New Old Heads react to Kendrick Lamar critics who are fake Hip Hop fans

This discussion from the New Old Heads episode 395 talked about Kendrick Lamar's "Pop Out" concert and the negative discussions being had about.
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[@SuiteVII]

Drake fans arent necessarily fans of Hip Hop but rather a fan of the infiltration and utilization of Hip Hop, basically Colonizer Vibes.

[@goeienacht]

People who prefer drake over Kendrick clearly love their hip hop to be as shallow and narcissistic as it can possibly be.

[@pocketgrim4942]

100000000% Ive never met somebody who has drake in their top 5 and they love rap. If Drakes their top, they R&B boys

[@shrimp_boogaloo]

I don’t think it’s necessary to label fans like that. People have wide ranging tastes and there’s room for everyone.

[@pocketgrim4942]

@@shrimp_boogaloo Nah man youre wrong, best comparison i can think of is if people come up to you saying the marvel superhero movies are genuinely the best drama movies of all time. If they say that, i know for a fact they arent a heavy fan of movies. Same with drake, if his half assed tracks are youre favorite RAP tracks of all time, you dont have a good catalogue of rap. Its as simple as that

[@Yella265]

@@shrimp_boogalooexactly. Nas was a better rapper but ppl was jammin to ha-rule

[@dianeclarkson9607]

This was great. I completely agree, let Kendrick have his shine. He doesn’t have to be anyone else, not Pac, no one but himself. Looks like we’re all here for it too! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙃

[@Geo_not_Neo5381]

This victory was one small step for hip hop and one giant leap for the underground..

[@kevaughnramsay9846]

Sure bro

[@tiffanycaldwell5311]

Pacs parents were Black Panthers. Ppl seem to keep forgetting that.

[@jtothey1993]

2Pac is one of Kendrick’s idols. Idk when it became bad to live up to our Idol’s standards.

[@theonewhoknocks3107]

Idol is a strong word…he’s a hero to Dot. He doesn’t idolize him. We should never idolize another human. Only God is worthy of our idolatry.

[@TheFactsMob]

​@@theonewhoknocks3107 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✅️✅️✅️

[@GrandmaGrannyLuvs.....]

FOR ME!!!!!! I compare him to PAC bc of his poetry, his love for his people, his subject matter, his activism, his lyricism and his ability to express it in a rap song where the listener gets a mental picture of exactly what he's talking about. The same things I used to get from PAC and I know PAC would be as proud of KDot as I am

[@shaspearman8647]

That concert was so fun. I turned off my lights, turned my speakers to max and rocked the fuck out. And I ain’t even think of Drake. The production was excellent. The sound was excellent. Kendrick’s vibe and connection with his people was so beautiful.

[@goeienacht]

5:53 I literally had this happen at work! As soon as I brought up the Juneteenth show, a coworker (black man) immediately tried to cut me off saying it was corny and it’s been done before. Days later, he was like “I got something to show you about Kendrick that’ll make you mad”. Bro, no it won’t, it’ll just make you look more unlikeable and bitter. I was like “I’m happy, I’m good, real hip hop and music fans are fine too but you can be miserable over there” and he didn’t even bother arguing after that. He knew I wouldn’t be swayed by random haters he found dwelling online and gave up. As a black woman, it amazes me how much I see other black men consistently and maybe subconsciously shit on the wins and success of talented black men in rap. Not famous, talented. Like clockwork, I’m always praising black artists and their legendary or notable achievements and there’s always a black dude popping up trying to shid on it. For free. It’s even more bizarre when it’s to side with drake, though. Tired of these ashy ass opinions from people who clearly have the most surface level or old-head appreciation for rap. Lyricism, production, and stage presence is something everyone should value (ahem, Kendrick), not random hits shoved in our faces years ago that we can’t relate to. This wasn’t just a diss show, but an amalgamation of all of those aspects, including charisma and authenticity. It wasn’t the “first” or “only” gathering of opps turned temporary allies but it was powerful. Hackles down, volume up. And above all, the entirety of this beef era is significant because it’s long-awaited and much needed proof that yes, lyricism+style finally wins. Genuine wins. And the public proved it by supporting Kendrick Lamar.

[@michellewilliams5533]

Amazing take! So glad I found your channel. I'm from Toronto and I was in awe from the unification. And I'm tired of these media people saying we need to thank Drake for the pop out concert. How can people be so dense? The people on stage had respect and love for Kendrick. It wasn't about hating Drake. Also great point about how difficult it is to get that love in LA. RIP Nipsey

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[@bihsaidwhatnow2392]

I'm from Oakland. . .we don't like Drake, and when we Poped Out in Inglewood for the concert, we sang how we felt about Drake--don't like him or his "slave" comment.

[@kanittaj3894]

I really appreciate this breakdown. One of the best KZbin channels.

