Bringing An End To Race Politics - Coleman Hughes

Coleman Hughes is a writer, author and a podcaster.
The state of race relations in America seemed to be improving for decades, then crashed and burned over the last 5 years. What's going on? Why is everyone so obsessed with race again and how can we move beyond race politics?
Expect to learn why anti-racism is just neo-racism, the difference between being colourblind and actually being racist, why your social class is more important than your ethnicity, whether MeToo hurt women more than helping them, if there is a realistic case for DEI, whether any race-based policies have ever worked and much more...
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00:00 The State of Race in America
04:29 Is This Not a Class Issue?
07:47 America’s Reaction to George Floyd
12:18 The Irony of Defunding the Police
19:57 Racism, Anti-Racism & Neo-Racism
30:18 Why Else Have Races Become More Divided?
33:27 Are People Treating Each Other Worse?
45:38 The Ineffectiveness of Affirmative Action
52:47 How People Respond to Coleman’s Work
56:23 The Inertia of Changing Perspectives
1:02:02 Rising Trends of Revising American History
1:11:10 How Do We Move Forward?
1:14:49 Where to Find Coleman
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[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 The State of Race in America 04:29 Is This Not a Class Issue? 07:47 America’s Reaction to George Floyd 12:18 The Irony of Defunding the Police 19:57 Racism, Anti-Racism & Neo-Racism 30:18 Why Else Have Races Become More Divided? 33:27 Are People Treating Each Other Worse? 45:38 The Ineffectiveness of Affirmative Action 52:47 How People Respond to Coleman’s Work 56:23 The Inertia of Changing Perspectives 1:02:02 Rising Trends of Revising American History 1:11:10 How Do We Move Forward? 1:14:49 Where to Find Coleman

[@byjamie-hillierrubis]

Savage peasants is a term I've come to understand! 😂

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

I absolutely see race, and agree saying your "color blind" sounds stupid. But I deal with people as individuals, not members of a collective. Why? It's just natural I don't think about it. Also I know I don't want to be treated as a member of a group or collective, I want to be treated as an individual, and I think most people want to be treated as individuals. We're all trying to size everyone up. Trying to establish whether or not someone is a threat, or potential enemy, or if someone could be a potential ally or friend. So yes I see race, but I've no real preference based only on it, there are lots of people of my own race who look like a potential threat or enemy. For one example, right or wrong, I'm usually suspect of someone who has a lot of tattoos and or piercings, especially if they have neck or face tattoos and or have things like their nose, cheeks, lips, tongue, or eyebrows pierced, or have those huge disks in their ears. So yes I do make judgements based on appearance. If you put 10 people in a line-up 9 are black, and one is white, but the white guy looks like an outlaw biker, with all different sorts of neck and face tattoos, dressed like he's an extra from the movie Mad Max, I'm going to be more suspicious of him then I am the black guys.

[@junkman713]

Your interview style, connection to your subjects and Indepth research are just brilliant. Thank you very much for tackling the subjects you do.

[@Malignus68]

The backlash to Coleman's reaction to _The Fall of Minneapolis_ wasn't mentioned. Was that a stipulation of the conversation?

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

@@Malignus68 What was his reaction? Tell me more.

[@carolwardropper5521]

The Manchester Arena bombing killed 22 people. The security guard saw Hashem Abedi carrying a large back pack, but didn’t question him as he didn’t want to appear RACIST. This is how bad the use of the racist card gets.

[@garybrown1404]

People dead & others permanently injured in the service of political correctness, disgusting!

[@SquirtlePower809]

Yuuuuuuuuup!!! 💯 There was also a few recent incidents of a blk person with a weapon that police did not intervene with out of fear of "racism" and it resulted in murders and a few people nearly killed.

[@sangredelic]

A similar example happened in my area of the US. Two officers were under investigation for shooting and killing a black woman. There was a picture of the proceedings in the lical news showing the head of the investigation-a bIack woman wearing a BIack Lives Matter shirt, looking at them with pure hatred. The woman who died had called the cops herself. Then when they arrived, charged at them with a knife. She had a history of mental illness and six children in state care.

[@lancevance2005]

I find it alarming how many people I've personally heard say you can't be racist against white people, even my own mother told me that once.

[@toms7114]

I had a friend in college who would say, jokingly, "I can't be racist, I'm not white." It wound me up the first time and I explained how that doesn't work. After the first time I realized he was saying it for the reaction so, to play along, I gave more and more outrageous reactions. While I could see that other people saw that he was joking around, after I started playing along I don't think anyone who witnessed it realized I was playing along, but the guy who was joking around.

[@DyceFreak]

There's no point in racing at all... We already know black people run the fastest.

[@sdrc92126]

My mother yelled at me for not being black. The insanity goes deep

[@arcturus5644]

Yeah its very sad unfortunately.

[@Not-Ap]

The problem is people who say that are operating under the new definition of racism which is that racism is prejudice plus political/economic power. Since in western nations PoC don't hold as much either they can't be racist only prejudice. I myself used to think this but now I've flopped back to the old definition upon further reflection. I'm not really sure about either definition tbh though. I think we need a new one.

[@ScottyAlexRamsay]

As someone who grew up in Apartheid South Africa I have something to say....when Government brings race into things....your going places you don't want to. Martin Luther Jr nailed it...Content of character.

[@xtimemachinex]

What about when 99% of their character is also 💩?

[@carefulcarpenter]

Of course. Character is hard to find, so race is easier. Narcissists require a sense of superiority; race is an easy target. Racist narcissists come in all colors. A hidden sense of inferiority is the root of the individual's problem. A lack of CHARACTER is the narcissist's hidden nemesis.

[@swingshift.]

