can offer

[@jonathankelly4222]

The new spell effects look great IMO. Metal is silver. It’s a level 1 spell. It would be steel, not gold falling from the sky unless you’re Gelt, which would be cool to have his recoloured. 🤔

[@kapitankapital6580]

Eh, metal comes in all sorts of colours. Some metals are grey/silver, but many are not.

[@edwardfontaine7108]

When heated metal glows orange or yellow. The spell is called Searing Doom. Not a fan of the effect personally.

[@ahtuno]

Lore of metal was more about molten effects, pure silver doesnt look very good

[@Kropolis]

@@edwardfontaine7108 I'm sure modders will get to recoloring it eventually

[@worstprofessor895]

It's actually described as a "scintillating spray of sizzling silver slivers" in the 8th edition rulebook. Unsure whether silver describes the metal or the color, but either way the color is more appropriate with the change.

[@Anodal720]

Absolutely love the Flobots "Handlebars" rendition

[@spartnmarcen5110]

Can we just talk about how fantastic and on point the running animations are for the Umbral Tide salamanders?

[@luxzhoori]

I loooooove archaon. Always have and now his animations are soo so so badass! Good work CA and thanks for the showcase, Indy

[@zubdub2506]

Man, this has me so stoked to play my Lizardmen again!

[@ceyes00]

Because of the limited number of people who have the very early access to IE I’ve seen two or more people casting the same game on their channel. Which is interesting cause you can see how much different styles each Multi commentator have.

[@Iantropic-Decay]

Archaon can ride a bike with no handlebars?

[@samimermer1982]

Having also given some love to the warhammer 1 factions I can now see why it has taken so long for immortal empires.

[@ReaperCaliber]

Doubt he's even seen a platypus or wrote a comic book either.

[@KartarNighthawk]

Good to see Undivided Chosen still kicking ass. With the monogod units incoming I've been a bit concerned about them losing their place, so seeing them at the top of their game here is excellent.

[@123rubbeldiekatz123]

"Tons of damage" Bro i didnt even see those saurus warriors itch xD

[@eomat]

I love the new shiny lighting on armour. Can’t wait to see the High Elves in this lighting. The literally will be the glittering host.

[@fcztyuo876b6]

It’s almost too much. I thought it was a glitch. Can’t even see your units 🫠

[@howitzer551]

Yo Indy, just watched the Azazel let's play CA put out today, you were not kidding about his animations. The short trailer did not do him justice. While I am still not 100% on the Chadzazel look (mostly his kind of goofy face) his animations are just excellent!

[@milkandcookiesTW]

yeah he looks sick!

[@trainheartnet5657]

Archaon's motivation for burning all buildings: His P.E.K.K.A. helmet won't fit through doors.

[@Jarulf4477]

I'm eally glad that CA listened to much of what the community had to say and that youtubers like you or Dahv focused that so well. Thx

[@NatesMiniatures]

What a great battle, so many ups and downs. I honestly could not see who was going to win that one.

[@Shaldier]

Had to pause the video after 15 seconds and just double-check that that was Handlebars by Flobots you were riffing on. Colour me pleasantly surprised

[@kapitankapital6580]

Chaos vs Lizardmen is always iconic

[@fuzzygremlin88]

Just love the commentaries my dude! Keep up the steller replays and info videos! 😃

[@SupremeSanda]

Can't wait to see the duel between Archaon and Skarbrand

[@NoNeedNoGreed]

You thought you could drop some Flobots - Handlebar lyrics in there and I wouldn't notice? You underestimate my power

[@rotschadel3574]

When i saw all the expensive units on the chaos side i expected a small elite army. But then you zoomed out and they seemed as wide as the lizardmen, who did not whent elite&expensive O_o Perheaps i am overestimating the prize of chosen, chaggoths and archeon?

[@True_Terror_Tales]

the problem with elite units in competitive content like this is that very few are stronger than two mid tier units combined, but they cost as much (or more) as two mid tier units combined

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

What do you mean lizardmen did not went elite and expensive? Stegadon, salamanders RoR, Ark of Sotek, Ancient Kroxigor and a lot of strong lizardmen infatry aren't the single most powerful units that this faction can field, but together they aren't cheap either.

[@alexanderf8451]

Not taking any cavalry at all was a big mistake for the Lizards.

[@jacksmith3148]

While something fast would be nice, Lizardmen cavalry is all very mediocre for their cost. Unless they've buffed their Speed (which I haven't heard of yet) they couldn't catch Chaos Knights, and couldn't handle them if they could, and they would cost way too much to just throw away to damage Chaos Knights.

[@Blemmo]

Man those new spells are so nice looking. It could be a way to get newer players into multiplayer, keeping track what happens

[@princeowiredu2022]

my god what a battle. the micro on this one was insane. awesome battlee!

[@NocturnalForge]

I love that you started with a Flobots reference, that made me happy LMAO

[@theprofessor6898]

Always bringing the throwbacks with those intros

[@Murasame13]

Man warhammer 3 looks so good. I'm glad the devs are listening and working!