[@sterlin9tv849]

I had to subscribe after this one! This break down was master class.

[@NewOldHeadsPodcast]

Appreciate it!

[@moniquepettway-Mesapegasus]

The corporate attempt to save Drake is on but I don't believe it's going to work. He is like machine gun Kelly now he must join the pop world. They are trying to turn the tables and make Kendrick into the bully where he has been saying what he has been saying from the beginning. If you listen. People should have listened. I don't think he was being cocky. He really knew that he was lyrically murderous. He brought a gun into the rap game like he said with Keem

[@parkermudsen1063]

On a side note, that new joint by MGK, BMXXing, is pretty dope.

[@moniquepettway-Mesapegasus]

@@parkermudsen1063 And it it's okay. Pop is okay. It's just not the same culture as hip hop ..... Drake is a part of Pop culture and he just needs to stop trying to even stand with people that really came up from under. Definitely not try to stand up against them 😍

[@7kingztrading494]

Kendrick looked up Pac, but he's not trying to be like him at all. And honestly, there's no comparison.

[@joseangelhernandez5274]

Drake had more than a decade on top, and could have helped so many Toronto artists come up and do something like the Pop Out, uniting the Toronto scene. Instead he signed artist to his record label only to have their work siphoned for his album.

[@Tigercam24]

Absolutely, he's actually set back the underground 10+ years. He never supported them, only tried to pillage them for his own personal gain. And it was get down or lay down, literally, cause he was literally having people get beat up for choosing not to work with him

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

Kendrick also met 2Pac on the set of California Love remix video set when he was a kid with his dad. I think people compared Kendrick to him with 2Pac also because Kendrick’s bday is June 17th, which is the day after Pac’s bday. Also social media was comparing him to Pac because of the red shirt, red hat, blue jeans and white shoes that Pac wore at the Source Awards 94 where he was performing. Kendrick wore the same outfit similar. I still don’t think Kendrick is the new 2Pac.

[@Rock.lee7736]

And the cross chain

[@kidadam]

You right.. kdot better

[@theonewhoknocks3107]

They never met, he saw him shooting the video while he was on his dad’s shoulders. Still very influential to him though obviously.

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

@@theonewhoknocks3107 He said he said hey to him.

[@theonewhoknocks3107]

@@SoulOfTheSouth that doesn’t mean he met him lol.

[@pakONEoh]

Kendrick's skill set is greater and/or more diversified than Pac. I love Pac, no Diddy. But, Kendrick is an evolution beyond and who he was as a rapper / MC.

[@SoulTrybe]

You can’t say that, because Pac had some music that Kendrick couldn’t make because of his life experiences. I love Kendrick to but I wouldn’t say that he is “ greater”

[@theonewhoknocks3107]

@@SoulTrybeKendrick is a much more complete lyricist, he is a master of patterns and cadences. What pac has that only a few have ever had is intelligence and pure raw emotion. So they’re greater than each other at different things.

[@SoulTrybe]

@@theonewhoknocks3107 I agree, we are kinda saying the same thing actually

[@theonewhoknocks3107]

@@SoulTrybe no doubt

[@lisolette1]

PAC was like Kendrick shy and extrovert at the same time ,and pac was a poet in his time , you could see easily why people compare them. But know Kendrick is not PAC but Kendrick is going to fight for his legend to not be abused

[@Goatchild90]

If you ain't got haters you ain't doing nothing nothing major.

[@SuiteVII]

Drake fans are defending and denying for Drake the same way they defend and deny racism 😅 It feels like the same style of debate.

[@Miyah_Fushiguro]

Leave Kanye out of it. They kept pulling his version he’s at war with shit above other rappers tbh them shots are unnecessary keep it at Drake and Kendrick

[@mikihahn2615]

As a 51 year old woman, I think one of the main problem is the norms that guide society. I so flabbergasted when my daughter participated on a losing soccer team and was given a trophy. She didn’t need a trophy what she needed was to rub drills, etc. People are not taught anymore morals, determination, and hard work anymore. They expect to be rewarded for showing up. They are not taught that you grow in life by overcoming your weaknesses. The minute I fell in love with Kendrick and downloaded every Kendrick song was when I seen an interviewer ask Kendrick about the Control verse and Kendrick responded they need to work harder. Kendrick just proved hard-work, determination, and investigation will make you rise to the top. He just proved before he went he showed up to the front line, he did a deep dive on absolutely everything In Drake’s past, friends and family are, habits, his strengths/weaknesses, etc. Kendrick only united the West Coast but hopefully will make people realize that they need be held accountable for their actions, not everyone deserves a trophy, that hard-work does pay off. Kendrick is teaching people it’s okay if you’re not perfect but with some determination and a Humble mindset, you will be Alright!!

[@avashirley2912]

Yes this is just a comparison game.

[@Goldenxo90]

This was such a good listen and I agree with everything!