What's the economy like they're how much does a loaf of bread cost in South Africa?

[@Person-eh9nr]

@@xtimemachinex99 percent of our character is not shit. No as a people we are not considered the “model minority” but takes like this are what happens when you get all of your information about black people through “bLaCk PpL BaD” algorithms

[@kowboy702]

@@xtimemachinex this is why a color blind society won’t work. People like this will do racist things while pretending they aren’t motivated by race.

[@sherrijones9777]

My husband was in a leadership role in the military and had called out a civilian woman of color who was repeatedly showing up to work late and taking excessively long lunches and breaks. He counseled her on these things and had well documented these occurrences. She decided that he was racist and went to the EO representative, who was also a person of color. Long story short, he ended up being mandated to write a letter of apology to her and was subsequently transferred to a different role in the workplace. After he began bringing up his concerns in how it was handled, it was affirmed that he, in fact, was the one with a legit EO complaint. He was discouraged from filing an EO complaint due to the fact that he was a white male. This was in 2016.

[@kenyafromcali]

The fact that she felt empowered to even make that complaint shows how deep the problem is and has been for a while.

[@travelinlight1141]

So basically the way most Gen X were raised to hold each person as their own individual and learn their name to start a friendship instead of declaring your personal stats to others like an NPC.

[@b4zz3d59]

The gnosttic cult of cultural marxism doesn't care about your reason or logic. The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. We were all lied to about everything. 💪🙏

[@anneb889]

Yea, when he was talking, I was like, that is what we used to do. You would think, they are kind, funny, athletic, smart etc….snd they happen to be black, Jewish, whatever. Those identities weren’t supposed to be the most important, and now they are. We are regressing.

[@armstrong2052]

​@anneb889 we aren't the leftards are. We hold the line, because we are correct in our current situation. We just cannot concede points that we are factually correct on. We'll win this fight if we do. Just my opinion / reasoning. 🖖

[@andy14169]

Yea and gen x then raised their kids, gen z, the exact opposite

[@WilliamRhodes]

Correctly you point out Gen X did this but we were set up to do this as we were abandoned by the being latch key children who had to learn to judge by actions. This is why we don't fall for corporate speak or performative politics. The speaker here is just seeing the value in what we had to utilize to survive in a boomer controlled world.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Coleman is a NATIONAL TREASURE. More of him, less of the race hustlers. Something to be proud of as an American. The very existence of Coleman Hughes. 💜

[@danilopompey754]

Don't be so easily bamboozled. Coleman is an unrepentant liar. He blatantly keeps saying that Anthony Timpa received no publicity and therefore no justice because he was White. Of course, Coleman knows better. It’s been incontestably proven that the cops lied about how Tony died to coverup their culpability. They also effectively suppressed almost all the records about Tony’s death, including the video of what happened, for three years, allowing all the cops to be cleared of wrongdoing criminally, whose official report of the incident said Tony “died by unknown means.” Since everyone knows that it was the video of Mr. Floyd - that surfaced almost immediately - that forced the Minneapolis Police Dept. to reverse its coverup, in effect, closing the door on what had worked to tamp down the Tony Timpa incident and exonerate its officers; yet, Coleman keeps lying and saying it is because Tony was White that the media and other interests didn’t care about his fate. Coleman is a liar, and as a scholar, it is obvious that he knows the real story but persists in lying to bolster his lame Marxian income redistribution argument first broached by MLK.

[@kowboy702]

lol using your race to launder proven racist policies doesn’t make you a hustler?

[@joevi30]

I don't know about that.

[@Reality6789]

I do

[@wendellbabin6457]

IDK, I usually reserve that term for Dr. Thomas Sowell. Anyone would have a lot of ground to cover to gain that mantle wouldn't you say?

[@thegoodlistenerpodcast]

Seeing Coleman having to keep his cool while dealing with the stupidity and condescension from the idiots on the View was so frustrating 🙄🙄 patience of a saint Coleman

[@chloedemure]

The few minutes of that that i watched made me lose my mind, i couldn’t stay that calm with those ridiculous women

[@jaypappo]

Only boomers watch The View, it's literally a dying audience

[@skippy6086]

He would make a great running mate with Vivek in 2028. Both are highly intelligent and highly honorable, reality driven problem solvers.

[@thegoodlistenerpodcast]

@@chloedemureno joke.. it actually had be pissed off for the next 30mins 😂😂😭😭

[@ModernMozart1104]

I'm not even conservative and I think the view is 400% unhinged.

[@jasonpitts8395]

100% agree. Just treat everyone like you want to be treated. Be colorblind. Sadly, some people don't want racism to end, and it's the people always screaming about racism. Race hustlers can't make $ if they don't keep the struggle going.

[@SatSingh-mm4gg]

The Golden Rule is Racist, obviously, for privileged Golden people

[@DyceFreak]

Why even race? We already know black people run the fastest.

[@jm7174]

Agree. The oppressed just want the situation to be flipped. They don’t want true equality.

[@dustinlerch9272]

It’s the same with the homeless. It’s the same with Raytheon. If there isn’t a problem, there isn’t a solution you can bill for. Cant sell tanks without endless war. Cant keep getting donations if there aren’t homeless people I forget the book and I forget the person but after American prohibition the guy in charge of that turned towards the evil jazz player and marijuana (which is actually a Mexican tobacco species) as the next best thing to purport as a social issue and thusly returning his ‘power’ he had previously. It’s about controlling people. It’s super simple

[@LightYagami_99]

Kind of like Al Sharpton - definitely a race hustler

[@TimBitts649]

Strengthen the black family, role of black dad, role of extended family. Strong families don't end racism, they make it irrelevant. Democrat policy has done the opposite of that since the 1960s.

