Bristol Van Life, Parry's Lane Travellers - Rip Off Rents - This is England - BBC West 07 Mar 2022

Bristol Van Life, Parry's Lane Travellers - Rip Off Rents - This is England - BBC West 07 Mar 2022
Bristol Van Life - this is England BBC West 07 Mar 2022
We Are England
A Place Called Home
Van Life - Bristol
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Duration: 29 minutes
First broadcast: Mon 7th Mar 2022, 20:30 on BBC One Channel IslandsLatest broadcast: Mon 7th Mar 2022, 20:30 on BBC One Channel Islands HD
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Property prices in Bristol are nine times average earnings. That’s forced teaching assistants Mark and Sarah to live in a van on the city’s streets for two years in order to save up for a deposit on a flat. They’re just two of an estimated 600 people living in vehicles in Bristol. Another person in the film is 80-year-old Cameron. He has mobility issues and a number of medical conditions which means he needs to stay close to the local hospital
Contributors
Director:
Luke David
Executive Producer:
Debb Swindells
Executive Producer:
Sarah Trigg
Commissioning Editor:
Aisling O'Connor
Genres
Factual
Real Life Stories
Formats
Documentaries
Brand
We Are England
Series
We Are England: A Place Called Home

[@hayleymerchant7689]

Iv just found myself to becoming homeless in 6 weeks 😢 Iv lived in my current rented property in Bristol for 17 years. I am a full time carer for my two autistic children. Iv been looking for another rental for 7 months with no luck due to being grossly out priced or discriminated against for not being able to work. I went to Bristol city council yesterday to get help I was told to wait until I’m evicted by bailiffs only then they will put me and my special needs boys in emergency accommodation of which I’ll be waiting a minimum of 18 to 24 for permanent social housing. I wish I could get a caravan and be free of all these constraints of how the system is currently run. Greed is the root cause of so many peoples suffering. You are not truly rich until you have something money can not buy

[@willpolr]

Trouble is living in a van doesn’t free you from life’s constraints. Just changes them. It isn’t as easy as it looks. I’ve just done 4 years in vans and trust me there’s two sides to it. Same as living in a house. Horses for courses. You’re still living as part of the system in a van, just in a van. Hope you’re circumstances improve : have improved.

[@dafthermits]

hi, really enjoyed this wee film. having lived in everything from phone boxes to coaches and the odd boat over the passed 38 years (still learning every day). warms the old heart to see young people not swallowing the bullshit. live free and explore everyday. awrabest too everyone.

[@diabolicalartificer]

I can't remember a time in all my 60 years living in the UK when my choices were so limited and the cost of living so onerous. The 2008 financial crash, 13 years of austerity & Brexit have made life far harder. I can only see things getting worse.

[@greatest7391]

Life keeps getting worse as the years go on, it's part of the big plan by the powers that be. So much pressure & stress on people nowadays, no more communal societies that people felt they belonged to. The amount of homicides & suicides has risen greatly since 2000. Van life though hard as it is at least gives people some sense of freedom & control over their lives.

[@alanhat5252]

I wonder if people will finally see sense & vote for a government that makes life easier rather than harder?

[@greatest7391]

@@alanhat5252 Hasn't been one yet

[@kevindarkstar]

You pack people into a small area and like rats they will become aggressive, and we are getting way overcrowded especially in major urban areas

[@jamiefuller5081]

I’ve chosen to live in a caravan luckily I own the land I’m on, fingers crossed I’ve had no problems with council or planners, renting a house makes no sense to me also working to pay a mortgage and putting money in the banks pocket is just not for me, I’m out off the system and that’s where I am happy.

[@screambluemurder101]

SMASH THE SYSTEM!

[@rubblestacker]

Ur lucky to own land , good luck with it all )

[@PabloDon27]

Fair of the play !

[@jamiefuller5081]

@@rubblestacker there was no luck involved in the acquiring the the land just lots off hard work and stress, I thought to myself do I really want to put all my money into a house then have to pay for it every month no thanks purchased the land payed for no loans etc, so I’m now saving money every month it’s actually making me money, you can’t compare this life to a house dwellers 👌

[@PeterBorenius]

@@jamiefuller5081 you've found a way that drives the system mad, not you - nice one Cyril ;-)

[@donnablackman3954]

Put up more disignated sites for caravans ❤ that will help the housing crisis ❤

[@DDrew67]

Wow the mighty empire treats its subjects with such kindness and care...the sun has set and those feet never touched it's shores

[@mielerodriguez5678]

What empire? That went along time ago. Also that empire has always been the enemy of the people but I get the feeling the relics of said empire will be getting a rude awakening in the future.