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Thanks for tapping in!

[@NataschaDeetlefsova]

Kendrick Lamar is the King of the west, Snoop Dogg acknowledges and sees a powerful message Snoop does a beautiful and respect towards Kenrick.

[@LacedRhymes]

Very well said!!!!!

[@MrKingvenom77]

This was a very intelligent conversation. 👌🏿

[@tinatamara3031]

Well said

[@jeffreybuffkin9108]

I agree that we don’t need to compare to uplift, but Kendrick definitely invites those comparisons to Pac

[@coursecorrection4105]

If they are great they are being compared to PAC, MJ, or Prince. It does a disservice to both artists. Each artist has created a unique lane and have contributed to the music in a distinct, and different way. All of it creates and expands Black influence on music. To compare artists is to erase their contribution and is anti-Black.

[@RomeDCarlo]

Tupac seemed to be much more extroverted than Kendrick as well

[@erikayahchelle1123]

Wayne cautioned Drake 10 years ago to stay in his lane. Not to try to rap about what he rapped about just because he was around him. “Keep it Canadian”. Drake is a colonizer. Industry Plant. He cosplayed Black people to pretend to be from our culture. Nobody who’s been through what our people have would have ever said that “trying to free the slaves” line, let alone wore blackface..I’m trippin’ that he still has Black fans after saying that.. Not saying hate him, but his fans never asked for any apology or explanation? Tupac, and Kendrick’s music comes from our experience.. for generations.. You can’t fake that.. and that MF found out the hard way, his label backing, money and hardcore fans couldn’t save him or deny it. And those industry executives didn’t see this coming. I’m glad Drake poked the bear. The culture needed this..

[@kevaughnramsay9846]

You fuckers don't actually care about kendrick you just hate drake stop lying.

[@marcuskellybrew5765]

Kendrick is a reflection of where Pac visualized the Kulture would be if we stopped giving in to where the world think Hip Hop to be. Listen to Letter to my unborn child. Pac's letter was to the ones that awakened from dreaming, to living it. Kendrick brought gangs that's been feuding for decades to coming together, he grabbed the baton from Nipsey (R.IP) and brought it a little further. Like Snoop said KINGS bring people together

[@mellemellbc]

People just generally don’t have deep roots with icons like the West, and the East have… the space is vast in how someone experiences Kendrick’s music. Drakes music is a mirror. He’s reflecting what his base wants. He can’t buy what it takes to be that good at beef… it’s REAL. I enjoyed your insight! 🙌 What took place was EPIC for us in LA, but globally. If one can’t appreciate what they witnessed during this battle then their opinions are in question.

[@StephoneYoung]

Not like us is his Biggest Record Stop the Cap

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Hasn't been out long enough to be his biggest, but in time it probably will be.

[@StephoneYoung]

@@BringingDownTheBand it went number 1 fast everone is playing it its a fact it will be his Biggest record

[@RMS-qn5tp]

Part of the issue is that the rejection of Drake is a rejection of letting outsiders define and dominate our artforms. It was hitting pause on the gentrification of hipop and people are mad about it.

[@Ms110209]

Kendrick did what he did and they (drake stans) cant get over this. Its his time and let him be.

[@flacko_jody2130]

If people actually listend to Kendrick then you know what it meant. Alot of yall never actually listened to Kendrick until this so now yall saying anything sounding ignorant.

[@ShamikoTruss]

That Drake and Kanye concert was live and they had that mess on everyday for like a month.

[@bigstaceinc]

That was an L.A. show eer-body was from the L.A. area

[@Tigercam24]

"2pac dead, gotta think for yourself"

[@hoodcounselor]

They say Dot not an Activist like Pac then say he rap like he trying to free the slaves

[@ShamikoTruss]

$200,000 donated to free lunch programs and initiatives in LA from Kendrick Lamar and the artists that performed at the PopOut. The fact that anyone can make this a negative shows their mentality.

[@hubcity2872]

Bruh 2pac was like drake in many ways dude wasn’t from LA and especially not Compton which is why he’s not here anymore K-Dot is really from Compton so to the white dude no K-Dot is nothing like pac a lot of different places claim pac only Compton claim Kendricc it’s a different kind of love. PAC was a hip hopper for real and tried to join a gang he knew nothing about or the opposition he was up against so RIP to him. SS.IP to Orlando Anderson a real one from Compton

[@Words0.0]

They act like a victim, Aubrey did meek for 2 years, it's just 2 months and kendrick not a social media person it won't take to long and they try so hard to bring him down

[@kpw84u2]

Drake Glazers is what we call them now... F.A.N. fans

[@sanfordgreene106]

But who is " they"?.... Those are bots online! 🤣

[@user-mc3qv4pw1p]

ur genuinely slow

[@Yella265]

Don’t be corny and diss drake bcuz ya wasn’t doing it before the beef