[@kanggeorge4781]

Racism was pretty relevant prior to the 1960s even with “strong” families. Dads in the household were preventing lynchings, land theft, voting rights in the 1920s. Arbitrary family structure without resource backing won’t change much The only solution to racism will unironically come from either reparative justice or social justice

[@TimBitts649]

@@kanggeorge4781 You're missing the point. Large family structure is what generates resources. It works like a corporation. See: Valuetainment, "How Indians Raise Successful Kids". Democrats have spent endless billions in reparative justice/social justice, since the 1960s, all it did was incentivize family breakup and poverty.

[@onepunchflan3071]

​@@kanggeorge4781what a load of crap

[@MrVvulf]

Exactly. It's not rocket science, but somehow over 50% of the population does see the direct correlation (and synchronous timeline) between the government policies that incentivized single motherhood and the destruction of poor families. Blacks were "disproportionately" affected because a higher percentage were poor, but the adverse affects of the social engineering policies of the 1960s impacted all poor American families.

[@TimBitts649]

@@MrVvulf 🎯

[@randylahey8207]

Love Coleman. So balanced and calm at all times. I wish more people knew about him, a voice of sanity in an insane world. Cheers guys..

[@lesliepage3886]

Right? I’ve been listening to him since before his first podcast. He has great mentors too.

[@SquirtlePower809]

He is gaining massive support recently! And I'm so happy!

[@adrian_vsk7203]

As a white child born under apartheid in South Africa, I saw the worst effects of racism in public policy. Present it however you want, it's always discriminatory. Colour blindness is what we were taught when Mandela came to power, I've carried that with me all my life.

[@user-rp4ot3gr5r]

Are you joking? Discrimination in South Africa is in every African eye. They will never change and it never changed after Mandela. May he RIP.

[@user-rp4ot3gr5r]

I know my comment will be taken off FaceBook, as most of others. There’s no free speech here.

[@LOAisMagic]

Wow. This articulates what I struggled to express while working in Corporate America. I couldn't understand why I couldn't align my values with participating in 'Women in IT' and other DEI events and committees. They felt forced and insincere. As a female, I began to feel like more of a target or a mere tool to enhance the company's image. I witnessed women being promoted beyond their capabilities, which led to a decline in productivity and collaboration. Additionally, I noticed my male colleagues becoming apprehensive about being genuine around me. As an ethnic woman, I felt pressured to participate in and lead these events. When I declined, I felt as though I was jeopardizing my career and blamed myself for the issue. Perhaps I was part of the problem, considering I no longer work for a corporation. Putting words to these emotions, as Colman has done, validates my experiences. Thank you, Colman, for your insight, and Chris, too, for engaging in this controversial discussion. Today, I feel more empowered not just for myself, but for all of humanity, thanks to the insights shared in this session. THANK YOU!

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

I work in one of the big 10 IT companies. It feels like it is the epicenter for this regressive mindset. Thanks for sharing.

[@annedobson-mack3688]

Well said!

[@BrianAnderson150]

@LOAisMagic As a white man trying to make a corporate job work in today's world I would absolutely love to, "be a mere tool to enhance the company's image". Instead, I was promised a promotion, strung along for months (nearly a year), and then explicitly told the job was going to a minority/woman because the lady whose position I was applying for was Latina; Additionally, we had just lost a black female assistant manager whom received a promotion to store manager. Suffice it to say I did not get that job. After explicitly being told I was passed up for the sake of DEI I was obviously not thrilled. I harbor no resentment against the women who received promotions. They were both hard workers, especially the lady who was promoted to store manager. In fact, I vociferously advocated for her getting that promotion when asked about her performance at a staff meeting. Once I'd been outright lied to, I decided to leave that company. You may be tempted to think, "Well, he just wasn't as qualified." While I won't go into specifics, I can assure you that wasn't the case. Now, a year on, I still cannot find a job. Despite never having wronged anyone, being wholly committed to a rigorous work ethic, and supporting others when given the opportunity; My reward for upstanding behavior has been to be passed over by employers, treated like the enemy by women, and cast as the evil white oppressor by society. At some point this needs to stop. Thanks for listening.

[@LOAisMagic]

​@@BrianAnderson150 I am sorry you went through this experience. I can relate as I was pushed to apply (and promised the position) for manager roles, despite not wanting to be a manager. Management could not understand why I didn't want to be a 'manager'. I was/am a driven individual contributor, and love engineering & troubleshooting. They didn't understand my lack of desire to climb the ladder and have a 'manager' title. Was I truly worthy of management there, or did they want me in the role as based upon me being a diverse female? I'll never know.... I understand what you have been through. I departed defeated as the culture also didn’t promote decision making. Burnout took over my life and in a day of rage, I resigned. I'm still healing. I still blame myself. I too remain unemployed. Best of luck to you on your journey. I applaud you for your awareness of this topic and for speaking about it. Content like this continues to gain momentum and it's my hope that we can all learn from these controversial issues and continue to grow.

[@cornchips704]

I’m also a woman in IT and completely agree. I am competent and love sparring with guys I work with on technical topics (especially if I win 😉). These types of “women in IT” initiatives are well-meaning but I can’t bear to think that my male peers assume that I am where I am due to my sex and not my merit.

[@JaeCi-sh6fx]

Hong Kong once had rampant police corruption. They found out the solution was not to defund the police, but rather to fund it *more* in order to get quality personnel in place as well as to train them properly. Often the solution is entirely different, even diametrically opposed, to what we think should work especially when conclusions are emotionally driven.

[@MsBhappy]

I felt that ACAB was most problematic because it would deter the kinds of people we need to be encouraging to join policing and retaining in policing due to the increased stigma and stereotyping (the very thing that anti-racism should be against).