[@wingaard]

@@mielerodriguez5678 He's not talking about the Spanish Empire !!

[@willpolr]

@@wingaard pretty sure he is aware of that?

[@jonbell3020]

Luke, I am your father.

[@DDrew67]

Can't believe I said that...wow

[@m1pete]

I think old Cameron has been taken for a ride by his Thailand wife, she got him to sell his 6-bedroom house, then moved back to Thailand with the money, remember, they have no conscience.

[@alanhat5252]

who is "they"?

[@humandisorder3962]

​@@alanhat5252Invisible univicted unrich people from government.

[@terrijones1167]

​@@alanhat5252they are the Thai wives.

[@VinnyCB2112]

But, Thailand wives do not come from Taiwan !.

[@jednmorf]

Councils need to put in Aires like every other 21st century European country has. About time we got organised,force change,'build back better' b4 the door shuts.

[@willpolr]

Yeah but aires aren’t full of people living full times in vans and not moving. Which is what the vast majority of uk van dwellers do in my experience. 4 years in a van opened my eyes to all sorts of things, and a lot of it was negative regarding van dwellers.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@willpolrthere are places (like Bristol) where many vandwellers don't move but in most places vandwellers move at least monthly & usually daily. For most vandwellers finding water & toilets is difficult &, for some, once they've found them are reluctant to stray from them. A network of aires is one solution to this. I lived in Bristol for a while & found no water other than bottled water from supermarkets, toilets were locked at night & had no facility for emptying a tank.

[@willpolr]

@@alanhat5252 have you measured how often they move then? No you haven’t. A lot of vans move for the day and return to the same spot at night. Finding toilets is difficult? Have you heard of supermarkets and petrol stations? It’s not even vaguely difficult. Finding water is actually easy if you use your brain. At a push you can also get water from a supermarket. And don’t say it’s expensive, that’s nothing to do with it. Why should you have facilities for emptying your tanks? You’re not on a campsite. Honestly I think a lot of van dwellers are entitled AF. Why should anyone provide facilities for vans if the vans aren’t paying? You can’t have it all.

[@willpolr]

@@alanhat5252 if you go to a campsite you can pay to empty your tank without staying at the campsite. No campsites around Bristol? Again you want it all but don’t want to make the effort or pay. Hmmm doesn’t seem very reasonable to me.

[@simonmclean09]

I live in a flat in central London that costs me a fortune each month, currently converting a van at the minute as I’ve lived out of one whilst in Oz. These people are wealthier than some others as they have a community spirit, in London you barely know who your neighbours are and pay a fortune for it. Community and freedom is what life is all about, just a shame the old scroungers in the sheltered housing don’t see it the same way

[@willpolr]

Community. There is no community of people living in vans. Is there a community of people living in houses? No they just live in houses. As for freedom, I wish you luck with that in this country. There isn’t much freedom living in a van in the uk.

[@thepaulclayton]

I can see where the meanwhile sites come in handy, people who work full time can afford this and the security it entails, and hopefully not music blasting until 4am, however, there should be water and electric supply and shower facilities thrown in. Like the gent said 'the land is owned by the council' and costs peanuts to run. So meet everyone halfway?

[@sarahwarden5574]

Make it too comfortable and at £25 a week they won't be able to keep up with demand. In direct competition with market forces. No Council Tax on these sites, the will to create alternatives is not there. They like the system and will not change it. What they will change is Parking restrictions, no overnight parking.

[@brianpaige4884]

Yep I'm 70... Worked all my life...I now live in a old caravan towed by my old car..it's definitely challenging but I can't afford to live in a house..my problem is having somewhere permanent to stay without paying silly money....that's nearly just as much as paying rent

[@Lanzy4lee]

I do part-time van life not full time but sone van dwelling people in here need to understand the difference between camping and parking like all done in mainland Europe. Parking a legal vehicle is fine but as soon a single chair is out out it's camping. The clio with the lady using all the grass to put work benches out etc this is what will impose more restrictions on the people parking respectfully.