[@Sleepingdruid37]

This was an awesome match! The power of that final chaos engage shifted the bar from Lizard favor to theirs. Also saw your Kairos vs Imrik match with Enticity. Holy shit that army is scary, but those were some hot blue fires.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

yeah High Elves is just not a fun matchup for Tzeentch until they get their Chaos Warriors/Chosen/Halberds lol. We kinda knew going into that it would be lopsided, killing Imrik or Dragon Princes is EXTREMELY difficult with their roster as it stands. But thats fine because they absolutely dominate Wood Elves and some other factions atm

[@Sleepingdruid37]

@@milkandcookiesTW Oohhh damn yeah; a lot of WE roster with magic attacks are weak to fire :0 And I’m guessing bubbles can soak up WE ammo pretty good too.

[@azagorod8479]

Damn, those Skullcrushers did a fantastic job.

[@CrazyDutch91]

That Shaggoth killing the slamanders near the end was brutal. The hits really felt like they had impact.

[@johannesjrgensen440]

All we need is blood for the extremely starved bloodgod now. Cmon august!

[@DavidAJBoyle]

The mighty and high into was a nice touch.

[@squidtugboat3689]

best match i have seen in a while. That clutch by the end was crazy

[@enezjaniw493]

Cretaceous Avengers sounds like a cartoon I want to watch!

[@nickg8100]

Can’t wait til Lizardmen get the tuning / buff they deserve.

[@lordpappanqui]

X2

[@kraviits6647]

This low-key "handlebars" reference at the beginning

[@patximartel]

New Archaon looks really good. My man lastly changed that pony for a war horse.

[@joeb1955]

It's always felt weird that the only thing you get from paying the premium for Chosen is just their stats. They have no traits. No resistances, charge defense, immune to psychology, nothing. It seems wrong for a unit that costs so much to have no additional benefits.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Chosen cost something like 1400-1500 depending on the variant. This unit here got over 1800. They are good enough, sometimes unit doesn't need anything flashy to be effective.

[@joeb1955]

@@knell18897 See, base Chaos warriors have immune to psyche, but cost about half. Without Archaon and his item that gives immune to psyche in an AoE, you can lose them to a terror bomb with a big SEM. It just feels like with the addition of marked units for undivided they should bump down the cost of regular chosen, or at least give them immune to psyche by default like base chaos warriors.

[@joeb1955]

@@LuzikArbuzik77 In game 2 they barely ever got their value back because of how easy they were to shoot down or terror route. In game 3 I can see them being good against demon factions, but against Nurgle they're a liability because the festering stooges have terror, so without taking Archaon with his item for the AoE immune to psyche you can't use chosen to fight them. Cathay and Kislev will just shoot them to death before they get into combat.

[@Dovah21]

Damn, I was going to do a Valkia campaign but seeing how awesome Archaon is now...

[@SpookSkellington]

Dorgar went to the same barber as Dawi Slayers i see. He pulls it off though damn.

[@Nemesiz00]

Holy smokes. I've been watching a lot of new battles for a few days now but this one is just a cherry on top. Best battle ever. Well played

[@timconrad2922]

Great analysis on this match, Indy.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

thanks Tim glad you enjoyed!

[@SmegmaEnjoyer_OFFICIAL]

Loving the new fights, keep up the great work my dude

[@joshyjosh3772]

This guy is telling the entire stats of the units just by looking at them, everyone is not noticing this but it is hella impressive what an expert!

[@acmaiden5236]

most MP veteran knows vaguely the stats of every units. It's half the game after all

[@griffinmckenzie7203]

He's not narrating the game as it happens, bro. It's not a horribly hard thing to write a script for a replay.

[@acmaiden5236]

@@griffinmckenzie7203 yet most TW youtubers don't bother, indypride does

[@zacharyjackson1829]

I think it was a mistake to use those Skullsmashers for clearing out skink chaff. Had you brought them into the middle before it collapsed and used them to pin the dinos in place Archeon and the Shaggoth could have put the beat down

[@patximartel]

To be fair, skinks with javelins get really cost effective if they use their ammo. Cutting them up early is a good call.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

@@patximartel cutting them off is a good idea, but use horsemen to do that, not skullsmashers. Skullsmashers were taken because they have antilarge and armor piercing, both of which is wasted on skinks while the dinos kicked the rest of his army's ass

[@victordaveiro5191]

New primal instinct for the lizardmen is muah chef kiss

[@NWLR-tv]

The post battle report I noticed the flavor text mentions the Monkey Court and the Monkey King, but it also mentions a Tiger Court? Guessing that's also for Ind?

[@martinpetrovaj354]

Still waiting for a pun in the style of "the Umbral Tide has been Umbral tied"

[@nicourrea670]

I am so excited to watch more of your videos going forward

[@peterrehm490]

Now with all the changes Chaos truly feels like Chaos in terms of the Warhammer world. The prior iteration wasn't 1/3 what WH3 Chaos will be after the DLC.