[@evilweevle]

​@@MsBhappyyou make a really good point there actually. I obviously knew the negative stigma would deter people from joining the police but didnt consider it would push away those we need the most right now to join and restore some faith in policing.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

Guiliani did that in NY and dramatically cleaned up NY when it was as bad as it ever was. It was legendary what he did and it was a massive, massive boost to NY economically. But can they learn from him? NOOOO!!! The LEFT can't respect the police! Anything but that!

[@jadengrant]

America has tried to throw money at all its issues, and it made them worse, e.g. education lol

[@champboehm7863]

Was just watching him on the view loved him on triggerpod, he is one of my heros at this point. Thanks for having him on.

[@joeskewes9618]

When I was kid I’m 40 now, we were taught to treat people as individuals that was lost somewhere along the way

[@andrewblackmon1574]

Ikr, I'm 1983...I'm scared the kids are gonna let the bad ppl in. (Communism)

[@stewheart]

It's still there it's just that the idiots are shouting louder

[@joeskewes9618]

@@andrewblackmon1574 they are pushing for it

[@viracocha03]

Yeah, I'm 40 as well and I miss those days.

[@SuperLibertarianMan]

Yup, I grew up in rural Indiana, I'm 41 and my parents raised me to judge on character, not appearances.

[@stockjock1222]

Great interview! Sounds like a young Thomas Sowell with his commitment to intellectual integrity. I hope he draws a wide audience.

[@danielasanchez4674]

I haven't seen this yet but I remember in a livestream someone asked him what to study to at least get a good coverage of knowledge (paraphrasing) and Coleman said that he learned a lot from reading Thomas Sowell

[@theargonath7938]

When I was a kid growing up in the 80s and early 90s in a middle class suburban Texas town with fairly mixed demographics, race was not an issue. We were moving past all of this nonsense, but Coleman is correct on everything. Younger generations need something to fight for and they've been lied to. I remember 40 years ago. 20 somethings don't. They have no idea.

[@cordyone]

Love listening to Coleman. I remember a HR presentation I aborted after the first slide presented colour-blindness disingenuously with a cartoon of a woman saying "I dont see colour". Having studied the civil rights movement years ago at university, it sickens me the direction things have gone, and saddens me to think of the wasted years it will take to unravel this mess. I have ordered his new book and cant wait for it to arrive! Please keep pushing Coleman!

[@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425]

My father was a leader of the civil rights movement, and if you mention this stuff to him he gets incredibly upset, despite being someone who rarely shows emotions.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425 - God bless your father and his past efforts towards Civil Rights.

[@beamanact]

I wish this had been taped after Coleman's visit to The View. I'd love to know his thoughts about being called a "charlatan" and tool for the Far Right by Sunny Hostin. I was furious. Coleman handled it with grace.

[@sdrc92126]

The people who watch that show are hardcore racists in disguise

[@beamanact]

PS. Bernice King was 5 when her father died. She doesn't know more than Coleman and Sunny is just dropping names.

[@user-wf5sh9ih3x]

This sounds great to me. I've been homeless and living on the streets of New Haven, CT (home of Yale) for almost a year and a half because my malignant narcissistic wife attacked me while I was holding my 2 year old son. She's half Afro-Cuban and half Cambodian by the way. She got a disorderly conduct charge, and decided that I was to blame and divorced me, and took absolutely everything. Nobody cared or upheld my rights or the law for me. Why? I am a heterosexual, middle-aged, educated, white man. So in this f$cked up society we live in now... I'm the epitome of everything bad and evil. I got zero protection under the law, and I can't get ANY help from the so-called "services" for homeless people. NOBODY will help me. I have watched countless people come months and months after me and get all the help they need... countless Hispanic and African American people. For me? Nothing... and IT IS because I'm white. So yeah, racism affects EVERYONE. I've had many black people out here on the streets literally say to me "they're not going to help you. You're white." And they are absolutely correct. I haven't seen my little boy since a week before last Christmas. Explain to me where the "white privilege" is.

[@onepunchflan3071]

I hope one day you can find justice and peace brother ❤

[@travisjazzbo3490]

I am really sorry to hear this! Really! I know a black guy personally that makes plenty of money but he is on various government programs and gets away with it and when I asked him why he does that, he says 'because I'm black. No one checks so I take all the free stuff!'. He knows it and works the system. I know a B nurse that does the same type of stuff and she just laughs about it

[@tattooman3603]

I believe Coleman is incorrect on the facts about the Ahmad Arbery case, and perhaps I am as well so correct me if I am, in that he was NOT out for a jog. He (r someone matching his description) had been seen earlier in the area, the citizens had been warned not to approach him, and they only did so because he entered the house, BUT he had not been out for a jog, he was there for the purpose of entering that (and other) houses.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@tattooman3603 Correct. He was cashing properties to steal from. The 'out for a jog' was the lie narrative just like George Floyd died from the cop and not an overdose of drugs as per the coroner whose report was suppressed.

[@andrewjoyner4133]

@@tattooman3603 HIs behaviour was a bit on the suspicious side but they still should not have tried to arrest him so maybe it doesn't make that much difference anyway. It was ok to follow him but then they should have let the police deal with him if he needed to be apprehended.

[@ytfeelslikenorthkorea]

the only racism you can actually experience in UK (especially Scotland) is anti-white, anti-native, anti-british, anti-christian. I live here for 12 years and I never witnessed any animosity against any person of non-Europeans origins.