[@willpolr]

Yep that’s part of the issue. I did 4 years and did my absolute best not to take the piss. Plenty of van folk are absolute arseholes who take the piss and force negative change.

[@barrylowther8728]

According to the Oxford dictionary camping is to erect a prefabricated structure like a tent. Parking is to stop a vehicle in an area designated for that purpose.

[@willpolr]

@@barrylowther8728 amazing. That settles it then 🤣

[@alanhat5252]

If you listened to the segment with people complaining about her not one mentioned her using the grass, they all complained about her van. The woman with the van will almost certainly have driven it away as soon as she could

[@alanhat5252]

​@@willpolrdid you ever look for reasons? There are quite a few reasons & they are often reactions to things that have happened to them or the circumstances they're in.

[@craigmelvin5206]

fairplay to them - rip off rents and paying other peoples mortgage's - just madness

[@shnboardman1]

We moved across the country to an area where house prices are cheaper, you do what you have to. Some people the nk they are entitled and have to stay where they want to

[@tomjones8715]

Your comment just shows how silly you are! Why do you think rents are so high? Do you actually vote Tory 🤦‍♀️

[@shnboardman1]

@@tomjones8715 What has who I voted for got anything to do with it? I will not lower myself to insults like you do. Enjoy your day

[@tomjones8715]

@@shnboardman1 has everything to the Tory’s are conning you over rents. Maybe you should read section 24 of the finance act 2015. Then you’ll think I like that it’s anti landlord. But guess what… It’s doesn’t apply to the Tory’s friends! Maybe you’ll then understand what’s going on!! And the comment was aimed at the author not you

[@alanhat5252]

​@@shnboardman1the Government sets the environment which controls rents, of course your vote influences that!

[@helendancelot]

Don't know if they are still there but maybe they could do a tea party for locals to open up conversation

[@Martin-oz6lr]

Filmed just two years ago? Feels more like it was filmed in the 70's.

[@lesleyhubble2976]

It’s the way they have filmed it, but also there was poverty in the 70s but you could at least get a council place even if it was a slum, now days they are a prized possession. It’s sad we are going backwards

[@helendancelot]

People living in sheltered housing pissed of by the chatter of people who are not housed. They live in a city! and seem to have a la K of empathy

[@not_ever]

Imagine being worried about people drying laundry in a park. What an airhead

[@sidjames3703]

Music at 4am is a bit out of order

[@alanhat5252]

​@@sidjames3703it's 5am here & they've just driven away.

[@mapleleafer74]

Keep vannin' people!

[@user-yv1od6ho7t]

£260 for Four tyres, they should have gone to a used tyre place, more like 120 quid, the council woman reminds me of the commissars in east germany who spied on and enforced rules on the local community. Some Middle class people are now poor too.

[@erdemir5641]

Ha I like the last line at the ending

[@user-ji4zj5ur3t]

This is England! It's sad to see people like this working and can't afford rent, bills etc. I was the same 30 years ago until I decided to leave England for Sicily.

[@royweblin9561]

It’s horrible to be old in the uk now It’s horrible to be poor

[@CoralHullforJesusChrist]

“For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.” [2 Corinthians 4:16]

[@themegracemachine4771]

Well done good film

[@rogerfrancis65]

Parking up in large groups is never a good plan, its always better to find a few spots and move around every day or 2.

[@PeterBorenius]

Strength in numbers too though. Specially if well organised and not infiltrated....

[@kevinmulligan9055]

Can't agree with you there. I take trips in a campervan and I wild camp, and I almost always search out places where others are parked it gives a more secure feeling. If you did this you would feel the same. Like minded people like being around like minded people.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@kevinmulligan9055I prefer being on my own, different people prefer different things.

[@kevindarkstar]

9:12 this whole idea that so called 'road tax' has anything to do with the actual road is a bit out of date, it's just another way of extracting money from your pocket 💸

[@user-yx9fb7bb5w]

Cameron is more happy then any other 80 years old. He has a very nice camper van.