[@jamesd3472]

Would razerdons make sense here for the lizards? I'd have thought the Ap damage could be really crucial

[@WlLDEHlLDE]

They have bad firing arcs is the thing

[@Lumavah]

Probably would've been a better pick, though the Umbral Tide is hard to pass up since they have Stalk and Perfect Vigour. Salamanders are also more ideal against larger targets like cav and Dragon Ogres in general.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

either one can work. Razordons have better AP, Umbral Tide is just a good, versatile unit across the board

[@Shad0wthr0ne]

I'm in love with the new Searing Doom animation. With the old one I could barely tell it apart from Piercing Bolts(possibly because I rarely saw Piercing Bolts get used), but now it has its own distinct sound and style.

[@pmc1727]

My biggest problem with warhammer 3 is that warhammer 2 exists.

[@thomasheidmann932]

you made this really hype !

[@Cornerboy73]

Archaon and Dorghar cut an imposing figure, they look great !

[@platoonmexx9278]

not enough ap from the lizardmen and i think the ancient kroxigor is a lil odd, i wouldnt take an anti inf ap dd as main ap source vs chaos, his basestats are too bad, he s just not landing hits

[@Guaguadeath]

Lol nice Flobots reference there 😂

[@felipegalesi2543]

Do you think we'll see the updated more daemonic/draconic Dorghar for archaon in warhammer 3?

[@RexorInvicta]

Is it just me, or is Dhorgar's texture low res compared to for instance his spikes? Might be a WIP thing. Otherwise, he looks awesome.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

he's a little low res, wouldnt expect it to change though

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Warriors of Chaos have been deploying corn cavalry more often than corn himself

[@Ron1404NL]

Great battle, looking forward to the 23rd of August.

[@bammbalam]

Great match, enjoyed watching that one

[@razav350]

Dropping them Flobot lyrics in the intro 🎵

[@jingojango227]

A Handlebars reference?! Dope

[@MrSicksniperzz]

TIL that Archaon has no handlebars, no handlebars, no handle bars.

[@OkapiHerder]

Archon can ride his Dorghar with no handle bars, no handle bars.

[@Ben-dx2xd]

Those ink black chosen **chef's kiss**

[@ian2372]

Even in WH1 I was an advocate for saying tier one marauders were trash. Save the gold and invest in better troops.

[@TheYuxiaodi]

that skink chief wasnt worth it. A cavalry unit or maybe razordons would have had so much bigger impact. I really like the lizardmens choice in magic though, I just feel it could have been used better.

[@MrSkillcap]

Does the buff to lizardmen primal instincts apply to dark elf cold one riders aswell?

[@brasswing2681]

yes

[@ThijsSchrijnemakers]

Yes mortal, the time if your doom is nigh! Submit to the Ruinous Powers or perish!

[@Visgoth]

The Stegadon appears to have glitched lighting.

[@evanwoodham6296]

And now, time for tabletop to come back

[@Hazlius]

I still miss the Everpony :( hopefully mods will bring it back

[@zacrussell2057]

I dig the Flobots reference.

[@-Triumph]

Skullcrashers need to be tested properly. They gave em bonus vs large but its only 10. 10 is like none actually. Any unit with bonus vs large in the game has between 20 to 30. Also, it always felt weird to me that the chaos warriors wear a cloack and the chosen do not. Normally you give a cloack to your generals/elites to distinguish them from the rest. Though they were going to adress that with the rework. Can not complain tho :p

[@TheBarser]

Maybe they should just make chosen a bit bigger, idk

[@anthonybreach2930]

Cloaks are for keeping people warm and dry - that the Chosen have discarded their cloaks suggests that they no longer need such frippery and comforts now they enjoy the blessing of the Dark Gods

[@NWLR-tv]

Capes are for nerds they'll get wings when they advance to become Demon Princes

[@TheHandofDestiny]

I refer the Chosen looking the way they do

[@ash074]

What we are seeing kind of is the rework man? chosen ain't getting capes

[@masterarash7]

Chaos seems like its so fun to play now!

[@MrGhostly12321]

FIGHT-FIGHT EACHOTHER, AND LEAVE BODIES IN GROUND

[@borgar1765]

this lightning is so much better than WH2's, but metal glinting and the like still need some adjustment

[@PraiseHashut333]

I like how these WoC battles are entirely void of Hellcannons 🤗🥵 the hell-midgets are comingggg❤️

[@QuestionableObject]

Archaon's a proper big boy now

[@TheBarser]

Great Battle. This is what I like to see

[@Kingiron37]

My 2 favorite factions fighting each other look so cool🤩

[@Living_Target]

People are dooming on HE but I wonder if Swordmasters are actually really good vs chaos factions now. Especially with demons and how good elite infantry are right now, but also against warrior front lines

[@ash074]

High elves just don't do well in mp in general and swordmasters were never a core unit they took in most matchups they got a massive buff to martial mastery cause of them doing bad

[@romulandawg8004]

archie on dogar, switchin'' four lanes.. top down screamin...................

[@hankcyrus9776]

Love the handlebar reference

[@levitomlinson5617]

love these videos. it scratches that battle report itch I haven't had since age of sigmar.

[@LaxyDrey]

Nice Handlebars opening !

[@kulik7403]

I missed something, how you guys have access to factions? What do I have to do to play them?

[@jonasschiffers2850]

tbh after the break in the fight around 9:00 I was certian that lizard men will win New chaos warriors look sick