[@pricklycats]

People are much more sneaky with racism now and usually vent online instead of irl that’s why you don’t see it as much. All the antisocial racist weirdos are in KZbin/social media comments now instead of irl. Though I’ve witnessed racism in real life as well a as someone who grew up in rural areas. A lot of people I used to hang out with aren’t my friends anymore because of my relations with black people

[@ytfeelslikenorthkorea]

@@pricklycats yeah, yt and other "social" media give an alure of anonymity so people try to be extra-nasty. In real life, in Britain, racism was so ridiculed over the last 40 years or so, that it's a massive faux pass to say anything even remotely racist in public. But in the era were everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is misogyny, everything is oppression, yet it's ok to be openly nasty towards white men, society is about to reset hard, I think. Some bad times are coming. It makes me sad, as I moved to Scotland as it seemed like a such a nice place, with positive, happy people. Over the last 3 years, the climate has changed drastically.

[@LemarFrench]

What does "anti-white" mean in the UK, cause everybody over there is ethnically quantifiable...Europe doesn't practice "white" culture

[@jrd33]

Well, there certainly seems to be a lot of antisemitism around lately, I think that counts as "animosity against any person of non-Europeans origins".

[@benfaubion]

Who are actually the perpetrators in this case? I mean, it is a primarily Caucasian country..

[@Marco32144]

He’s spot on. We need to focus on the true inequality. “Classism” It sucks because blacks that call out the hypocrisy and insufficiencies of their communities are called “sellouts” or “uncle toms”.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Well, these fellow brave black Americans need allies as well. So, not to be color-obsessed, but they need white, brown, yellow, red Americans to back them up, online and especially in public and private, so that they are not bearing the hatred and shaming tactics all by themselves. Allies, teams. Strength in numbers.

[@coollary1]

systematic racism doesn’t exist? The reason why focusing on just money doesn’t work is because of how people view blacks. We will still be viewed as criminals and poor until media and news and society starts portraying us in better ways

[@LGMHC]

Love Coleman Hughes! He’s the future. Rational, open-minded, nuanced, and compassionate.

[@deadbeef576]

Political leaders: "Why should we end racism? It is perfect for dividing the population, so they fight among themselves instead against us." This is why racism still exists.

[@JW_______]

In a sane world, Coleman Hughes would be running CNN

[@ericjohnson9468]

Need MORE like ‘Coleman Hughes’… his thinking is the only reasonable way forward for everyone

[@briannerk3373]

Growing up, I learned about the horrors of slavery and Jim Crow; I learned about the civil rights movement and the bravery of MLK and his followers, and how they transformed our society for the better; I could be happy and contented that racism, while still around, seemed to be gradually fading into the dustbin of history and that in a generation or two, racial divisions would mostly fade away. But I never thought that as I turned into an adult, that I as a son of a holocaust survivor, would find myself facing down racists, sexists, and anti-semites reincarnated into a new form. It's time sensible people concerned with decency and universal humanity, stop letting these woke neo-racists get away with their racial hatred that hides behind their word salad. Coleman has my full support.

[@karlmeaden6868]

He speaks eloquently and with logic, i feel this is the way forward. As a white man in the UK im ostracised for sharing this opinion and classed as 'part of the problem'. As someone from a very poor family ive worked so hard to make a career for myself, and im looked at in my place of work as a privileged white male and nothing more. Its upsetting and problematic for society to hold immutable characteristics as the pinnacle of an individuals worth. Im hopeful that saner heads will prevail.

[@kerrycarter330]

My observation on the decline of race relations started in 1995. I was working in a very diverse manufacturing plant of 120 people. The OJ Simpson murder trial split the plant along racial lines and many once friendships were broken off forever.

[@pathacker4963]

Hasn’t OJ more or less admitted to it?

[@brettyates7054]

Me and my family were visiting San Fran from the UK ‘this week’ and we must have been staying in a very racialised area because we were chased out of not one but two restaurants, at the second one we received the kind of abuse that would be illegal in the UK, because our skin wasn’t dark enough. It’s all just becoming a new form of socially ‘acceptable’ racism.

[@John-us2ns]

San Francisco? Which part of town were you in? This is the first time I'm hearing about this.

[@brettyates7054]

@@John-us2ns from where we were staying we walked past the city hall to where the Mrs Doubtfire house was and back, the two places were somewhere in that route, just a sandwich&coffee place then a Popeyes. Ok so we were on ninth and Harrison (entirely different sort of area) and this happened as we travelled westward/northwestward.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Sorry you went through that, especially as you were visitors. This type of racism ( feeding off of revenge and sheer pride ) doesn't have to be acceptable. Honestly, it seems that very few Whites talk back and confront it head on. ( Can't speak for your nation in that respect. ) I'm making a broad generalization, of course, but look at Media, Academia ( this kind of White Guilt/Shame has been around for many decades ), Hollywood, Politics, Culture. Honestly, those with paler skin are going to have to find ways to grow a spine, dare to face the rejection and hatred, and push back on this sh**te. ( Not talking about literal physical push back, but verbally and skillfully finding ways to not cower, not degrade oneself, not be a puppet. )

[@brettyates7054]

@@machtnichtsseimann we had a child with us so we just wanted to get away before she realised what had happened to her. Honestly the first time we didn’t even think it was a race issue, we thought as it was a cafe full of guys it was my sister and niece who weren’t welcome

[@bigheadrhino]

Woah, I never heard of anything like this happening in the area before, can you elaborate? What did they say?

[@Xairos84]

A lot might miss this, but I believe he is touching on the aspect of encountering people in everyday life. I shouldn't put on 'kid gloves' when I approach a stranger solely on seeing their skin tone. It's either patronizing, or stereotyping.

[@Real_TJRoss]

The powers that be want multicultural, divided society. They thrive in it.