[@rustynuts4426]

Houses are just a concept, live how you want to live. The Banks wony like it but thats just tough

[@tochriss]

So few people understand that the root of so many of our problems is our system of money and it's loss of purchasing power. BY DESIGN. Make the effort to find out about it.

[@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE]

Just land on a south coast beach. You will immediately be given free board and lodging. Spending money as well.

[@PeterBorenius]

@Graham Moore no, in a hotel.

[@willpolr]

Not around here you won’t. You’ll be moved on and served. South coast.

[@Cellem17]

But they wont come clean your house, serve you coffee at the coffee shop, look after your your elderly patents, sweep the street, or clean your house.

[@willpolr]

@@Cellem17 clean your house? You have servants?

[@Cellem17]

? @@willpolr

[@davidadams3408]

The growing number of vans in Bristol is quickly becoming a blight on the city. Now I don't actually blame the van dwellers, the council has to do more for the people of Bristol who can't afford the growing rents and mortgages

[@alanhat5252]

please edit that, I can't see what you're trying to say.

[@davidadams3408]

@@alanhat5252 sorted, you're right I should've proof read 👍

[@toppertruthio]

Who cares? Bristol a shithole anyway to be fair

[@thehealthjunkie8996]

why do they say (the media) it endangers their wellbeing or health for people over 55yrs. I totally disagree with that. Of course they'd say that.

[@davidshelley6598]

Well done.

[@tonygunn6889]

Cost of rent low pay work caravan /camper van

[@jasonannesley5889]

You get a high percentage of van dwellers who are peaceful & respect the environment and their neighbours whilst parked up. Then you get a small percentage who kill their welcome by making a mess and noise drawing attention to themselves and spoil it for the whole community.

[@willpolr]

You get the same percentages as house dwellers. What you live in has bugger all to do with who you are.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@willpolrtrue but there's nuances, for instance it's easier to hide unpleasant behaviours in a house. Also, people pushed out of society often end up out of housing too, some take the step from there into vans. (Only one in the film was there through direct & current choice). The reasons for being pushed out of society are widely variable but some can be mental health issues, some of which manifest in odd behaviours. For 14 years we've had a government that refuses to deal with subtleties & refuses to deal with the roots of problems.

[@willpolr]

@@alanhat5252 absolutely nothing to do with van dwellers taking the piss though. I’m sorry but in my experience the vast majority of people living in vans have very nice vans that cost a fair sum of money and are trying to live outside society in some way whilst living smack bang in the middle of society! Nuances you say? More like word play. Homelessness and van dwelling are not the same thing. And to labour the “aires” point. Aires were 100% not conceived for people living in vehicles, so it’s not relevant. Aires are for holiday makers on long journeys. Out of towns on holiday routes. You don’t see aires in towns. They have campsites.

[@willpolr]

@@alanhat5252 also not sure why you’re telling me about mental health issues. Are you a doctor as well? Again I speak from direct personal experience. There is a massive difference between “van life” type people and homeless people who are homeless for a reason. Please don’t lecture me on politics.

[@MartinMorgan-xc2dw]

i live just down the road to where this was filmed. councils gona shift every1 i think

[@Fatpig-fq3vb]

Listen to the oh so important house dwellers "they chat they wash laundry and music " sigh sigh again

[@PenelopetheTruck]

Not a very good documentary to be honest. The majority of those interviewed chose to change their previous way of life and sold up to move into their vehicle. The couple who state that they are desperate to save money but then shop in Waitrose, confuses me! We live in a converted truck and work full time and are doing so because it’s an easier way to save money fast to buy land, it’s our choice to do so but it’s not a forever choice. I feel like the production team have missed out the real people that live in vehicles not through choice as they are the ones that should have been interviewed for this production.

[@daleadelic]

its a decent simple documentary showing just 3 peoples lives in a short time so maybe a bit unfair to diss it mate. but yeah i found it crazy to be going to waitrose and living in a van saving up thousands. slightly different class of people to me i think. ive never had much money ever and from a poor family so ive always wanted a van or truck conversion but cant even afford that. hopefully one day i can have that dream and hopefully i dream of finding a nice community of people in a sunnier place and try and make a living indipendantly somehow. all the best in your future

[@mikehurley5052]

People moaning about vans blocking the view, when you buy a house you dont buy the view.