[@sdrc92126]

Their [the Fascists] newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. --Henry Wallace, 1944

[@Lawrence-tw6yc]

It's an old war strategy. It's called divide and conquer. Government does what they want while people are busy fighting each other. They will never get together and rise up against the government.

[@danielmanning7689]

Diversity is chaos, and chaos presents opportunity.

[@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425]

*They think they thrive in it.

[@sdrc92126]

@@danielmanning7689 Only if you are high status. For everyone else, it is hell

[@drcrocodile1]

Coleman articulates a truth many people can sense but don't yet have words for. He's going to get huge after his appearance on The View.

[@KVergot]

This guy makes the most sense I have heard on the subject of race

[@user-rp4ot3gr5r]

Agree, but as the saying goes “actions speak louder than words”.

[@kimchimasala]

I know he isn't interested in power, but i would seriously vote for this dude for office no matter which political party he decided to affiliate himself with. This is the kind of young, articulate and rational purveyor of Western liberal values who we need.

[@Sharon-yp1ci]

Coleman is insightful, thoughtful and wise for his young years…and Chris did a wonderful job in this interview with him that gifted us more nuance and depth about race politics. This was an important conversation that ignites critical thinking and challenges creative possibilities when thinking about race & race policies. In contrast, Coleman’s treatment on The View was an example of the close-minded neo-racist ethos he tries to warn about in the book. The host Sunny Hostin attacked Coleman and lectured and slandered his character when she said, “…if I’m being honest with you….you are being used as a pawn by the right. You’re a charlatan of sorts…” And Coleman, a 28 year old, handled himself with dignity and grace in the moment with this 56 year old woman co-host who lacked respect, curiosity and kindness and resorted to gutter-level behavior and displayed neo-racist capture. Instead of actually interviewing Coleman to hear his views…she came fired up with her staunchly held preconceived ideas about race and attempted to shame, humiliate and belittle Colman--the man --she didn’t even give the ideas a hearing. It was very ugly to witness. Kudos to Coleman for maintaining his composure.

[@Vanarcho_gascap]

When a man of Coleman's caliber says "two flying fucks" it just hits a little harder.

[@chrisullman7285]

Coleman is correct. But, there is still the question of why people persist in making and seeing race as the issue. As you will see, this problem has been debated for a very long time in the following quote from the founder of Tuskegee: “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium to make themselves prominent before the public.” From “My Larger Education” Booker T. Washington 1911

[@daithi1966]

Coleman Hughes is absolutely one of my favorite speakers. However, I would like to hear some of his thoughts on non-racial issues, as he has more of a leftist perspective whereas I lean to the right, but I like to have my views challenged by someone using logic and reason and not just sophistry.

[@juliocorrea2552]

Coleman has consistently been one of the great voices on race, with a nuance and logical approach to the subject. It’s a shame the masses are captured by social media as a source for news and information, it will be our demise if it goes unchecked

[@user-nj9ru4ef2w]

The biggest problem with racism is this obsession with racism. In reality, racism isn't any different from say tennis players would find affinity towards other tennis players. I am a Chinese-Canadian, and when I went to miami 10 years ago, I felt so much connection every time I saw an asian person because they were so rare; but when I went back to China, every time I saw a non-Chinese person, I felt so much connection because we had more similarities than compared with the majority. That's really all it is. The problem is when people have no compassion or empathy or moral values, and so they are violent, or they take advantage of certain groups of people for their own benefit. That's the problem, and sometimes, race is the pretense for this problem but what we should be targetting is violence and discrimination, not racism specifically, or "body shaming", or whatever else western woke liberals like to box things in today.

[@LemarFrench]

Sensible post right here

[@stewheart]

Racism is a new religion. People belive it's the root of everything even with no tangible evidence. It could have easily been about beauty, height, intelligence, personality.

[@PeteQuad]

​@@LemarFrenchThe definition of racism I grew up with was discrimination on the basis of race. So you had to actually do something bad to someone for an example of racism. That's why the term was so derogatory. They slowly changed the meaning of the term while maintaining the stigma of it.

[@SejunPabs8522]

1000% agree 👍 Judge a person not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character! Its like saying don't judge the book by its cover. ❤❤❤

[@Curitibaas]

Coleman Hughes, you are a voice of reason in this distorted, modern society!

[@BrianAnderson150]

Once, I gave a speech on gentrification for a real estate course in college. My goal was to be entirely factual and honest. At the end of the speech one of the questions I received related to how gentrification's effect of forcing people out of their home's in certain parts of Atlanta was a race issue. My response was that while yes, it could be looked at as a race issue as it predominantly effected black Americans, the deeper truth was it was a class issue, effecting all low income Americans living in the area. Looking back I can only imagine that trying to make this distinction, even a decade ago when I was still in school, was most likely viewed as racist. What it comes down to is, if it doesn't benefit the particular individual's day to day life, they would rather not hear about it and instead focus on whatever may.

[@rykertrombly]

Saw the title- taken aback a bit-wasn’t sure, but I just guessed that Chris would bring on someone with a fresh take, and I was right, well done Chris. 💪

[@alifecycles]

Chris, another fantastic guest. As per usual a good, honest and interesting conversation. Thank you both!

[@FeWolf]

I was an EO investigator for DoD, DoA, and Dept of Veterans' Affairs, 1990s, I find that we are going backwards, and racism by definition is being practiced, on the left side of the political spectrum.

[@MrSyphon28]

#1 going to buy your book! #2 you need to find a way to get your message in policy, my vote is yours if I can ever support it.

[@EGH181]

Treat people as individuals.

[@OpenRangeStudios]

1 minute in and I like him already

[@lesliepage3886]

Go look at his early podcasts. He also has been on the Glenn Loury’s podcast. He is part of 1776 Unites. 😊

[@iancropper8356]

Coleman Hughes is a great guy and can help us solve many problems if he gets our support.

[@diydantex6150]

I had never heard what Coleman Hughes said about Martin Luther King. I was a kid up north in the 60s and heard a different story. Thank you Coleman.

[@dorirobinson8399]

I really enjoyed this interview and Mr Hughes perspectives. However I feel that his comment on the view about not ruling out voting republican as long as not a Trump republican, leads me to think he’s missing one big data point about 2013 race relations going south. It was Obama, he was extremely divisive during his second term. Remember this “If I had a son, he’d look like Treyvon”. Meaning Presidents do matter and it seems so ironic that a black man was elected for a 2nd term but all of a sudden we were the most racist country.

[@DarwinsLab]

I've been following Coleman for a while now, glad he's getting his flowers, top class as always

[@Syckk411]

This is exactly how I was raised. Look at ppl as their actions and who they are not the color of their skin.

[@KariEllenJames]

Such an important conversation. Than you both for having the courage to go against the grain in service of truth. I will endeavour to follow your example, though treading carefully, as I work at a sandstone uni where even my own expertise in my own specialism doesn't go down well when it's against the cultural zeitgeist... 😬

[@mejdlocraftci]

this whole thing is depressing as fuck because the only reaction I have to everything thats being said is "duh...duh....duh....duh....duh....duh...". What the hell happened to us, why did we become so stupid that we have to even discuss this?

[@sdrc92126]

None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[@blackjackjester]

​@@sdrc92126 Ehhh... I still see a lot of people who wear masks in public.

[@sdrc92126]

@@blackjackjester When you have no clue, it's probably best, evolutionarily, to do what everyone else is doing

[@energeez]

it has been a steady increase over the years of compounding things. being an older person and seen it, i think its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[@ricardoreno9546]

Great guest, great interview.

[@ruth112]

I don't think that right now there is a person I admire and love listening to more than Coleman Hughes. His composure, his calming voice, his intelligence, his balanced ideas!

[@mTaR36S]

So grateful for introducing me to Coleman Hughes ! I live colorblind . My measure of someone has very little to do with the color of their skin and everything to do with whether they are an asshole or an OK human being even if I don`t agree with them.

[@NicoleTedesco]

Why has this been sustained? The Internet algorithms, as marketing generally has done since the 1950s, responded most strongly to the age cohort 18-24. Even more so, the age cohort 12-17 respond even more strongly. Emerging adult minds think differently than fully mature adult minds. They are more emotionally reactive. Eventually, today’s 18-24 year olds will age out and ask the intelligent questions about race and all that, but right behind them are a brand new crop of young who respond vigorously to the actual incentives of social media. Social media feels juvenile because it is for juveniles that social have been built. As long as social media continue to stoke the dopamine flames of the young, or those who are not able to emotionally mature (personality disorders and the like), we will continue having the problems we have. The rest of society, since the 1950s, continues to focus on the younger mind because they are the perpetual emerging market. Everyone older seems to have their minds mostly made up about products and politics. Youth, especially 18-24 year olds, are catered to in ways no other age group is. What we have is kind of a Lord Of The Flies society. Who has the conch now? The same thing happened with the “youth culture” of the late 1960s.

[@grannyannie2948]

I'm wondering with falling birthrates if this will continue.

[@lawrencecrocker4870]

i went to an inner city school, i was the only white kid, among natives/asians/blacks. I 1000% garantee you can be colored and racist. I was tormented constantly for being white. I dont think defunding the police was entirely bad, what killed it, was they didnt reallocate those funds to services that help people from committing crimes in the first place. We wouldnt need as many police if we had more services to help the mentally unstable and addicted.

[@onepunchflan3071]

It doesn't work like that. It's not just poverty that causes people to commit crime but a culture of violence and a moral network that is corrupted

[@joshwright93]

Coleman Hughes: Harbinger of War. Great episode! Always love seeing what Coleman's up to since learning about him in The Free Press

[@MP-ye6tv]

Judging another first by race diminishes everyone- both the judge and the one being judged- ‘color blind’ doesn’t mean ignoring racism- but as Coleman says ‘you can’t cure racism with racism ‘. Coleman is so thoughtful and considered in his views, policy makers need to hear this ❤️

[@revoktorment440]

We kinda had this in the early 2000s

[@axisapex]

Before big gov. had its uses to use.

[@atomiota5191]

Chris and Coleman are part of the solution. Wickedly handsome and smart young men are part of the solution.

[@kevinbrinkley2550]

Coleman Hughes you're a great man and I pray and wish you much victory and success with your books and policy ideas

[@RandomAmerican23]

Love Coleman

[@AlexandrosV88]

Did Coleman really just say that Carlson really likes Putin? I swear, no matter how much I like some politico, they always have to take the occasional shot at what they perceive as the other side.

[@s2a1ha1j2a]

Thanks Chris! Coleman is a wonderful young commentator and theorist. We appreciate this work.

[@user-hn7my8ow4s]

Wise words from Coleman Hughes. Agree with him 100%.

[@catobie1948]

Isn't that the golden rule? Treat others as you want to be treated. Plain and simple. Or is that obsolete like relugion?

[@alexcane6458]

1:00:15 RIP Daniel Kahneman 1934 - 2024

[@Bailiol]

Coleman Hughes is a wonderful thinker - a hero of our time. We need more inspiring unifiers like him who have real, workable solutions to racial prejudice.

[@Cooper-1717]

I prefer using this phrase: "I don't identify as my race. I'm an individual. I see individuals".