[@sarahwarden5574]

I would love to live in a medium wheel base van and travel (l2 h2) but there would not be enough room for all my prep supplies or clothes. I've got too used to buying in bulk. I would also have to give up my Council flat. At 63, with health challenges, I don't know what to do for the best.

[@uptowndisco2]

keep your flat , get a van only use it for getaway days when you feel able .

[@melaniemonk9151]

Keep your flat

im a landlord if rents are cheap your doing a good service.but theres too many fat cat landlords who drive teslas

[@danhurley6152]

the council have proposed cheering old garage blocks in Hartcliffe I think the idea was to offer the places to these kind of "van dwellers" the community got wind of the council making a Travelers site in their midst and it didn't go down well at all !! tbh these people are pretty much like half the people of hartcliffe that is another misunderstood and judged community

[@matthewkeating6970]

Yea I live in my van usa cause I'm poor if I was rich I would just buy or fix up a nicer van. But I do have a personal rule if I fall asleep at night at a spot I wake up at 5am repark somewhere else and if ieant to nap out there some i do. But it makes it look less like I'm making that one spot mine.

[@Jason-cj3ih]

How does one register ones vehicle without an address ?

[@uptowndisco2]

They use a willing friend or family's address

[@julietebbs4432]

You can have a post office address eg postcode thingy

[@donraggo77]

what the hell is going on with the dodgy frame loss ??

[@harryjames7675]

Long live all vehicle dwellers (%

[@alanhat5252]

it's a fine sentiment but reality shows us the life expectancy is much lower.

[@IronMountainx]

Unable to watch due to stupid frame jumping of the video. Who's idea was it to do this......

[@PeterBorenius]

BBC

[@donniet685]

I appear to be missing some frames.

[@uptowndisco2]

not just you , I thought my computer was running slow lol

[@keithgrainger8797]

How do you tick all the boxes to stay leagal without an address?

[@anthonydowling3356]

You use a relatives address Soft lad .

[@keithgrainger8797]

@anthonydowling3356 so you are still having to be part of the system... relying on someone else.

[@anthonydowling3356]

@@keithgrainger8797The only way you can get out of the system is to leave this planet .Anytime you get very sick you depend on a Hospital .Vans have to be taxed and insured and tested .I am not a van dweller myself but would like to be for half the year and stay somewhere warm if i had the money .

[@keithgrainger8797]

@anthonydowling3356 I've done it for a few years. Part time ATM. It's getting harder and harder . No ones free we are all slaves to something.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@keithgrainger8797you're getting caught up in Thatcher's "there is no such thing as society" nonsense, we are wired as herd animals, we instinctively rely on other people. Corollary to that, the State is dependent on us to maintain its power trips.

[@tonygunn6889]

Issue of. Working provert. Zero hours contract. Gig economy how pay rent plus use food bank

[@MartinMorgan-xc2dw]

shout out to cameron

[@brubeker12]

😅the cost of rents in this country is a national disgrace and nothing no nothing is ever done about it. This is a national crisis which will only get worse in the next few years as we bleed jobs out of the economy due to the advancement of AI.

[@tomjones8715]

Rents are high due to section 24 ffs

[@alanhat5252]

So we need to vote wisely at the General Election, vote for a party that will sort it out. Labour have sorted it out a couple of times but they're not currently in the mood, Conservatives caused the current mess, the next 2 biggest parties are the LibDems & Greens.

[@sbbikes3623]

The style of flickering camera and not having it focused is. Un pleasant to watch ruins the watching of this good vid

[@alanhat5252]

I didn't find that.

[@michaelwyllie7778]

i love this , it is beyond sheep herding?

[@Narrowboat.and.offgrid.living]

Funny how under tory goverment here we are again the modern day peace convoy glorified New age travlers yet again people are put under extream pressure they resort to this way of life and rightly so but I'm sure this goverment will be at it again making this life style very very hard. People must be strong this time !

[@justkidding9751]

Its cheaper to live in a vam or caravan motorhome but the government will raise fuel, road tax and come out with new ways to make it so expensive by the introduction of a living tax, you know this government wants its slice of everything.

[@alanhat5252]

So vote for a better government! There's an election coming up, register to vote now!