[@paulpavilions]

It started in 2013 after President Obama chimed in (on national prime time tv) with his Trevon Martin, could be my son speech after George Zimmerman's sentencing

[@pathacker4963]

Wasn’t Zimmerman acquitted?

[@070agga]

Clever thumbnail! Because it will probably attract people who actually really need to hear this..

[@jaso9217]

Charging up to 2 Million subscribers Mr Williamson, couldn't happen to a more deserving person, you're a legend.

[@Mohnfisch]

Coleman is a beacon of light in the toxic discussion of racism.

[@Daecoth]

When I was in my 20s, I was in a rush to get in line for a popular movie so after I got my ticket I got into the longest line without checking the movie it was for. When my friends caught up, they asked why I was in the Tyler Perry movie line. I didn't even notice, and my friends, one who is black, asked if I didn't notice I was the only non black person in line. I can honestly say I did not 😅

[@davelegrid2052]

I wonder what someone blind since birth thinks about all of these race controversies.

[@vicklen51]

Very happy to see Coleman Hughes here and in more interviews! Thanks so much

[@danilopompey754]

Don't be so easily bamboozled. Coleman is an unrepentant liar. He blatantly keeps saying that Anthony Timpa received no publicity and therefore no justice because he was White. Of course, Coleman knows better. It’s been incontestably proven that the cops lied about how Tony died to coverup their culpability. They also effectively suppressed almost all the records about Tony’s death, including the video of what happened, for three years, allowing all the cops to be cleared of wrongdoing criminally, whose official report of the incident said Tony “died by unknown means.” Since everyone knows that it was the video of Mr. Floyd - that surfaced almost immediately - that forced the Minneapolis Police Dept. to reverse its coverup, in effect, closing the door on what had worked to tamp down the Tony Timpa incident and exonerate its officers; yet, Coleman keeps lying and saying it is because Tony was White that the media and other interests didn’t care about his fate. Coleman is a liar, and as a scholar, it is obvious that he knows the real story but persists in lying to bolster his lame Marxian income redistribution argument first broached by MLK.

[@0xzgen]

Love the show. Would love it even more, if you would post links to the studies you reference in the show. I have (sometimes quite intense) discussions with fellow students, and it would really help if I don't have to do major digging to find some study, that was mentioned at some random point in a specific episode. Thanks for the great content.

[@greatlakes4753]

The way those manatees treated this guy on the View was despicable.

[@niallfitzpatrick6568]

That crowd aren't manatees but vipers.

[@dliguori25]

He’s so right about people now being really hesitant to engage with people or hire people of certain races due to the current climate. Personally i would just avoid hiring anyone that could be offended by something innocent for fear that I’d be sewed out of existence. So whether it’s policing, jobs, or friendships, the majority of folks see engaging as a losing proposition. The irony is if more white people could have open and honest conversations with black folks we’d probably realize that black folks don’t hold the extreme positions that activists hold. It’s the same with trans stuff - the majority of trans probably hate that the extreme activist wing is speaking for them as it sets back their cause immensely. Most trans people just want to live their lives in peace, but they’ve got “queer” dudes with beards in dresses trying to “speak to the children” about their gender. I’m sure most trans folks are as alarmed by that as the rest of us.

[@Doutsoldome]

Wow! Chris, Coleman, Douglas and Jordan watching a Super Bowl together... Almost too cool to be true. Must have been fun!

[@RobertEgbers]

2013 is the same inflection point where Jonathan Haight found depression and suicidality in teens flourished. Social media boning up life again. Thanks zuck!

[@logoski589]

If it hasn't gotten better by this point it isn't getting better. Tribes gonna tribe and skin color is the lowest hanging fruit.

[@Murphator]

boom

[@iandavis1355]

Not "all of your listeners" are young. I've got 30 years on Chris.

[@doinitforthestreets]

Great job to both of you for amazingly clear thinking 🙏

[@summerswan3872]

Just watched clips from the view and immediately sought out more content from Coleman Hughes.

[@rykertrombly]

PLEASE SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY SERVE US PROPAGANDA AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHERE OR WHAT IT IS SINCE 2013

[@captainspaulding5408]

This guy always stays in safe spaces I'd like to see him talk to someone credible people that push back on his (opinions) -

[@tonyowens3601]

same problem as his hero, Sam Harris, who I also respect, but possibly a lack of testicular fortitude?🤭

[@captainspaulding5408]

@@tonyowens3601 re: Harris...he's been on a dozen podcasts on the last year that aren't necessarily in lockstep with him politically. Also Harris has mad a career out of debating very controversial topics (in their home court) That said, I'd like to see him mix it up some more, so agreed.

[@tonyowens3601]

@@captainspaulding5408 great points, Coleman has a lot to offer, I wish that there was a way for his ideas to get some traction outside the intelligentsia sphere.

[@nickmikeworth9251]

Hughes and Williamson is a gift. Two of the best rn. Look forward to another one.

[@josephcavanaugh2470]

This is the podcast I was listening to when a semi decided it wanted to be in my lane, in just the part I was currently occupying on I-465. As I spun across 4 lanes of traffic, questioning all my life choices, Chris' voice did have an oddly soothing effect. Also, color blind with regards to race is the only way to be.

[@cabernet5]

Hope you're doing well after that mate😂

[@membering]

This guy is making too much sense. Democrats aren't gonna like him.

[@etherealprotagonist]

That thumbnail had me ready to go keyboard warrior. 😅

[@fiyamage]

Shows how easily triggered we are by social media.

[@aaronb1226]

You were ready to mention “race card” and “victim” weren’t you? 🤡

[@anne-roseschatzle2824]

Thank you so much - great conversation, great point of view!

[@thaliasmusings]

Excellent. A hearty thank you to you both. 🌿