[@justkidding9751]

@@alanhat5252 yes I intend too, but my vote won't matter because unfortunately labour will get in and they will be worse than the shower we've got in. This country is fucked, the damage has been done, no government could right what's gone on, even if they were in for 10 years.

[@worndisk320]

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[@worndisk320]

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[@alingard1]

Omg those women moaners. I used to live around Albany green and there were always a dozen or so vans. To be it brightened the area, they were never any trouble. But there was a 'group' that called themselves Montpellier action group. They went round putting stickers and notice saying don't park here. 95% of us didn't mind at all. But u can't please all .....

[@shnboardman1]

Feel sorry for the people that own their property and have to look at some of those terrible looking monstrosities all day long. Surely they can see that, probably not as they only care about themselves

[@brubeker12]

The housing crisis can be resolved their is NO will by the current government to do so. My relatives lived in a post war war fab for 30 years they were the answer. I live 2 miles from a timber frame company that can build a house in 2 days have erected and liveable in 10 days why is this not happening, answer Tory government, The land is there . And why no 3 story apartments another solution answer a Tory government.

[@shnboardman1]

@@brubeker12 I get what you are saying and you are correct but do you really think any other group in power will sort it out. How many times have you voted and when has your life ever got better. Voting would be banned if it worked

[@alanhat5252]

​@@shnboardman1thank you for repeating Tory propaganda though I'm not sure why we needed it. In reality _any_ other government will improve the situation & I believe the Greens will come closest to actually fixing it.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@shnboardman1the 1997 Government improved almost everybody's living standards & those whose lives didn't improve were already so rich nobody needs to worry about them.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@shnboardman1don't forget that for the last 45 years we've only had one break from Tory governments.

[@erdemir5641]

LOL his 40 year old thai totty used covid as an excuse not to come back to an 80 year old in a van

[@TheBillybiker1]

She's Chinese.

[@uptowndisco2]

no fool like an old fool , so the saying goes , looks like it is true 🤣

[@VinnyCB2112]

Taiwan actually.

[@OhYeah32]

How many Van Dwellers are Bristolians ? Since our Woke Council made us a City of Sanctuary dossers and graffiti artists have flocked to the City from elsewhere.

[@worldmusictheory]

completely agree. i’m a born and bred bristolian and want nothing more than to live in the city where I grew up and to be around family but the cost of living in the city has skyrocketed for the exact reasons you mentioned above. one of my options is to renovate and live in a van. it’s made worse by all the students coming here and staying after university. the council should prioritise the needs of Bristolians. i’m sure there are many bristolians who are living in vans, not because they want to, but because it is the only way to stay in the city that they love. The rest are just cultural vipers who have turned the city into a woke, artistic shithole.

[@harryjames7675]

Why the feck can't people live where they choose? Bristolian? Get a life

[@alanhat5252]

For centuries Bristol was one of the most important ports in England, throughout that time its citizens came from the whole world & that glorious tradition hasn't been completely lost to lame-arsed isolationists.

[@OhYeah32]

@@alanhat5252 whose talking about Centuries ago lol. The problems are now. If people want to live off grid fair enough but in Bristol they dump their rubbish in our parks and open spaces. Some graffiti the surrounding areas. Nothing to do with being a isolationists wake up

[@hmmm2564]

Some of these people seem like addicts

[@dantheman81811]

Go and live in a shared house for 600 all inclusive of bills. Easy in Bristol and don't tell me it's not. They don't want to because they don't want to be part of the system. Dropouts.

[@shaxop-eaamusicnetworks463]

The gov provided funds to provide safe Stopping Places throughout the UK in each County Council Direct provided for with Funding Provided Specifically for the purpose of providing Safe Stopping Places throughout the UK for the Travelling Folk in the UK but wo far None have been created and no funding supplied Check it out . Travellers Safe Stopping Places Funding UK

[@mandystuart4909]

Lost sympathy at "buy our meat at waitrose"

[@alanhat5252]

And during that time how many Councils declared bankruptcy? It seems like one a month with occasional flurries of several at once.

[@uptowndisco2]

@@mandystuart4909 I find you get good quality fresh meat at Lidl and Aldi , on the other hand I have seen a lot of big named supermarkets selling much lower quality .